The Rich Redmond Show

Unknown: What, how did you
perceive wearing glove? I would

never wear gloves. I hope it
doesn't anyone in here. If you

guys work gloves, I do from time
to time. I would rather just

lose cows and rebuild them. And
I would never

want to do it, but helps your
grip better. I what I when I do

it is during the I don't really
drop sticks, though colder

months, in the colder months,
your my skin will split. Mine

does that? That's, oh yeah, mine
splits really bad. Then I'll put

the

Johnny, and I carry tons and new
skin around. So, yeah. So we'll

put the hydrogen peroxide in
there to clean it. Then we put

on layers and layers of new
skin. I might even gaff tape

that up. And then I'll throw on
the Zildjian glove on my left

hand. This is the rich Redmond
show. Hey,

what part of town Do you live
in? Man, I'm living in

Donaldson. Nice, Donaldson

and hermitage is where
everybody, yeah, starts, you

know, and then sometimes they'll
get away from there, but yeah,

we'll just ride it out. Man,
I've

kind of lived all over the
place, though, you know, just

uh, pretty much every part of
town. I think it's nice to be by

the airport. Honestly, that was
like half the reason I'm like,

Man, six minutes from the
airport is saves a lot of time

and money, honestly, the amount
you fly. But what's

the weirdest smell you've ever
smelled? The

well smell? Ever smell well?
John and I have been on a lot of

tour busses, so honestly,

our everyone in my band,
they're, they're pretty clean,

like, there's no bat. We don't
have any weird smells or

anything.

A bunch of metrosexuals on there
just covered in Dolce and

Gabbana. What?

Honestly, no, everyone's just
clean.

Oh, let's go clean deodorant.
And, yeah,

what? Just takes care of them.
So honestly, the it's the worst

smell I've ever smelled, and
I'll never forget is when I was

Uber driving in Nashville. Oh,
my God, it's the, yeah, the

first couple years pretty rough.
It was the smell of drunk people

in my car. Oh, 3am that breath,
and that's alcohol smell, just

soaked in alcohol. Yeah, it just
smells like Broadway. And I'm

just like, I could never get
over that smell. So, get

this, it was the other day I got
picked up with my Uber to the

airport. And, you know, I
ordered it the night before.

It's one of those ungodly pickup
times like 445 in the morning.

So this guy is on time. You
know, I treated myself. Got a

little black car, so there's a
little bit of extra space. He

shows up. I didn't really notice
any smell or anything. But then

halfway through the ride, he
goes, everything should be

great. Back there, I scrubbed
and cleaned and sprayed, but

someone threw up, like, an hour
ago, and right where I'm

sitting, like, right where he's
like, Yeah, I'm sorry, bro. I

was like, Why didn't you tell me
ahead of time? Well, I thought

you might not take the trip.
And, yeah, why wouldn't? Why

would you tell me? Anyway, he
should have just, like, don't

tell you. Plus they make, like,

bucks from that so they can
just, I know, take, take a day.

Yeah, I

know a lot of you know Uber
drivers. I, for whatever reason,

I prefer Lyft. I like the
branding. I like the color. It

just seems like the company
culture is, did you drive for

both?

No, I just did. I did Uber
because I didn't want to answer

to a boss or do a nine to five.
I just wanted to make my my

rent, yeah, practice or do
whatever. It

was pretty smooth working for
that corporation because it's

faceless and it's hard to get
anybody on the phone at,

yeah, it's weird, honestly. And
I never contacted it. It's it.

When I did it, it was very early
in Nashville, so you barely had

to, like, register. It was kind
of sketchy, yeah. But there were

no, like, Uber lanes. It was way
before COVID, you know, and all

that stuff so, and it was crazy
too. At one point I was just

like, Man, I just like, so I
dipped that after about two

years of doing it, yeah, but it
was, like, the only time I would

just go out and do nights. Did
you do Uber Eats? No, I never

really thought about that kind
of wish I did at that point, you

know. But, uh, yeah, I just, I
just did it, you know, just got

the new waiting tables, like,
because I waited tables, I

parked cars, i i made copies. I
did, like, construction. I mean,

you do these things, you know,
so, and that's the new version

of it, because it's totally
flexible. You could work

whenever you feel like it. That

was me. I just didn't want to
have to, like, hey, I need a

Thursday and Friday offer a gig.
Yeah, I don't want to answer to

anybody. The

other one is, like, people work
at the pearl factory, you know,

or they'll work at innovative
percussion wrapping mallets, you

know? Yeah, so that's cool, man.
Did you do that too? I didn't

wrap mallets. No, I was a
substitute teacher, so I taught,

were you really K through three
to me, K through three, you can

still make a difference. And
they're like, Hey, Mr. Rabin.

Mr. Rabin, when is what can we
go out and play on this? And

like, Yeah, I'll come out. Like,
I'd get on the jungle gym with

him and stuff. Yeah, that
recess. And they'd like, Oh,

you're so cool. And then like,
what are we gonna do now? Nap

time.

We're gonna nap. I would have
loved you as a

teacher. I feel like that would
have been a lot of fun.

Honestly,

I need to ask you, does this
smell like chloroform?

Get up. You got the sounds too?
No way.

Oh my gosh, Jim, try to use some
of the. Dark horses that we

don't use a lot today. You got

the air horn on the

Oh, yeah.

That always reminds me of a
predators game. Yeah, you know

when I teach kids shuffles,
because it's like, you're great

at shuffles because you're a big
band musician. We're going to

talk about that. But there's
shuffles aren't on the radio

anymore. So I always say like,
Hey. You know when you go to a

football game or a hockey games,
like, damn,

I say that's a shuffle. Kids,

yeah, it's a triplet. They've
heard it. They don't

know. It's just they say, Why do
you think that is? Why do you

think it's like, yeah,

why do you think I mean, unless
you're almost, like, nearly

every pre, early version of
Green Day had a shuffle on it.

Yeah?

You know what I mean, yeah. And,

you know, it's funny, because in
the Huey thing that I'm doing,

which is may 28 in the city
winery of Nashville, I like how

you drape the fourth wall, just
like Mr. Roper. I just look

right at the camera. Yeah, they
said because, you know, huey's

music has so many shuffles,
yeah. And the guitar player, he

says, You can't find many
drummers that can do a good

shuffle, yeah, anymore. It's a
dying so I'm committed to it.

