The Rich Redmond Show

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the forest, the fruit is hanging

and these are my friends. It's a
beautiful fraternity sorority,

we always get to kibitz we go
into a bar drummers. We're going

to close the place down talking
about gear widgets, or favorite

drummers. And usually I have my
co hosts here co producer Jim

McCarthy, Jim McCarthy voice
overs.com. Jim is on some sort

of a sojourn on the east coast.
But that just means I get this

man all to myself, and a very
special guest today. Today's

guest originally from Long
Island, New York, and along with

Brian Setzer and Lee rocker
formed the iconic band the stray

cats and spearheaded the Neo
rockabilly movement of the early

1980s. Since then, cementing
himself as rock and roll

royalty. I'm talking about our
new friends slim, Jim, Phantom.

What's up, Jim? Hey, rich, you
know how to those levels? Right,

left, right, right, left, right,
left level 100 times a hotel

room, and everything's cool.
Yeah, man. Well, I you know,

this has been a long time in the
making. It's up. There's a

session drummer here in
Nashville taught me this phrase,

Chad promo, this phrase called
herding cats. And you run get

getting a podcast together and
keeping your guests scheduled.

It is like herding cats. Because
everybody's so busy. You know?

It's a really it's a good man. I
think there's a lot of us, but

it's at the same time. It's a
rare few good drummers, you

know, and yeah, good drummer, I
think and rock and roll. Country

music, jazz swing America. Do
you have a good drummer?

Anything else is possible?
Absolutely. And the bad drummer

can take a great band and just
anchor it sinking and go any

further. Unless you have a good
drummer. That's the only thing

and that's why. That's why
everyone's busy. Yeah, and there

was no and your band the stray
cats. There was no hiding. There

was only three of you. There was
no computers, there was no

tricks. It was like you count
the song off. And there's three

guys I gotta make an app.
Exactly. There was no rock time

to hide behind. Yeah. Now you
know, you've played on of

course, other projects. Of
course, we're going to talk

about the stray cats delineates
the history, all that kind of

stuff. Because aren't you guys
celebrating? 45 years? Yes, we

did. 40

we formed the 1979

on Long Island and played the
CBGBs Max's Kansas City,

although well known, like New
York City joins, we were our

towns like 45 minutes outside on
the train line. So the Jones

Beach would be the famous place
anyone heard of by us.

And we really worked at it, to
be honest with you, we were by

the time that we were overnight
sensations ever we had played

you know, 200 gigs, four sets a
night, five nights a week kind

of thing for for for a couple of
years. And

we we just loved it we we found
rockabilly music. And we all

played

red and wrote music took lessons
I just studied from an old jazz

got a mousy, Alexander Yes,
that's heavy man. Wow. Dinah

Washington and he was like, and
he was in our neighborhood. And

he really was he had a goatee
and

you know, Ben Ray and he said
Daddy oh and Cat Cat man. Yeah.

You know, and he gave lessons
and he

we went through title needing
you know, Jim cheap and all the

books. And you know, I love that
you did the TED read book

especially the page 38 But but
but but but but but, but it's

such a famous PAGE PAGE 38 And I
still use it to this day to get

my students you know, reading
exactly, and the you know, the

few back pages where it's just a
where where he has accent

triplets on the different ones
and the different it's still I

mean, there's 100 of them. I can

honestly say I use about seven
of them all the time you know?

It's you know, it still stays in
my head. If I'm trying some fill

on stage sometimes. I don't know
like if a specific line but the

tape read the cover and the pops
into my head. Yeah, I can all

the sudden see and hear the one
triplet two triplet thinking

about thinking oh, that's a good
Phil buppa buppa buppa buppa

buppa have the 10 reflections in
my head. But um, so so we all

took lessons and we were on

We were the three guys in school
that

played. And if there was a keg
party or someone's parents were

out of town if there was a wreck
dance or like we were the ones I

played at it

and lead partisan probably 70 or
79. We, me I know for a fact.

Just trying to find out the same
as us all good. Who does?

Beatles like who did the Rolling
Stones again? You like

invariably you wind up on Carl
Perkins, Eddie Cochran, Chuck

Berry, Little Richard Johnny
Burnett, that Jerry Lee Lewis

and then the Gene Vincent. And
then ultimately I found the the

sun recordings of Elvis Presley.

The world stopped spinning for a
billionth of a second and I knew

exactly what to do. And I had
long hair, I had flares. I had

Adidas had a tennis shirt. And I
was going to be a drummer one

way or another. I didn't know
how or wait or what, but, but

that day, I heard Elvis Presley
I saw the photographs of the

because we knew Elvis Presley,
right? Everyone did we didn't

know well.

You're against it. But when I
found out what the beginning

was,

through Beatles and stones and
the rest, I I just changed my

life. I went into the city,
which was that 10 train stops, I

cut all my hair off and walked
across the street.

Detroit it in my

my Adidas for some blue suede
shoes.

I traded in my flares.

Down the street a bit further.
For some Ricky Ricardo pants, we

would call him and then I had no
tennis shirt, you know, with an

alligator on I left that behind
that I got a bowling shirt. And

I just went home. And that was
my life. No matter what I was

going to do. I was going to play
the drums and look that way

while I went to school worked at
the liquor store, like whatever

I was doing. And we had the
other two had the same

experience. And we all knew each
other and like Holy mackerel,

did you I didn't know that
existed either. And we just did

it. And as we do and while we
could play like maybe once a

month at some of these famous
rock clubs. We weren't

interested in that as much as we
were like, every night we got to

play four sets and like this
little buddy holly song we found

is the new Eddie Cochran had two
albums. And we just lived it to

stores and you know, diners and
we wound up making a pretty good

living from it when we were very
young. Yeah. By finding old man

bars, just places that might
have had a pool table that we,

you know, moved out of the way
because they the TRad rock

clubs, and then the clubs in the
city. We were a little bit even

too weird for it. They knew punk
rock, they knew New Wave, they

knew disco. They knew the blues,
they knew.

