The Rich Redmond Show

Coming to you from crash studios
in Music City, USA. Nashville.

This is the rich Redmond show

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It's time for another exciting
episode of the rich Redmond show

where we talk about all things
music, motivation and success.

These things drive us informs us
and inspires us. And just

whatever happens, these are fun,
free flowing conversations. Long

overdue. So excited about my
guest today. Today's guest is an

American rock drummer, breast
cancer survivor and founder of

breast cancer can stick it. It's
a foundation of 501 C three

nonprofit and since 2010 April
in this organization have raised

over $600,000 for the fight
against breast cancer. She's

also the author of a brand new
book breast cancer can stick it

I'm talking about my friend my
guest, April Samuels, what's up

April. What's up, man? Thank you
so much for that incredible

introduction. Well, it's a bleed
some timpani rollin.

Live from Dallas, Texas in
Nashville. Where are you in the

I love Dallas? I'm yeah, I
really do. Where are you in?

What's your borough? I'm on the
north side of Dallas. And I

actually grew up in Plano. So
that's kind of, you know, the

area that I'm located north of
Dallas Plano was kind of like

the Beverly Hills for a while
and now it's Frisco, right? Yep,

totally 100% Now and then
tonight is the ACM Awards in

Dallas, and I'm usually there
but my band said we don't need

you. We don't want drums on this
song.

We've got a banjo. We don't need
drums. But anyways, I won't be

there tonight. They're they're
doing a special performance. But

you'll have to watch the show

to see what's going on. But how
about this book? I was asking

you off camera. This is a thick
book. It's not a paperback. This

is a real hardback coffee table
book, which means the publisher

absolutely loves you absolutely
believes in you. What's

happening? Are you getting
preferential treatment at

restaurants? Not yet, man. Not
yet. I'm sure it'll come soon.

Right? Yes, sell me. So so we,
we had a an event a couple weeks

back, it was like a pre launch
event to kind of celebrate the

book and some early investors
and some people that were

special and along the way, and
then you had an official. Couple

days later, you had an official
launch party. So tell us about

both those things. Man, the VIP
release was at the sanctuary in

McKinney, Texas. So incredible
having all those folks that

supported the Kickstarter, the
Kickstarter raise $15,000. So it

actually met and exceeded the
goal to be able to release the

book. So that was awesome back
in January. So those top

investors like you were saying,
were invited to this VIP party

at an intimate event where we
had people read from the book,

we had Dr. Joyce O'Shaughnessy,
there who's like a expert in the

field of breast oncology. And it
was just a really cool, intimate

event. And we had you there
because you're super cool. And

then we had John Kelly from y
riot Danzig, typo negative

Laurie Peters from skillet, and
Pete Coatney, from Jack Ingram.

And so it was just really cool
to have everybody there

supporting and celebrating that
moment, like a week before the

actual release. So it was a
really blessed event. Your dad

was there. He's Yeah, he's
awesome. My dad has a great as

I'm super blessed with amazing
parents and my dad is the best.

He actually wrote one of the
letters in the front of the book

too. So he he got up and read
some of that. But then a week

later, we did this big show over
at Lava Keynesian and they call

it and we had my band that
breast cancer can seek a band my

other band Roble yo, which is a
tribute to Billy Idol. And then

just like pink, which is a
tribute to pink, who I play. I'm

like their tour drummer, as they
call it. So anytime they play

out of state, I play with just
like peek. And so yeah, it was a

busy night Mark Schulman was
there from Peak also from Billy

Idol. I wrote the foreword. And
he wrote the foreword. Totally

cool. And we had a fabulous
turnout just feel so so grateful

and blessed to have had such a
wonderful turnout and sell a lot

of books too. Well, you know,
and you took a tragedy and you

turned into into triumph.

Share with us a little bit. I
had the specific date here when

you were diagnosed, but you
could probably do a better job

than me. Oh, yeah. That's one of
those things you'd never forget.

Right? Yeah, it was nine o'clock
a Tuesday morning. It was

October the 26th 2010. And my
phone ring. Actually, I'll put

it to you this way. The day
before that my phone rang and I

had had two biopsies done. One
was an aspiration and one was a

coordinated biopsy. If you're
not familiar with the

difference, aspirations are
usually for like a liquid filled

cyst of some kind. And then a
coordinator

Little biopsy is more for
something solid. So, the day

before I was diagnosed, I got
the call from the doctor and

they were like, Hey, we got your
results back. Everything's

great. I'm like, oh, cool,
awesome. So both the biopsies

are good. And she's like, Oh,
no, this is just the aspiration.

And I was like, Oh, my God.
Okay, you know, but to be

honest, I wasn't that worried
about it, because I'd had

biopsies and aspirations in the
past, and everything turned out

fine. But still, it was a little
bit, you know, maybe a little

anxious. So then the next
morning, the actual doctor

called me. And I remember that
he said, You have triple

negative breast cancer is high
grade. He said, be sure you get

on some reputable websites and
learn a little bit about it and

want you to come in so we could
talk about it some more. And he

said other stuff, but like I
always say he, his voice kind of

morphed into like Charlie
Brown's teacher. Yeah, it was

just like it was. Well, I just,
yeah, I was going on, because I

was like, what, you know, a
diagnosis like that. It's really

hard to describe what that feels
like. Because, I mean, you

literally think you're gonna
die. And you feel like it's

soon, you know? Yeah, very
scary. But you, you, you

navigated this. And it's all in
the book. I mean, some people

get a little surfacey on their
business. Look at how thick this

book this is. This is warts and
all, almost like a,

like a day by day approach.
Yeah, it really was. Yeah,

that's, that's exactly what it
was. Man is it's like I was

doing blogs and stuff. During
like, immediately after I was

diagnosed, it was kind of ended
up being really therapeutic to

write down my feelings and
thoughts. Just about every day

after I was diagnosed. And what
happened was, like, all these

people just started saying, You
should turn this into a book.

And like, I'd never thought of
that. Like, I just never thought

of that. A million years. I
didn't really ever read that

much. I was just like, I was
like, Yeah, whatever, whatever.

But it happened so much that it
got to a point where I was like,

I feel like I can't ignore this.
This is a sign this is something

that I'm supposed to do. And
yeah, it only took me you know,

10 years 1214 Whatever. It's
it's a long process.

And, and you've been a little
bit busy because you're playing

drums in a million bands. Yeah.

