The Rich Redmond Show

Unknown: Drummers get the brunt
of jokes and stuff like that.

Oh, I'm getting to that. Yeah.
Well, I mean, bass players do

too, though. Oh yeah, you know,
because if you look at the chart

of girls to people in the band
ratio, you know, typically, the

singer's got two girls in each
arm. Guitar players got a girl

on each arm, one girl, drummer
got one girl on an arm and bass

players by itself.

Is that how it works? This is
the rich Redman show. I get

good stories. We roomed

together for a year. Yes, we did
room together for a year when I

was doing Body for Life, and I
had my myoplex

shakes absolute on the bus. How
did

I not know you did that? Well,
you know, I only got because

I hadn't been on the show yet.

I only got, I mean, I think, I
think I leaned up a little bit,

but I don't know if I did it all
that was rigorous, right? Yeah,

that was a tough. Oh, eating six
times a day, six times

a day, salmon burgers.

Now I only eat two or three
times a day, and I fast. Well,

most days I will fast until noon
or one, really, and that's when

I get my first meal. When do you
stop eating?

Um, I try to do it no later than
three hours before

bed. Okay, yeah, I'm a big fan
of fasting. Yeah, I did it a few

years ago, serious and sometimes
going 1820 hours a day. Yeah,

nice. And I was never more alert
in my life.

Yeah? Because one, you know,
we're just as humans, especially

Americans, we were just
shoveling too much food in our

way, too much, you know? Yep,

yeah. But I think our food
supply has also been compromised

over the last 2030, years. Did
you

guys watch the latest bill burr
stand up? I've

half of it. I got half more to
go. Okay, so we've watched

it three times, because the
first two times we were, like,

only half conscious. We were in
and out, you know. Then we

watched it again last night. And
man, he's got some good points.

But yeah, food supply is, yeah,

those stand up comics, they're
they're brilliant, they're

smart. I love watching the
comedians and cars, yeah,

getting coffee, because you see
how smart these people, yeah?

Oh, you're just in tune with
everything. And

they got to be in tune, you
know, they got their radar.

They're like songwriters. Their
radar has to be up, but they're

also tapped into a very dark
part of life, depending on what

kind of comedy

date. Well, they say that most
comedians are damaged human

beings in some way, or they say
for some form of trauma, but you

know, the social commentary is
at a high level, and just the

ability to walk out on stage
without a net and do that thing?

Yeah? Because when we're seeing
bill, it's probably at the end

of a three month run culminates.
He's got his reps in, he's got

his reps in to where there's
less. The connective tissue is

all there, yeah, because I
didn't see one cue card, I don't

see one note on stage, nothing,
you know, like Bill Maher, we,

you know, I'm a fan of Bill
Maher. He, he's always, he's

always had a television show,
and then his stand up comedy is,

is icing on the cake. So maybe
he'll only, do, you know, 20

shows a year, or whatever. But
his thing is, he's got a music

stand, which is, I think it's
cool. He's got a little music

stand in the corner with little
notes. And he'll just walk over

to the music stand and go,

oh yeah, I appreciate Bill
Maher's objectivity as of late.

Well, he's

less far left and more right in
the middle, looking at both

sides and going, No, you're an
idiot, and no urine. And

which is, which is the
conversation that needs to

happen at this point in time.
More of a empathic, empathetic,

centrist conversation, yeah,
common sense. The empath is your

wife. The empath is my wife.

Absolutely, that's

that's a cool thing to have in
your tool chest as a human,

because she's seeing or feeling
things that we're not, yeah. But

it also could be

tough because she's seeing
things and hearing things

that we're not, no, I mean,
it's, you know, we're going on

24 years not

you're doing just fine. I'm just
saying, but I was married to an

empath. Yeah, it's heavy.

So housekeeping. Anything new
coming up? You want to talk

about, oh, Jim,

you know, when this comes out,
it's seven or eight weeks. I

mean, we have so many of these
episodes in the can. We're gonna

have merch. We at this point, we
will be wearing our own hoodies.

We're not We're not wearing them
now, drinking out of our own

coffee mugs, right? And I'm so
excited about this merch

company, because she's really
classy. She does a great job.

What's the company?

The nesting project in

Antioch, or Smyrna and Smyrna,

yeah, and the idea is that we
don't have to hold stock. So if

you really like the hoodie, you
really like the baseball shirt,

you really like the coffee mug,
it gets built, it gets

manufactured at when you order
it, right? Which is awesome.

Yes, super excited. But no,
we're just eating some truffles

today from a friend of mine,
Stan Z. Three concepts. He just

had me in. Of course, this will
be eight weeks old news to do my

master class. Kind of one man
show thing over in Erie,

Pennsylvania, had a great time.
Put me up in this amazing hotel

room right on Lake Erie. We
broke bread. I got to meet some

new people. I got to work with
some kids. You know, from there

was this thing called the The
eerie art house, and it was

basically, you know, kids after
school that have troubled home

lives. They can go and they can
do something productive with the

arts, music, painting, all that
kind of stuff. Alice Cooper has

a similar thing where you go
after school, it's a safe place

for kids to, like, learn Pro
Tools and video production or

learn to play a musical
instrument, which is a great

thing. Which is a great thing.
Yeah. But what about you, buddy?

Anything been kind of happening
you want to kind of, kind of

promote, besides your lighting
business, or,

well, we've got the Well, I
mean, about this time when it

comes out, we'll probably be
past the human

Oh, yeah. Your Huey gig will be
may 28 at City winery. Jim has

been playing drums for fun for a
very long time, but now he's

going to be in the public eye.
He's going to be on stage. He's

going to be kicking this band,
with

this Huey Lewis trippy band. And
give me your honest opinion.

You've watched me play some of
this stuff because you've

been words, you've been wood
shedding it every day. You've

been living it. You know, I tell
everybody, you don't have to get

ready. If you stay ready and
you've been immersed in the

material, it's going to be part
of your DNA. So I think you're,

I think you're ready, yeah,
yeah, man, it's a vote of

confidence, dude, good job, man.
Everybody

that's been coming on here has
been telling me, like, Oh, I'm

gonna be there, and it's like,
all these, you know,

professional guys, heavy
weights, and I'm going, that's,

man, no pressure. That's making

you feel good. Yeah, I'm going
to the city winery, uh, Friday

night to see the bodines, which
a fantastic American rock band,

Wisconsin, yeah, Heartland rock
band, heartland, yeah,

Wisconsin, that's heartland,
right, yeah. So tell us about

our guest. Hey, we're into it,
man. So, you know, born in

Massachusetts, but growing up in
Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada.

Moncton, yeah, tell me about
that. He's been living in

Nashville since 1997 this
gentleman, I got to play with

Pam Tillis together for about 18
months, and we had an amazing

time. But he's a fantastic bass
player, world class bass

players. Also play with folks
like James Bond me, Kevin sharp,

Clay Davidson, of course, I
mentioned Pam Tillis, but he has

been the band leader and the
bass player for Gary Allen, an

award winning country rock
musician Gary Allen for 25 years

talking about my friend Brian
arsenal, What's up, buddy? This

is great. I can't believe 25
years have come to pass. I know

first of all congratulations,
because having any job in the

music business where you got a
nice w2 and they got the fic at

the FICA, the medic they get
that they do all the stuff for

you so you don't have suffer on
your taxes. And it's the tour

that never ends that's very
impressive.

Yeah, I agree. It's just coming
here. I didn't think I was gonna

be in it this long, sure enough,
you're still here. Yeah, gotta

leave tonight. But you're

a lifer. You're a lifer. You're
always gonna be slapping

the best, slapping the best,
sleeping the best.

Why didn't he say it that way?

Yeah, it was probably just an
improvisational thing where Paul

Rudd was just in the moment, and
it was probably, oh, it wasn't

even the first tag, or was an
outtake. And like, you know, did

you

see the one where they did they
they meet rush backstage? Oh,

yes, yes. And he's like, you
know me and Tom Sawyer. He's

like, what'd you say?

Don't they give him kind of
like, yeah, don't do that sort

of thing. Or, yeah.

And they eat Neil's sandwich,
and Neil gets very mad, my God,

rest

his soul. God, rest his soul. I
love that. Judd Apatow, man,

this is 40. Is like, wow, that's
like, a holy grail long movie

too. And there's a director's
cut that's even longer. Oh my

gosh. I love it when he's like,
got his legs spread apart and

he's got his iPhone, he's got
the mirror, he's got the camera

on the iPhone. He's like, can
you tell me, what is this? What

is this? Is it a hemorrhoid? Is
this an anal? Fisher, what is

this? And she's like, can we
keep some romance or

privacy? Yeah, brilliant.

There's only been one time where
I've had to do that, yeah, in

our marriage. And it's like, it
is weird.

Yeah, you do want to keep some
you know, it's the old farting

rule. Like, at what point do you
start farting around each

other? Ever? If ever. Oh, that's
we're way past that. See, I love

the you are totally past that.
Yeah?

See, rich, rich has got that
thing where you'll say something

and now look at you like a
little smile.

Let me ask you this, you did
spend a year living together?

Yeah?

We did, yeah. So what was it?
Sound kind of strange. I would

never want

anyone else in that band to be
my roommate. We were just it was

great

that, yeah, that year, that was
a different kind of

year. When was the year? What
year was

that? 2000 in the year 2000

so did you have did you pick up
on his idiosyncrasies, like when

you bought a new shirt? Did he
Oh, absolutely. Well, how would

he approach if he didn't like
the shirt? How would he let you

know? Know, I always

like branch shirts, but we had
an out. We had a uniform with

Pam.

I dressed kind of, yeah, black,
black shows. One time she had

us, remember, we're in LA, and
we all went into a store

together, and she said,
everybody pick out a shirt. I'll

buy it. Oh, yeah, remember that
that's where I got this killer

leopards, leopard printed
striped bowling shirt, like

all black with one, one little,
tiny stripe right across. I got

the black one with the massive,
massive Leopard on each side.

Still have that shirt.

You still have it. Still have
man, you still fit into it

because you are highway
proportion and you care about

your body. So it's great. Well,
thank

you. It's good. Yeah,

I kids am not

now, Jim, are you still on your
trying 50? Before 50? I

had the pleasure of having a
physical this week. So nice,

little subtle reminder of how
awful you're doing. So what did

the doctor say? Oh, high blood
pressure. All the things. Is

that mostly, is high blood
pressure mostly from stress or

diet, or is it

DNA? Might be hereditary for us,
my brother's got high blood

pressure as well, and I think a
lot of people do, because I'm

wondering if it's not really all
that high, it's just a way to

get meds out there. Oh,

now you're going to the big
conspiracy. Orwellian. Well,

could be I've got high
cholesterol the last couple of

physicals that I went to a Thai
cholesterol, I was like, What's

going on here? Yeah, never had
that problem. Yeah, I eat well,

yeah, could be the water I'm
drinking, yeah? I

think it's the food supply. I
mean, you know, ever since we

interviewed Mike Tirana I've
been thinking about that. He's

been in Italy, and, you know,
he's loving life over there. The

food's great. He's clean,

yeah. So Mike Taran is this
killer, like, like, metal fusion

drummer. And he got, you know,
he's lived in several countries,

and he's been living abroad in
Sardinia, Italy, and he's like,

man, he goes, I'm into fitness.
And, you know, of course, in the

United States, they say, watch
the pizza, watch the pasta. He

says he eats pizza and pasta all
the time time, and it doesn't

bother him, and he doesn't gain
weight, no, and it's fresh.

I know that whenever I've been
to Europe, when they bring out a

platter of, like, a deli platter
with fresh fruit and vegetables,

it's unbelievable. Taste
different. Good it is. Yeah,

it's like the the color of fruit
in California, yeah, so much

more vivid.

Oh, god, yeah. The strawberries
are just so succulent and

beautiful. And the avocados,

avocados almonds, so green.

Yeah, almonds. Oh, you're an
avocado guy, right? Because

you're a

healthcare an avocado guy, yeah,
almonds. A funny story. A couple

of years ago, one of the guys in
our band knows this. These

people have an almond farm,
yeah, and they brought this

massive box of almonds, and
nobody was taking any. So I

filled this massive bag, it must
have been like 1520, pounds, put

it in my suitcase, because we're
flying out of LA the next day.

And sure enough, that thing is
going through the security

scanner, and they pull me over.
The guys are just watching,

laughing because they know it's
coming. And he pulls it out,

pulls it out of my suitcase, and
looks at me, and I went,

Albans. He says it like
Christopher walking,

not supposed to chip fruit.