Dixie Fried Rock, I mean, they
like knew that kinds of what we

were doing was even that was the
most American thing. It was very

unheard of. And finally, so we
just found all these places that

would have us play. So we did
this place every Tuesday, this

place every Wednesday up above.
And we made money every night

because we packed out people who
weren't rockabilly, but they

found us. We had a following.
They look like dazed and

confused. You know, like that
exact whatever. 1979 looked

like. Yeah, they were and they
just went everywhere we went we

had a couple 100 people every
night. Okay, here's this 1950s

music and in 1979 You guys are
already, you know, two decades

have gone back and you're
creating a resurgence. Yeah,

because it was right there what
we say now what I say now is you

know, rockabilly is hiding in
plain sight is staring you right

in the face. Do you like the
Beatles? Yes. Well, then you

like Carl Perkins? Do you like
The Rolling Stones? Yes. Well,

then you like Bo Diddley, do you
like Pete Townsend and who are

yes, well, then you like Eddie
Cochran it's like very easily

proven stuff. So you're not
going to trade in your, you

know, Led Zeppelin records, but
I can tell you this for a fact

Jimmy Page and Robert Plant they
love Carl Perkins, you know, you

know, that's where it comes
from. And then you factor the

blues in the original blues,
Howlin Wolf and muddy waters and

and, and then go back a little
further to the jump blues. We

had. We found Amos Milburn and
Louis Jordan and the I love

Louis Jordan, man, if our Friday
night fish fry, come on. actly,

right. And you find that and we
found all that at the same time

and we wanted to, you know, you
know, make that combination of

of influences and we and you
were killing it you were you

were getting your 10,000 hours
together, creating your look

creating a following

and, and making some money. So
you didn't have to go get a job.

It's great. Without knowing what
any of it was. That's the beauty

of it. That's where it kind of,
maybe ignorance is bliss. That's

just what you did. I can't say
that we planned it any more than

that and it

was a, you know, a beautiful
thing. It was good that one play

bass one plays

the drums than the other two
much more than me. They're like

virtuoso kind of players in
there. They

they were just good at it ever
since that do you go back

further with Lee you guys were
like do each other at 12 years

old, right? Well, all of us.

We went to the same grammar
school the same everything Lee

and I are in the same class
actually, is two years old and

which now when someone's 80, and
someone 78, it doesn't matter.

But like when you were 14 and
1214 and 16, then it really

matter. And he was a brilliant
is was always a, you know, a

brilliant player. But somehow,
like two years when you're in

junior high or high school seems
like it's bigger to yours

because they weren't in your
class. Yeah, yeah. And I would

put class together and go listen
to, you know, Howlin Wolf

record. And then we we love
Buddy Guy and Jr. Wells and that

kind of stuff. And talk about
how well that blind faith

record, you know, that's a Buddy
Holly song that they would like

Lee and I were in the same
class. So we'd have to wait to a

little bit of school and all of
us left school a little early

till you could find out. You
know, Brian knew us. Oh, yeah,

the guys from the two years
down. You knew my brother. And

yeah, that's awesome. Well, no,
no. So we were all together. But

it got together together and
would have been like, 1979, I

think it would have been, yeah,
the rest was history, man. So

that's what we did our 40th
anniversary was in 19 2019. And

everyone in the industry and
because we made an album in

1980. So the you know, the 40th
anniversary was 2020. Everyone

had an idea. So on without
speaking to each other, and

everyone came back with the same
answer. Well, we didn't form in

1980. Because we don't want
anyone to think still to this

day that we just appeared out of
nowhere. We play 1979 worked

very, very hard. So we insisted
that the 40th anniversary be

2019. And there was a little bit
of like, well, it's a cricket

number 2020 2020. Yeah, it looks
and I agree. But if we had done

that, it never would have
happened. COVID it out. It was

great that you guys did 2018 and
had a beautiful year. Yeah. That

must have been incredible. So
how many dates was that? Was

that a world tour? Yeah, yeah,
that was.

And we had made an album, then.
2018 At the very end, I think

but got released in 2019. That
didn't that did very well. Yeah.

Who had no love, which still
counts? I think you know, oh,

great, incredible.
Congratulations, Bill for speed,

double platinum rock, this town,
voted by the Rock and Roll Hall

of Fame Songs that Shaped Rock
and Roll. I mean, right there.

That's a legacy. You can hang
your hat on all those cool MTV

videos.

And I know there's a story I
know there's like an evolution

of the band. And it's really
interesting how MTV got fed some

of those early videos because
they ended up being promotional

videos for the European market.
Right? Can you tell us about

that? Yeah.

I think MTV was a beautiful

cosmic blank, you know, tapas
was a it still is was at the

time like a beautiful thing. And

for us, we left New York in
1980. June, because we just

wanted to have an adventure. We
got the English newspapers and

kind of nobody knew who we who
they didn't know who know who

our heroes were in a funny way.
We were doing this virgin

Vincent for Johnny Burnett and

already liked it. And I think if
we stayed around in New York, we

would have got a record deal on
that. But we wanted to have an

adventure. We heard that in
England, people

look like this. They dress like
we thought everyone was Ringo.

Everyone was Eddie Cochran
because they knew who he was

there. So we went to England, we
sold everything we owned, and we

bought one of my plane tickets,
and we went to London. That's

incredible. Bunch very brave
man. How old were you at the

time? 19 years old? Yeah. Wow.
We were 19 years old. And then

we get there. And we use that as
a good idea. No, you said it was

a good idea.

You know, clutching does a
magazine article that from from

a year ago that we mean Were you
asleep and where are you guys?

We we we were homeless. We set
the movie theaters a little bit

until that ran out. We hung
around like ghosts and parties

and crashed for a while like a
sitting Nancy kind of house and

you know those types of types of
things.

That's incredible. We really had
three of us and we had

we had knocked on enough doors
and made ourselves known

as much as we could on a very

We miniscule in any town when it
comes down to it. The club's

circuit order is very, very
small even in London or New York

or LA or whatever it is. It's
still same couple 100 people

maybe you

so we had just, I guess, had
some obnoxious charm, you know,

we knocked on a lot of doors
eventually, this would have been

about September, August to
September I think we had gotten

a fourth on the bill that uh,
you know, music pub that had

bands every night anyway, kind
of thing. And we just made

ourselves known and hung around
these places. enough that we

managed to string together five,
seven shows maybe all going on

if four in the afternoon or
seven at night or for Bill like

nothing that was, but we had
made ourselves known enough that

a few of the people that we met
along the way came to the first

few shows with the idea of
maybe, maybe that'll be good,

maybe they'll shut it up and go
home. Maybe they saw maybe what

we're going out anyway, that
night. Let's go to let's stop in

at the Greyhound first and check
out these guys from New York.

And that original gang of people
included Lammi

a Joe Strummer, Krishna, hi.

Glen Matlock from the sacred
pistols so there was the like a

core of hipsters that we had met
at parties and you know, but no

one waves we will just use it
noxious guys.

Well, guys got a cool suit. But
it's kind of dirty, almost, you

know, like he's been sleeping.
We have been.