You've had booking agencies, you
might still have a booking

agency, you're you know, you're
doing all this double, double,

triple duty playing in this very
robust music scene that is

Dallas. We I love the music
scene there. And you have this

awesome more organization, this
nonprofit, and each year to

raise money for research. You
have the drum Athan, and your

this year is your 10th. And
let's just plug it here. I have

it here somewhere it's going to
be here the best man is going to

be at the colony in North Dallas
when October 20. This year 12pm

to 7pm. And there's going to be
celebrity Rockstar drummers live

musical guests, family and
friends. There might be some

food giveaways. Everybody gets
to play the drums. And the money

is that's being raised as Oh,
for an amazing cause. That's

October 20. Saturday, right?
Sunday is a Sunday, Sunday,

October the 20th. This year 12pm
to 7pm at the Grand scape. Is

that like a venue or is an
outdoor venue? It's an outdoor

venue. It's like an
entertainment district. Lots of

shops and restaurants and
things. They've got a big lawn

giant stage with a huge LED
screen. It's a perfect home for

drum Athan every year. Where was
the very first one? You know, I

don't know if you knew this. The
first drove Athan we ever had

was in a small town. It's kind
of sandwiched between Allen

McKinney and Lucas. And it's
called Fairview, Texas. And they

have this like outdoor mall and
they had a stage on the

backside. And I was like, let's
have it there. And so read

through it there. And man, I'm
telling you what you learn

everything you need to know,
after you have the first event.

Like you learned it all. It's
like falling down the stairs.

And then as soon as you're done
with that, it's great. From that

point forward. Like we learned
all of our, you know, had all of

our mistakes and everything. But
you know, we had Carmen appease

vide, Appa see, and that star
that first year and Dickens

Shinder from drum talk TV
actually came down and emceed

the event. And I mean, it was a
great start. We raised $13,000

That first year. I mean, we'd
never done it before. So I was

pretty proud of how that turned
out. But then when you came was

the second year. It was 2016 and
that was at Clyde Warren Park in

downtown Dallas, and it was you
carpeted piece, Mark Schulman

and mesaar. And it was like
eight years ago. How is there?

No, I don't know, man. Almost
sent me to talk about that part.

And then COVID just ate two
years of our lives there. But

yeah, I mean, the celebrity
drummers that stopped by it's

insane over the years, you've
had Aaron spears, you've had

Chad Gracie from live. Kathy
rich buddies. Daughter Gina

shock from the gogos the
bissonnet from David Lee Roth

Hannah Welton from Prince, you
got the Johnny Kelly. We love

him Keo from big and rich, our
bow Laurie Peters Nate Morton

from the voice. Ricky rocket. I
mean, you got a deep Rolodex.

I love it that you when you when
you could get to a certain point

in your life, where you could
send crazy memes to some of your

childhood heroes. Right? Right.
I mean when I got to introduce

Carmine, Carmine,

and APA see Vinny Appice. See,
Carmine. Carmine if please.

When I get to introduce Carmen
and the microphone, I was like,

Oh, my God, this is crazy. I'm
introducing one of my childhood

heroes. And we're right just
sitting here breaking bread, and

it's for an amazing cause we all
get to play. Now, what the

format of drum Athan is very
unique. It's like a fundraiser.

So people go almost like it's
almost they can go door to door

to raise money if they want. And
then whoever raises

sizable amounts of money gets to
get up and jam with the

celebrity drummers. Yeah, it's
actually. So I've never really

told you how it came to be. It's
pretty crazy. So there's a

friend of mine who also grew up
in Plano. And they had a drum

Athan in the 80s. And so what
they would do is literally, like

you said, go door to door and
ask people to sponsor them. But

then they would play like a
really long amount of time. So

each person they had just a few
drummers that would play like an

hour or two straight, just fly
over and over. And I was like,

that sounds awful. You know,
that sounds I'm a drummer. And

that sounds awful. Right? So you
flipped it on its head and said,

you have less board drummers
less time. So that's exactly how

we did it. And so essentially,
what happens is the top 25

fundraising drummers get to play
a one minute solo on the stage.

And then they get half price on
the player with celebrity

opportunities. So throughout the
show, there's 30 minutes windows

of time where each celebrity
will play like a solo or some

music. And then after that
people can get in line and pay

to get up on a second drum set
and jam alongside you

celebrities. And is this a
really unique event. And I got

the idea of that, because I went
to rock and roll fantasy camp,

right after I finished treatment
in 2011. And I was like, this is

like the coolest thing. You pay
money and you get to jam with

these rock stars. Right. And I
was like, you know, drummers

aren't really out in the
forefront enough. And being a

drummer myself and tying it all
together. It was really

important to me, you know? Yeah,
yeah. No, it's an amazing

format. And now after

two and a half presidencies, you
got a decade in time, there it

is. The format is locked in.
It's growing in popularity. And

I can imagine it does take a
village, you've got committees,

subcommittees, there's 300
volunteers that come and go and

volunteer their time.

How does it How does it work?
How much time goes into actually

planning that one day? Oh, my
gosh. Well, we literally only

take two months off a year from
working on drum Athan November,

December. Yep, that's right. We
take that off and start back up

in January. We usually start out
with our committee meetings,

like once a month. Right now
we're already done every other

week. And then as we get closer,
it'll be once a week. But yeah,

like you said, you know, we
started out, just two years ago,

we had like, one board and three
committees. And now we have 10

committees and two boards. And
that's just in the last year and

a half. So we're really growing
by leaps and bounds and getting

more support from folks and
volunteers. And just to point

out, like you said, you know,
we're 99% volunteer, we pay one

volunteer coordinator, like 15
hours, max per week. So we're

making sure that the bulk of the
funds go towards the programs

that we support, which are
mammograms, research and trials,

and financial assistance for
breast cancer treatment. But

yeah, I mean, it's, it's a, it's
a 10 month, a year thing, you

know, like you've every year or
10 months working on it. It's

crazy. It's incredible. And
thank God you do it. I mean, so

many people in my life or, you
know, breast cancer, my mom

survived breast cancers, breast
cancer in the 80s. And, you

know, she's hearty stock, man,
she, she beat that thing, and

ran the New York City Marathon.
You beat that thing. You went to

the Rock Roll fantasy camp, you
started a nonprofit, you play in

a million bands, no one's gonna.

There's no more. There's no moss
growing on you. You're moving

that ball down the field every
day and you always have a big

smile on your face. And you can
always judge a person by their

friends and you have some
amazing friends in the industry.

And the book is fantastic.
Everybody needs to get it. It's

a powerful read. There it is.
Breast breast cancer can stick

it and you can get it on Amazon
right from Jeff Bezos. That's

one

The best best place to get it
you can get it off of Amazon

Barnes and noble.com also has it
or you can go to breast cancer

can stick it.com and check it
out there too. And then you have

your.com Right April Samuels,
Doc? Yes. Yes. I love it. And it

seems to me that you're, you're
on sort of a junket. Do you have

some nice appearances coming up?
You're hitting the Music City

drum show in Nashville you're
going to do in summer. You're

doing summer NAMM or I'm not
doing summer now. But we are

doing Music City drum show there
Nashville in July for sure.