No, he just wanted to know what
I'm doing with a 25 pound bag of

Altman. You're like, Dude, I
love all almonds. Yeah, they put

them back in the suitcase and I
was on my way. It's amazing. I

would just be like, well,

that's nuts. Oh gosh, I'm sorry.
Show yourself out

anyways. Yeah, we did have a
good time. And I'm trying to

remember where we went in Los
Angeles. That was before I

really spent any time in Los
Angeles, but it was a may have

been on Melrose Avenue where she
took us. It was like a could

have been, yeah, could have
been. But those are the, those

were the the Charlie Sheen
bowling shirts that was there

was like a period of time from
like 97 to 2001 where we were

all wearing our bowling shirts.

Yeah, yeah. I took it out of the
closet five or six years ago,

brought it out on the road, just
just as you know, just to see

the reaction, just the reaction.
What did the guy say? John

Lancaster, wanted to wear it.
Oh, yes. Gotta rest us. He can.

He can rest he could. He could
wear anything he wanted. Looked

great. Yeah, yeah, amazing,
yeah. Oh, that's

a good thing. So you know,
what's the deal with born in

Massachusetts, and then you're
in Canada. So

yeah. So my parents were went
there in the 60s. I was born

there in the 60s. Show my age,
and yeah, I did up to grade one

and two. It was that little
place called we we pronounce it

Haverhill. I think spelled
Haverhill, haver was about 30

miles, I want to say, east of
Boston. So it was there for till

grade two, and then my parents
decided to move back to Canada

be with family and stuff. And
that's where I grew up until

I'm. Moved here, I think the
class of 97 I hear a lot of

people came here in 97 Yeah, I
came here, actually a couple

months November of 96 is when I
came down to check things out.

Yeah, Nashville was, like a
million miles to me. I wanted to

go. I wanted to come here for
years. But it just, you know, I

think I did 13 years, 12 or 13
years touring Canada, yeah, with

this artist. Who was it? Well,
there was, there was different

artists that I worked with. I
mean, I started, would have been

like, right, 8319 83 is when I
started. And I went on the road

back then the country circuit
out there would have been like

six, seven nights a week. So
once I left New Brunswick and I

went out Western Canada, I was
out for good so I was touring

678, months at a time before I
could come home, my God, and,

you know, just playing country
bars, six, seven nights,

sometimes a Sunday matinee,
doing all that kind of stuff

when you're

going that long, were you like,
Were you still living with your

parents? Or did you have a
girlfriend? Or

still, well, still living with
the parents that, because I was

out of high school, worked a
little bit of a day job before

this band was coming through,
there was a club in Moncton

called the urban Chorale, and
they had won two or three years

in a row for like, top country
bar and yeah. So a lot of the

great, lot of bands were coming
through there, even the American

bands. So I used to go down
there. Wasn't old enough to get

in. I got 1617, and I would
stand outside the door at the

club, because they'd open up the
doorman would open up the doors,

let all the smoke out, just
cigarette smoke just billowing

out. But I could hear the band.
I couldn't see them. They were

around the corner, and I would
just stand up there and just

listen to the bands all the
time. Then a couple of the

doormen I kind of got to be
friends with, and the promoter

of that club, whatever, they
just what come here, they bring

me around the corner, just, just
little seat there where I could

see the band, and I'd watch the
band. So nice of them. Yeah. So

I did that for a little while,
and then a couple years later, I

get a phone call. I don't know
who gave them my name, but there

was a band coming through town.
Was this is the first one that I

went on the road with. And they
came through town, and they were

looking for a bass player. I
went to meet them, and I was on

the road. The next day. They had
fired their bass player right

then and there. And I was on the
road. Went to Nova Scotia first,

yeah. And then we went straight
out west. Wait

a minute. They fired the bass
player after meeting you like

it was his last the day I met
them. Yeah, that was his last

night. Yeah, yeah. Wow. So you

must see you just laughable.
You're likable. They're like,

this guy's

gonna be a better fit? Yeah,
they had no idea who I was, but,

yeah, they just, but then you
jump into nine months of living

with them, but, you know, I'm
not gonna use any names, but I

went on the road with this band,
and I think it lasted about 12

weeks. And starting from night
one, it was just constant

fighting every night. We're in a
Winnebago

and fighting. You're not even in
a

van. You're in a Winnebago.
We're in a Winnebago.

I'm talking physical fighting,
like these people, they hit they

had some they had some issues.
They had some issues. And I'm

like, Were you involved in the
fights? I was not involved in

the fights you had to watch. I
was watching this. And Brian is

even key. It was kind of like
almost every night, but the last

night of the week is when all
hell broke loose. Wow. And I

think I got out. I'm still
young. I'm like, Oh, I gotta

keep doing this, you know. And I
think I was in, we were out in

Ontario, somewhere, playing one
place for two weeks straight.

And

really, know the local wildlife,
oh yeah. What I mean? Oh yeah.

What do you mean? See there,
there's that, but the head tilt,

but, yeah, that was a the last
night of that run. It was, was

the biggest fight I'd ever seen.
I've never there was bodies fly.

There's people going through
drywall, like in the wall. I'm

just like, Okay, I've got to do
something. I need a new gig. I

need a new gig. So the next not
healthy. The next time we're

going to was Winnipeg, and I had
an uncle that lived there, and I

called him up and I said, I
think I'm going to quit. I'm a

bit scared. Why you scared? I
said, as I explained it to him,

he says, do

I get hazard pay? So you're like
19 years old,

18. I think 1819, thinking that
this is how it

is, thinking, this is this is it
right here. So we drive to,

well, after the massive fight,
we were told to be on that on

the Winnebago at like five in
the morning, because we got to

drive to Winnipeg. Was there a
girl in the band? There? Was not

in the band, but one of the
girlfriends was on the road. Oh

no.

Okay, what kind of a Winnebago
was? It was at least a nice one.

Or it was like, you know, 1980s
70s version. Oh, it's definitely

70s. Oh, wow. It makes it even
worse. Is 1983 that I'm talking

about? Yeah, so we're talking
like, Alabama's on the radio and

and, you

know, I'm making maybe 300 bucks
a week, but we had to pay the

gas. He took gas money. Out of
all the guys, I'm on the road

778, months, I know I'm just,
I'm eating hot dogs and rice and

so but I'm young. I'm like, This
is rock and roll, right? Yeah,

no, that's great. Yeah. I'm the
country band. So get on the

Winnebago and we go to Winnipeg,
and it's halfway through the

week, and I'm in my hotel room.
You want to hear these

stories? Oh, totally, yeah,

I can. I can hear fighting. It's
three or four in the morning. I

can hear fighting. So I I had my
own room. I think it's been too

long to remember, but I opened
the door of my hotel room

because I could hear the
fighting next door, and I can

hear it's just, it's Armageddon
going on, and our names are

getting thrown it and
everything. I said, That's it.

So I sneak out the window of my
hotel because I didn't want to

walk by the room. And I broke
into the they had a horse

trailer that they were hauling
for behind the Winnebago with

the gear, yeah. And I had a few
things. I had a banjo in there.

He's played banjo, yeah, and
broke in there, got my banjo out

and just little knick knacks
that I had, whatever. Got all

that out just in case, because
that might have been a Friday

night. Saturday was the last
gig. My uncle said, I'll be down

there with a couple guys help
you get your base amp and all

that out of there. Okay, so
we're into the you play four

sets. Always play four sets up
at 10 to two in the morning.

That was the 45 on 15 off, 45 on
15 on yet the other off. Some of

those clubs, the stripper would
come in and perform. That's

great. Yeah, nice. So here back
in that time, so I'm playing,

it's, I think was the four. It's
the third, third set. Here comes

my uncle. The door opens. My
uncle comes in, and he's got

about 15 guys with him, big
guys, and everybody's turning

around, like, it's like a bike
game, nice. And I'm

like, came to the rescue, right
from A

Bronx Tale, when they go into
the bar, into the bar. Now you

can't leave great movie.

Yeah, locks the door so, but,
yeah, I quit that night and

but what the hell were these
people fighting about? You

missed a chord on the second
song tonight, I

know had nothing to do with
that. Just, just problems. Did

you eat

sandwich problems

with the booze. So I was in a
lot of bands where there would

be a husband and wife fighting
all the time. So many bands

who'd be a husband and wife band
that was there too. They would

hire the young dudes, and they
would be fighting like cats and

dogs, and you could feel the
tension on stage. Oh yeah. What

would they fight about? Just,
you know, marital thing that

sounds like spinal to take it to
the stage. Take it to the stage,

you

know, I gotta say, you know,
looking at you in the video

monitors over here, Brian, if
you ever wanted to pull off a

Halloween costume, uh oh, Agent
Smith from The Matrix, you could

totally do. Oh,

totally. You guys would be mad.
I, I've only seen the first

matrix, and that's when it first
came out. That's, that's all you

need to see. Okay, that is the
other where

the other movies weren't bad.
There's a

matrix. Revolutions The Matrix
Reloaded.

Well, reloaded was the second.
Revolutions was the third. That

girl that you know in the first
movie, Carrie Anne moss and the

leather pants. Oh, my God, I'd
like to see what she's into

these days.

Sure she was in the last movie.
Yeah,

they re heard that was bad. I
didn't see it. It was okay,

yeah, yeah. It wasn't exactly.
Didn't have the same pizzazz.

Yeah, as the other movies,

women in leather. It's a great
thing,

you know, not enough Bazoom,
yeah, she needed to fill it out.

Jim likes him.

He likes some curvy,

but, yeah, that's, uh, I guess I
didn't get to helica. So that

was, that was my first

13 years of touring with but
some of the gigs got better.

Well,

after that i i stayed out there.
I got picked up by another band

for about six weeks that wasn't
going anywhere. Actually, you

like, there's one funny story
about that. I got picked up by

this other band and said, We're
gonna come pick you up. That's

wherever, wherever hotel I was
at. It's a van, old style van,

and it was a husband and wife.
They were nice to eat. They

didn't fight, but their husband
wife, they were up in the front,

and just behind the seat there
was a piece of plywood like

this, for three guys, drummer,
guitar player and now the new

bass player, and the sliding
door open, then it was all gear

behind that, yeah, and the
sliding door opens and they're

all sitting on their butts like
this, with the legs straight out

to the back of the seats. And I
had to get in the middle, and I

get in the middle, and I'm,
like, they shut the door. We

had, like, about an 810, hour
drive to go, and they all

everyone to start laying up
cigarettes with the windows up.

Oh, that lasted about six weeks.

Oh, my god, yeah. Gag, you never
smoked. Never smoked.

No. And then then I went back
home, get another phone call,

same from the same club. Gave my
name to these other people from

Ontario. Yeah. I go meet them at
the same restaurant, and I'm

with them two days later,
driving Ontario. And that that

worked out pretty good. But
after a year that I was burning

out being out there, whatever,
and on the way home, we were

doing our last trip, and I was
getting ready to I was leaving

the band, and we were coming
from British Columbia all the

way back to Ontario, with which
was their home base, and then I

was going to go home. We made
the artist, she had bought a

van, really, really nice van,
and but there was hauling a

trailer like you see on the back
of the busses here. Yeah, and

just wasn't designed to pull
that. We made it all the way

where we cut down through
Detroit and come up through

Windsor to go to where she was
from, and the van starting to

break down. Oh, no. So I was in
the back of that van for the

last four or five hours with my
head on the back doors, my feet

up on the closet, and the
drummer was back there too, and

we were just hanging out there.
The others were in the front,

and they said, we can get home.
It's only two more hours home.

Let's let's putter this thing
home at 15 miles an hour. We can

get there. So I got back in the
van after I'd stretched, and I

switched around and put my head
on the closet doors and my feet

on the back doors, which was
smart, because we started going

15 miles an hour, but the
tractor trailer coming behind us

at about 80. Oh no, didn't see
us, and he hit us. He drove that

trailer. I remember seeing the
trailer came off the hitch and

went right through the back
doors, and I the hitch went,

right? I kind of folded like an
accordion, like in a split

second, hmm. And, yeah, so, my

God, you could have died, buddy.
It's close. Michael, yeah. So

that's a lot of years of
unglamorous touring. So

unglamorous drawings. That's
some of the first jobs I did in

Nashville. I reached out to a
drummer named Lonnie Wilson, is

one of the most recorded
drummers you know him. And he

said, Hey, you know, it's not
glamorous. But this girl that

does, she's like, you know, you
play in the band houses. You got

to drive out to Phoenix or in
the middle of nowhere, and you

stay there for, like, a couple
of weeks, and you're staying in

the band house, which is never
clean, and it's like, you're

going to get crabs from it. And,
you know, it's,

I've got, I've got pictures of
the there's some band houses

that I stayed in. I had the
actual pictures where I took

pictures of the garbage that we
left as we were leaving. Yeah,

seven night, seven night, stay
whatever left the garbage there,

and we'd go back there a month
later, the garbage. And I told

the guys, I said, check it out.
It's the same, same garbage.