I'm doubling down. So

with your gig, we got Jonathan
boswick in the house. He's a

Ohio native, from Dayton, Ohio,
big rock and roll town, Guided

by Voices the pretenders. And he
was telling me, the fun capital

of the world are one of them the
Ohio players. Yeah, you started

playing drums at age 12. You
went to the Cincinnati

Conservatory of Music, that's a
mouthful. And you studied with

John von Olin. He's still alive.
Um,

no, he passed away a few years

ago say that on his wiki,
really, I should. I should? I

mean

if, if, for people who know him
and are aware of who he is, he's

a big deal. So Woody Herman

drummer, Stan Kenton's drummer.
And he always had a when I was

at North Texas, we would always
try to find the perfect Big Band

ride symbol, yeah, would have a
bell. Would have a wall symbols,

man and ding, ding. You can do
the dang. Cut through 17 guys

and let them know where the beat
was. And I love that, that you

were a jazz cat. I mean, we're
gonna have to dig in and talk

about that. But since 2021 you
know you're fresh meat, you've

been touring with award winning
country artist, Parker McCollum.

I love the guy because he's at
the crossroads of big Nashville

machinery, Texas, the Texas
thing, the singer songwriter

thing, you guys did Parker's
burn it down. Headlining tour,

you've been direct support on
Morgan wallins one night at a

time. World Tour, you performed
direct support for George Strait

at his record breaking show at
Kyle Field. That had to be

amazing. That is the largest
single ticketed event in US

history, 102,000 people. Man,

so, so fun fact, Zildjian, when
I, when I got my Zildjian and

big first endorsement, yeah,
they like, butchered my bios.

I'm not hating on them, but
yeah, that was just like, that's

pretty funny. I don't care. Is

that the correct bio that I
have? So it was 110,000 110,000

but, uh, I think Zach Brian just
beat that record for a show he's

doing in Michigan or so, wow,
like, 112 I thought, either way,

it's crazy, like, man, it was
wild. Yeah, for at least 30

minutes, we had that whole
crowd, because we got to play

for at least, I think, like,
over an hour. We had a good

time, that's what. Yeah, it was
fun, man. And I remember just

looking up and going, man,
everyone's here. This is, like,

the it was cool. And I wasn't, I
wasn't nervous. It was just fun.

All

the cool people in Texas are
here playing massive crowds is

not usually nerve wracking. It's
when you have to do like, the

softest press role in your life
for like five of your

colleagues, and they're like,
right there, yeah. I mean,

that's the kind of stuff that
makes me nervous. Really. I

get honest, I genuinely get more

nervous and care more about how
everyone in the band feels.

Like, I want everyone to come
off the stage saying, Hey, that

was a great show. High five,
yeah? Like, the I've never

really gotten in my head about
the crowd size, because what I'm

really caring about is, like,
making sure everyone here on

stage that feels good, yeah?
Like, I honestly get more

nervous in a club than, like, a
stadium or an arena, yeah,

because every you can see
everybody stadiums are so it's

weird. They're so far away.
Still, kind of,

do you pick out somebody to kind
of focus on the quadrants, like,

there's a blonde, there's a
brunette, there's redhead here,

those cool looking dude right
there with his kids. Sometimes

I'll

stare at people, but then after
a while, I'm like, Oh, wait,

they totally notice I'm staring
at them. Even in an arena, I'm

like, they totally I feel like
they're looking at me. And I'm

like, Oh, this is weird. Okay,
so I, you were trying to vibe

them out. Yeah, sometimes I
really, like, try to commit. I'm

like, No, I'm looking at this
person. I'm not breaking and I'm

like, no, they, they're looking
right at me too. Though this is

weird.

You got a nice setup. I mean,
you've got, like, very musical,

dark symbols. You got some K's
up there. I love the case. And

you're saying, Vic Firth. Vic
Firth makes a nice drumstick. We

love Vic. Very consistent. And
then congratulations, you got

this craviato Drum deal? Thank
you, man. I mean, it's a big

one. I remember Chris McHugh. We
did some shows. There you are.

Everybody loves cravio.
Everybody's making a great drum.

That's the thing is, like, even
like, if CB, 700 Is around,

they've had to up their game.
You know what? I mean,

everybody's making great stuff,
other otherwise you don't

survive. But I remember, years
ago, we were doing support for

Keith Urban, and Chris McCarthy
was like, come on, check out my

new tub. So I go up there, and
I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm

like, yeah, they're nice. They
sound like drums. But he goes,

he goes, guess what? Guess how
much these are? And I was, like,

$8,000 ago, $12,000

I remember when he sold that
whole setup too. Yeah, sonar. He

made a switch. Yeah, he switched
to, I think sonar, at least I've

seen him playing that, yeah,

sonar is making a cup. Yes,
they're, they're, they're being

aggressive. And then what do you
do for

heads? Uh, man, Remo, I just, I,
that's the one thing I just,

everyone's like, man, just do
Evans live. It doesn't matter.

I'm like, I know no one can tell
ahead I'm using blah, blah,

blah. But I'm

like, I just love Remo. There's
a soulful quality to Remo. I

just, I love

it, man, yeah, it's such a good
drum head. And to me, it's, it's

just, it's a huge part of making
even a better kit feel amazing.

I just, I just have to have them
on there. I just do, I will not

compromise on that one. I love
that. I love

that about you. And you've done
all the TV shows. So fun doing

the CMT and ACM Awards tonight
show. You got the fallons, you

got the kimmels, you got CMA
fest. You guys do the Houston

rodeo with the spinning stage
stage coach that used to rodeo.

I mean, there's a lot of rodeos
out there, but that is like the

premier.

Like, that's the one man, as far
as I've been told, you know,

well, we've done the San Antonio

rodeo before. That was kind of
like, it was like, no offense,

San Antonio. We love your
restaurants. We love your water

walk, your your river walk. But,
I mean, the Houston rodeo is,

like, it's,

it's from everyone, what
everyone tells me, because,

again, I'm from Ohio, yeah? So
when I was doing all this Texas

stuff, I was like, I some of it.
I'm like, Yeah, this is huge. Is

a big deal, but what's the
gravity of and they're like,

Dude, this is, like, the biggest
rodeo

in the country, yeah? And I'm
like, oh, and they have, like, R

B night, and they have country
night, and they'll have, yeah,

it's not just a bunch and it's
like, it just packs out with

that, with the fans of those
genres, and you're playing

right in the middle of the rodeo
arena, on the dirt, yeah? Like,

like, the

band will schlep it out and the
dirt, you know, yeah. And then

we'll go out, we'll get into
place, right? And there's this

anticipation. The crowd can feel
it. And then usually the artist

will come out on some sort of a
truck or something, yeah, you

can

ride the whole stage, moves out
into the center of the dirt.