We'll be doing Winter NAMM and
January. But yeah, I mean, I

have a lot of travel coming up
through just like pink the band

and mentioned earlier. We're
going to be in Colorado,

Arizona, Ohio, Illinois,
Indiana. Next year, it was gonna

be Washington and Kentucky. And
so I'm actually going to be

piggybacking a lot of like book
signings and appearances that

way. Because I'm like, hey, I'll
be in town. You know, let's just

pile it on. And I know you're
familiar with that concept. Oh

my god, it's so easy because you
could tell the person Hey, look

at I'm already here. Right?
Right. You don't even have to

cover that. I'm here. I'm here.
I am here. Exactly. Exactly.

That is great.

Now what is the lynch you have
like a lit metal shop? So metal

shop is you kind of hang your
hat on that you've been in that

for a long time. Is that a
perfect world entertainment band

metal? It is? Yeah, metal sounds
perfect world so you deal with

my friends in Los Angeles. Yeah,
Roger is the guy Jamie's part of

the part of the crew too, but
Roger is our guy and he manages

a metal shop. And as you know,
there's a few metal shops across

the country and we're the Dallas
you know, kind of Texas Oklahoma

Louisiana metal shop and yeah,
I've been with them for 12 years

now. Yeah. It's just it's just
working and those guys are

really brilliant to do it
because because metal shop was

the impetus that inspired the
creation of Steel Panther right

yeah, yes the guys in Steel
Panther were originally metal

shop. And then they split off
and form still Panther. Exactly

right. But it's the same
concept. The spandex the choreo

the guyliner the whole nine
Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah,

and your characters crash gourd
crash Gordon. Yes. I love it. So

perfect. World Entertainment
also handles dispatch

asthmatics, and there's probably
like 15 spasm addicts around the

country. And I helped start the
one here in Nashville. I did it

for maybe two years was fun
because I got to play roto toms

and stuff and I had my little
character Ernest Winston Powell,

the third with the taped glasses
in the high waters and

everything. Yeah, it was really,
really fun. It's a brilliant

thing because people just, you
know a lot of a lot of live

music events. People just want
to have fun. They want to

reminisce, they want to go down
memory lane. And if you're

playing Whitesnake, Guns and
Roses, and you have your tongue

in your cheek a little bit,
you're like, wink, wink, wink.

It's a fun time. Oh, it's a
blast, man, I have such a good

time. I feel so fortunate to
have landed that gig 12 years

ago. I mean, it's, it's
everything really I ever wanted.

I just I love to play I want to
play as much as I can. I like to

travel. All of it's cool. And
the guys in the band were super

close. You know, it's we have
great chemistry. We got this we

had a different guitar player
when I started. And a guitar

player we have now came on a
year after I got with the band.

So we've all been together now
for 11 years in this in this

lineup so we're very happy and
we have a good time we did the

Billy Idol after party on
Tuesday night up at the Hard

Rock Casino in Tulsa. And you
know just fun stuff like that.

It's the band stop by miracle
Dennis and those guys. I did

talk to him but he wasn't able
to stop my so yeah, you know,

it's pretty, pretty cool. You
know, get to see people last

time we did it. Winger was up
there and Rod came by and you

know, watch this play a little
bit. It's kind of weird because

you can appreciate this. That
venue requires that you play

their backline electronic kit. I
know it's rough man. But you

know, I was really shocked at
how well it sounded out front

and even rod complimented that
so that was a big deal. Because

you know, you always are like, I
don't know, man. But yeah, it's

very different, but it's still a
lot of fun. I really don't care.

You could put some pillows out
or you know, some trash cans or

something. I'd have a great
time. You know, ya know, the

thing about electronic drums is
they they and it's all the rage

now in Nashville because we have
these big corporate honky tonks

like Loretta Lynn's Honky Tonk,
anally J's now ainz In every all

this country stars have their
branded corporate three level

honky tonks and on a lot of
them, there's a rolling drum

set. And I'm like, Ah, god, man,
so I guess a gig like yours. You

just go through the settings you
look for the you look for the

metal patch or the they actually
are like, this is what you're

gonna use and it's it's set

And the weird part is I have to
be like okay, dude, I need a I

need a cowbell though you know
gotta play some rock of ages and

some guns and roses, so I need a
cowbell. So then they have the

cowbell on the rim of the forks
hub. So inevitably, you're gonna

Paco, Paco, ah. You know, you're
like, oh, yeah, you hit the rim.

Yeah, you're like, ah, but like
I said, you know, I'm weird. I

kind of I kind of love doing
different things. Like if I play

on a, you know, a backline kit
that's like a buddies or

something. It's fun for me. It's
just like, I don't know. I love

all of it's a challenge. Yeah,
yeah, it gives you something

else to think about. You're
like, oh, I only have two

symbols. I normally have you
know, four crashes or whatever

it is. And yeah.

Chambers. This is the CB 700
drum set from 1976. To make it

happen. Don't knock that man. It
was my first kit for CB 700.

Yeah, absolutely. You know what?
I bet some of that stuff sounds

kind of quirky and fun. If you
can get your hands on it.

Really? Oh, yeah. No, that was
actually yeah, the first kid I

ever had. It's pretty funny. So
your parents very, very

supportive. I could just tell
ya.

And just such sweet people

will take us back

to your drumming evolution. When
did you start? Did you study

with someone? What What was that
all about? Who are your biggest

influences? Yeah, yeah. So it
started out. I had a best friend

of mine, her brother, her older
brother had a drum set. It was a

silver CB 700 drum set,
actually. And then my cousin

also had a drum set. So I was
super young. I was like five

years old. And I was exposed to
drums in these two places. And

you know, of course, they
wouldn't let me play them,

right? No, you can't play them.
And so it made me just really

want to play into them more. My
brother was taking guitar

lessons at the time at a small
music store that's still

actually here in Plano called
Music Manor. And we went in

there mom and I and my brothers
in his lesson. And I found a

pair of drumsticks and I just
pulled up my mom's dress. I'm

like, Mom, please buy me these
drumsticks you know, and she

bought them for me. And I just
was begging them for some kind

of drum set forever. They
finally got me like a toy, you

know, paper sear drum set when I
was about eight. And then at 11

years old when I was still, you
know, please, I want to play

drums. They put me in drum
lessons. So drum set lessons at

that same store. At the time, I
was taking lessons from Warren

white. He was with the
escapades. Yeah. Wow. And why

Yeah, he used to have like a
very popular Steel Drum Band in

Dallas. That worked a lot. Yeah,
he's a great guy. And, you know,

got me started, like, right into
just like songs. You know, we

didn't do a lot of rudiments and
stuff. I mean, we had the stick

control book, but we were kind
of just working off the first

couple of pages, and really just
jumping into learning music. And

I remember him having me write
out the music for my kind of

letter by Billy Squier. They're
like how to write out the whole

thing and bring it in and like,
here's my homework, you know,

and, and so that was pretty
cool. And I took from him for a

while. Then I started taking it
from a guy named John Mitchell.