That's horrible. You

guys aren't selling this very
well. It's

like the comedian band house,
like, there's probably, like,

Zanies might have, like, maybe,
like, a, you know, like, uh, a

comedian house. And

they're never clean. They're
never Oh no, no, no. I stayed in

like, old office buildings that
were converted into band houses.

And

so when, you know, when you get
your gig with, you know, James

Bond, you or Kevin sharp, well,
you're like, holy cow, this is

much better. Oh yeah, that story
gets good too. Okay. Well, we

like,

well, it shaped your your
element for gratitude, yeah.

Oh, absolutely. Because all
those gigs I was doing, all

those months like we were
loading in our gear, going up

and down in Canada, in the in
the winter time, going up and

down stairs with tough touring,
old butterfly PA systems and

stuff like that.

But did you think to yourself,
Man, this is just how it is, I

guess at that time, yeah.
Because what the hell would I

get myself into? I dreamt of
Nashville. But since

you're playing the bass and
you're gainfully employed, and

obviously you're a likable
person, because you just kept

getting gigs,

yeah, gainfully employee. I was,
like, I said, making about 250

to 300

bucks a week out there. So what
was the first Nashville gig you

got?

Well, so after I came home from
that accident, stayed in, stayed

in Moncton for a brief period,
went to college for a couple of

years. Oh, yeah, I met, I met a,
there was a jazz band playing in

my town when I was off, and I
knew who the bass player was

that heard his name. His name
was skip back with he's passed

away a few years ago, but great,
great guy out of Halifax, and he

was playing this jazz trio, so I
went down to see it. Jazz wasn't

my thing, but take it for a
walk, man, take it for a walk.

But he was so entertaining. He
was one of the cool cats of jazz

kind of thing. And he we struck
up a conversation. He says, What

are you doing these days? And I
said, Really, nothing right now.

And he goes, Why don't you come
to school? Says, I'm the bass

prop there. I said, I wouldn't
be able to get in. He goes,

Well, you're 22 maybe at this
time. He goes, Uh, just he says,

we're playing tomorrow. Come see
me. Bring me a packet of

everything about you. And two
weeks later I was in I was going

to college, got in there, got in
there. He well, he got me in

there. So were you like playing
in the big band and stuff? Well,

here's the thing, there was no
music when I went to elementary

school or high school, zero
music was given. So I had, I

went in cold turkey. You're like
playing by pure feel your

instrument? Yeah. So when I got
there was a wake up call,

because all these kids were
coming out of different schools,

from Nova, Scotia and Ontario
that were coming there for this

jazz program. They had all
studied music. Some of these

kids were just ripping. I'm
like, What have I gotten myself

into?

Well, he saw something, and you
invited you to the program.

Yeah, he

liked me, and we became good
friends when we were there. And

I got to meet, you know, I got
to be really close with a lot of

those guys. A lot of them have
gone on to be teachers and some

of them performers. But I did
two years. I was I signed up for

the four year program, but I
just did two years because I was

still touring with different
bands and and then I worked with

a few more bands out of Halifax,
worked with a blues band, and

then I went worked with this
other artist from Halifax. And

then when I was working with the
arts from Halifax, we had done,

we were doing a telethon. It's a
schedule, yeah, get my Canadian

action. When

Joey was wearing his tux and,
you know, he wanted to be on

camera, don't you only say open
a boat already. Get that out of

the way. It's a dead giveaway.
So

who's Sorry, sorry, hey, but

so we went to do this telethon,
but there was a few American

Acts there, yeah, so here's
where the names might come in,

where you you'll recognize. So
one of the groups that were

there were a group called the
McCarter sisters. Do you

remember them at all? Yeah, of
course. So they were on this

telethon, and the guy that was
kind of tour managing them at

that day was guy named Kevin
Crampton. Do you remember that

name at all? Drummer played with
Jody Messina when she just came

out. Okay, so we got to talking
and stuff, and he said, planning

and coming to Nashville. I said,
I'd love to go there. I just, I

just haven't gotten there yet.
So I said, Have you ever come

down and give me a call? You
know, starting that kind of a

conversation. So I'm getting
home and I'm going, Okay, I

gotta go. I gotta try to figure
out a way to get there. And I

there was a friend of mine,
Derek Earl, who was a guitar

player I played with. Hadn't
seen him in a few years. Heard

he was driving a truck. So I
called. I got a hold of him, and

I said, Derek, I said, caught up
for a while. I said, Here you go

to Nashville. Sometimes he goes,
Well, I used to years ago. I

used to go through there all the
time. Says, My latest routes

I've been doing for the past
couple years I've been going. He

said, But if I ever do go back
through there, he says, You're

welcome to come with me. I said,
I can do that. He goes, Well, I

own my own truck. He says, I can
take whoever I want, nice. I'd

love that. So hung up the phone.
Next couple of days, I got a

good call from a good drummer
buddy of mine, and he was

playing in a country band I
really liked from my hometown,

and he said, we're looking for a
bass player. So I took the job.

That was in January of

1996 Yeah, and

the band was breaking up around
September, October, it was

breaking up, and here I am
broke. I don't know what I'm

gonna do. And then the phone
breaks. It's November. Phone

rings. It's Derek. He goes, Hey,
man, I got good news and bad

news. Good news, I got a trip
coming up. I gotta take a load

of moose head beer to Atlanta,
Georgia is then. I gotta go over

to Birmingham, pick up some
chicken wings, bring back to

Toronto. And when I go that way,
I'm going right 65 I didn't even

know what 65 was. Going 65 right
through Nashville. I said,

Great. I said, Can I still go
with you? He goes, That's the

bad news. He says, I have to
leave in four hours. So I'm

like, and he lived an hour away
from me. Oh, no. So I'm like,

okay, get on the phone. I call
Kevin. I call those people. I

just need a couch to stay on for
a couple weeks. This is a great

story, and this I finally threw
a friend of a friend, one of the

most Patricia Conroy, you know,
Patricia? Yeah, I was gonna say,

like, what are the country?
Yeah, she made a few phone calls

for me. Found this girl who had
a condo down in Antioch, had

four bedrooms, but they were all
taken. She goes, if you just

want to stay for a couple weeks,
you know, I'll just charge you

50 bucks a week or something.
Just crash on the couch. Nice.

All right? So I'm like, Oh yeah,
okay, whatever. Yeah. So I said,

I'll call you back. So she calls
me 20 minutes later, says, Can I

give you some advice? She goes,
I can tell you're really unsure

and you're kind of nervous. She
goes, if I can tell you

anything, she goes, if you don't
come right now, the way you're

talking, she goes, you're never
coming here. And I said, that's

all I had to hear. That's great
advice. That was like, yeah. So

I, I packed a backpack, took one
crappy bass with me in the back

of the truck, and, well, how did
that girl know about the music

business and that thing of
coming or not coming? She, well,

she was an aspiring singer at
the time because she owned

condos, and all the people that
was staying in her condo, or,

like, there was engineer guy.
There was a monitor guy, and the

other girl, I think, worked at
Barbara orberson halfway house

for me, up and coming musicians.
They were all, yeah, so I stayed

there for a couple weeks, and I
never went home. Oh, that's

great, man. And you, the thing
is, decision was made because

you were your your balls were to
the wall. I mean, you had four

hours to do this or not? Yeah,

call my brother. I said, Will
you drive me to a place what's

called Sussex in New Brunswick,
and pretty close to, well, not

too close. Did you come with,
like, just your clothes on your

back? I just, I came with, like,
a week's worth of clothes, my

God, and a guitar.

They are a self made man. 25
years with Gary Allen. You're a

homeowner. You're wearing a very
nice shirt. I mean, it's like

those glasses don't look cheap.
I wasn't. I wasn't

wearing this shirt. When I left
the house, my wife said, you

need shirts. Were you

wearing a Carhartt shirt by
chance? No,

not a car. Jim's got them in
every color. I recommend them

highly. That's good. Rich loves
them. I mean, their their

hoodies look very comfortable,
but they're almost too. That.

Okay? They're

very stylish. Now, yeah, tell
you. Tractor Supply is very

posh. I like it, yeah, man,
yeah. So

what was the first job he got,
like, as far as like, like, was

Pam the first No, Kevin, that
Kevin. Kevin guy called me up.

Said, if you're in town, he
says, This is the first week I'm

here. He says, I got a McCarthy,
got a gig in Oh, hi or

something. Are you interested? I
said, Yeah, it's kind of a laid

back like, right up my alley
was, like an acoustic kind of

country, really soft country
stuff. And so I went up there,

and on the gig, there was a
bluegrass musician named Chris

Jones, Andy Hull on drums, Andy
Hall

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That's crazy. The world gets
smaller. How small it gets

because I heard a name on your
show earlier, but so

I had a second gig with them,
and

Chris Jones had asked me if I
wanted to join his bluegrass

band. He was looking for
somebody to play bluegrass. And

I said, Yeah, I played bluegrass
when I was home. I'd love to do

that. So he goes, I also I get
this part time job. He says, at

brugers Bagels. Yes, Erica. He
knows brugers Bagels. And I

almost

went today, did you really
almost? But I said, You know

what? I don't need the bagel.
Well,

I was given a piece of advice
from I think it was either John

Colley or the or Colin Ray's
band. They'd come through my

hometown years before that.
Yeah. I said, Have you ever

moved if you ever moved to
Nashville? They said, swallow

your pride. Get a decent day
job, yeah, and I did. I said,

I'm not I'm not scared. I ain't
scared. So when Chris said, he

said, Not only does this guy pay
well for a bagel shop, he lets

you make your own hours. He
knows we're musicians, he lets

you was it the one over there on
Franklin Road? That one? Yep,

yeah, that's the one I was at
today.

And as soon as I started that
job. They were like family

there, first of all. And then
Chris started a Thursday night,

music night, mostly bluegrass,
but music night, but songwriter.

It started getting bigger. All
these big songwriters are coming

in. You're meeting

a lot of people at a lot of
people there, yeah,

I think because I, because I'd
done 13 years in Canada, like

just non stop. I,

I wasn't. I never played on
Broadway.

He still to this day, you never
went down there. Only time I

played Broadway is

with Gary. Did a couple shows
with Gary, and I wasn't. I'm not

saying that in a bad way. I went
down there to meet people and

stuff, but I thought, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna try to do the day job

thing and work on the road. And
so far, it's worked out, you

know, yeah, well, I'm telling

you what. It's an amazing story.
What is happening down there on

lower Broadway, crazy. I went
there like, three weeks ago to

show some out of towners. They
all want to go down there. Of

course, we got that, like, you
know, Japanese style, um, six

way walk, yeah, corner there.
Like, you know what? I mean,

it's like, people like, Well,

that wasn't a similar when I
moved here, yeah, I wouldn't

have made a it was, it was like,
think Jim from Rascal Flatts,

Jim Riley. He's like, a ghost
town down there. When I moved

here, there was four or five
bars. Maybe it was ghosted.

Now we have, like, bars or
whatever insane, but the bands

down there, they're like, it's
all technology. It's like, it's

like tracks and rolling kits and
iPads and in air monitors, and

everyone's got this curated
playlist, and that includes 90s,

2000s rock and roll. Yeah, yeah.
And if it's really the only

country to really be just on
that corner is laylas and

Roberts. Yeah, right on that
corner. Maybe a little at

Legends. But even still, it's
like, wow, yeah, I rarely go

down there, the metal band down
there that they have to play the

90s playbook. So we're talking
like, Pearl Jam, sound garden,

like all the stuff. And they did
it incredibly well. So what they

do is they had a book, they had
a songbook, so they're playing

whatever they want. And then the
tourists come up and they're

like, Hey, do you guys know such
and such? And they go, these are

the songs we know. So it's
almost like a menu. And then

besides each song, there was the
price to perform the song. Are

you $20 $40 $60 so you could
pay, wow, paid to request a song

a human jukebox.