It's like, this giant rig that
they it's, I don't, I forget how

much it is. It's, like, a couple
million dollars. It's nuts.

Yeah, I

saw it the other day. You had,
like, the the fingers that came

down, yeah, like

the big it looks like, maybe, I
don't think star. It's

like a sun. It's like, straight
out of close encounters. It's

like, yeah, it looks like a
shit. It's like, like a mother

ship. You know what I

mean, is that there permanently,
or they just do it once a year?

Oh, once a year. Yeah, okay,
yeah.

But it's that same one. I'm
pretty sure it's the

thing where, you know, Jason,
sometimes he'll get salty, and

he said, he said some blue words
before, and they were like,

you're never coming back. And
every year he comes back. So

pretty amazing. So where's the
rest of the band? Is everybody

Nashville based? No, I'm the
only one that's Nashville based.

So how does that work with
travel?

Um, the the crew side of things
is a lot bigger now. There's,

there's actually a good chunk of
Nashville people involved now,

but when I originally joined, I
was pretty much doing like a

weekly commute to Austin. I'd
fly in there, and then I'd Uber

about 30 minutes to Bucha,
Texas, and

they cover all that. Yes, sir,
yeah.

They were in the what do they
call that? The hills, the Hill

Country?

Yeah, I think so. I still don't
know my Texas geography that,

well, that's a beautiful area,
but, uh, yeah, but beaut is

boring. I was in like a, I was
in like a, like a warehouse lot.

There was a backline company.
Those guys are they would let me

come in and they, like,
sometimes even feed me there. I

was, like a stray dog. When I,
yeah, I'd get there, like, six

hours early, 10 hours they just
hang out. The manager at the

time would fly me in, like,
super early. I don't know if

that was just for convenience or
whatever, make sure you get

there. But I was just rolling
with it. So I'm like, cool, and

I would just spend my day till
buzz call in a warehouse lot in

Bucha, Texas. Yeah, but yeah,
just flying. And then I'd fly

back home at Austin every week
pretty much

so Ohio is not known for Mexican
food. So have you developed the

Hey, I, you know what? I grew up
near a really good Mexican

restaurant. Oh, did you
restaurant. Oh, did you, yeah,

nice. My buddy Alejandro, his
Alejandro dad ran it, and it was

fantastic. Did

you the street tacos with the
cilantro and the onions and all

that? Yeah, it was, like,

a normal kind of, like, Mexican
restaurant. I had, like, all the

burritos, like, kind of wherever
you go, but they did it

just really nice. There's really
special about Tex Mex though,

you know? I mean, oh my

god, yeah, I've had a bunch of
it now, and it's, oh my

goodness, it's amazing. I love
it so much, dude,

so great. So I'm so glad, man,
you know, you just told me, you

just, you're just about turned
30 years old. And, yeah, January

turned 30. Oh, last 30, yeah.
And, you know, you got

everything lined up. This gig is
not going away. I mean, this kid

Parker is going to be doing this
thing for

20 years, at least. I think so.
And I know that feels like it,

man. Um, at this point I've been
in it for a couple years now, so

sometimes I have a hard time
telling you know, I see

everything is good, and it feels
like it's moving that way. So

does everybody get in the in the
band along smashingly? Oh, yeah,

man. And I love that band. Those
Those guys have been amazing to

work with. Um, yeah. And we have
two new members that joined, and

they just even, even brought it
home even more. Yeah, yeah. Man,

fun. Totally great.

Jim, any questions so far?

How was this? You know, we were
talking about the smell before.

Oh yeah, yeah. Weirdest smell.
Did we dig in deep enough for

you?

I don't know. Well for us, I
don't think we did. We're

relatively

you know, we got it down. I
mean, we I got I

can relate to what you're
talking about, the smoky alcohol

smell,

but it didn't even smell like
alcohol. It smelled like alcohol

that didn't sitting in your
stomach right for a couple of

breath. That's that alcohol
breath, because

I remember the the worst smell,
like, what would be the weirdest

smell for me, other than
Bradford pear trees, which

smells like piss and fish?

What? Maybe that Iggy Pop guy?
He probably smells weird. Oh,

there was

like, you know, when he used to
play clubs, remember what?

Because in Nashville, I don't
think they permit smoking in the

clubs anymore, right? No
cigarettes. So back in the day,

the good old days, yeah, in the
90s, when I used to play,

getting home at three, 4am and
dropping your pants to go to

bed, and that whoosh, the smoke
comes out of every smoke, and

the the alcohol was like, oh my
Yeah.

And then you're drunk, dropping
your pants. Yeah,

from Yeah, because you'd just
throw them off. You want to get

the bed,

you know. Wait, I don't mean to
be you're downstairs. Smelled

like alcohol might.

No, I paid, uh, clubs, I know,
but they said and you'd smell

alcohol like you'd smell alcohol
down there,

alcohol and smoke and all that
was like,

what? So when you open up your
drum cases the next

cigarettes that too. I'm glad
not to have gear that's covered

in cigarette smoke, yeah, but
something about a smoke filled

club,

though, we lived through it, and
we lived through you could smoke

on airplanes. Honestly,

I would have, I would have loved
to rip a heater on a plane. Man,

that'd be, that'd be nice

smoking in malls. Remember
smoking in That sounds lovely.

I know maybe we'll get back to
that. Yeah,

in this world, it's so
everything is just so PC, and

it's all the fun. It's gone

too soft, man. We gotta bring
cigarettes back into public

spaces buildings. There's a

part of me that agrees, yeah,
man, or at least we have gone

soft. The

BNA has a Hoon lounge, a what
smoke lounge. Like, who am I

real? Yeah, yeah, um. And, like,
a it's, I forget which wing it

is, but if you happen to be over
there, you're like, Man, I

really want it like a cigarette.
Just sounds good right now. You

can walk in there. I don't do it
too often, but it also, like,

that's

one thing I have never put in my
mouth, actually.

The other we went up to an Elks
Lodge, I want to say Madison,

north of Nashville, see a
friend's band, yeah. And it was

one of these things where, you
know, if you remember, they

allowed smoking inside. And it
was like, this is kind of

nostalgic,

yeah, it is. And the second hand
smokes kind of nice, yeah. My

grandma smoked like, two packs a
day. So whenever we go over

there that smell it, whenever I
smell it, I feel like I'm home

in a weird way, my parents room,
it was just my grandmother's

house. But whenever I smell
that, I feel like my grandma's

and it's comforting in a weird
way, secret

smell that is embedded in 70s
vinyl cars. 70s vehicles, vinyl.