So we had these. So immediately,
that's when we were in control

of our own destiny was at Go and
play for wherever it was on the

planet, or 20 minutes. No
problem. Because we had done a

year of in the clubs for sets
and five nights a week in New

York, you know, so we were in
control of and then yeah, I

don't think anyone ever seen
anything like it was standing

up, playing the drums, spinning
the bass around, he tossed the

guitar 10 feet over his head and
grabbed it in the middle of his

solo and doesn't miss to be
crazy, you know, the stray cats.

And so the next time that she hi
and gave an interview, or Glen

Matlock, from the Sex Pistols or
Joe Stover gave an interview

that week because everyone kept
those music papers going. They

said, Well, what do you been
doing last week, Joe? Well, I

saw this band from New York and
they were so there was a buzz

and now there are tastemakers
that were vouching for you

groundswell. And that led to
Chrissy Hein five days later, a

week later brought Ray Davies
now when he saw it, he mentioned

it Melody Maker. And then by the
end of the couple of maybe,

maybe 10 shows we did over two
weeks, the Rolling Stones came

because they had heard about it.

They were all at a table all
together from rail, right front

row is that the story club and
some club have that's happened

since they all go to something
that's not their thing.

The five guys could agree on
something. And that's when it

took it out of the out of the
music papers into the national

papers like why those things
unknown guys who don't even guys

were doing it yourself. It was
not like you hired a an

expensive publicist. No, no, we

we had no one I'm I'm not
against expensive publicity.

Yeah, no, but I mean, jeez,
that's incredible. So then it

then then it happened very
quickly. We, we, we had a lot of

offers to do record contracts.
And the, the right company came,

which was ours to records at the
time. And someone else who would

come in to all the shows was
going to Dave Edmonds, who were

a fan of his guitar players,
wicked artist. And he, he said

he would produce that the same
night that the record company

got the one what so it all kind
of was, it was, it was a needle

threading thing that was had to
be, and we wound up making the

record with Edmonds and then
having it out by Christmas,

which is when the charts froze,
like, as right before the

charts, we had gotten to the top
10 so it stays in the top 10 for

like, three weeks. So you're and
and we just did what we knew how

to do. We just went on the road.
And during that time, we made a

couple of videos. Because the
the reasoning behind the video

was it was all for Europe
because we signed a record

contract out of England, even
though we were Americans. It was

an English record contract. So
we didn't have North America.

It's called X North America, not
x like we were from there. Extra

excluding Yes, it's too big of a
gamble for record companies. Now

I get it completely to try to
break a band, you know, you're

gonna have to had a hit in
England or

It is still America is a
different, different beast

universe for all that so big.
You can't drive from LA to

Chicago and play a gig that
night in England, you can drive

to London to Scotland and play a
gig that night.

So we had made a few

videos, and I got to Julian
temple did that was very well

known film director. And we made
them because if you're on tour

in England, they could play it
on the Saturday afternoon kids

show in France. Or if you were
in France on tour, they could

play it on the you know, the
solid gold, Sweden or whatever

kind of you could be in two
places at once, basically, with

the video. So and was another
thing that we had very good

people around us, we had certain
amount of input, but who could

organize video

to be you know, and and then
what, like,

you know, like a few other
things. We got it. And we were

kind of natural at it. So when
MTV

came about a year or so later, I
think it was in 81. You leave it

on MTV needed content.

Towards the end of MTV, or
during the middle of you, people

were making very expensive clips
and trying to get them on. And I

do think at at the beginning of
MTV, they were happy to to have

content. Oh my god, I did a
Video Killed the Radio Star.

They're like, how are we going
to do this for 24 hours? That's

exactly right. So they found
ours And in, in the USA, that

created a big groundswell. And
we were doing very well at

import radio, without even
knowing it. Because now he got

played one time and you know,
Saskatoon, you somehow know

about it right? Then we were
kind of popular in regions that

we wouldn't really know about.
So it was very popular in in LA,

and we came through LA to gone
all the way to Japan, I believe.

Australia, not really knowing
that MTV had this big

groundswell and then MTV had
affected radio and when in the

reverse that so important radio
shows were really playing the

the the singles so we stopped in
LA to kind of have one

night and someone asked us to
play at the Roxy we said sure

that famous but so that turned
in to one night tonight, we

wanted to do like four or five
nights with a with a matinee

show and an evening show where
for such a brief period of time,

and that's what kind of launched
MTV was very very helpful with

that along with import radio,
and I played all those places on

the strip except for the Roxy
have never stepped foot in the

Roxy man I got it. I gotta make
it happen. Switchblade House of

Blues whiskey Viper Room. Yeah,
we did have with the house blues

man was a big night when we sold
that sucker out and then they

knocked it down. Now it's a high
rise condo. Yeah, kind of sad.

Totally. But what I understand
the Viper that strip right there

at a liquor store and everything
has been sold.

Yes, that's the that's, that's
the news on the street. But it's

still. As of right now. It's
operating? Yes. I think there's

a lot of permits, and you know,
clearing and still a lot of

stuff to do always up there. So
I do know what's still open now.

Well, hopefully the whiskey and
the rainbow will know will never

go away. No.

I don't think so. I know, the
whiskey is like,

like very strategic. It's got
the signage, and it's very

valuable. Yes, location. And
it's still great people. It's

the same family since
Garrison's, the 60s, and we're

very old. They're very friendly
with them for for all this time.

And and,

and they're the same family that
owns the rainbow as it will be

there. Forever. It's a good, you
know, good, strong family vibe.

And the Roxy is in good hands,
too. That's part the original

family and they are partnered
with golden voice. So that's a

secure myth there. And the
troubadour. Hopefully, that

never goes away. You know? I
don't think I

don't know. I've done my bit to
keep it open. Yeah, yeah, for

sure. So MTV acts as a massive
catalyst for you guys. And then

you're off to the races and then
you go like way when America

starts to pop, are you guys
immediately doing headline

shows? Are you opening up for
packages or

in the states we?

We mainly

did

well, we made it into headline
but we started out in clubs, and

it was the you know, the type of
the typing. type of gigs like

would have been like say the
Roxy or the whiskey you go

everywhere and like across the
states, the places that you got

to, you got to play bow guards.

You got to play the chants in
Poughkeepsie, you got to play

Lost Horizon. It's here.

Here's where do you play in
Saskatoon and I've actually

played

it, it was that circuit of the
gotta play while you're in there

in that town rock circuit. And
and it was beautiful because we

probably could have done maybe
the one larger the first time

around but we didn't because we
were committed to it. So every

one of those gigs became the
like, you had to be there. It

have a legendary thing if you
were there kind of thing. And I

mean, you know how it works like
everyone who said that they were

there, they would have been a
5000 seater. Not everyone could

see the Beatles at Cavern Club
is this big. So

we're the ones who really were
there.