You ever see the band that does
karaoke, live karaoke? Sure you

seen that. We saw that at Mercy
lounge when we first moved here.

Yeah, yeah. And I always brought
this guy up that loves singing,

like Bruce Dickinson from Iron
Maiden, yeah? And he had a

wandering eye, like a lazy eye,
oh yeah. He'd have, like, you

know, that kind of Yeah, but his
eye would be like, chameleon

hunting and fishing.

I love chameleons,

not as much as octopus.

It's hunting and fishing. That
eye

that's horrible. Is he looking
at me. Maybe he is.

I mean, I mean, I was in the
SPAS Maddox. And, I mean, if the

spasmatics, well, they still
exist. But, man, if they, if the

SPAS Maddox would play down on
lower Broadway, I don't think

they do it. They do mostly
privates, and then they have,

like, a weekly somewhere that
they pack out, but they would

crush it down Well,

I mean, Steel Panther has to
come and play downtown. They've

never done that. I

see a hell of a show. Well, they
would probably play the Ryman or

assembly food hall. I don't

think they'd play some. I saw
the marathon. Music Works, yeah?

So that's more their

venue. That's where I saw them,
yeah, East Side bowl when? Well,

you know, we had Eric Pritchard
on, you know, and he's the

drummer for Megan Maroney. And
it turns out, like I met this

kid at at the Atlantic drum
collective, like, when he was,

like, 12 years old or something,
and now he's Megan Maroney, is

band leader, and they're
playing. There's this brand new

venue in town called the
pinnacle, and it's, I'm excited.

They're playing on April 8 and
ninth, or ninth and 10th, and

hopefully I'm gonna go see the
kid play. You know? Yeah, pretty

crazy. He's

been on your show, yeah? Okay,
sat right there.

It's crazy. Commit right now.
And so he's gonna see him. No,

I am. I think it's gonna happen.
I think he's gonna hopefully. I

think he's gonna come through
for his his old friend. But you

know how it is, it's not every
band gets as many tickets as

they want. Like, I get away with
murder. I have a lot of people

come see our shows. He's like, I
gotta check with my tour manager

and all that. You know, I like,
I'm like, kid, I get it. Kid,

yeah,

I get, oh yeah, we get, we get
the stick with that, yeah, if I

been a long time since I've
asked anybody, but it's like, I

know the deal. Yeah. Say No, I
don't care.

But you know, you got to ask,
yeah, Ask,

and you shall receive. You know
what? I mean, it's like, you

know, not always,

yeah, but every time I ask you,
I give you the out.

Well, except when you know I
need drum gear.

I think the, I mean, you're, I
mean, you're gonna come see us

this year in Michigan, that was
at Pine at Pine knob for four

tickets, buddy. We've got two,
we've got two nights at Pine

knob, the

full service next stage, on
stage greets, hang out in the

Zen room. Use everybody. Just

don't Dick my drums. Okay,

don't Dick my drums. Dick, you
know, like in, like in a step

brothers, don't put your balls
in my drums. Yeah,

one day you just got upset about
that, once it's not gonna

happen. Okay, I haven't even got
the famine, have I talking too

much?

How does, how do you get from
crashing for $50 a week to

working with all these artists?
So, yeah, you're at the fort.

Where am I? Oh, yeah. So, so the
McCarthy sisters, yes.

So the way I got the James Bond
Andy Hall. Andy hole. See, he

was playing with, he was playing
with, what Andy Hall's son? I'm

gonna rewind a little bit,
because there's a name I forgot

to throw out. Yeah, I heard on.
Here's George Lawrence. George

Lawrence, I were you first guy I
met the first week I was here. I

don't remember how I met him.
Super. He says, Why don't you

come out with me meet some
people, I said, so he took me

down to you'll remember the name
of this. So demumbrian, yep. At

the end of the street there was
a bar. Right at the very end was

a country bar, yep, and Mike
Kennedy was in the band, yes,

16th Avenue, something like
that. Hey. He took me. I said,

this is cool, because it
reminded me of home, as all the

country got all the musicians
are hanging and jamming and

playing. That's where I first
heard Keith horn play. And I'm

like, again, what? What is
happening? Yeah, yeah, but, but

it didn't last very much longer
anyway. So I hang out with

George for a little while, and
he goes, you've already got a

gig. I was doing the McCarthy
thing, whatever it was, just,

you know, just a couple of
shows. But then Andy Hall had

started playing with James
bottom me, and they were looking

for a bass player. He said, call
this guy. I did a couple gigs

with him, nice and Andy was
super cool to me because I still

didn't have a car in town. I was
still new in town, no money, and

Andy would come pick me up for
bus call and all that kind of

stuff. The first the first gig I
had with Bonnie, I drove to

opera. Mine to meet the bus, and
it's gonna be my first time on a

tour bus. I'd never been on a
tour bus. Yeah, and I'm waiting

there in the parking lot,
waiting and waiting. And I don't

know if you remember there was a
club downtown, the happy

something, and they had, they
had a Partridge Family bus. Do

you remember that the happy Have
A Nice Day Cafe, have a nice day

Cafe, and they had a Partridge
Family bus? Do you remember that

bus? And just ironically, the
timing, that thing pulls around

the corner, and I'm like, that's
not about You're kidding me. And

then all of a sudden, you know,
the privos comes behind. Was a

Silver Eagle, actually, that
time. But, yeah, what a great

band. That was a great band.
Good bunch of guys. Bonham was

great. So played with him for
about a year, and then did about

a two year stint with Kevin
sharp, yeah, Kevin sharp. Now,

Kevin passed, right? Kevin
passed a few years ago. Yeah,

yeah. I never got the full story
from the guys yet, but,

and then after sharp, that was
Lee Turner, right

to Lee Turner, yeah, who's with
Darius now, yeah, yeah, he's,

he's still there. He was, he was
the band leader when I was

Kevin, yeah. So then after the
Kevin sharp thing was done, I

was sitting at home, back at
brugers, just filling in some

time, yeah, and I get a phone
call from Did you ever work with

Brian hinge cliff, yeah, you
know he had passed a few years

ago. He passed, but he called me
up. He says, Brian, Brian.

Brian. He says, I double booked
myself. Can you cover for me? I

said, Yeah. What? Yeah, it's one
gig. I'll do it for you. It was

with clay Davidson, yeah. Big
guy, big, big guy, kind of

Southern, trying to bring back
the kind of like outlaw vibe.

Great. Singer, yes, powerhouse
singer. And so I learned, I

learned the show they were, they
were going to be opening up for

Mark chestnut down in Biloxi,
Mississippi, yeah. So I learned

the show Brian was off to do.
I'll catch him or somebody, or

the kinleys or something. So I
go do this gig. And on the gig,

I knew the guy, some of the guys
from chestnuts band, and they

said, This is all after Pam. I'm
losing my timeline. That's all

right, yeah. Because after after
sharp is when the PAM thing came

in. I got the phone call to go
audition for PAM, yeah, and I

was and I thought, I'm not gonna
get this gig. I said, just,

well, I just want to go say I
did it. No, that's all. So I

went to work that day brugers,
because my my audition was a

five or six at night, and I went
to work and I left the same work

clothes on bagel doe all over
me. And I walked in there, and

because I was last, she had to
go. And we criss crossed each

other. She goes, You must be
Brian. And I said, I am. She

goes, I gotta go. She's but
they're recording you and

everything. I'm gonna hear it
later on. I said, No, just good

luck in there. So I go in, and
what a killer band. Kevin Adams,

Kevin James Pennebaker, James
Penn guitar, Mike toppins, Mike

Topps, we didn't have Lana yet.
Chicken, chicken, calm, chicken.

Yeah,

most, most steel players in
Nashville gym, they have to have

a nickname that is part of the
barnyard animal family. Steel

players only, yeah, glass. Steel
players, yeah, they got they,

they have nicknames.

They'll they'll tell you they're
a different breed, chicken,

steel players, moose, yeah,

pig. What's your player to play
other instruments, though, if

they really wanted to, of
course,

like, well, like our steel
player can play a little bit of

banjo, acoustic guitar, bass,
same as ours. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Man,

now with drummers, and drummers
get the brunt of jokes and stuff

like that. Oh, I'm getting to
that. Well, I mean, bass players

do too. Oh, yeah, you know,
because if you look at the chart

of girls to people in the band
ratio, you know, typically, the

singers got two girls in each
arm. Tar players got a girl on

each arm, one girl. Drummers got
one girl on an arm, and bass

players by himself.

It really depends on who makes
the chart. It could be made by,

you know? It could be made by a
doesn't

the the drummer leave with the
girl in the song Rosie by

Jackson Brown. You familiar

with that song? I'm not familiar
with that song. But also, like,

I mean, look at, you know, Neil
Young, Cinnamon Girl, the

drummer waits for his girl.
She's a Cinnamon Girl, you

know? Yeah, we're one girl.
People.

Did you guys watch the Bob Dylan
movie? The I started, I

started a show me. I started
last night. Yeah? And the

internet kept going in and out,
in and out. So not impressed. I

finally got, I finally got upset
and said, I'm gonna finish. Got

halfway through. You were
impressed the movie,

yeah. Well, what about his
acting? It's a hard role to

tackle, and he passed. He's
probably filming the dune movies

while he was doing it.

The guy, yeah? Charlotte
Charlamagne,

oh. Timothy, yeah, that's right.
Chalamet galamet,

yeah. I was, you know, I was
never a big Dylan fan the

beginning,

you know. I mean, it's like,
it's poetry, you know. But I

mean, it's interesting to see
with like Pete Seeger and those

other guys. They were passing
the baton, and they were, you

know, they were like, This is
the new, this is the new.

Learn the history what went on.
I was never a big. Bob Dylan

today. So I thought, I'm, I want
to learn as much as I can, like

I didn't know that about much
about John Baez,

yeah. They had a little tour of
love of Yeah, yeah. He

was, we saw them in Hartford,
probably in the late 90s. He was

opening up for

Steel Panther. Anyways.

Paul Simon, okay, yeah, yeah,
that guy's okay. And Paul Simon

was headlining, had gad on
drums. Oh yeah, Gad. But it was

literally like, when's he done
this? It was

a scene. Bob Zimmerman, that's
when I saw, I guarantee

it, Gordon life, I

saw Gordon life, he also

runs the Men's Warehouse. Okay,
okay. How's it go again? Yeah,

I guarantee it.

Hey, man, Men's Warehouse has
gotten my money. They've

China, yeah, you were calling me
Nordstrom, right? Nordstrom

Rack, right from rack,

yeah, man, I love sifting
through that stuff, because

you're like, oh my god, All
Saints for a third off. Sign me

up. Then you have to wait on
that exorbitantly long line that

they're trying to get you to,
like, buy candles and popcorn as

you're leaving.

Yeah? Food, yeah, all the
impulse items, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry, buddy interrupted. That's
so rude.

So

we're at the PAM story, right?
So, yeah. So I got the call for

the PAM thing. I got the call
actually the day my grandfather

passed away, Pennebaker called
me, I'm sorry, and he said I was

in Best Buy. I had to pick up
something Best Buy. He goes, Oh,

you got the gig. I said, I got
the gig like, and I didn't come

really prepared for that gig.
But he said, No, you got the

gig. They liked your sound. They
liked all this whatever. And I

said, Here's, I'm gonna give you
the name and number of the

drummer, rich Redmond. They say
it like that. Probably he would

have said it like rich Redmond,
yes. Sorry, James, yeah. But

actually, Larry and Jeff
Armstrong I work with, yeah,

they've worked long time with
James. So small world. But yeah,

he said, I'm gonna give you the
number so you can call him if

you guys want to get together
before the rehearsals. And I

think I walked out the door and
you were already calling me. I

had the old Nakia phone with the
antenna. Hold up the antenna and

you flip it. He used to make fun
of me about that. Well, it's

amazing. At least you knew when

you hung up the phone it was you
hung up the phone.

Did he say? Oh, that a new
phone.

He goes, dude, you need Rich is
like, we're having lunch one day

downtown. He's, like, you need a
new phone, and we gotta fix some

new glasses too. Remember, you
had these little, little black

glasses. They were like this,
then, oh, what? Who the heck am

I to give advice

back then, gee, you're still
rocking the VO five moment at

that point. No, I What kind

of haircut that I had back then.
It's probably just short. It's

really, really, really short,
short and

Spike, yeah, yeah. Because when
I met you, you were, you were

doing the red Mohawk faux hawk,

yeah. Man, I've had purple and
all that. So they used to make

the like a gel, like, like a
product, but it was colored so

you could change the color of
your your tips every, every day,

red, purple. I don't think

you're doing that when I was
there. No, I don't think so. I

remember those glasses, because
I said, Okay, where do I get

those? He said, I just got them
a couple months ago. He says

they, they cost me 1200

bucks. I said, 12.