Yeah, that's what I grew up
with. It's hard

to get out

my parents, man, my mom was a
nurse, and this, like, this the

strangest thing, but they would
both, they sit on either side of

me at the dinner table, and they
just puff smokers in my face,

yeah. Like, that's just a normal
thing. 1976 Yeah. So I started

playing drums in 1976 you said
age 12, that does that wasn't

very long, though that was,

well, no, I, I started playing
drums. I was like a little baby,

yeah? But, I started playing in
church around 12 years old. Oh,

that's when I

church is such a common thing
now. So like, every Sunday

you're playing in church.

Yeah, I play the main service. I
remember doing like, the youth

band, and that was huge for me,
because my parents didn't want

me playing bars or anything. And
our church actually had, like, a

really good, not a music
program, but just the musicians

that were involved in the youth
band and the main church band,

like a lot of them, went and did
something musically. It was, it

was a really cool time to be
there, when that church was,

like, doing really well, um, it
was, yeah, it was fun. And

that's contemporary

Christian music, like Michael W
Smith and that kind of stuff,

yeah, that's, that's what I grew

up on, like, um, the early Hill
song records, CCM music, Michael

W Smith, pretty much name any
early CSM artists we grew up on

that, like the Live worship
records. And

isn't that crazy? That's all
recorded here.

Yeah. And, man, those, those CCM
records, are recorded there. To

me, they're some of the best
sounding records ever made,

really, like, like, some of
Michael W Smith stuff just

sounds so damn good, yeah,

we had Scott Williamson in here,
incredible CCM session drummer.

Yeah, he does all sorts of
stuff, but he gets called a lot

to do that stuff. We were just
talking about that record that

he played on Jesus freak for DC
talk, yeah, dude, it still holds

up really well, dude,

I had a VHS tape of that. That
album was like the. And the live

record that changed my life when
I was a little kid, that was,

and I remember, yeah, I yeah, I
love that. That was playing back

beats, doing that kind of stuff,
right? Yeah. And then, so, when

did the, when did the jazz? What
did your parents do? Did they

play music? Or how did you get
into the jazz thing? Man, um,

I can tell you exactly when, uh,
when I was a really little kid,

I would go to the library and
just get, like, 20 CDs. I'd grab

it from every genre, just
because, for me, it was just fun

to, like, it's free, yeah. And
just to, like, sit behind the

drums and just play the music.
And just, I loved how my brain

felt. It just felt so reactive.
And just I felt so free doing

it. That's cool. And I got a
record by an artist named Jamie

column, yes, he's a British Jazz
Pop artist, yeah, and he's got a

song called photograph on there,
and the piano solo. That's when

I was like, I love jazz now,
yeah. And just started listening

to that a ton, and ultimately
fell in love with it, not

because I wanted to make a
career out of that and moved to

New York, but I just loved how
it made my playing, my playing

field. It made everything so
much easier to play, yeah, and

it was just, and just being able
to learn how to express

yourself, you know,
spontaneously with other people,

I think, is so valuable. And,
yeah, that was just such a fun

time. From there through
basically college, I studied it

and was obsessed with it. And
then I moved here, and I was

like, all right time to shift
gears and learn the national

thing.

Back beat it up. So the
Cincinnati conservatory,

conservatory for music. It's a
mouthful city, University

of Cincinnati, which is also a
mouthful too. You can't really

win either way. Art gore

and John Van all and so did you
have to audition to get in?

Yeah, it was a pretty selective
program. And this isn't, this

isn't saying much for me,
because I was still, I was wait

listed and put on academic
probation. But I think out of

the 3000 people that usually
applied, they took 300 Oh, wow.

And it was really, I loved it.
It kicked my ass, man. But, but

ultimately, once I got, like,
once I got accepted and went to

that program, I was there for
about three years and

but three years you're so close
to graduating,

not if you're, if you're, if
you're on the right track, the

way they had the curriculum set
up. And basically I there was

one class I didn't pass, and
because of that, it offset my

whole schedule for the four
years. And because of that one

class, it was realistically
going to take me six years to

graduate. Yeah, and, and I still
got a ton from the classes. All

the All, everything was
accelerated. So I was doing, you

know, we were doing jazz theory.
We also had to do a mandatory

minor in classical theory, all
the ear training, all the sight

singing, all that stuff,
screaming, dude, yeah, and like,

here's the key, here's the
music, sing the melody. Oh,

dude, you know that stuff, or,

um, I'd stay up all night
working on that kind of Yeah,

because I am not a natural Yeah.
Your music school, you, but

you're, but you're a natural
singer, and you sing background,

yes, sir, in park in Parker's
band, which, which is great. So

it's probably not sight
screaming for you. You were

actually saying no. But

that really helped that stuff, I
think, go from just like a raw

ability that I got from my mom
or learned in church and stuff

to it. I didn't really notice
how much of an effect positively

my schooling took until I was a
few years out of it, yeah, and

doing, like, the stuff I'm doing
now, and just how much better it

made my ear and those kind of
things, being

able to scribble out a chart,
because you Yeah, rhythmic

notation, and actually

write out, you know, the exact
rhythms that's like, your exact

rest and everything that you're

point something more prepared to
face anything that gets thrown

at you over Yeah, a lot of guys,
yeah. There's a lot of guys, as

you would that have amazing
careers that just must white

knuckle it, because they can't
write down a reminder for

themselves what the rhythm is.
So they must have look at the

brains on Brad, you know, like,

you know, from, from, like, they
need a charting course or

something. Yes, I feel pretty

lucky. My parents were, they
were very good about, you know,

because I wasn't really good at
much else. Like, they just, I

was immediately gravitating
towards drums and music. And

they were really great about,
you know, when they could

getting me drum lessons, you
know, drive me to con all, all

the things to, you know, get a
proper education. That's the one

thing they could understand.
Well, it's like, if he's going

to do this, he needs a good
education with it. Yeah, the

other stuff we don't get, he'll,
that's him, you know, in terms

of, like, making music and doing
the creative thing. But, um, I

was really grateful, from like,
sixth grade on to, you know,

have a teacher just literally do
the, you know, just go through

the actual flow of a stroke when
you're playing the drums, sure,

and do all the basics and really
learn that stuff and and

thankfully, like, I have my
wrists feel, still feel great. I

haven't messed up my hands.
Yeah, I don't have any

tendonitis. Yeah, everything
still works good, you know, just

strict. You

feel like you have anything like
that.

I think that any drummer my age
at that plays the way I play is

gonna feel things, you know, and
you're

working, man, you work harder
than I do, like partners,

music's different, yeah, you
know, Jason's me, like you're i.