And we did that we did. We did
an opening run with the Rolling

Stones and that but that was
before our album had come out.

They brought us over in 1981
because they liked us and it was

just something wacky to do. And
we said yeah.

So we got ourselves to the
states. And we opened some shows

for them. And it was good
because they played every other

day or every couple of days it
wasn't that hard of a schedule

that like what we were used to
so but on the plane also didn't

pay us anything. So on the days
off we filled in, in these now

very legendary shows, like we
played King Tut's in Chicago or,

you know, someplace in St.
Louis, someplace in Minneapolis

that was a tiny like a, like a
Viper Room kind of thing. Just

to like, get the gasoline or in
the hotel to the next rolling so

I get it. So the stones were
they knew their power. They were

they didn't pay you guys.
They're like, Hey, this is

massive marketing for you guys.
Just say no, no, no, no, that's

okay. Now at this particular
time, you're opening for the

stones. I mean, they see you
guys are the thing is, is this

is all happening. Did you have
management? Are you self

managing, we were pretty much
taking care of ourselves. Wow,

you never really had the right
person at that time. And we were

kind of, we had a couple of
people who on a crew helping us

and we were just, you know,
taking advice a little bit and

just kind of doing it they will
I don't remember, when I wish

back then we had had some new
management company, whatever

life would have been different.
But now it makes for a good

story that we kind of did it
ourselves. And it's a great

story. So who was the first
manager that came along?

We had a few people over the
years really.

There's been once of the last 20
years. But like scarily back,

then we we beat ourselves into
the like the the really the mid

part of the 80s. Really we just
we had some lawyers opening and

you know, accountant that's
passed on that we really liked

him and he was helping us. But

it was really I would love to
say that was di we saved the

commission or we were like
smart, Johnny Ramone style or

something? No, it wasn't any of
that. It was just, I don't know,

if we got it together. We
somehow got there and did all

the stuff but

I can't say it was a plan or
Yeah. Where are you ready? Well,

I worked all right. And I tell
her all my people I say look at

you'll know when you need a
manager, it's become when your

life is unmanageable, you know?

So and you've always I mean, so
meteoric success. We've been

doing it for 45 years, you guys
are all still friendly. 2019 and

the big tour and you've always
had all these amazing side

projects, Phantom rocker and
slick. You had your dead men

walking, you got the cheap day
two, you gotta head cat, you got

the jack, TARS looks like you
may be started a new rockabilly

band with Chris Chaney, and
Jimmy Barnes. That's really so

many hours in the day, man, how
you doing all this?

A lot of it has to do with

what keeps the stray cats good
at this point is that we don't

do it all the time. Yeah, it's
been a few times where there's

been like, longer kind of gaps.
And I know

you got to stay in Beverly Hills
somehow, you know, yeah.

I'm very grateful that like,
along the way, of, of all of

this, these are who my friends
are, like, Lammi. I met 1980 He

was one of the original people
at the original shows that we

did. And we just stayed in
touch, literally 45 years until

he kicked the bucket a few years
ago, we as we sat with him, you

know, and that was one that we
were just

really pals and and he wanted to
do rockabilly music. He couldn't

really in his band, and mighty
moto had been and have an

opportunity to say do three call
Perkins songs on an album and to

Buddy Holly ballads it just you
know. So that's he wanted to do

that and like, Well, okay, I can
organize that for me, you know,

so we did that together.

And kind of a similar thing with
Harry Dean.

The cheat

Days Harry Dean Stanton was a
maybe the best character actor

ever he was oh my god, alien
dude, that what he did an alien

I will take to the grave and
what a great performance. And he

was one of the first people that
was at the Roxy for somebody who

played in 1981. And he's another
one we just became friendly and

I stayed in touch with them. And
he was my friend while I went to

his house, more days than not,
and in the crossword puzzle and

watch TV and that kind of stuff.
And he was always a great player

and singer Cool Hand Luke, he
plays the guitar in that and

he's like, that's something he
he always did. And cheap dates

was a result of doing some gigs.
Really round town. You know how

we wanted to play. And we got
our little gang together,

including Jeff Baxter from the
doobies. Who's my neighbor, I

saw else we would play the tin
machine. Iggy Pop, Jamie James,

I can fall within two seconds.
Dammit.

Jim is walking to adjust
something in his home office.

Like the sun is setting there or
something. It's like the Yeah,

it's like 333 30 in LA.

And it's been raining for like,
over a week. And this is with

the first nice day there's a lot
of cleanup going on. Yeah, you

guys got like, a year's worth of
rain in one day or something?

Oh, yeah, our street was
underwater was the kind of in

the news and all that the world.

But the whole neighborhood
really, so. So a lot of the

things I did because I mean, you
all know this is a drummer,

it's, for me being a stylized
drummer. Like you kind of have

to do things that are around
what you can do in a funny way.

Right. And like, I don't know if
I could go

join a you know, real hard rock
band or being

you know, it's a tribute
Giffords, you know, Rush is

something that we love every
drummer, right. But we know our

limitations at the same time.
And everything I've done is kind

of been around what, what I can
do my you know, for swings a

little bit, and it rocks a
little bit, you know, one of the

then I'm the guy that for it,
and we've just met the right

people who who are friends who
want to do that kind of thing

that may be in their their like
regular job. That's not coming.

They're like Christianity from
living in and Barnsey

who I met in 1981. The first on
the show, Catherine, Australia,

Barnes he and I are pals. And he
said some new rockabilly record.

Yeah, of course, we talked about
it for 40 years, and Chris

Chaney became my friend, because
my son who's 33 years old, he

liked the band living in so I
was able to take with his

friends to go see them at some
gig in LA that can handle and I

met Chris, and that's where the,
the couple of years back then

was, you know, the same kind of
thing. Chris is younger than me

now we're all on our 50s You
know, plus, so it doesn't matter

so much.