It was a piece I went to the
overpriced it's right next to

the record store image optical
on West End. Yes, it was the

most pricey bougie optical place
in Nashville. And of course, the

sales lady was probably really
cute, and she was like, Well,

you know, we have a, you know,
we have a program you could pay

them off or, like, you know,
it's called layaway.

Yeah, I walked in there after
you told me that, like, a few

weeks later, said, I'm gonna go
down. Gonna go down there check

out some frames. I walked in and
there's one lady. She was busy

with somebody, and as she's
walking by me, she says, she

goes, I'll be with you in one
second. And she pulled a pair of

glasses off and stuck them on my
face. Those look great on you.

She kept walking like she just
picked a pair. Didn't even look

at them. Those look great on
you? Hard courses where rich

buys,

yeah, I don't think I would pay
$1,200 for glasses. I because

after that I started probably
going to like, lens crafters or

something like that. Yeah,

Costco, yeah, Costco, yeah. I'm
Tractor Supply. You can't get

glasses of Tractor Supply.

Love Costco. So we

had time. We had fun, man. We
played the wolf den. We played

some big festivals.

We got together, and you're at
your bedroom, and we Yeah, hey,

now rephrase that, yeah, but you
were living with Curt and Tully,

Yep, yeah, in Yeah.

Require this kind of music.

We lived on. We lived on 3309,
quail run court in Donaldson,

tech, Donaldson, Tennessee, your

neighbors own the sitar, right?
Restaurant. The next door

neighbors own sitar. Yeah, I
remember that, yeah. So what you

do in the bedroom?

We worked on the music.

Grab that cheer. It's. And this
is an old trope,

grab your pens, little bit of
paper.

Oh no, no good. And we're not
digging this. I know it's good.

I remember we used to do this,
um, in episode one through 25 of

the rich Redmond show. It's hard
to bring it back and bring it

back in the year two in the year

was 2000 and we worked on me,
Vita loca and shake the sugar

tree. And then, you know,

we played the opry a bit. Played
the

opry a lot, because that was the
year she was being inducted, and

remembered

Vince Gill jumped up on stage
with us, and we worked on the

song backs backstage.

I really like that. Was a new
album. She thunder

and roses. Thunder and Rose.

Really good. And, yeah, he came
out, and I was still, I'm a huge

Vince fan. And yeah, here he was
coming, came in the back

dressing room to rehearse once
with us. Yeah, came out on

stage. We did that. And we did
a, yeah, we did a lot of this,

like a bird

dude. So now he's a, he's like,
a, he's like, doing Glenn fries

part, I believe in the Eagles.
And they're playing, they're

doing a residency at the what's
the thing in Vegas, though?

Sphere? Oh, they're doing
sphere. So is Kenny Chesney.

They're doing a run at the
sphere. That'll be you two. Was

doing that? No, it's been,
YouTube's been doing it.

Nick booth is playing, yeah,
okay, lucky to

do the sphere. Hopefully we'll
do it at some point. I mean, I

think it's going to become more
and more common for the for

bands to do it, but they're
just, you know, getting the

creme de la creme bands like, I
mean, the Eagles, you too.

Green Hill, dead, wow, yeah,
man, yeah, yeah. Well,

we had a blast. But then how
does the thing with Gary Allen

happen? It was so after, right?

So soon after, Pam, that's when
hinge Cliff called me, yeah, and

said, Can you cover for this
gig? And I said, I said, that's

one gig. It's a lot of lot of
stuff to learn. I said, but I'm

not doing anything. Of course, I
wanted to help him out, so I got

on the bus with those guys, and
I was they all went to the back

of the bus. I stay up at the
front to keep working on the

material we do the gig in
Biloxi, Mississippi. I knew a

couple of guys in chestnuts
band, and they came up to me and

said, Are you not with Pam
anymore? And I said, No, I'm not

with Pam anymore. They said. And
then the bass player, Steve

Ledford, Steve led for Steve,
yeah, man. He says, Uh. He says,

I think Gary Allen's auditioning
in like, a couple of days, and I

said, Oh, okay, because I kind
of know them. He says, You want

me to make a phone call? I said,
Sure, yeah. So he went and he

called, he came back, he goes,
they said they're full, or

they're this was a Saturday.
They were auditioning. On

Monday, said they're full, but
because I called, he said

they're going to take one more

nice that was me Steve led for
was always really so good man

about town, that was always like
trying to hook people up with

super good auditions. Isn't it
funny now that that 20 years

later, there are no auditions,
it's mostly like people call

people and they go, you're
perfect for this. Are you

available? Yeah, there's a
rehearsal, and if you don't cut

the rehearsal, you're out. But
most people are just the

professionalism is you know that
you're gonna have to know the

material.

Knows when I play with when I
went out to audition for Bonnie,

they took me right on the road.
There's a few before me. It was

right out on the road, which I
thought was strange. Was like,

what if you don't do the first
night, and you still got two

more nights to go? You know
what? I mean? Yeah, but sharp, I

had to audition for. Am I
auditioned for? But we still do

auditions. I guess mostly it's
more like just to meet the

person I when I call them up, I
say, I know you can play, I know

you're you know through I just
know you can play us the band

leader for Gary, but we want to
meet you. We will play a couple

of tunes, whatever, but we're
going to go hang on the bus

after and we're going to get to
know you. Yeah, because that's

to us, the most important part,
what are you going to be like on

the bus? On the bus?

Because that's the 23 hours. You
know, the 24th hours is an

expectation. But another small
worldishness thing, and

something that we have in common
is that in before I got the odd

four, I think I even moved to
Nashville, or right after, I did

audition for Gary Allen, I think
you told me over at the woodshed

in East Nashville, which is
probably like a Bougie

restaurant. Now, is

that that two story building?
Okay, that's where I edition for

Kevin sharp,

yes, and I and it was, what was
Gary's record? Chrome plated

hard or broken hard something
was early on. Well, the first

one was used hard for sale. Used
her for sale. So that was his

traditional first record. I'm
auditioning. I'm like, I think

my friend Craig flew in from,
you know, Los Angeles. I saw

some familiar faces auditioning.
Lee Kelly got the job. Oh,

Lee got that job. He was the
drummer when I when I started.

So I went, went in for my
audition. Lee was the drummer.

Super nice to me, yeah, just, I
got the jam with him. Gary was

doing some benefit for what's
the guy that Lee plays with

named Kendall? Some Kendall, he
wrote right where I need to be,

forgetting his name. But I went
down there with Gary said, I'll

get up and jam with you, you
know. And Lee was playing drums

and just solid. Just, he said, I
haven't played this in. Years. I

didn't believe this. Yeah, I
can't do my Lee Kelly

impersonation, but he just, man,
he was, Well,

Lee Kelly has got a southern
accent. He does, yeah, yeah. You

know, we had him on the show,
maybe, I don't know, 20 episodes

ago or something. Just so great
to catch up with him. But you

know, he's a lifer. You know
you're a lifer, yeah? So when

you get the gig, you're not the
band leader right away, but you

eventually become the band
leader. Gary

approached me somewhere up north
and asked me if I wanted to do

and I'm

like, I don't know, what are my
responsibilities? Yeah.

He said, Well, if you don't take
it, I'm gonna give to somebody

else. I said, Okay, I'll give it
a try. But as band leader, seems

like that

thing pretty much runs itself,
right? You got to come up with

intros, outros, endings. Outros,

endings. No, everybody I have,
when I said, when we go into

rehearsals, it's everybody,
everybody has democratic

process. Yes, yeah, everybody's
doing that. It's nice. So look

at these great drummers you've
had. Seth Roush, Seth rush,

currently with Carrie Underwood,
yeah, Matt Billingsley,

currently with Taylor Swift.
Here he's doing well, yeah. Tim

Horsley, who had did some time
with Keith Urban, Tim was with

us forever. Tim was with us
seven or eight years. Yeah,

and Dana, drum roll, timpani,
live from Hollywood, California.

Larry bed now, now we're gonna,
we're gonna, we're gonna totally

make Larry Babb blush, even
though he will never listen to

this. Probably

very bad, very bad. Some nights
he has to set up my air drumming

set.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Larry Jim, I
would love to have Larry Babb on

this show. Yes, he should. I
don't know if he would do it.

I'll bring him here. He is so
shy. See when he sees this, he's

laughing already. He is so awe,
shucks. And he is one of the

most underrated drummers in this
city. He's a real he's a

monster. When I saw him play
with big and Rich, I was like

whole just, when did he play
with them? Crushing it.

He played with us for a while,
left us to go play with, I

forget who it was. And then he,
before he came back with us, he

did a stint with big and rich
again.

He put the Wreckers. Maybe, did
he put the Wreckers or one of

those country alt girls, or it
was like a girl, it was a flavor

of the moment girl. She maybe
had a couple of singles, but I

remember that. But I watched him
play side of stage with bigger

rich. I was like, This guy is
owning

this Oh, when I Yeah, it was a
different show than what we do.

And he was just like, Who's that
guy? Yeah.

And then when he it's like,
larger than life, and then he

gets off the drums and and he's
like, Oh, shucks, you know,

don't, don't try to give him a
compliment. Oh no, that's

kind of like you. You're an aw
shucks guy. There are a lot of

people that have been on lately
that have sung your praises,

because you spoke into their
lives in a positive you made a

positive impact. Per your
mantra, makes

such a positive impact, and I
incorporate him in my in my ear,

drumming show, okay, do it? Give
me a twirl? Well, it's not just

the twirl. It's the Lake

of the stick right lick. Let's
all do it.

I want to get some of your

you get all those kind of
noises. Why aren't you doing an

album? Just those noises? I

because I've watched a few of
your interviews with

drumming on the rich red shoe.
I'm

usually doing metal, though,
yeah, I gotta put on the show.

Oh, yeah. So,

like, like, 80s, sunset, strap
metal. Like, like, Well, my

first, my first go to is a
Canadian rock band from the 80s.

All that he's not, you're not
gonna get you're not gonna get

it. You're not

gonna get it.

Triumph, honeymoon suite. Well,
that's a new go. I got a

new girl that's definitely on
the playlist. That's definitely

on the playlist. Dude I used to
play with the drummer out of

Halifax. He's not the original
drummer. Original drummer of a

crate. And don't, yeah, play
with them for a while. I think

he played on the live album. I
think, yeah, is hein? But yeah,

honey, they're still doing it.
They're still doing it. You're

still doing it. My first, my
first go to is a little band

called Coney hatch. You remember
that? No,

no, I know Coney Island. I just
Coney

hatch, a little song called
Monkey Bars. Yeah,

yes, but what's the beat?

Just kind of like a, kind of
like the new girl now,

where you're always kind of like
a closeted drummer, maybe, maybe

ever sit down to play it a kid?

When this starts to speak after
a show, yeah? When it speaks a

lot then, then the kind of in
the old days, I'm retired now,

yeah, drumming kind of retiring,
yeah,

sat down, real drum. No, really,
actually,

a few years ago, Gary had owned
kit, dw, kit, nice, my air

drumming kit is always a odds,
Canadian, oh, Canadian, yeah.

That that'll be my favorite. My
favorite ones were the, is it

Northfield? North

drums north

I just did the wood stick drum
festival outside of Seattle, and

one of the dudes had no North
kit. Are you serious? Billy

Willie, that I told you about my
friend? Yeah, you had one?

I yeah, I went to see Burton
Cummings in concert years ago,

back in the early 80s, maybe,
yeah, and his drummer had,

that's the first time I'd seen
that takes up a lot of space,

and I thought it was the coolest
thing. Then I saw that cases for

him. Burton was playing his
piano, and I was doing

something. He was looking at
something on the piano. I said,

I What is he doing? So I, I was
in the bowl section, so I walked

down, I could walk on the floor,
and I went up there. And how

Canadian is it that he was
watching the Stanley Cup

playoffs on a little TV, on his
piano while he was doing the

concert?

Oh, my god, wow. Yeah. Well, so
you did play hockey for some

time, right?

12 to 13 years. I mean, you're
formerly youth,

and your youth, it's dangerous.
I'm surprised you have all your

teeth.

I started when I was five in
Massachusetts. Was a goalie.