You're going for blood every
night, where

this has, like a motorcycle
gang, yeah? But, I mean,

there's a way to to look like
you're hitting it and you do it

hard, but when you let the stick
kind of take the blow, yeah,

yeah, there's a way to do that
in the grip that you're holding

it right. And I drop,

I mean, I drop a lot of sticks
because I, I'm, I'm barely

holding on, yeah, I've got the
fulcrum where you pinch the

fulcrum, then you use these
fingers to kind of control and

drive the stigma that you don't
constrict it, yeah? And you got

to use your wrist, and also all
the right stuff that you learn

from, or playing orchestrally,
pulling timpani, yeah, pulling

off timpani, pulling all that
stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah. But

Jim, yeah, I wake up in the
morning, you know, with my left

hand, kind of like so like,
really, yeah, yeah. You just got

to shake it off. You run it
under hot water. You have a hand

massage. Put some bio freeze on.
I have a I bought the Big Daddy,

Thera gun, and I used to have

those. I lost it.

We have a hand, but you stick
your hand in this thing, and it

actually inflates. So, you know,
I've been shaking the rust off

myself, and I'm hitting harder
and I've ever hit, yeah, I'm

breaking all the sticks. For
some reason, my hands feel fine.

They get a little tired, yeah,
but I don't feel anything like

carpal tunnel II, you know what
I mean. But that hand massager,

what a difference. The

only time my hands were ever,
like, consistently, like

hurting, and it was just from,
like, playing so much and just

having to, like, work and just
try to, like, you know, like,

make it, you just keep things
going, pay the bills. Was

playing Broadway. That's a lot
of playing with my friend's

band, and then, and then drum
line in high school for a season

where I marched snare. Did

you ever kind of what? How did
you perceive wearing gloves?

Would gloves, where work, it or
help?

Man, I hope I would never wear
gloves. I hope that doesn't if

anyone

in here, if you guys, work
gloves, I do from time to time.

I would rather just lose cows

and rebuild them. And I would
never

want to do it, but helps your
grip better. I what when I do it

is during the I don't really
drop sticks, though colder

months, in the colder months,
your my skin will split. Mine

does that though that's Oh yeah.
Mine splits really bad. Then

I'll put

the with Johnny, and I carry
tons and new skin around. So

yeah. So we'll put the hydrogen
peroxide in there to clean it.

Then we put on layers and layers
of new skin. I might even gaff

tape that up. And then I'll
throw on the the Zildjian glove

on my left hand.

Honestly, that might be a safe
because mine do the exact same

thing. And there I'm talking,
like, huge splits. Yeah, I don't

know why, but whenever we tour
in the winter and it just, you

get through it, or you forget
about it during the show. But

what's happened? Man, I usually
get them, like, right along,

like my finger, or along, it's
like my fingerprint, where the

little crevices are the
fingerprint,

really, so along the along the
print, yeah, it's,

it hurts, man. It sucks, playing
with it. But you, I mean, I

forget about when I'm playing,
but after I'm like, I realize it

again. I'm like,

What about doing the tape thing?
The gauze taper on your like,

Alex Van Halen, I did super

glue for a while, really, just
because it was just because it

was just like, you know, fuck it
up

during the show. I mean, Johnny
will get out to strips of gaff

tape, that's smart, and I'll
just wrap gaff tape. And it

always happens here on the
pinky, because it's, you know, I

don't see your smallest finger,
and it's soaking up all this

shock from from back beats
sticks

draw your fingers up too. Yeah,
man, can't win. It's a tough

one. So

you just learn to deal. And you
know, we're so involved in in

that happy place. And you know,
music is taking us over. And so

sometimes you're, you're playing
the gig, and you look down,

there's like blood all over your
drums. You've cut yourself. You

didn't even know when you did
it. Yeah, you know, it's

amazing. Or the

cymbal pinch. I've only done
this a couple times, but it's,

oh my god, you got to pinch the
symbol, yeah. And then are like,

hint and pinch. And then you
Whack, whack your finger, like,

that shit out of you. Oh my god.
And then you got to keep

players, like,

screaming. So for this, you ever
hurt yourself and scream,

no, I just, I just try to keep
moving while you're playing. No,

I just try to keep moving. Yeah,

I'm saying, and then I gotta
talk.

Why is he saying, Mother,

you've got all those damn mics
back there. Because you've got a

count, a real mic. You've got a
Yeah, bitch Mike, you've got

all, you know, yeah, I

got a, I got a vocal mic for
and, but we hired a singer this

year, so, and honestly, it was
great news for me, because I was

singing every song, and on top
of that, doing count ins, you

know, and cueing, you know,
songs, and doing the set, you

know, just all that stuff kind
of, and it, it's been a lot, you

know, and learning it at first,
because I never did that when I

joined them, and they're like,
oh yeah, we need you to, like,

count off all these songs, or
that cue stuff, like, in the

show and, yeah, and also, like,
singing on every song. And I was

like, Man, this is like, Q
stuff, yeah, just like chorus up

here, you know. Or, you know, we
might have a song like the

Houston rodeo. We had the outro,
you know, on, um, his song, burn

it down while he's on his the
horse, riding around, doing the

thing, yeah, and the stage is
spinning and he's going the

other. And you're kind of, like,
trying to and then there's a

dude in your talk back who's
going, all right, he's off. And

then, like, All right, guys,
we're going out and what four

more measures, yeah, like, you
know, this is it kind of doing

that kind of stuff. And we're
directing traffic. We are, we're

traffic cops. But then I was
singing on every song too,

so be like,

like, it was stupid, man. That'd
be really interesting with your

posture, breath support. It made

me think about that stuff. Yeah,
a lot more. Again, it was, it

was great, like, really making
sure I, like, sitting up

straight, you know, and and just
being like, Man, I'm gonna

breathe so much more. You know,
some of the shows I would get a

little light headed because I'm
like, Oh my gosh, this is a lot.

But, yeah, figuring that out.
But yeah, they hired a new

singer named Aubrey sellers,
who's fantastic. Yeah, I know

their name. Yeah, her, her
father, forgive me, I forget his

name, but he produced Parker's
recent record. Her mom is Leanne

Womack, oh, okay, but she's
awesome, and she's in the band

now. She's on tour with us full
time, and she's being fantastic.