And the same with

and so, so bonsey, new Cheney
from Australia altogether, and

they were friendly with Jools
Holland, who has been my friend

since the early 80s. When
squeezing the stray cats played

together. And it was like
another thing Yeah, let's make

an album someday. So eventually,
these things tend to do, do

happen, something to talk about,
and the Barnstormers with Jules

and barzee. We were all set. It
was down to window or I'll see

we were going to Australia to go
to Kevin Shirley studio, live

there, some amazing place on the
water and make an album Jules

Bonzi, Cheney and myself. And my
wife plays a band called Eagles

of Death Metal. Yeah. And they
were touring Australia, we were

going to go make the album, I
would meet them on the weekends,

it was really the perfect plan.
And then of course, everything

weeks before was going to
happen. I guess I'm grateful. I

don't want to be trapped in
Australia. Generally, if you

don't live someplace, it's hard
to be trapped there. Although

it's fine. I'm sure two years
later, wherever I was staying

with it, it would have gotten
sick and

right before we were supposed to
go everything I

canceled. And you decided to
this is where the modern world,

the stray cats and me like in
particular being very seemingly

old fashion.

We did the record through file
sharing the whole album, I would

go and record the drums at Gilby
Clarke because my other neighbor

has a great studio in his house.
He's great at doing drums. And I

would send that to Jules Jules
put his piano on he would send

that to Chris Chaney, he played
guitar and he would send that to

Barnsey who would sing it and
every every step went via Kevin

Shirley, who's the producer who
like organize that pack and

moved it on, and it took a year
we didn't do it every day. We

made an album that got to the
top of the charts in Australia.

Oh kitty

You go, ah,

that's the last the last thing
that we did. And it was kind of

like an old timey thing, but
done with the most modern

approach. That's great. And so
you're you're just mixing

business and pleasure. You're
making great music with your

friends. And that's kind of the
best kind of way to make it.

Totally. Yeah. And in recent
years, I think you told me at

least seven years you can
correct me you've been hosting

the weekly radio show,
rockabilly rave upon a little

Stevens underground garage. How
did you get into that new gig?

That 70 we did in January was
our 300th. Show. Nice. So that

was another funny one, where

where

I've written a book, like auto
bio that maybe seven, eight

years ago, and it's called
What's that called? It's called

a stray cat struts. Nice.

And it was good was on St.
Martin's Press. It's all the

copies. It's good. I might tune
in to say, you know, pressing

over with really these stories
with a few photographs on that

harradine called me and I wanted
to make a band. It's just you

know, irony funny stuff about
the formula stray cats. And

so I had written a book and

I would became friendly. This is
all on Twitter, with Maureen van

Zane Stevie's wife,

who's also on Sopranos. She paid
Gabrielle Dante. She's awesome.

Yes.

We had become somehow crossed
paths on Twitter of liking the

same old TV shows and watching
Colombo and meet TV and that. So

she said, Steve is playing in
LA. Once you come to the gig, I

said great, because I hadn't met
Stevie I knew that Bruce a

little bit because he came to
see the strikeouts play and we

met few times been whispering
things at the club and jersey

with us on that first tour
playing guitar because but

Steve, he's like an East Coast
guy. And sometimes, if you

don't, you know, there's like
New York people. Even though I'm

from New York. I've been in LA
40 something years. I didn't

know Stevie so so. So Marina
invited me to see his show. And

to bring a copy the book. Great.
So I went to the Roxy in the

daytime, the Roxy again. There
was no one there is you know

there's more than anyone clubs
in the daytime have kind of the

weirdest place in the world.
Yes. And like somehow the doors

open and lets all the light in
and you're like, oh, close the

doors. What are you round still
the same time maybe they're in

the office or maybe they're
loading in but haven't started

yet. It's like that. Three
o'clock in the afternoon at a

nightclub before the gig. It's
odd place. So so I'm wandering

around in there. And and I
wandered up into the dressing

room and there's still no so I
was about to leave and then

another door open and who's out
who that and it was Stevie. He

was by himself in the nightclub
as well. I said I was devious

Maysam Jim song. How you doing
kid? Very strange. And I said, I

got this book for your wife. My
wife, isn't it? Yeah, we're

talking about you all. She's not
here today. It's just me. And

the parents on their way. So it
was an and my friend Charlie

Drayton was playing drums at the
time. The great player. Yeah,

we're Facebook friends. Yes,
exactly. He was playing drums

for Stevie at the time. So I
hope to see SMBC Charlie and

drop this book off. Oh, Charlie
could make this trip. I got to

substitute. I know the guy.
Maureen wasn't there. So I'm

with Stevie by myself

and table in a nightclub but
it's completely dark at three

o'clock in the afternoon. So and
I knew he had his channel said

well, you know what, what do you
got?

Yeah, got it there this book to
give to you wise? You said no,

no. What do you got? So I just
went on my kinda, well, there's

no Beatles without Buddy Holly.
There is no Rolling Stones.

Without Bo Diddley. There's no
who without Eddie Cochran Led

Zeppelin loves called
percussion. And I just got my

thing go in my manifesto. And I
realized, like, 710 minutes have

passed, I have taken a breath.
And the Stevie just stopped. And

he's, he's still the Oadby. You
know, he's, he's like, right?

For a show. Three weeks. What
are you talking about? I want

the first show in three weeks. I
don't even know what I was

doing. So that was your, what do
you got? That's funny. I mean,

what does that even mean? You
know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

exactly. So I did the first show
and, and I've been doing it

every Sunday since since then,
the rain or shine, I'm on the

road and I learned how to do it
via you know, you know, record

it and send it and it's, you
know, a beautiful thing. You

know, it's for me of everything
I do. It's kind of my favorite

thing. Yeah, I record the
tracks. While I have a setlist I

mailed that ID to the producer.

and who I don't know personally,
but I

know because they're based in
Washington DC serious, it's a

whole how the world works is so
kind of funny. And thank God for

these, this interwebs man is so
young, you put a setlist

together of your favorite genre
songs for that particular week

and then you record all your
talking head stuff, your

interstitial stuff. Yes, after
he sends it back, and

where the brakes go? Yep, we
used to do a Sirius XM studios

that are beautiful. But then
that changed as well right a

couple of days. After doing it
the same place for a certain

amount of time. Then they opened
these beautiful new offices

where you would want to go and
hang out and see everyone. But

that got closed. So you had to
learn how to do it from home

sink or swim. So I got a nice
microphone and interface and in

my closet. My wife's closet is
insulated.