And then I took from a woman for
a short period of time, but then

I just kind of broke out and I
was like, I want a gig, you

know, and so, started gigging
out when I was about 19. And I

didn't really go back to any
lessons, or I didn't have any

further formal training. Like, I
didn't do drums in school. It's

so weird. Like, for whatever
reason, I didn't think that was

cool. But I played trumpet in
school, like figure that one out

for me because I don't you play
trumpet, but the drums are right

there. You're like, well, you
don't. Bissonnette played the

trumpet. You know, it's good for
you. Because to play a melodic

instrument and see the note
notes on the staff, you know,

yeah, yeah, I was played
trumpet. And then I switched to

French horn. And I was like,
first chair, French horn,

whatever. I remember the
teachers were always like, you

know, hey, we want you to play
drums. You know, we know your

drummer, we need to play drums
and I was just like, No, man,

this is not. I don't know why
you didn't want to be. We want

to be going but Bum Bum, bum bum
you want to go? Oh, yeah, I

mean, for real. I did and, and
so I just never did it. I

remember when I was in high
school, like junior and senior

high school, seeing friends that
were like a drumline and

thinking man, you know, I wish I
would have kind of taken that

path a little bit because that
that looked like a lot of fun.

But but I didn't. And I did go
to North Texas for two and a

half years. Got into the music
program there. Which to be

honest, yeah. Which to be
honest, was crazy, because I

mean, I just didn't have the
schooling that everybody else

did. So I was just around like
1989 or so. Yeah, I think my

first year I started the fall of
88 or 8787. Wow. Yeah. And so I

went two and a half years there
and unfortunately, you know, as

a lot of people fall

into and musicians and clubs and
stuff like that I, I got really

into alcohol. And so I was
drinking an awful lot. And it

was just no making things not
really possible. I wasn't able

to keep up with school, and all
that stuff. And fortunately, I

dropped out of school. And a few
years later, I quit drinking.

I've been sober now since, Gosh,
9192 92. Yeah, so so you have

like a three year run of like,
Leaving Las Vegas and like the

film and you're like, This is
not sustainable. Yeah, some

somewhere in the family, there
was a gene, you're not wrong.

It's weird that you said that. I
can't even believe you said it.

But yeah, my dad's side of the
family, they have

trouble with alcohol. My dad
doesn't, but like his dad and

other people on that side of the
family. And he even told me, you

know, when I started drinking,
he was like, You need to be

careful. You know, in our
family, there's a lot of

alcoholics, you know, and I
just, I don't know, I just

really fell hard into it went
through some, you know, really

rough times and kind of hit
bottom and realize that, that I

just wasn't a person who could
drink. And so I had, I had a

soft drink. And and, you know,
it's hard because being a

musician, you know, you're
exposed to it all the time. You

know, you can't, you can't stop
drumming. You got to play the

clubs, and you're gonna be
around alcohol. So I remember I

quit drinking on December 27.
And I kept my New Year's Eve

plans. And all my friends were
partying, and I just didn't. And

I was like this, I gotta get
used to this. I just gotta get

used. So you prove to yourself
that you could do the first New

Year's Eve like that. And then
of course, the it's one day at a

time. Yeah, yeah, it's so now
you're looking back?

What was it is 30 years? Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, it's 32 years. Yeah.

So does it ever get challenging,
or you're at a point where just

like, hey, man, we're, we're got
some time in the trenches, this

is not a problem.

Man.

There's always that temptation
that I'm aware of,

you know, especially if you're
going through really difficult

times, you know,

any kind of depression or loss
or whatever. It pops up, you

know, it's just like, Man, I
could just go get drunk and lay

in a corner somewhere, you know,
not.

And so when that happens, do you
call a trusted friend? Do you go

to a meeting? What do you do?
You know, I'm not stereotypical.

In this regard at all. I totally
support all that stuff. It just,

it's just not the route I took.
You know, the program? No, I

didn't do the program. Well,
yeah. I just, I just made a

commitment to myself and God and
said, you know, this is, I

really honestly wish I was just
like, if I drink again, it means

I don't want to live. That's
what I told myself. Yeah. And I

know, I want to live and so as
long as I've got that going for

me, you know, I'm good to go.
And I don't see that ever

changing. You know, I feel
confident in it. But, you know,

it does suck to still have that.
You know, it's like God, man, 32

years later, and I can still
remember what Corona and tequila

tastes like, like I can, like, I
could taste it. Like I can

remember, you know, like, ah,
was that that was your

combination. Corona. Yeah. Yeah,
I don't know why, but it was

either. You know, I was either a
night with Corona or and I was

killing and killing anything.
Like, it didn't matter if

anything, were to kill it. And
it's funny, because, you know, I

didn't really realize I had a
problem. And then, in

retrospect, my my friends were
like, Yeah, you were always

drinking, and we weren't. And I
was like, You mean, you guys

weren't drinking when we were
just running to the mall? You

know? Like, I would drink on the
way to the mall? Like, what the

hell is it that no, crazy. Wow.
But But you did it a bit. You

did it and you're doing it. Now
a lot of people in that

situation, they will replace
something for another? Did you

dive headfirst into more drums
or more exercise or to

cigarettes or any? Did you
replace it with something? I did

smoke, I quit smoking. At the
same time. I quit drinking for a

little while. And then I picked
up smoking again. I quit smoking

probably seven years after I
quit drinking. And then man, I'm

just full on caffeine. philon I
mean, Starbucks. It's like it's

so weird. Because you know, it's
caffeine. So it's not the same.

You know, obviously the same
thing is like drinking, but like

when I'm really stressed, I want
a shot of espresso. It's shot.

You know what I'm saying? So
it's Yeah. So like, I'll get

like really stressed or, you
know, bummed whatever it is some

extreme emotion. And I'll be
like, I'm going to Starbucks.

Gotta get me you know, a double
shot, you know, whatever. Yeah.

But yeah, it's actually a really
bad and expensive habit. To have

a coffee never killed anybody,
isn't it?