Jason sellers,

yes, yeah, yeah, that's produced

part. And then

she sang on the record too. So
it's just, it's perfect man and

and I can only sing like a
female so much, you know, I was

always seeing all these high
parts, you know, I can only

sound so like, yeah, you know.
And having a real woman sing

real female parts, yes, I'm so
happy. Are you doing falsetto or

Yeah, I was singing on top all
the time. And I, you know, just,

I grew up around my mom. She had
a really beautiful falsetto. And

I guess I just kind of, what
your folks do. You know, my mom

was a stay at home mom. She
worked for the county clerk's

office in Springboro, Ohio for,
I think, a second, and then my

dad worked at fifth, third bank.
Okay, for most of I think of us

being raised in Dayton, and then
we moved to Centerville, just a

better school system. We were
homeschooled back in Dayton and

moved to Centerville, Ohio, and
that that's where I kind of grew

a lot musically, because they're
like, alright, he loves drums.

We got to get them all into a
better, you know, better school

district or school system. And
so once I went there, and

Centerville High School had an
incredible music and arts

program. Oh, that's great. They
had so many bands and so and

that's where I just flourished.
And I just ran with it, yeah?

Because so much fun. You

got stage band, you got pep
band, you got the orchestra,

yeah, marching band, that's five

Symphonic Band, and they have
the orchestra and the actual

band come together and you have
competitions.

And I did that too. I mean, I
tried to do it, all of it, man,

I had zero interest in
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that's insane, dude, but you
also did,

what'd you do? A speed skater?

Yeah, right. Substitute teacher
speaks. Didn't you watch his

document? I was also,

no, he has a documentary. We
filmed the documentary. I gotta

watch this now. 22

I don't know if it's holding up.
I mean, maybe were

you, like, competitive? It was,
it was, it was

a photograph in time. It was, I
wrote down. I wrote down

photograph from mentioning it
before. It was

a snapshot of time. It was a
snapshot in time, friends for

like, 19 years. Yeah, and we met
initially because I was

interested in voiceover, which I
ended up pursuing and doing

stuff for me. Just like while I
was because I've been here 28

years, so, which is really
strange. By

the time you were there for when
you and I met, you were there

for about nine years. Yeah,

yeah, wow, Jim, yeah, I've known
you longer than not knowing you.

You know? I mean, that's crazy.
It's really crazy. It's crazy,

it's crazy, crazy, it's crazy.
So, so your parents were

supportive. Amazing. That's
fantastic. Who's your first drum

hero?

My first drum hero could be a
jazz guy,

man. I think one of my real
first, you know, drummers that I

saw on a professional scale
where I was like, really doing,

I was just like, yeah, that's
it. That's I want to, I want to

be like, This guy was a guy
named Teddy Campbell. Oh yeah,

yeah, man, fucker on the voice
he did. He was in the first

american idol band. And I just,
and back when American Idol was

like crazy, you know. And and
our family, my mom, like

everyone in my family, sings, so
we'd always watch American all

together. And, yeah, could all
together. And yeah, could take

the singers, or my mom was a
vocal coach too, but yeah,

watching him play with that
band, man, and play every

different song and style and
just deliver

Yeah. Nate Morton is the new
Kenny Campbell.

I love yeah for the voice. Yeah
Nate. He's great, man. And

then he, you know, that band was
Cher's band. And then they go

and they go, and they also do
all the ESPN awards, all these,

I don't know, athletic award
shows. They're the gram he's in

the Grammy band. So whenever you
see someone doing the Grammys

that doesn't obviously is not
playing the tracks, yeah, that's

the Grammy band they so this,
this last Grammys. They had 80

cues, and it was Nate and like
Leland scar Sklar playing, yes.

And I have my first session
coming up with the Leland scar

next Wednesday. I'm tracking
four songs, and then the tracks

are getting sent to Pasadena,
California, and he's gonna put

bass, yeah, on my tracks. Man,

what do you think? So, make sure
he's dancing first situation of

politics and Americans again.
Oh,

yeah, no, I

yeah, I avoid those
conversations. Here's the

tracks.

Also, what do you think about
Tesla you own? When you

get a buy one? Do you own
anything? Again, you know, going

back to what you guys talked
about, you were talking about

drumming in the cold, and it
brought back a an image, yeah,

because I was a big neil peart
guy, yeah. And I believe it

might have been in Modern
Drummer. Had to have been

because there was no Internet
back then. There was a picture

of him bundled up. I guess they
were doing an outdoor Jones

Beach type of amphitheater show,
right, yeah. And he had, like a

hat on scarf around, playing
outside. You know, I guess they

were doing a sound check or
whatever. And I'm going, how in

the world you gotta love it. You
gotta play that music for three

hours. In what 40 degree
weather, the space heater on?

Maybe, I don't know. I did. I
couldn't he was that a big Oh,

you could tell he's smiling, but
he only had his eyes showing

through. Yeah, and it's a
classic. You could probably find

it on, on the on the Google,
good lord. But my gosh, wow,

yeah, yeah, we imagine, man. So

you guys will probably do it, if
you haven't done it yet, but

they'll put you out on the the
veranda at 30 rock outside the

Today show. Oh, I hope not, man,
the winter, and we would be out

there and it would be like, you
know, like, five degrees or

something, and we'd be like, Oh
my God. And so they would, you

know, the staff would pass you
around these, yeah. And then you

gotta do, you gotta do the thing
you

play to, like, a live, recorded
performance. Or, do you guys do

it live or live, live.

We're lucky that for 20 years we
have been the go to live, live

band, which is, which is always
nice, you know, how many people

do that? But, you know, we just
did the opening of the national

final rodeos in Vegas. And we,
we mime to attract, you know,

but, but, you know, I write
everything out, yeah to the

track, so I'm hitting it so that
no one can ever tell Yeah, and I

just tape it to my bass drum.
You could do the same thing,

because you know how to read
music. I love you for it. Man.

That's amazing. I made a
difference for you, right? I

mean, oh yeah. What did you do?
You've been here eight, nine

years before you got Parker's
gig for the first six years, or

whatever. I know you were
supplementing with Uber, but did

you do anybody else's gig? Were
you playing around town? Yeah.

So any funny stories the Uber
thing

was only when I first moved to
town, because I, I was just, you

know, I didn't realize how
nervous it was about trying to

meet people. Because I was like,
well, these people could be my

friends, but they're also people
I might gig with. And so that

means my friends are people I'm
making money with. And so

there's and, you know, I was, I
was really bad about going out

the first couple of months, but
then I finally met and they

become lifelong friends. A bunch
of them, a girl named Rachel

hoarder, guitar player named
Seth Cook, another guitar player

named Riley Bria. Seth Cook,
yeah, great guitar player, man,

he's filled in with a bunch of
people. Incredible him and

Riley. Riley Bria is absolutely
like, incredible guitar players.