That's a lot of pressure, man,
goalies, goal, yep, what? But as

soon as I moved to Canada, I
wanted to be on the ice. So got

on the ice. I pretty much was a
defenseman. Most of my when I

got, when I was getting to high
school, I was losing interest. I

was getting more into music, and
I just, I was just losing the

interest of hockey, but I wanted
to play at least one year high

school, and I did. These guys
are getting really serious,

really serious. Yeah, very fast,
and I was just my heart wasn't

there, so I finished after that
and didn't go back.

Are you still a fan rock? I'm
not a big, big fan. I follow

my dad is my dad's been waiting
for the Toronto Maple Leafs to

win the Stanley Cup. Think the
last time they won was like, 40

years or 60s or something.

Because did you realize you
probably don't know this about

me. We talk about athletics
sometimes when we talk about

your speed skating career, and
what else did you do? Wait

a second. I didn't know that.
What's What's this now, I had

like, a one year of trying to go
very fast around the ice.

Have you ever seen him roller
skate?

I think I saw a video online
when I used to disco roller

skating. I'm pretty good. Yeah,
okay, we're going, pretty good.

We're going, Dude, you're damn
good. We're gonna

go to the skate center in
Brentwood. We're gonna do some

roller derby, dude. The funny
thing is, is that we like, like,

I went Kara and I went to go to
the skate center, the Brent went

there, and we were thinking, you
know, it's gonna, they're gonna

be playing disco music, like
most skating players, yeah, but

they were playing like, you
know, Dua Lipa and, you know,

Kyle, you know, all the, I want

to hear

Bruno Mars, all that stuff,
yeah, I, actually,

I played hockey, yeah, I did,
but it was roller hockey. You're

from Connecticut, aren't you? I
am okay. So we played in a

Costco parking lot or Home Depot
parking lot. What part of

Connecticut?

Danbury. Danbury, western side.
My aunt and uncle live there

right now, and I'd have to look
in my phone. It's very close to

Danbury,

Brookfield, New Milford, no
Bethel, no Greenwich, Stamford,

reading. They

used to be in Stanford, but
there, I'll look it up before I

leave.

Yeah, but Waterbury, water, I
think it's water. Yeah, it's

there the town halfway between
Danbury and Hartford.

Yeah, they have the berries and
the ports, yes, okay, we have

the bills. Well, you had the
Hartford and the Hartford

Whalers back the Hartford whale,
way back when, way back on the

water whale, the Carvel cake.
Then we

had the Danbury trashers, which
was run by James. He was owned

by James Galanti, who ran
automated waste disposal. Okay,

and apparently he was the model,
as the lore goes for Tony

Soprano, really, his son is even
named AJ.

There's a lot of Mafia in waste
disposal, oh yeah, because they

could dispose of a lot of things
in that business. It's

funny. You say Tony sobrino
during the pandemic, you know,

we're trying to find my wife,
trying to find something to

watch. And she goes, Why don't
we start the surprise? I never

seen the sopranos really like,
that's just too long. And I

said, Okay, let's watch it. It

holds up. Glad I did amazing,
unbelievable.

It's funny, because the
technology, yeah, it's dated.

That's what bothers me about
watching it, because when

they're dated like that, but it
was still, what

do you mean flip like the Yeah,
pay phones, just this, you know,

it's not up. It's 20 some odd
years. What about six in the

city

she watched? I mean, yeah, I get
sucked into that.

In the sopranos, there's, I want
to say it's a second season

where they're trying the FBI is
trying to bug his house. And you

remember the song that they
played, the Peter Gunn police

mashup? I don't, I don't think,
oh, but you've ever heard that

Peter Gunn, which

I'll be watching. Okay, I can't
remember

that. I'm gonna

look for it. Yeah, yeah. Jim's
gonna do his Joe Rogan, assist,

love it. Love it. Hey, get on
there, kid. Hey. Um, so. All

these drummers you've worked
with, um drummers, what is the

common thing that makes you want
to get on stage with with one of

these guys? Is it like a common
thing? Is it like their energy,

their their their groove? Is it
their personality off the drums

or like, what are you looking
for when you have to audition a

new drummer for Gary Allen,

I'm back in the oh, there it is.
That

almost saved the question,
right?

I found it Unit Five. Do a
visual contact. You've never

heard this.

I've played this song a million
times.

Listen to this blend. It's one
of the one of the best mashups.

Yeah, you blend, your blend

unit one, approximately one
minute, you'll have the made

great Jetta, SC team, the
location read, secure. You have

one hour and 30 minutes.

Wow. Perfect template, great.
Yeah, and they say even with the

guitar, strum.

Oh, right. Maybe

I'll include this at my playlist
when I start DJing for $10,000 a

pop.

That could be the Here comes the
bride.

DJ, Redmond

is coming. Seriously, yeah,
what's DJ? What does he want to

play? Well,

I'm only doing 50 shows a year
with Aldi. I got six months to

go do weddings,

50 or 60 shows with Gary. So
maybe, maybe that we could do

the tag team. Yeah, dude,

if you can sell $10,000 DJ
wedding, I'll, I'll be your

assistant to help you set up.
Okay, and I'll

only charge you $1,000 I'm
telling you, this is what these

guys are getting paid, dude, if
you can make it happen, I'm

serious, I'll help you with
that. Nice. Yeah, I'll set

everything up, and you just show
up and I'll be a roadie. Oh,

you're gonna be my the John Hall
of my DJ equipment. All right, I

can totally do that. It's
amazing. That's amazing. So, you

know what? You don't have to
worry about the the drumming

question, because it's the whole
thing, it's like so they have to

be, they have to be affable,
they have to be able to take

direction. They have to have
good time. They have to know the

material, like all that stuff,
yeah. And they mostly have to be

a great hang. All these dudes
are cool dudes. They're all

great, all great guys. It's that
hang comes back to be the best

musician in the world. If you
can't, you can't live on that

bus. Yeah, you can't get along.
What

does that mean? You can't get if
you just know, just, you know,

how do you define that? And how
do you train somebody to be a

quote, good hang. Is it just
instinct? Is it just it can be

taught, you know? Well, what

some of the things are like,

Well, you've been with Tony and
Kurt all these years together.

It's

like a shared space, right? So
everyone's like, you know,

everyone has to, like, share the
space, and someone's got to put

their butts somewhere. And then,
you know, you, you throw your

trash away, you wipe the
counter, you know, you lift the

lid, you take your shoes and you
put them next to your bunker,

under the bunk. We don't, we
don't do any of that, yeah?

Really, just kind of like being
tidy, you know? Yeah, it's just,

I'm trying to think of the best
way to say

it. But every every band has its
own culture. Every tour bus has

its own culture.

Oh, absolutely, every business
has its own culture. The biggest

thing is, I speak on,

did you guys ever have to hire
someone that he's just, like,

No, this ain't gonna work.
There's

when we are trying to find

the jack character, Jack size,
more, yeah, we went through many

people, yeah,

yeah, yeah. It's just, it's
just, and sometimes, a lot of

times you make a mistake, like,
there's a lot of good people out

there that we've had and just
different guys are like, No, I

don't think it's going to work
out. And we just, you

know, but, but Jack was familiar
with you guys, especially the

core, because of Amy Daly and
stuff like

that. I met Jack in 1998 because
I played with his wife, Amy

dahli, and then I also saw Jack
with House of dreams on RCA with

Tom Hurst on drums, and Britain
Cameron singing. Tom played with

us for a short while, right? Oh,
yeah. Tom

played with us. Yeah. Well, if
you ever need another guy, man,

I'm coming out of hiding. I'm,

yeah, that's right. I'm bad. I
feel bad that I didn't mention

Tom Hurst.

Oh, Tom's a great mention. Jim
McCarthy, either

Jim, you're so busy you can't,
you can't be gone. 150 days

a year is how much you guys are
playing. If you

do 50 shows, you might be gone
as much as 120 days or something

with travel.

Well, my, my, I'm here to
replace you. Okay.

Oh, you got a hick down? Down,
yeah, he's got it. He learned

kick down. Oh, yeah. Jim can
play naturally by feel like so

many things I can

remember. I only I memorized by
hearing, yeah,

how many songs are you guys
doing in that's pretty much me?

Well, I can chart, but I but
it's mostly from

you have to memorize to, just
like I do. Yeah, I'm a I'm an

audible, uh.

What's that? An audible

learner? Yeah? So, yeah, right,
even when I memorized an entire

George Carlin bit and passed off
as a college project one time,

wow. Love George, yeah. I mean
the nuances, the inflections,

the tempos, everything. When I
started selling cars with

Mercurio, yeah, they wanted, you
know, it was one thing to sell

the car. You had to then convert
to selling all the other stuff,

the mop and slop, the extended
warranty, all that stuff. And I

didn't know how to really frame
all that stuff. So I put my

phone in front of Mike, and I
said, Give me your spiel. And he

sold, like, four products. I
recorded it. I listened to it

over and over.

I didn't know that Mike was
selling cars before he got into

the Yeah, financial I met a
racket. Oh, okay,

yeah. He was one of the people
that was nice to me in the

business.

Jim has done a lot of things
over there. I see that. Yeah.

What year did you move here? Oh,

five. I was in radio from 97 to
13, which is how well you and I

met via MySpace because you
wanted a voiceover lessons. Yep,

we never well, I've coached you
in voiceover. I've never given

you a lesson.

No, I've never taken a lesson. I
just tell him, Hey, I got a job.

And then he introduces me. I
coach him. Yeah, he'll be like,

go up on inflection.

Mainly, it's, it's Oh, for
Christ's sake, rich, what? Just

say it like this, yeah,

yeah, yeah. And I'll do Oh, and
then I'll give him portion of my

profits. And then I go, Oh, God,

amazing. They're actually paying
you for this. You're

getting on the bus tonight.
Getting on the bus

tonight. Yeah, yeah, going to
Georgia. I think we're in

Georgia. Tifton. Tifton,
Florida. Georgia Line. Jelly

Roll in Florida. Nice fort.
Lauderdale, oh, that's

gonna be crazy. Talk about a
drummer, my goodness. Cody ash.

He's great.

Yeah, you did an interview with
him. Didn't, yeah, I think so,

yeah, yeah. I regret missing

that one, because that was one
of the that was probably the

ones I had to, I had something
that popped up, and you made it

a, just a, you a solo,

yeah? So zoom, zoom, via zoom.
We like this in person thing.

It's just neat, because we'd
smell each other musk, you know,

we could really, it's great.
Yeah, you got three cameras

going, right? It's an amazing
thing. So how many dates this

year, buddy?

I think, I think we usually do
about 65 Yeah, that's a

comfortable thing for Gary. 65
ish, yeah, yeah. You

know, I'm good for that. Yeah,
you know, quarter million

dollars a year tell Larry,

which is tell Larry,

dude, say hi to Larry for me.
And you know what, Jim and I,

we've got a date. Saturday
night. We're going to the

mission cigars fifth anniversary
party

where I went with you. Mission,
yes. Mission cigar, I wish

you were there. I wish you were
coming. We

need to invite our friend Luis.
Last

time I went to you know Luis
Espaillat, I've never met him.

Oh my god, I've never met him.

He's like, you have to meet
Brian, all

of our bass players here. He
lives in

West Nashville, yeah, okay,
okay. He's gonna drive out here

and smoke scars. He came out

and hung out with my wife and I
Okay, because he came into the

room when, before we interviewed
him, and we kind of looked at

each other. He was he might have
been earlier. Maybe we were

running late, yes, but I looked
right at him. Michael, stare

toes, yeah, yeah. I instantly
like them. Same thing with you.

I mean, it's like, oddly for the
bass players,

you know, it's really great, is
it? Well, air drum, everybody

that is in my life

is a good person. Everybody in

my life is a wonderful person.
Oh, for the most part, you know

what? I mean, everybody that's
getting invited on this show is

a wonderful person, because if
you're not, you

ain't getting on the present
company.

Amazing. Hey, what's your
favorite color? Favorite color?

Yeah, oh, probably green. Oh, my
gosh, breaking the street. Nice.

A nice

yeah, we had a lot of blue,
like, well, I'm wearing blue. We

only 20 blues. No, that's nice.
That's a nice, deep, uh, indigo

blue, which is sexy. What about
food? Which are you and I have a

lot of tacos together. But
what's your favorite, uh, food

or dish?

I'm a big seafood I'm from the
lobster capital of the world,

lobster roll, man, yeah, I'm a
big seafood guy. Scallops. Love

it. Fried clams. I love fried
clams now. Um, lobster, lobster.