You're not gonna get behind the
wheel and go, like, Yeah, that's

right. Yeah. And I can make
hopefully not going to make bad

decisions when I'm all like
wired up. Or

maybe I do I take on too much.
What's the one thing you've just

overcome so much. I mean, that's
it's incredible. You turn

tragedy into triumph. And so
you're, you're getting good at

the drums, you're studying the
drums a little bit, you get over

that hurdle. You're in your
early 20s. And we're really

playing like Deep Ellum that
you're playing trees, data,

original bands, all that kind of
stuff. All that stuff on the

rocks at a basement, Dallas city
limits smoking days rock room,

there's a rock garden. Just
yeah, Dotto. We did that there

was so many venues, I can't
remember them all right now. But

yeah, I played de Belem,
probably through maybe 2002, or

something like that kind of when
there was a shift, you know, and

then I actually got into an all
girl band for a short period of

time, called Baby J and Hudson,
and we were together like 2000,

to 2004. And that was very
different. Because, honestly, my

whole career I've always played
with guys, just, that's just how

it's worked out. And I do need
to give a shout out to the guys

that I've played with, because,
you know, there could be

stereotypes around female
drummers or female musicians or

whatever, and nobody that I've
ever played with ever even

considered that an issue like,
they'd never looked at that and

thought, Oh, we don't want to
check drummer or, or she's not

gonna be good, because she's a
girl or whatever it is that they

think, you know, I feel like I
was afforded all the same

opportunities as anybody else.
In some cases more because I

think people looked at it, you
know, kind of, like a, like a,

like a cool little thing, you
know, for their band. Hey, we've

got a chick drummer, you know.
So that was really cool. But

anyway, so yeah, I was an all
girl band, and we were doing all

original music. And to be
honest, I was doing original

music from the beginning of my
career 88 till probably about

2012 or so maybe. And that's
when I switched over into cover

music. So, but yeah, and that
pays the bills, a little cover

music pays man, you know, does,
you could do it until you drop.

I got no problem with that.
Well, that's interesting,

because I was going to ask you,
I'm not going to be all like

James Brown's like, it's a man's
but I'm not gonna be like, it's

a man's world. Yeah, but it's a
it's a very male dominated

industry. Usually the female in
the band is singing. That's

right. Yeah, that's right. But
you feel like it was pretty,

pretty smooth road. Everybody
that Yeah, yeah. I mean, for for

me with other peers. Now, like,
if I show up to a gig, I can't

tell you how many times I show
up to gig dragon drums and

they're like, Oh, that's so
sweet. You're helping your

boyfriend. I'm like, Oh, man.
I'm gonna give you black guy,

you know, these are my drums.
Yeah. Or like, just the other

night. Somebody walked up, and
they were like, Oh, are you guys

in the band? And me and my
singer. They were like, again,

they're like, Oh, what do you
do? And he's like, I'm the

singer. And they're like, Oh,
well, what do you do? And I was

like, I'm the drummer. They're
like, Oh, my God, like, they

just freak out. Because that's
not what they're expecting you

right? Now, did you? Did you
look to female drummers for

inspiration, say the genius
shocks or the Sheila ease? Or

the?

What was it?

Yeah, you know, or was it didn't
matter? It didn't matter. That's

the thing. And I think, you
know, I just, I just looked at

all drummers the same way. I
never, it didn't matter. any

walk of life, everybody was just
a drummer. Like, I've always

been that way about everybody.
You know, my mom always thought

that, you know, I could friend
anybody or date anybody because

like I just had, you know, I
just, I love everybody, you

know, like, and so I was really
into course, you know, is the ad

so you'll pure? So yeah, that
was my guy had his posters all

over the wall. Yeah, that was a
big one. John Bonham,

definitely, you know, just had
that guy's foot was awesome.

And then but you know, later
down the line. I don't know if

you knew of a band. Do you
remember a band called SR seven?

Those out of Austin? Yeah, they
used to play data all the time.

Yeah. Patrice pike. What up? She
is, uh, yeah, rocks, man. Yeah.

So they had a drummer named Sean
Phillips. back then. And that

guy he was he's to this day, the
biggest inspiration for me

drumming wise. And you can
really tell like I was in an

original band called Frog knot
and then also in Baby Jane

Hudson. I kind of took that
style that Shawn had and applied

that to those songs. So it's
kind of more of like a form of

funk you know, rock groove kind
of thing. And I just thought I

love Shawn Phillips playing and
he doesn't play anymore. Well,

so I was gonna say to you guys,
Are you friendly? Yeah, yeah.

Well, that's what I was gonna
say is like, you know, it's it's

so cool because with social
media, you know, people are

accessible now. And and like,
you know,

We friended each other years
ago, and I say this at every

interview when I'm talking about
drumming, I talk about him. And

I was like, I should frickin
tell him, you know, how

important he was to me. Yeah, so
I messaged him and thanked him

for being such an inspiration
and actually sent him some frog,

not music. And he wrote back and
said, he thought it was really

great and that he could hear
his, you know, influence over

me. And I was like, Oh my God,
you know, because that's cool. I

remember I remember like seeing
them play sometimes I would just

be walking down Deep Ellum and
I'd get on my tippy toes and

look through the window to see
Oh, yeah.

Guys, so good. Like, and it's
just the thing with him is he's

just so solid. And you know, he
doesn't overplay. But when he

does those little fills in
there. They're just so unique

and tasty. It's just I just
could listen to him every day.

Now. Why does he not play
anymore? What happened? I don't

I really don't know. I don't
know the story behind that. He's

in corporate America now. So got
a family I know that.

Yeah, the other guys are still
playing a lot. They're not a

sister seven but Patrice pipe
with Wayne Sutton and I don't

think that she has the same bass
player anymore. But she's still

out there doing some things but
it's not the same man. I need

Shawn there, you know, now is
Deep Ellum still the the the

replays for new music is
discovered as it's still the

hotspot to go on Friday and
Saturday nights for the

alternative crowd. You know, I
am so disconnected from that

anymore. We have actually played
a couple of times metal shops

actually played like some
private parties and stuff at

trees and been down there a few
times. But I really rarely get

down there. You know, I kind of
had like a set of shifts a while

back and it sort of started
feeling dangerous. You know,

like, it wasn't really safe to
be just kind of like walking

around down there. Maybe it's
better now. I don't know. But

I'm not in that scene, you know,
at all since the cover scene. I

mean, literally, the cover
scene, there's no venues in

Dallas proper. Yeah, fly all
around. It's all around. It's

like It's like Mansfield and
Fort Worth, you know, Frisco and

the colony and Lewisville and,
you know Rockwall, it's like all

around Dallas, but it's not in
Dallas. So I don't really get a

taste of that scene that much
anymore, which is really weird

for me, because that was
everything I was in, you know, I

meant to mention to you earlier,
because we're not original music

that I actually do still do
original music with one group

called 49th vibration. So I
mean, I'm sure you understand

this like doing your own music
and coming up with your own drum

parts. There's just really
nothing nothing better than

that. I know I have on my to do
list. I want to put out a a fun

little Gregg Bissonette style
solo record where you know, one

thing is kind of like a blood
sweat and tears thing and the

other thing is kind of like a
fun weather report thing. And

then there's like a king's X
thing and 12 different fun kinds

of tracks and no vocals all
instrumental and kind of like,

Oh, you'd call it like
approachable fusion, you know,

like not over the top fusion
where you can't find one you

can't clap your hands. It's
soccer mom fusion. So I have it

on the to do list to do my you
know, just for me. You gotta

coined that phrase, soccer moms
usually Yeah, get shirts made.