And you do interviews in that
closet. There's looks like

there's shoes behind you and
stuff. Like Well, the thing is

leopard skin lounge. It's like,
yeah, blue jacket, and there's a

you know, you know, there's an
orange cowboy suit and there's

Genovese leopard skin. Fuzzy jar
and this is part of the stick

but but it sounds good enough.
So so we've been doing it like

that for the longest the longest
time and then since I've learned

how to do it, if you're on the
road, you just really need a

quiet place and someone to leave
you alone for an hour and then

you can do it and then I record
it and I send it in back in and

then it's on every Sunday at
five o'clock. That's killer ya

know, for at one point I had XM
radio in my one of my leased

vehicles but then I returned the
car and then I haven't had the

XM since I gotta get back on it
so I can listen to your show

man. is where the five bucks a
month you get it in your house

in the car everything Oh yeah, I
got to do that. Yeah, cuz my my

my girl is like a Howard Stern
freak. I mean, she never misses

an episode, you know? Exactly.
So I think he can do it. I think

they're running a promotion now
too. I could do it. I should do

it bad. Probably on half the
songs on the outlaw country

channel man I did to him I
probably on a lot of them. And

then you're doing some charity
work, man, your love hope

strength foundation. I'd love to
hear about that. And I think

through the organization. Now
this is crazy. Is this true? You

climbed Mount Everest in Mount
Kilimanjaro? Yes. I mean, don't

you have to train for months and
months at a time and have like a

Sherpa and like, you know, like
steer? You have to have a

special breathing apparatus. I
mean, how do you go about doing

that man? Tell me that. Tell me
that story. What how that came

about was

one of my earliest friends
again, it all leads back to to

this original group of shows
that we did in England 1980. And

then the first tour after the
album came out what was in the

was in the winter of 1980. And
the opening act was a band that

would become the alarm. Nice.
And Mike Peters, who was the

lessor the law is still my
friend to this day. This is 1980

until now have a long that is
always staying in touch. And

he's you know, he's he's, you
know, he's there with me

original pal. Now he had a
cancer diagnosis. And the first

time that he beat it, he wanted
to give back because he's a very

write on rock'n'roll can save
your soul guy. And he formed

the, the, the charity love,
hope, strength, which which is,

which is a cancer.

Although all the proceeds go to
cancer research, perfect. And

he's a very, you know, he's one
of those guys, when he says he's

gonna do something, he does it.
And he organized this

organization, love, hope,
strength. And,

you know, we said the same with
my pals all, you know, just tell

me what you want me to do. And
I'll do it. And he organized

this climb for fine for a cure.
And it was to Mount Everest. And

it could have easily been deep
sea diving. And then I would

have had to have done that. But
it was like that was the thing

that he chose

that we're going to hike to the
base camp of Mount Everest,

which two weeks after that, when
you get to base camp, that's

when it's the technical climbing
that's like a different

universe.

But the hike itself, you got to
think it's 27,000 505 or some in

you know, amazing number like
that. And it takes two weeks or

you know, trekking through to
sleeping in a sleeping bag at

night with Sherpa. That whole
thing.

There was a couple of people the
guys from the fix the band the

fix. Oh yeah, love it.

reached the beach. Yeah,
exactly. And

Glencoe work from squeeze where
my paths cross again with

original friends of mine. He's
somehow on it. And then it was

about

Many other people, but it was
the core few of us

musicians and we played along
the way, played with, you know,

a pair of sticks and on a rock
kind of

had to be freezing, you got to
have the right gear and the

right food and all that. Yeah,
it was, that's, that's where it

was very well planned by the, by
the organization, I kind of went

and did it. And it was, you just
you still had to put one foot in

front of the other and go up
there and deal with the altitude

and, and the, you know, the how
how hard it is. And that's the

whole thing. But we we got to
the base camp, and it was quite

extraordinary. And then

up from base camp, we went up
another 1000 feet, and on like a

ledge. And we had

an acoustic guitar, or maybe to
a pair of sticks. And someone

had carried something like some
some type of drum. And we had

like 35 seconds or five minutes
before everyone froze to death

in the weather came in. And we
didn't work this down. And that

was when CNN went past and some
broadcasting. So it was a

beautiful thing. But it was
really one was from Mike, you

know,

anything that he had asked me to
do. So we got home and it was

very nice thing was film for
documentary ethics to do with VH

one and National Geographic. But
that was my thing. I was a go

along. I said Mikey, now you got
everything out of me, please

don't ask me do anything like
this have you got to, and no

problem slim. And then about
six, eight months later is that

we're going to do the same thing
in Africa. And I had have always

had a very strong fascination
with Africa and going and I

looked into it myself, like, I
want to go there and you know,

bring the food and bring the
water. That's great. Jim is

$12,000. You know, I want to go
and hang out with the with the

tribes people and bring them.
That's great, Jim, it's $12,000

to do. Okay, well, and in the
intro music into it. And the

last trip, Mike Peter said,
we're going to do the same thing

at Kilimanjaro. And I said,
Well, you know, I always wanted

to go to Africa.

So we did, we did Kilimanjaro.
And then I said, Now I'm done.

But that was a beautiful,
beautiful thing. I really, I

really love that. And that's
more about the heat than the

coal or Kilimanjaro is more
Yeah, it's like altitude when

you're getting. I mean, it
wasn't as high as Everest, but

not that much less. And it's
kind of the

really, the altitude is the
thing, and just the every day,

you know, you're gonna be hiking
up straight up for eight, nine

hours. And there's not
particularly any trail. So

there's a, there's a, there's a
path, I suppose. But every step

is different, like you need
sticks, and you need to really

watch your feet. So like you
could be walking for two hours

past the most beautiful
landscape in the world, and

you're staring at your feet.

Because one false step and
you're kind of, you know, bit in

trouble. So, but it was an
amazing thing. And then we went

on a safari that, you know, at
the very end that I saw a rhino

and uh, you know, they say they
never see them anymore. And I

said, Well, let's try to conjure
one up, you know? Yeah, I mean,

just

the Savannah, you know, the
lions and tigers and zebras. And

they all gather at the watering
hole. And it's just

unbelievable. It's all true. I
mean, I'm fascinated by my whole

life and

playing the drums I had to go
on, you know, since my supper a

little bit again, play, you
know, play the drum. Yeah, is

that you know what that but the
thing is, is that, you know,

people love the drums and it
literally has taken us around

the world. I mean, you
manifested your childhood dreams

and you did it with friends of
yours. So when you guys take

these little breaks for each
other, I always I always

interesting talking to people
who have been in the same band

20 3040 years, right? Things go
by where you won't talk to each

other, right? Maybe even a year
goes pass? Yeah, certain times.

Yeah. And then when there's
something brewing someone wants

to play or it's getting an offer
or an offer comes through the

really know about right away.
Everyone starts to get in touch

with a bit of an organic thing.
I know. Here we stay in touch

like

every now and again find you
know, some picture something

funny from somewhere in school
or some joke that you remembered

like so innocuous in this three
people who were interested in

would find that funny, right? So
that that somehow drifts in and

it's you know, Hey, should we do
some gig? Well, let's see what's

out there and it's and then
everyone is in touch for a while

and then

but like the gigs it's very
funny thing because I'm not in

any bad vibe district gets since
this since the very beginning.