Yeah, it's funny, because when I
was born in Haverhill, I had the

accent because I was born there,
and I went to school up to grade

two, and when I moved back, when
I moved to Canada, I got teased

because I was saying cat, and my
father and stuff like that, back

to cat. And I finally lost that,
and I come here and they're

making fun of me for saying,
Sorry,

sorry. How Canadians get
anything done? Because all you

do is apologize. I was here

for like two weeks. I was at
Kroger on in Antioch. I had to

get stamps or something like
that. The girl said I got a

glove for a second. I think she
had these bathroom or something.

I'd be right. Actually put the
be back in five minute sign. Now

there's a lineup forming behind
me, and there was an older lady,

three or four people back, and
she goes, is anybody here? And I

said, Oh, she she was. She just
had to go out and vote for a

second. And she goes,

you're Canadian. You're one of
those. I'm already Canadians.

And I'm like, Are You Psychic?
Or I had no idea. Like, hey,

you know what? I gotta go. I I'm
going back to drumeo, which is,

um, I forget which province is
very west.

I believe that might be West. I
know that you've been the

Sabian, which is a very right.
That's my that's my province

over

on that. So anyways, I gotta go
back to drumeo for the first

time in seven years. Do
Canadians hate us right now or

museum? I can have a hard time
getting in getting out. I mean,

you're

gonna pull me in that you're
gonna pull me in that debate. We

don't get political here.

Oh, sorry, that's right, that's
right. No politics. But anyways,

I hope I can get in and out
quickly. But you know, I'm going

for work, which is, should be a
problem, and they're gonna give

me

all the relevant paperwork. Just
say, just say, you know me,

yeah, that's what I did. You
guys know the Arsenal family,

yeah, yeah. Biffa, yeah.

Just, just, you know, say,
really rounded out words, hey.

So I haven't asked this in some
time, and it could stumble. You

could stumble on it. If you
stumble, no problem, we'll move,

move on. But what's your
favorite song of the moment or

all time. What's something that
you will continually visit song

wise? Um, it's

not looking good, Jim. So it's a
tough question. What do you

think? What do you think I'm
gonna say?

I mean, I'm I didn't get around
to asking you your favorite

bands, so I would probably no

rush. Are you gonna say rush?
Yeah, I'd have to say April, if

it was a song, April. Ryan
grape, Barenaked Ladies. Great.

Another Yeah. Saw them in their
first year.

Big Bang Theory theme.

That's not true. Barenaked
Ladies, though. I'm gonna

stick Canadian. I'm gonna go
with the band. The weight.

Oh, wow. That is incredible. If

I'm driving, that song comes on.
That's cranking. Robbie

Robertson, yeah, take a load of

dude. Incredible. Now, what's
your favorite film of all time,

or of the moment?

I like, geez, I like comedies. I
love action. But if you said

favorite film. There's a film
that I really like that. I

There's a film called, have you
seen green book?

Oh, yeah, but the upright bass
player with this upright bass

player, but Sebastian Maniscalco
in it? Yes, he

has a small part in it. Yeah,
it's about. It's about. It's

actually true, based on true
stories. Of course, Courtney's

mother knew the guy. That's a
nice film, really small world.

It's, it's a tugs at your
heartstrings and great, great,

great movie, great message about
it, and everything. That's

credible movie. But I love being
tugged on my heart string. But I

love action, you know, like, I
like the Jason Bourne series

totally. I love comedies. I like
any

kind of Jason, stay them.

Stay them. I Jason Statham.
They're kind of all the same

movie,

they are. But, I mean, he just
so good at doing, you know what

to expect?

Yeah, I'm a regular guy.

He's kind of like the John Wick
stuff. I like the first one, but

then

I like the first one, yeah, but
then it got gratuitously

violent. I'm

a regular guy. You have a past,
and I used to be really, you

know, into fighting and guns,
and I just want to be left alone

and keep my bees. Is that the
Christopher Walken? That's Jason

Statham. Oh, that state of me
doing that. I don't know why he

sounds like this.

That's actually a horrible
impersonation, but there's a

cross between Trump and walking.
I think he

definitely is walking. Okay, so
those are great. So your colors.

You got your green, you got your
What did you say for food?

Because it's seafood, fried
clams. Dude that in Nashville,

good clam chowder. Doing good
you gotta,

you gotta be up New England or
up north, anything north. His

name is like Chinese. I love
Chinese food, but the more north

you go, I don't know. Why

did I say drink. I think I know
it's

good little bourbon. Where do we
start? Yeah, good. What he

brought I like, well, I like
bourbon and like what? I like

Scotch in the wintertime, yeah.

Oh, you said scotch. You said
scotch, yeah. So Brian, it was

so sweet. He bought us a couple
bottles of basil Hayden. They're

up there on the shelf, right
there.

Yeah. So, getting back to
chowder. Real quick. Chowder,

chowder. The last time my I had
some New England Clam Chowder,

believe it or not, which was
amazing, Grand Central Terminal,

really? Yeah. Oh yeah. You

were telling me about that.
Yeah. You know, I think a Grand

Central I think about the old
joke about, hey, I'm gonna make

you clean the toilets at Grand
Central. You know what I mean?

Or probably in the 70s when it
was awful. Yeah, it's very

bougie, right?

Is it bougie? Now, nice. We were

there, uh, February of last
year, and it was Courtney. Had a

lobster roll and I had, yeah, it
was like, just how I remember it

straight climb chatter, yep. I
think the last climb chowder I

have was probably in the
Portland Maine airport, or

something like that.

I just right, yeah. But did you
get, is it good pizza in Boston?

Yeah, I love the that's

my favorite pizza in Boston.
Really,

I don't know why. Why is it kind
of like New York style with a

thin slicers? Yes.

Okay, yes. And I just don't know
what it is, and I can't find

anywhere here that duplicates
it. Hey,

New York pizza. You can't find
New York. I mean, Nellies and

Joey's, when they first opened,
Nellies very first opened it,

not so much. Now they've changed
it. Frankie's is good. Where's

frank it's next to Home Depot.
It's like, just on the other

side of where Nellies is. We got
to go to Frankie. Okay, yeah,

okay. Sal's isn't bad. Salvos
here,

yeah, because we have two or
three sales locations in

Nashville. But out here the
salvo we've got salvos, which, I

think it's the same company

in the same Plaza as the
mission.

What's the place downtown that
closed last year that everybody

was going to?

Oh, Joey's. Joey's closed. They
used to closed up shop, and,

believe it or not, they hung a
sign on the door. Didn't tell

anybody that they were doing.
They just wanted to. They were

just done. You know, they put a
sign on the door, and, like,

everybody was pissed, like, to
the point where the news

channels came out. Thank you for
20 years pretty much. Yeah,

we're done. But now they have a
place out in Murfreesboro. Oh,

I'm gonna screw it up. Emerald,
it's like, the Maka Bella, it's

like, it's an event space, yeah.
And they actually will cater

nice Joey's house of pizza,
really? Yeah? Okay, I had that

family on my podcast, those
Macca family.

Oh, did you really, yeah? I only
great people. I went there once,

maybe twice, and they said,
Well, wait, we go in there. And

it was just like, it's

entertaining, entertaining. It's
entertainment because, I mean,

literally, the mom will be
taking the orders. Crescenza,

yeah. And the daughter is, you
know, like, Paul the second,

fourth, unbelievable. And like,
you know, the you come in, like,

what'd you get out on here? Hey,
honey, what do you want? What

would you like? Oh, yeah, it's
alive. You remember going there

in Brentwood. It's got a lot of
character. Remember? Yeah, you

gotta take your pills and we go
get some pizza.

Yeah, gotta take my lactates. I
keep that lab in business.

Buddy, tell you what you got any
food allergies? Are you just

great? You got an Iron Stomach?

No. Allen, no, not. That's
great. You know what? My

allergies were bad when I was in
Canada, when I moved down here,

yeah, they all went away, nice
someone, someone told me, they

said, Give that a little while.
And I said, whatever. And about

four or five years later, it's
not as bad as it used to be, but

a little bit came back. So I
think, I think May and November,

my May is my worst month. Itchy
eyes. Oh yeah, guys, make great.

What is the Who are your
favorite bait? Like, what got

you to pick up the bass? Who are
your favorite bass players?

I remember the first time. You
know what? I remember the first

time I picked up the bass, buddy
of mine. We were just teenagers,

got a call to go audition for
this little country band, just a

female singer and her drummer
buddy, and He, God love him. He

didn't know how to play that. He
was great guitar player. He

really didn't know how to play
bass. But he said, Will you go

over with me? Says, I'm gonna
try this out. Sure. So I went

over there and he should I wish
I had this base. To this day,

she had a base. It was like a
Sears thing, stranger, like two

to three inches off the neck.
And when I had learned a guitar,

I learned I didn't like playing
with a pick. I always played

with my fingers, finger style,
but I would listen to the

country tunes, and I'd pick up a
little bit of the bass lines,

you know, just simple stuff.
Anyway, he as my friend I say,

long story short, and my friend
Glenn Cunningham would say,

You're too late. So Steve tried
to play bass. He auditioned for

this gig, whatever. And there's
like, he's he stopped. He said,

this, this is not going well. He
says, I can't do this. And she's

like, she's all cool, whatever.
So we're leaving. And he sees

this, 1950s Les Paul, original
Les Paul in the corner. And he

goes, whose is that? She says,
My dad got me that for my

birthday a few years ago. I
really never played. He goes,

Can I try it? Because Go ahead.
So he picks it up. He gets the

guitar. She goes, I was going to
hire guitar player anyway. She

goes, I didn't know you can play
guitar. And she looks at me. She

goes, Do you play bass? And I
said, not really, but I'll try

it. So I picked it up and I
played root, just root fifth,

and just those little pickup
lines. We started the band right

then and there. Nice the next
day, we were all excited. Just

teenagers, we go in the next day
to learn 30 or 40 songs just to

make a set. And didn't I find
the we had the recorder play

recording those old tapes, we
hit play and record. And didn't

I find that tape in my attic?
Oh, my God, you gotta use that

to a digital format. It already
is, yeah, that's incredible,

yeah. So it's comical, you know,
yes, yeah. But anyway, yeah. As

time went on, I started
listening to, oh, well, I was

getting into rock a little bit,
you know, being in Canada, I saw

all the Canadian bands. Yeah,
they all came to the Coliseum

down the street. I remember
going to see the lover boy, and

they had this opening act. We
never really paid attention the

opening acts. Never knew the
names. So we were there. I'm

just three, three deep at the
front row with my friends,

whatever. You know. And we're
waiting for this opening act,

the band comes out, and they're
jamming. I'm like, where's the

singer? And all of a sudden this
guy comes through us, pushing us

like we're thinking, he's trying
to get to the front of the

stage, like he's trying to get
to the stage. He was trying to

get to the stage. There's a
young guy named Brian Adams, 18

or whatever. He got up there,
and he blew us away, still doing

it, still doing it, still
singing the same key, but he got

up there. So lover boy, stop
trying. From their heyday when

they had laser light shows was,
yeah, I've never saw rush. Never

saw rush living. How can you be
a bass player? I know never saw

rush. I did go see I did go see
him. Get it. Oh, he's right,

yeah, he's right. But I did go
see giddy Lee was doing a book

signing a couple years ago
downtown, at that basement. So I

thought I bought the book, this
beautiful book of all these

bases he's collected. And I went
down there because he was going

to sign, he's going to do a
little speaking thing, whatever,

and he was going to sign the
books. So I go down there not

thinking to myself, what's,
what's the new base? The big

one, that's the base, basement
east. That's east, right, yeah,

what's the original one? Called
just the basement of the

basement? Yep, just the base.
And then Grimes was upstairs.

Okay, so I go to the basement
East. I when I had to park like,

10 blocks away, I thought, Uh
oh, this is probably going to be

packed. This place was super
packed. And then he gets up

there to do a little bit of a
question and answer with two of

his producers, or whatever, and
then they started asking

questions. And it reminded me
of, did you ever see the SNL

skit where William Shatner comes
out to the it's all the Star

Trek nerds, whatever,

and they're asking guys, you
need to move on. Have you ever

kissed a girl so

so these people are saying, the
one lady, God love her. She gets

up, she goes. So my 12 year old
son is learning to play the

bass. Do you have any any advice
for him? And, you know, get his

like this with his, get the
glasses. Dad's like practice.