I'll buy one that's awesome.

You know,

a band that I really loved. And
my girlfriend Kara loves it.

Also because we were in Dallas
at the same time, but we didn't

know each other in the 90s. We
really loved the toadies. I

loved that. Just knuckle
dragging gutter rock. Yeah,

totally. And they've got another
group going now I forget. It's a

couple of the members. The
female bass player from the

toadies is in it and I don't
know if you do this, but she's a

breast cancer survivor. Also,
she was diagnosed Yeah, just a

few years ago. She's doing good.
But I wish I could remember the

band because I was playing with
another original band not too

long ago called bullet. And we
played with them. So yeah, I

mean, just great. Great
musicianship and yeah, toadies,

were cool. There was so much
cool stuff back then. Billy, do

you remember them? Oh, my God, I
love with Earl Harvin and, like,

I think Sweden Stockholm or
something. And they you know, we

thought he just he just left the
United States. I was Yeah,

weird.

Amazing. Yeah. Billy Goat was a
heck it was very percussion

driven. Yeah, yeah. I told Mike
Dylan You know, yeah, yeah.

Well, cuz he then and they had a
band called 10 Hands that was

like very popular in the Denton
area. And I had all their CDs

and I would like to transcribe
all the girls parts. Total nerd.

So So what what's next I know
that you have a big vision where

breast cancer can stick it

in the foundation you want it to
grow and grow and grow and grow.

And so I believe one of your
goals is to have a brick and

mortar location and US

staff a paid staff? Yes. So, how
do you how do we do that? How do

you get there? Yeah, I mean, you
know, the thing is breast cancer

gets sick, it is such an amazing
business model. I mean, for us

to raise $600,000, without any
staff is just, I mean, it's

crazy. And if you think about
Thank you, if you think about,

you know, if we had people doing
this 24/7, you know, 20 475 days

a week, you know,

five, yeah, 40 hours a week and
everything like that. Even three

people, rich, I can't even
imagine what kind of an impact

we can make. I mean, we would
easily, you know, double triple

our numbers, I mean, it's just,
you know, we could have such a

bigger impact, I know that, you
know, people may look at that,

like, hey, you know, less
overhead and blah, blah, blah,

but, you know, it's kind of
almost like an investment, it's

like, we get more staff members,
we're able to raise even more

money and have even a bigger
impact. And that's really what I

want, you know, I want, you
know, breast cancer to be a

thing of the past, you know, I
want to save more lives. And,

you know, we're having an impact
today, just through what we're

doing. And I just figure, you
know, we could have an even

bigger impact. And so what we're
looking at right now, Rich's

we're wanting to get grants. So
we want to get some grants to

kind of kickstart that we have
some people, as you said, within

breast cancer can stick it just
amazing people like super

talented marketing prowess, type
of people that just know exactly

what to do. And if they had the
time, it'd be nuts. And, like,

all these people are like for
three or four ladies, on our

board, they're like, just tell
me when, you know, tell me when

we're jumping off, we're gonna
do this, and I'm there, you

know, and they got their big
jobs and everything else, but

they're, they're ready for it.
So you have to get to get

grants, like an investment,
essentially, where, you know, we

could really smack get it for a
year or two, and just show what

can be done. That's really my
goal. And fortunately, I

recently met a drummer who has a
lot of experience in grants. And

so I'm starting to work with him
to get those things lined up, we

also have a partner with
parkland, who has a lot of

connections that way, and she's
going to be helping us find, you

know, proper grants to submit
to, to apply for and things and

so that's really the route we're
headed down right now. But if

the book just like, blows up or
something, then I'll be like,

you know, that investor to, you
know, throw that in there. So

it's sort of like, you know,
the, you know, how it is making

a book explode. That's, it's
like, sharding, an album by

yourself or something you just
can't, it's it's very difficult.

But, you know, whatever way it
happens, I feel like, we're

really truly on the cusp of
something absolutely amazing.

And not only just, you know,
making a difference through

funding these programs, but just
bringing positivity and hope to

people out there that are going
through, it doesn't even have to

be breast cancer, just some kind
of challenge or despair. You

know, just bringing that
positivity out to the world. You

know, that's the thing is that
you're a model for people to

overcome. Well, thanks. So you
have a you haven't, you have a

purpose, and you got
sidetracked? And you said,

Enough, I will beat this and
then you get back to your

purpose. And at the same time,
you discover another purpose,

which is to help as many people
as humanly possible. What I'm in

learning about your body and
cancer and health and prevention

and follow up exams and all that
kind of stuff. What can women do

to prevent this from happening
in the first place? And what can

they do to

make sure that they get it in
time? Right, right. I'm super

glad you're asking this
question. It's like, it's almost

like, if I could feed you the
questions, you're just like, you

just know them. That's perfect,
man.

No, because this is like really
important to me because people

don't recognize what they can
do. So the first thing you want

to do is know your risk. So
American Cancer Society, great

website, you can look up breast
cancer risk, it'll tell you the

things to know about. So as you
get older, your risk of any kind

of cancer goes up. It's one out
of every three women will get

some kind of cancer in their
life, one out of every two men

will get some kind of cancer in
her life. One out of every eight

women will get breast cancer.
And two of the things that we

can do to lower our risk

are in nobody likes them, but
less alcohol.

Alcohol damages cells. Dr.
O'Shaughnessy can go on and on

about it. I've got lots of
things up on our YouTube channel

youtube.com/breast Cancer can
stick because the it just was

too long for them.

And so you can go there and
watch a lot of videos where she

goes into detail about, you
should have, you know, maximum

three drinks a week, and not all
at the same time. I mean, it's

that sensitive. And then the
other is exercise and nutrition,

you know,

they're finding a direct
correlation between obesity and

cancer. And so the one thing
that I think is really cool is

Dr. O'Shaughnessy talks about
how she's, you know, tried

working with women, for example,
to help them lose weight. And

it's just really hard because a
lot of men and women get breast

cancer, when they're in
menopause, which slows down your

metabolism. And so everything's
kind of fighting against you.

And then if you go through
breast cancer, then you know,

you're hired, and you're
exhausted, so you're not as

active. So it's just like it's
fighting against against you.