So

at least I'd say the 90s or the
late 80s. Everyone travels

separately. And like arrives to
the gigs. And somehow,

everyone's on the side of the
stage five minutes before you go

on to it. That's a nice shirt.
Oh, man, that's looking good.

Let's do this one tonight. And
let's Excel. Okay, yeah, no, no,

but and then we go on, we have a
great gig. And then everyone

goes, Oh, and it's not on
purpose. And there's no bad

vibe. Everyone's kind of
friendly. I think maybe that's

what helps keep it friendly in a
funny way. Who's got their own

family and their own schedule
and their own? Well, I want to

stay in Amsterdam an extra
night, why don't want to go

spend the night in Chicago, I
want to fly on to Minneapolis.

Everyone does with I love that
everybody just like they'll meet

you at the gig man. Because, you
know, we're just, you know, our

band is very much we're attached
at the hip and the airports and

the tour bus and we can't we
can't escape each other. You

know, we don't want to but it's,
you know, yeah, we're all going

together. So there's, I kind of
think that, you know, you and I

the drummer, so we accept
whatever, I'm fine with either.

What to do to keep it all going.
I think that's the, you know,

the, you know, the ultimate goal
is to keep it all going but the

drummers may just want it to
know. Yeah. You know, you want

to be like Ringo. And that's
what I always wanted, you know,

my whole life. Yeah, you just
go.

It was my own. Yeah, well,
funny. You know what, you did

it, man. And you you know,

you know, hanging backstage with
Charlie Watts, all the great

stuff. Now you stand the
majority of the time, right? Are

there any projects where like,
you know, you sit down and play

or just traditional, like studio
session, seated or no? Yeah,

besides the stray cats, which we
do everything, how we do it at

the gig. Most everything else,
when I record it, I'll sit down.

Gotcha.

And further the gigs. Really, it
seems like at this point, that's

what they want to be they
meaning the, you know, the

beautiful people who come to the
gigs and, you know, book the

gigs and want the gigs and I
tend to stand up like with

Lemire stood up.

You Yeah, it's mainly mainly
standing up at the gigs. And,

and I do a trio. That's, that's
great. My wife plays bass. And

we, we have a nice little cast
of characters who's available

and which are,

which is really a beautiful
thing that, you know, such a

great

level of musicians and a
quantity of the Well, I had some

gig comes through that's, you
know, in New York, and the usual

guy cut Yeah, but I know another
guy in New York, and well, he

knows this guy. And it's just
like a beautiful community. And

Leon and I on on, like, a very
nice level of musicianship, and

like, respect, it's kind of a
cool, no cool thing to think all

these years later, that because
we love Ringo, and then called

Perkins and these things were
all you know, 100 years later,

you kinda like, you know,
touring and well, I don't know,

you know, like, chocolate in
Chicago. Well, my friend is the

so and so. And he can do and
it's just a beautiful thing to

be part of. Yeah, but like
relationships are like, that's

your life. That's kind of like
your love language, man. It's

like that your whole career is
about relationships. Like that's

my buddy that I met in 1980
You're still mixing business and

pleasure with people decades
later.

Yeah, that's the funny thing.
The beautiful thing fair and

haven't we? We we just came to
the last thing we did. We just

came back a couple of days ago.
We did

every February the third we do
the Buddy Holly tribute that's

at the surf Ballroom in Clear
Lake Iowa. That was the last gig

that Buddy Holly Ritchie bounds
in the boilerplate I bopper

Yeah. And, and every third of
February they do they meaning

the city and the you know, the,
you know, the town Arts Council

kind of thing. They they do a
gig at the surf ballroom, and

all sorts of beautiful people
around it's like, two 3000

people every night and they do
it over the course of a weekend.

It's all things like, Buddy
Holly and you know, which is you

know, affected me it was one of
the things that I first got

turned on to 1979 the Buddy
Holly story came out and that

was the same time I was thinking
well Beatles have kind of Buddy

Holly and like it was all part
of my evolution of finding about

you know, all these things we
love it was kind of like a like

an era when I was finding out
late 70s And so every February

the third we deal with thing and
they get in touch with me and I

make a nice little gang. And
this year we

we had

we Jenny V played bass with me
Gilby Clarke from Guns and

Roses, who's my friend and
neighbor 35 years.

Glen Matlock, from the Sex
Pistols who wrote the six pistol

songs the bass player. Amazing
is my friend since those early

days.

In London, and he and I played a
couple of bands together. But I

called him in on it Albert Lee,
who's beautiful guitar player,

Marshall Crenshaw, who played on
the Hollywood bomba, Chris

Montez, whose original American
rock and roll it from the early

60s, and he was a contemporary
and a friend with Richie Valens.

So, these are all my friends and
we, who could we call this year

and this is the gang that we
assembled this year for, we just

came home like two days ago was,
you know, a beautiful thing. So,

where it's, you know, like you
say, it's so true to have your

friends and like, it's like all
the same thing. You friends in

the gig. And it's like all the
same thing. Really, ya know,

that I talked about all the time
and mixing business and

pleasure. And everyone should
check out your website, you've

got fantastic looking
merchandise and looks like you

do like a sort of like a one man
show like, you know, book, Jim,

and he'll come in he'll do
performance and they'll do

questions and they'll tell
stories. It's cool, man. Yeah,

yeah. A lot of cool stuff. And
my beautiful wife I have to give

her credit for a shoot she on
those types of things. She She

organizes it and comes with
points and shoots me. It's no

that's it. I love that. You
know, I think I saw I think it

was 2016

I believe I saw your wife play
bass with Courtney Love on a

hotel. A Hollywood rooftop
party. Yeah, she played with

love. And that was before she
she she join the death metal.

Yeah. And, and it's, you know, a
great, a great thing if you knew

your partner, someone who
understands the business and it

makes life a lot easier and and
can also, you know, a good bass

player drummer, we know that,
you know,

rhythm section of life. Yes,
yes. Now that NAMM as a great

thing, who's who plays drums
right now in the Eagles? Death

Metal. Okay, these are death
metal right now is someone who's

awesome, who I'm glad you asked
me about

their longtime drummer, he
retired after maybe two tours

ago. And they needed a drummer.
So I they, they asked me to

assist in the, you know, the
search being a drummer, and now

it's close that group with the
other death metal. And we

started to look for drummers.
And I thought it would be cool

idea. And so there's my wife to
have to try to find a rock and

gal, you know, girl playing the
drums and okay, the lot of good

people, every

every description, good drummers
out there. And

we were looking through drum
videos and

for some reason, and it was in
the background, because we

checked out a few there's
already five that were amazing.