He's just, he couldn't have been
any more enthused that now that

night, anyway, he he goes to
sign the books, and they start a

lineup, and I'm way at the back
because I didn't want to be up.

I'm way at the back wall, yeah.
And I thought this is probably

going to take an hour, four
hours later, oh my gosh. I like,

I wanted to get that book sign.
That's what I was there for,

like, so I go up there. I
finally get up there, he's like,

What do you want? Cat? Can
imagine how tired he is just

signing these books. Yeah. And I
said, Hey, Gideon from, I'm from

Moncton, New Brunswick. I said,
big, big, big fan, whatever. And

he's just and he's writing and
he's writing and he's writing,

and I'm thinking, He's man, he's
writing a book for me, whatever.

And it passes the book back
over. Says, Thank you, whatever.

And I'm scooted out whatever. I
walk all the way back to my car,

10 blocks, where I get in there,
I open this up to read it, and

it says, Thanks, Brian. No way.
That's all. It's wanted to

keep making it look like you, I
don't know. Yeah, thanks, Brian.

He's

kind of a jokester, but I mean,
four hours of signing books, Oh,

I get it torture. Oh,
absolutely,

did he hide it? He made it look
like he was writing all this

stuff. And then he just, I

couldn't see that, like where he
was. I just could see that his

hand was going like this. I
thought he's writing a book

there, or whatever. And then it
was, I should have brought the

book to show you. It just says
thanks. Brian had a little

smiley face. That's amazing. And
then they used to play less than

a mile down from where I grew
up, at a was a French college

down there. They played the what
they had the first drummer,

John. John was

the first drummer, working man,
rutsy, run, see,

he went on. He went

on, he went to be a bodybuilder.
Oh, really, yes, like Joe Pisco.

Oh, really. And, you know, but
it's funny. It's like, does he

kick himself for not seeing it
through the Pete Best? Would

they have been? Would they have
been as big without Neil? I

doubt it. Oh,

I doubt it. I always tease.
Hilarious. I'm more of a ROTC

guy. Does Larry? Oh yeah, I
think that's what he first. I

could be wrong, but I think
Larry's bacon, like, like, one

of my favorite bass players is
Jimmy Johnson, and plays with

Lee Sklar, plays with James
Taylor, yeah, and I had no idea,

because I don't follow the
music. Larry falls, but Fleming

the BBs, I think is okay. And
the James is cool. And so he

introduced me to that when I
told him I like Jimmy Johnson,

and Larry listens to a lot of
that stuff. Yeah, yeah. He'll be

on the plane. What are you
writing? Charting out some drum

thing, and there's no white left
on the paper. It's just all

black, all black.

That's amazing. I got, we have
to get Larry on the show. I

mean, you have to, oh my God,
he's just such a well, he's just

such a good drummer. Can

I? Can I be on two at the same
time? I'll just sit there and

not say a word, sit right there.
Yeah, they got the third chair.

I'll be right there. Yeah. Well,
because he's shy, he's super shy

bringing up. I'll bring two or
three more of those bottles.

He's, he's super shy. I'll make
it even better. I'll play. Air

drums.

Have him sing it, and then you
play the air drums. You guys

must have a super fun bus. But
hey, I was gonna tell you

tomorrow. I got a tracking day
over at my friend Tony Morris.

You know Tony was on the show.
He's the first guy in Nashville

to float the floors and put a
studio in his garage. It sounds

like the power station in New
York. It's incredible. So I'm

doing four tracks for a singer
songwriter, kind of a rock, rock

and roll kind of a thing. Lee
Sklar is gonna play big. Get out

of here? Yeah, he's here
tomorrow. No, he lives in

Pasadena, so my I'll be tracking
in Franklin. Then we'll take my

drumming and turn it into little
ones and zeros and send it over

the internet. Waves.

You asked me a favor. Lee was my
first inspiration, right?

Lee was the stuff on Carole
King's tapestry, anything

he's done, like running on empty
by Jackson Browne is like one of

my top five albums, and he's
just anything he does. I got to

meet him briefly. He was playing
nice as God. He was doing a show

with Harry Shearer's wife,
forgetting her name, right?

Harry Shearer, Harry Shearer's
wife, yeah, final tap, right?

Yeah. She's a great piano
player. And he was just, it's

just the two of them. Just the
two. I need some drums. Yeah,

that's one of my favorites. But
yeah, he played there. He's so

smooth. And then when Jimmy
Johnson took over his spot, and

James Taylor is just, just the
bands with Steve Gadd. And I

remember going to see James
Taylor at TPACK, and I didn't

know who the drummer was. I'm
like, Who's this guy? I was

expecting. Steve Jordan had been
filling in for a while, and I

thought Jordan was going to be
there, or this is what James

Taylor, or gad Yeah. And I was
like, Who's that guy? I didn't

know it was Keith Carlock, yeah.
And I had no idea who he was. I

went to school with Keith. I
knew he would change. He killed

it. He killed it that night.
Killed it.

He lives in Franklin, Tennessee.
I never see him, Keith, what's

up? We keep I've asked him to be
on the show. He's and I got him

at a particular time when he
was, like, taking a break from

media right now. I'm like,
That's mad respect, man. Wow.

You know, you know me. If
somebody asked me to be on a

podcast, I'm like, when you
know, yeah, yeah. Well, that

being said, rich, can I get you
on my podcast? Oh, I was my

third appearance, right

second. So I make sure that the
angle is good. Last time it was

bad, I looked like I I looked
like I had eaten, you know, 12

pizzas.

That's exactly what I was
thinking. You're

not gonna get chance rich looks
so

freaking fast

this angle. Oh, my God. Hey. So

when I asked for a little, just
some bullet points on you,

you're like, ain't no Wiki on
me. You're so funny. But if,

what if somebody wants to like a
Wikipedia. What if somebody

wants to get in touch with you?
What's the best way?

I'm very private, nobody. I love
that about

I still have my my so I never
got rid of the social media

pages because, like, I thought,
if I get rid of Facebook, I

think a lot of people still get
a hold you through messenger,

like they sure do. They don't
know how well. So I kept

Facebook for that nice I still
have my Instagram account, but

then I get on there in time. Are
you a

is it a quirky name, like Brian
plays bass, or is it just, I

think

it's BFA?

I don't even know you know that
terrible. So

you know what'll happen if you
type in your name into the

Google Nader, Brian Arsenault
base, all your social pages will

come up. Oh, really,

I actually did that, yeah, and
it's kind of cool. What's it

say, Jessica? Because one of the
pictures you look like Chris

Evans,

who's that? I'll bitch. It's
cool. Marvel, yeah, capital

America,

I know why you got the PAM job.
Why? And not only a great bass

player, great hang but she
probably thought you were

handsome, so

she was the high cheek bones
man. She's cute. Yeah,

we got some good stories on
those days, but probably can't

tell them. James Lana, oh yeah,
chicken, you know, there's

there. Can I tell one good
please.

Was she a nice person?

Pam is a new nice boss, and she
knew what she wanted, and she

would not stop until she got

why can't we get? Well, let's
get her on. That's such a big

part of your history. Yeah,

yeah, I want to be there again.
Yeah. Now we were, we were doing

a gig with Pam. We were going to
California. Yeah, we were at the

National Airport, and it was
busy that day, and me, and me

and Richard, just two young
guys, just all excited. We're

sitting there with our backs of
the window, like waiting for the

plane, whatever busy. And James
Pennebaker, our tour manager, he

was, he had his briefcase, and
he had to go to the bathroom.

And he goes, Hey guys, watch my
briefcase. I gotta go to the

bathroom. You see where this is
going. Watch my briefcase. We're

going to the bathroom. And so me
and rich, we board the plane,

we're sitting together, we're
still partying and stuff. We're

just being crazy, and we're
like, where is James?

Everybody's on the plane, and
here he comes. He's coming down

the aisle, and he's just glaring
at us. And Rich is looking at

me, going, what's wrong? What's
wrong with him? But why was he

looking at us like that? And he
comes up to us, and. Course.

We'd left his briefcase sitting
there in the airport, and he had

all the all

the money, all the cash, tons of
cash. We just left it there. We

just left his briefcase full of
money, his laptop, everything

just sitting there.

Could tell you the time we're in
Seattle and rich ordered the all

you could eat sushi for the
table. And everybody said, Who

ordered all that? And because it
was like, what you don't eat,

you have to pay for you have to
pay for us what the sign said.

So it was Lana and James and me.
I didn't even eat sushi at the

time, and Lana and James said,
I'm not paying for that. And

Rich, I mean, there must have
been

25 rolls there

Rich. Rich started eating and

eating and eating. He started
hiding stuff under ashtrays, in

flower pots, everything. And the
guy is amazing. The girl came

over and said, and you said,
Ma'am, there's still half. You

said, she looks at him, he looks
at her and says, I just, I

didn't know about the sizes. I
just, I just can't eat all this

stuff. She goes, Oh, we just put
that up there. She goes, You

don't pay for that.

Are you serious? But that's the
thing, is that you didn't.

They're talking about the stuff
that's still left in the, you

know, the sneeze guard area. Oh,
maybe, okay, that's a joke. You

didn't, you didn't get that what
he was purple. If you, if you,

you order all you can eat, you
you're gonna pay for what you

don't eat. So that's all. It's a
joke. It's like, Haha, because

it's all left in a buffet.

You, I thought it was, they were
serious. You were purple. You

were you were turning purple and
blue,

not green.

Oh, there was a game. It was a
day off. It was a day

it was a day off. Yeah, I can
eat like that. Before a show, I

started eating sushi. After
that, I had a few pieces,

yeah, after that, was introduced
to mercury poisoning, I

could not decide what to eat
today. It was like I I did my

fast, and then I was today, I
was ready to eat, so I drove by

brugers. I drove by Pete sushi.
I couldn't decide, do I want

sushi? Do I want eggs on a
bagel? I ended up with third

watch with, like, eating a bunch
of eggs and first watches.

What's that? First watch? Third
Watch, first watch, first watch.

Third Watch is a television
show. Sorry, it's a it's a

police procedural. Is it third
one? Okay? I think that's so

funny. I can't remember third or
fourth, third or first even say

second watch, the third watch is
a television show. Is it? It was

like, about 15 years ago, okay?
It was like, the life of a

police

officer is Los Angeles. We
haven't even been on a second

glass.

Well, you know what? I know?
Okay, so everybody you know look

up Brian Arsenal on the
internet. It's a r, s, e n, a,

U, L, T. I love reminiscing down
the memory. Congratulations on

all your success. I'm super
happy for you. You're a bass

player. That is a homeowner. You
and I can go smoke cigars at the

mission. We have a great time.
Jim wasn't this fun. It was.

It's not. It's fun catching up
with an old friend and then just

being happy for their success. I
mean, this is a tough business

man,

when I get the job as their
drummer,

Jim is out there. He's doing,
but he just doesn't have the

time family claiming. Man, huh?
I name it and claim it. Well, he

does, yeah, that's how he got
this, Huey. That's Huey. It's

what you got to do. I met

the guy from the Huey band, and
I said, I'm going to be your

drummer. Just accept it now.
Yeah, which Resistance is

futile? Which guy was that?
Well, he was, he's, I mean,

these are guys that, you know,
have day jobs and stuff like

that, the tribute band. So he
owns a flooring company here

locally, but the band is based
out of California, and his

brother is the Huey

Roger. Hey, maybe, maybe when I
pull the carpets out of my

house, I could hire him to do
the floors. Yeah, you

Ben that you're playing with is
based out of California, yeah.

Oh, wow. And they

play all over the country.
They've got different, you know,

segments of musicians in parts
of the country. Life's gonna be

the Spring Hill drummer. My
brother is gonna be playing with

them as well.

Yeah, amazing, yeah, I think

huey's guitar player. Son lives
next to our steel player. Up in

Hendersonville. There

is somebody,

maybe no one of the guys when
they played the Franklin

theater. Sean the keyboard
player, yeah. Sean, that guy,

yeah. He was at the show. Huey's
keyboard player,

okay, well, Jim, we're just
happy you have this outlet, man,

because you work so hard. You
know, 20 podcasts. Yeah, it's a

lot going on. Brian, thanks
buddy. Yeah, I appreciate you.

Thank you guys for having me. I
appreciate the thing. Oh, it's

so exciting. People are looking
at the list of who you're a

great storyteller. You know,
I've got more. You got more. I

love it. He's a great story.
Jim, thanks for your time and

tell us and to all the
listeners, we sure do appreciate

it. Be sure to subscribe, share,
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