And so, she is a big proponent,
which she's not really into just

throwing medication at things, I
need to tell you that like, when

I first finished treatment,
she's like, What are you on? And

I told her, like, when I get off
this, when I get off, there's

like, she doesn't want people on
a bunch of medication. But she

really thinks that those weight
loss shots are possibly going to

be an answer to help reduce the
risk of breast cancer, and a lot

of women and she's going to be
doing I think you heard it when

she spoke about it. At the VIP
party, she's gonna be doing

some, some tests and trials to
try to prove that theory if they

start giving women the weight
loss shot, if it, you know,

reduces these cells that are
that are causing the problems.

That's interesting, because
because we were having an exempt

pick.

pandemic, not a pandemic, it's
an epidemic of ozempic in the

sense that it's kind of being
overused. And are we going to

really know, because you can
lose muscle mass, you could lose

bone density, and I'm fit and
I'm skinny, and I'm pretty, but

it's like, is it gonna stay that
way? And have I right?

You're probably like me, like,
you look at something like that.

And you're like, Oh, that can't
be good for you. Like, that's

how, that's what I thought out
of the gates. I'm like, you

know, the easy answer is never
the best one. That's what what I

always think. But you know, to
have the sign off from Dr. O

means something to me, you know.
So, you know, you're right,

there's, there's still things to
learn about it. But those are

the two big things. So
nutrition, exercise and alcohol.

So I kind of put exercise and
nutrition together. low fat diet

is great. She says if you've had
breast cancer before, keeping to

a low fat diet, tried to keep to
your, your good body weight, all

that stuff is good. She said
even like a 10% weight increase

after you've had breast cancer
can increase your risk of breast

cancer by like 50%. I mean, it's
like, it's crazy, how important

all that stuff is. But earlier,
I was also talking about, you

know, knowing your risk. And so
as women, some of the risk

factors are like I said, getting
older, if you've never had

children, I've never had
children before. I didn't know

that was a risk factor. Not that
it would have changed anything.

But it's just good to know. You
know, if you have cancer in your

family, obviously, which when I
was diagnosed, I was like, Oh, I

just have this one person on my
mom's side. And these couple

people, my dad's I was like,
that's not really anything. But

when I did the genetic testing,
they had me do something. I

think it's called like a
genogram, where you put like

your family tree, and then you
put any anybody who had cancer,

you write on it. So we did all
this research and found that was

all this cancer on my dad's
side. And so it we're pretty

confident that that breast
cancer came from my my dad's

side, however, none of the genes
have been tested for have been

linked back to breast cancer. So
they haven't found the gene yet

that does that. But so genetic
testing, I'm a big proponent of

that, if you've had, if you had
any kind of cancer before

getting the genetic testing is
super important for your family.

And it gets really good thing to
do. But yeah, I mean, to me,

that's a pretty good toolkit.
All right. Yeah, genetic

testing, I, I

that's something that I want to
put onto the to the to do list

and perhaps the they can do full
body scans. Now. It's a weird,

it's like under the radar. A lot
of people don't know about it. I

don't know, if any insurance
companies really cover it, but

someone told me you can get a
full body scan, and it'll it'll

outlet lately. You could see
what's happening in your body.

Oh, what is this? What is it?
Yeah, might as well do? I did a

thing because, you know, gosh,
after having breast cancer, or

you know, you just kind of go
through phases where you're

like, oh, man, I just, you know,
I'm not going to oncologist

anymore. And I'm just kind of
freaked out. I just want to kind

of get a clean bill of health
kind of thing. And so I went to

a company called via scan here
in Dallas, and they did like a

body scan. And then, you know,
inevitably just so you know,

like everybody has like, CES.
Almost everybody has ces of some

kind. But you know, there were
some that they wanted me to

chase down and make sure of
course, everything turned out

great. But yeah, and that wasn't
covered by insurance, but it was

It wasn't so outlandish that you
couldn't afford it either. But

yeah, I mean, doesn't

It just kind of makes you want
to do that doesn't it's like I

just want to I just want to
know, you know? Yeah. Oh, man.

It's, it's yeah, definitely
empowering yourself

to either prevent or

prevent it from happening again.
Right? Yeah, yeah, I had it. I

had a male drum teacher and El
Paso, Texas growing up who got

breast cancer as it happens in
men too. So yeah, well, did you

know Peter, Chris from Kiss had
breast cancer? I did not know

that. Why? Yeah, he did. The
heavy metal. Have you talked to

him about it? No, I haven't.
I've talked to people in his

circle about it, but haven't
been able to get him because I

would really love to have him at
a drum Athan, I think it would

be super fitting into habitable.
Yeah. And we have a survivor's

group on Facebook called
survivors, rock, breast cancer

can stick it community. And we
have a male breast cancer

survivor in that group who's a
police officer. And so it's

really cool. I've done some
interviews with him. It's

interesting to hear their side,
of course, the likelihood of a

man getting breast cancer is
super low. But I mean, just like

everybody says, you find
anything that's not normal, you

got to go get it checked out. I
mean, and people who are like

afraid to go get it checked out.
It's like, dude, trust me, you

should be more afraid to not get
it checked out, you know, is

profound, actually. Yep. A lot
of people don't like going to

the doctor and stuff. It's like,
look it just do it and just just

do it consistently. You know,
for many years, my dad would not

go to the dentist and I was
like, Dad, what are you British?

Come on here.

He finally went. And I was like,
this is much better, you know?

Yeah. You know, much, much
better. Well,

what am I forgetting? I'm trying
to do my best Mario Lopez here.

Great Mario. Um, I guess the one
thing I'll say you were kind of

talking about, like the future
of things. And yeah, another

thing that like I have another
dream is, you know, we have

Droppeth on every year here. But
I have this Oh, you want to take

it on the road? Do I want to do
the drum Athan like summer tour

or something like big time, man,
I really want to do that hit all

the big markets, you know, reach
all the folks and those

different cities and states that
are familiar with breast cancer

can stick it and, and just the,
I don't know, the

the hope and positivity and joy
being a part of breast cancer

can stick it can bring to your
life. I mean, I just really want

to bring that to people and
awareness, of course, you know,

fundraising, the whole package,
I mean, there's just so much

with breast cancer can stick it
that you can get out of it,

whether it's helping you to know
when to go the doctor or

bringing some new friends in
your life, you know, it's just

a, it's just a really great
package that I really want to

take around too. I can see that,
hey, if there's any grant

writers out there, people who
are connected who can get

government grants, I think that
it would be a result of getting

the grant because you know that
the budget is going to go up,

but you could probably get a
skeleton crew together, like

okay, thanks. People are gonna
fly. We need hotels, gotta have

relationships with back backline
companies. So not many, you

know, because if you get a semi
truck,

that would be great, because you
gotta have a driver, and then

all the gear is there, but then
maybe it's more cost effective

to just get backline. And yeah,
we just have to get seven like

some kind of those those wraps
that you put on the makeup pink.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's,
there's, there's definitely a

way to do it. And I can, I can
definitely see that happening.