They were my roommates at one
point, but I met them, and then

the singer, Rachel hoarder,
incredible singer, and she was

really great at getting stuff
downtown on Broadway. And

finally, like a spot open to
play drums, the other drummer

couldn't make it, so I started
playing with. Them. And we do

every Tuesday at old red, nice.
It was great, man. We played

from like eight to one or like
midnight, and that was just we.

That wasn't the priority for us,
but we're like, man, we need to

pay our bills. I'd rather do it
playing music, yeah, and playing

with, you know, great people.
Who else so you

could pay your bills, playing
four times a month at old red. I

lived

very cheap, you know, I, you
know, tell

very, very, you know,

do you regret not getting out
there sooner? Like, how long did

it take you to start getting out
a couple months? You said, Yeah,

I

was just, I was just initially
worried about the initial shock

of, like, oh my gosh, I have no
money. Like, I don't even have

the right size drums for any
gigs, you know, or the right

symbols. I had stuff from music
school

and but you're, you're an
extrovert. I think I

totally am. I think just moving
here, just the, you know, the

financial pressure at the time,
and just just figuring out life

too at the time, but it was just
because it's

more expensive than it was 28
years ago, 100% and you could

live. I've

been I was really good at
finding cheap rent, you know,

and I could get people, you
know, that was pretty easy to

get along with, you know, and
finding, like, a decent space

with other musicians sometimes.
And like, my first place I paid

rent and was like, 200 bucks,
yeah, one month, yeah. And it

was a full house. It was like
two other people. I can find

cheap rent at the time. Great
life

skill, life hack, yeah, because
I got, I got all my students

that I teach, like, yeah,
they're in their meeting. Don't

need

to pay $1,800 a month for an
apartment. And they're like,

Where should I look?

I'm like, Well, you know, most
people like to go south, you

know, Brentwood Franklin, you
know, or you can go up to

Hendersonville, or, you know,
you could be right in the heart

of it all. You could be in East
Nashville. But some places

aren't safe. So, you know, I

never, I never really thought
about safety, yeah, or anything

either. I lived in one part of
town that was like frequent the

house behind was abandoned.
There were meth heads living

there, and they burn their shit
there so you could smell that.

Did

they like to hear, listen to you
practice? Yeah. Well, the

only reason I moved there is
because the dude that owned the

house, his parents owned it or
something, and he lived there,

but had a studio in the garage,
but it was during COVID. And I'm

like, well, well shit, I can,
like, record here. So, you know,

that was, like, my real
motivation. The room was

terrible. Everything about it
was terrible, yeah? But I was

like, Man, this is great. But
then there's gunshots constantly

at this gas station on the
corner, and there are always

cops there. But I just ignored

it. The guy that owns the gas
station trying to find good help

to work that place.

Dude, it's and the other guy
that was his angle, the other

guy, he would hear the gunshots
and be like, I'm gonna go check

it out, make sure people are
safe. I'm like, What the hell,

man, I'm gonna go into the
frame. I'm like, what kind of

hero? And at the time, I'm like,
man, like, you must have good

health insurance or something.
Like, what are you doing?

So 200 bucks for a house is this
word of mouth?

Man, I just Yeah. I would just
find places like on I'd look on

marketplace, and if I found a
house that looked cool, they

always wanted, like, yeah, come
over and let's let us meet you

first. And I think most of the
places I found that people

thought I was like, Hey, he's a
really nice guy. He's not, you

know, this is fine, you know?
And, yeah, I could just, I don't

know, honestly, half the time, I
don't know how, looking back and

just hear about a place, you're
like, Oh, really. Like, yeah,

man, I'm looking for a spot. How
much is it? Man, it's like,

really cheap. This much, I'd be
like, Oh, it. But I've lived in

a couple places where it was
like, man, like, during COVID, I

lived in a house that, like, I
got sold. You know, I had to

move a couple times during
COVID. It was a mess. But I

lived at one house, and it was a
little weird, the dude who owned

it and stuff like, but I was
just again. I was just like,

locker bedroom. I was all just
focused on just gigging and

playing and just hustling and
then, and then trying to, like,

just pay the bills.

Was your mindset coming to town?
How many? How many years were

you going to give it?

I wasn't thinking about that. I
remember. I remember at one

point, though, a couple years
in, having a real conversation

with myself and going like, man,
if let's just say on the side

that things don't work out,
you're only going to get older.

You need to, at some point,
decide when you need to not take

your goals away, but supplement
some things to take care of

yourself. I remember thinking
about that a couple years like,

like, five years ago, yeah, and
not even because I was an issue.

I was still young, and I'm like,
I can take it. I don't have to

make a lot

of money right now. You still
are young. Oh man,

thank you. Thank you. Don't ever
think you're wrong. Thank you.

30. I love 30. I'm very excited
for the 30s. But yeah, 30s are

good.

Yeah, when you hit 30, it kind
of feels like, Oh my god. It

feels like how it feels my
parents 20s probably felt in

terms of economy and just
everything, yeah, feel like it's

the new 20s. What was

your big like, first big break,
Big Shot gig that you felt like,

okay, there's something going on
here. It

was, did somebody have a shot
before Parker? No.

Parker was. It's honestly that
that was the, the biggest

opportunity. I. Forgot for me,
it was like I said, playing on

Broadway every Tuesday. But then
I was also, and when I wasn't

doing that, I was playing with
other people on the road. It was

a lot of, like, mid level act
stuff, you know, nothing crazy.

A lot of vans, just like the
typical kind of thing, or a lot

of pickup trucks too. A lot of
these love to tour and pickup

trucks, just

like, there's only you could
only fit maybe four people.

Yeah, married the big some

of them had the big cat, but
yeah, it was. It'd be a small

band, or be also running tracks.
They'd pull a trailer. And any

of these dudes I played for,
they always would drive the

whole time. And they, sometimes
these dudes would drive like, 30

hours straight. What? Yeah, it
was wild man. Some of these

country boys can

drive just forever. I wouldn't
let anybody else drive, no.

And honestly, if anyone ever
asked me to drive and I didn't

really know the guys, I would
take the latest one at night,

and then I would just jerk the
wheel really hard a couple times

and scare them, and they didn't
really know me, some of these

guys I'd play with, and that way
you could just go, and they'd be

like, Yo, dude, you're terrible
at driving, like, because I

didn't want to drive. You know,
if it was with homies, I would,

I was happy to, but if it was
just like, hey, there's just a

gig, I just, you know, this is
last place hard

to ever drove, hard to get any
sleep. Or even just, like, even

just close your eyes, like
sleeping on a plane, if you

don't know who's driving and if
they're going to stay awake,

you know, I guess that the same
kind of thing on a bus, though,

too, yeah? But these guys,

now, the drivers, those guys, I
trust my life with our driver.