Wait a minute, who's that? Go
back to that one. No, no, that

one before that. Who is that?
And it's a girl. Her name was

Leah Bluestein.

And she's Berkeley grad.

Just 25 years old.

Berkeley graduate, who can

read anything? Latin jazz
fusion, but she could also do

punk rock, got her NASM. And I
said, this is the person. And we

got in touch with Leah. And she
came out. And I never even met

her before I saw her videos and
her vibe. We spoke during the

phone. And she came and went.

Went to the audition process.
And they stop talking to people

after it's she's very clear
choice. And so she's been doing

with them for the last couple of
years. Right? She's great. I

like going and watching. I mean,
you're like me, I'm sure I like

every drummer and like going to
sit on the side. And then you

know, be able to walk around and
go to the front and have to

suddenly steal from everyone.
Yeah, yeah.

Any time night or day i So and
then seeing one that

Blows your head off.

That

you know, there's certain
drummers that do that. Well.

They're really good. And I kind
of know what they're doing. I

can't do it, but I know what
they're doing. And then you see

ones that I don't even know what
you're doing. She's

Oh my God, that's incredible.
Yeah. But you got to keep that

in our back pocket while she's
playing with the Eagles because

that's that's just rocket
straight down the middleman.

Yeah, so you find her her name
is Leah Bluestein. And you look

her up incredible. She's great.
So they're, they're you know,

tight, like really tight band
and I think they'll be going on

the road later this year. And
we're going to be doing stuff my

wife and myself. I think we're
going to go do South by

Southwest with them.

There's a

you know, keep fresh, they're
going to do that. A few other

ones and you know, there's just
always stuff going

Don't always always that's I'm
saying it's like, you know, my

life I just, I'm the same way I
just tried to have a lot of

creative options. And that all
fill in on the calendar. So

every day you get to do
something creative. Exactly

right. You know? Exactly right.
And and so so what are your

plans? When are you going out
again? Oh, man, our plans were

were pretty late. You know, we
used to do 200 shows a year and

then you know, it gets whittled
down as the venue's get bigger.

And now we're on a cool cycle
where we pretty much do about

5055 shows a year and it's
usually July to October, so I do

every Thursday, Friday,
Saturday, July to October.

That's awesome. Easy limited. If
you don't have to, when are you

going on the road if you don't
have to?

You want to do a couple of weeks
here a couple exams I know I

will always jump I'm a road dog.
I will always jump into a bunk

man you know, sometimes it's
weird that I have to come home

and like grocery shop and make
sure that the lawn is cut and

all that stuff because I'm just
so used to the 20 years of just

living on the road you know,

but we have a cool you know, we
have a cool lifestyle in

Nashville where you could jump
on the bus on a Wednesday night

and get your rocks off Thursday,
Friday, Saturday with with the

people and then Monday through
Wednesday. You can write songs

produce record, you know, do
your thing you know. So January

to June Do you not take gigs or
do you? Oh no, I take I take

gigs I do sessions on Music Row.
I do sessions here in my house.

I I teach a lot. I just wrote a
new book I'm promoting and then

you know we I'm I'm recommitted
to this podcast. One episode a

week and five years ago, we are
hot and heavy, like two episodes

a week man no matter what like
Marc Maron that's how you do it

man Joe Rogan that's and then
you know, life gets in the way.

And so we like sometimes just
like one episode a week. That's

what we're gonna do. 52 episodes
this week this year. Yeah. Yeah,

man.

It's amazing. But dude, thank
you so much for sharing your

time with us this amazing story,
this amazing legacy. I I admire

your passion, your charisma,
your groove, and you're just

keeping it all alive, man. Thank
you. Oh, well, thanks for

reaching out. Just you know, you
and me know. Probably a lot of

people watching is you know, the
drums are thing you know, we

just love

that. No, we're not like all the
other ones. All drummers like

each other. Oh, no, it's a
brotherhood sisterhood. And we

will close down that diner late
at night. It's just drummers.

And that's what we want to talk
about, you know, the threads on

the cymbal stand for an hour.
Fine with me.

Totally. It's a beautiful thing.
And you know, we've been with

Gretch Zildjian. Vic Firth since
day one on grandfathered in.

When things changed a few years
ago, they made a contract signed

by Fred Gretsch signed by Vic
Firth rip signed by Armin

Zildjian. And like that alone to
me, I would have one right,

they're giving me a drum kit.
And now it's amazing. Now, were

you with DW at one point? Yes,
yes, I saw like an instructional

video on YouTube when they first
thought I had a kit made because

John good was a friend of mine.
And

so, so we had to keep me from
them. But just the whole idea

that like, you know, an all
drummers are the same to get

your simple setup in the
Zildjian catalog. Pretty cool.

You already want everything
pretty cool when when when the

people at these companies they
see you and they respect you as

a touring musician or a
recording musician or an

educator. And they're just like,
we believe in you and we support

you and it's this beautiful back
and forth relationship. I

couldn't agree more among on one
9% So if we cut it out, that's

what it is. You gotta know it.
Yeah, it's been kind of going in

and out. It's kind of a cool
effect as it looks like the sun

is cresting or something but hey
man and built in effect. Rogers

would know behind this is the
beautiful thing and it is that

stained glass is gorgeous, man.
I you know, I ran so much during

COVID all over Beverly Hills. I
probably ran past your house a

million times. That's cuz I
spent on COVID in Beverly Hills.

A one Beverly Glen. Oh, nice.
Yeah. Street like the main

street is right there. Yeah, my
girl had a spot on Doheny and

Beverly so it was kind of like
right there.

Which

she was by the it was it was an
apartment complex kind of like

by the Ralph's and right on the
corner of Bohemian bedroom. I

lived for 20 years on Tony drive
and Sunset Boulevard. Right

there at the right there would
that impossible? You know, how

do I park my car? It's like
straight up like this. It's

exactly Christian Turner's 1014
North Rohini I lived there for

25 years. That's my so you are
right next to the filters. Right

across the street. Yeah, that's
a great what what a sci fi thing

I mean, if you drive past it,
you'll see it. It's got the old

awning that was my house for the
longest time. That's really

incredible. It ever is no excuse
to not go out every night on the

Sunset Strip if you live right
there.

Yeah, I walked everywhere.

Man, you made it kid.

Your addresses Sunset Boulevard,
you're doing something right.

Beautiful, awesome, brother.
Well, hey, we really appreciate

it. And we hope that we could
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