No problem of obviously, there's
anything that I could do. I

mean, I'm just thrilled to be in
your orbit. I'm thrilled to know

you. I'm thrilled to know your
story. And I'm thrilled to be

part of breast cancer kids take
it from there. Thank you so

much. And I'm sure I've told you
this before, you know, I met you

and Mark Schulman on the NAMM
floor 2013 in the Sabian booth.

And from the moment I met you
guys, I was like, I want to be

like those guys. Like I like
like you guys are just big

mentors. To me. It's not just
about your fantastic drumming.

It's just about you as people
that you guys, you're not just

sitting around and just playing
drums, you're you're doing

motivational speaking you're
you're releasing books, you're,

you're reaching people, and I
just thank you for being such a

mentor to me and for everything
you've done for breast cancer

could stick it and still do.
It's just I can't even I don't

even know how to thank you, man.
Well, I just got a bunch of

goosebumps all over my body. And
it's really it's the, the I'm

sure the pleasure is ours. And
you know, the funny thing is, is

I'm thinking about your future.
Growing breast cancer can stick

it

as a foundation and an event.

You're gonna speak, you're
already doing it, you know what

I mean? And now you're just now
you have a platform with this

book. It's gonna be a bestseller
on Amazon. And then you're gonna

start doing keynote speeches.
And what's great about doing

keynote speeches is

even if you have drumming
related

injuries or you get carpal
tunnel, right. As long as you

got the gift the gap, which is
what you have it, you can go in

and impact people. Yeah, yeah.
And I would love I would love to

do that I've done some speaking
engagements, haven't done them

in a hot minute. Do some like
lunch and learns with businesses

around town through zoom. Got
something coming up, I think

possibly with a soft drink
company this year. So yeah, I

mean, I'm trying to step into
that realm. Rich. I'll be

calling you Hey, man, what do I
do? Oh, I love it. Well, yeah,

man, ya know, it's anytime. And
you know what we're talking

about making friends and
relationships and lifelong

friends. I got to I got to give
it up for Shawn Messick, man,

you you said hey, you know,
babysit this guy for two days.

And, and he did man and we
really got to know each other.

And he's just wow, what a great
guy. Such a blessing man. He

came in 2014 we were doing a
fundraiser in Corpus Christi

with AJ pero from Twisted
Sister. Oh, God rest his soul

man. YEAH. Jimmy Deanna from
bullet boys and toilet cut up

from Tesla. And he was you came
in to help tech. So he and

another friend of mine, we had a
mutual friend and he brought

Shawn and ever since that
moment, man, Shawn and I've been

locked in. He's been a part of
breast cancer kids ticket since

that since that meeting, and
just such a such a blessing. And

just I mean, talk about
positivity and encouragement,

like I bring. Shan Shan we're
talking about you, man. And he

heard in my little clinic that I
did over a Dallas percussion

that I have a love affair with
octopuses right now or octopi.

And I just think that they're
the most incredible frickin gift

from God creatures. They're
just,

they're undeniably special
creatures. And he bought me an

octopus shirt. Oh, that's
excellent. That's awesome. It

came in them. It was an octopus.
It's an octopus playing the

drums, which is Oh, that's even
better has like, it's like

totally crazy. So. So usually, I
think is a good way to end this.

We talk about the Fave Five.
What's your favorite color?

Favorite color will hot pink
now. Come on. It was perfect.

How often do you get to get that
hair colored? Every six weeks?

That's Oh my god. I color my
hair more than you do. I just

got this. This color today. I
won't even tell you what it

comes out. It's a coat of paint.
Oh my god. How about a favorite

food or a dish? I love Mexican
food. Love it. Tex Mex all the

way. You're in the right city
for that? Yes, absolutely.

That's what I actually told. I
told Sean I said, Hey, can you

take me to a taco Gabbana? I
like it. I know it's fast. No, I

dig it too. I like it a lot.
What about your favorite drink?

favorite drink is a it's a what
is it called? Now? They keep

changing the name of it. It's an
iced espresso. From from

Starbucks, of course. Yeah.
Kenny G loves you. Now Kenny G

owns a large portion of
Starbucks. So Oh, really? He

loves. He's thanking you for
your business. Now this one is

tough. This is the kind of thing
where whether it's the artist or

the melody, or just the
drumbeat, you don't know why,

but this song just haunts you in
your life. And when it comes on

the radio, you're gonna crank it
up. What's What would be your

favorite song? Are you with me
now by 6am? Oh, Nikki six? Yeah,

yeah. And, you know, oddly,
James, Michael. He played drums

on that. He's a singer. And he
played drums on those albums,

those early albums. And it's so
good. I just love it. I don't

know why, but I figured that's
the song that came to my head.

I'm gonna say it. I know. It's
one of my favorites. Well, more

time was the title was so it's
called Are you with me? By

today? Yeah. Yeah. Big fan of
6am music. I'm always also

feeling that way by journey as
another one so Balan. Oh, nice.

I love that. And then what would
be your favorite movie? Favorite

movie? Oh my gosh. I don't know.

Best in Show probably. That's
maybe airplane. I know. It's

my parents, man. I can't believe
that. Let us watch that. 1977 I

mean that none of this would fly
anymore. Oh, I drive. I know. I

know. I know. What. It's
amazing. It's red and white.

Looks like a big Tylenol. I
mean, there's just so many great

quotes in that stupid movie.
It's it's, it's terrible. But I

mean, it's the quotes, you know,
and I love this show. Because

what is it? It's Thanksgiving
every day, the best in show is

on on Thanksgiving Day. The best
shows on after the Macy's Day

Parade. And I am a sucker. I'm
not really. You know, I might

get some hate mail for this. I'm
more of a cat person than I am a

dog person because I can't walk
a dog three times a day. But I

can leave for a week. Right
right

I just throw some food out there
and they're good to go. Yeah,

that's crazy.

Well, this has been so much fun
and I think the book is great

ladies and gentlemen the book is
called breast cancer can stick

it you can get it at Jeff
bezos.com amazon.com the same

company that will deliver your
toilet paper and everything that

is so convenient. Pick up the
book. There it is. It's an

incredible read. I read it cover
to cover as soon as I got it's

very very inspiring. Breast
cancer can stick it.org April

samuels.com April thank you so
much. So it's great to see you.

Thank you so much rich for
having me and thanks again for

all you do for breast cancer can
stick it man. I oh hey, maybe

we'll see you in October I it's
a great thing. Yeah, one more

time what is happening in
October where when in time

drummer on October 28 12. To
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