Yeah, I never worry about that
guy. You never hear the rare Oh,

yeah. Honestly,

I gotta, I gotta our we have a
great driver. I never really

hear rumble strips. No, I never
he's fantastic. If you do,

you open the door. You going,
Hey, man, what's up?

If they're really riding them?
Yeah, see the coke. He needs

something good. Yeah.

Do the busses have, like, lane
assist? Lane Keep Assist. I

don't know that stuff now,

no, but I talked about it with
our driver. I was like, I'm

shocked. They haven't integrated
that into busses, adaptive

cruise control, all that stuff,
just to kind of jump in for an

emergency. But newer model
prevos,

they probably do. You ever do
the shotgun, you know, and watch

the America? Oh,

yeah, I ride up there all the
time with our just hang out with

our drivers. Rarely I

do that and but in recent years,
it's like, man, hey, there's,

there's this whole other world
up

here. Massive window, amazing.
Yeah, that'd be great. I love

doing that more

often. I could see myself
driving a tour bus, like, if I,

you know, life was different. I
just wanted to kind of have

purpose and wake up. Did all the
things I want to do. I'm just

gonna drive a tour bus.

Yeah? But you got, you got a
piss clean though, man, that's

not fun. That's fun, if you're
good with that, then, yeah,

that's the best job ever. Can't
have your gummies. No gummies.

Yeah? No gummies, nothing. You
can't really, yeah, no, no, it's

pretty

good money too. If you have
like, three days off, I think

you

can, you there's like, one of
those days you can drink as long

as there's, like, two days after
some rule or something.

Oh, it's the drinking too. Geez,
that's crazy.

I again, I don't, I don't know.

And, no, they, they,

you know, show yourself up. You
can if you get you can if you

get caught, yeah. Now we've
always had

great drivers. In our early days
of touring, we had this amazing,

God rest his soul. Tour manager,
The Wiz, and he was, I remember

him. He did tons of time with
the Doobie Brothers and Travis

tritt, and he was curmudgeon,
Frampton. He's a total

curmudgeon, but that was his
seat, up up in shotgun. No one

else. No, that was his spot. So
that ate up years of my touring

career. So,

so if you sat in that seat, what
do you get? Like, you're

like, Richie, go back to your
damn bunk. What?

Yeah, so that actually happened
here. You guys are, you know,

you're pretty much the reason
why he's getting paid. People

are coming to see you guys, so
he pulled that card on you, like

he postured to you guys, and
said, Get out of my seat. I've

been doing this longer than me.

Well, he was an older gentleman,
yeah? And it's just out of

respect for your elders, you
know,

yeah. But for you, what do you
have, like, a Nobel Peace Prize

or something? Did he like cure
disease? Or

you have to meet the guy who,
like, you know, he was,

he was, I met him. I met him on
occasion. And it was like, All

right, I get you, yeah, I see
what you're doing. Just make it

work. You've been doing. You're
just salt of the earth.

He's like, I don't want to do
this anymore, but I'm doing it.

This is all I know how to do.
Yeah? What? Yeah? Is that kind

of a thing, you know? Oh, my
God, he had done decades and

decades. He had lived through
the golden age of rock and roll.

And you know, he was worn out.
He was in and he was still

going, still gone. I should be
retired on a beach in Florida by

now, but I'm still on this
frigging bus smelling your

smokey pants. Got to invest but

I'm glad I met him one night at
the red door, because that was

the last time I saw him alive.
When was that? This was, God, at

least a decade ago. I

thought you meant this was,
like, recent, like you said, I

was like, good, no, you gotta
remember,

I've been with these guys in
this band, you know, since for

26 years. That's right, yeah,
you've been, you know, that

crazy man. That's nuts, I

know. So you get a deal with
Kravid. I. Shadow. That's cool.

We brought that up earlier. Chad
Cromwell,

he's the ANR guy. He was

in LA actually, so I didn't get
to see him, but, um, but you

will, I saw Sarah, uh, Harry
hung out with him. Chris

McCarthy, yeah, dude, he's, he's
been very good to me, man, since

I've met him, I'm

gonna need a kit for my, you
know, bedroom. I'm gonna need a

kit. Not me. I'm just saying, is
that your

position? I was like, hey, the
deal isn't that good. I mean,

do you kind of, can you go in
and be like, Hey, can you get me

one for this? This, this, you
know, whatever

you want. I went to the factory
today and to get my first kit my

nolensville, yeah. So I went
there and they just showed me

the whole process and
everything. And are they

building them out there too?
Yeah, yeah. Awesome warehouse,

man. It's it. It felt so cool to
watch them do this dude. It

just, everything is done by
hand. And watching the two guys

they have bending the shells,
yeah, the whole it's, it's

awesome. It's, I'm so excited to
get a kit made.

But, um, making you a custom
kit? Yeah, I can take the

lugs and everything, and colors,
bearing edge everything. And I

talked with a Chad yesterday on
the phone, and we kind of went

over that, going with a maple
kit, you know, going with what I

know, for the first one,

they measure the bearing edge
and the flatness of it on like

it was a piece of granite or
something like that.

They don't know. I don't know. I
know they cut their bearing

edges and stand them all by
hand. Though, amazing, really?

Yeah, and they're like, perfect,
though. Those they have a they

have the standard 45 they have a
38 I think they have, I don't

know if this is, this is theirs
specifically, but it's a hybrid

edge, like a 45 hybrid. So it's
a little rounder. Yeah, really

excited to try that out,

I guess would mute the head a
little bit more from

again, I was learning a lot too,
because I've never had the

opportunity to place so many
different varieties, or be

exposed to the opportunity to
try different varieties of these

kids and just different bearing
edges. I think the smoother,

like 45 I think it as gives it a
warmth, if I'm correct, yeah,

would you say that? I don't
know. You don't know.

I mean your guy with bearing,

if you have an angular

45 degree edge, but 45 is a
sharp, the sharp, so 45 hybrid

is a little more round, so I
assume it warms it up a little

bit. Yeah, attack, yeah, attack,
and probably overtones and ring.

Man,

any drummers watching this are
gonna have no respect

for me. These guys do not
deserve their drums.

You think about it, it kind of
makes sense when you think about

that surface area and touching
of the head, if you put a little

finger

on it, if you got a larger area
that's rounded, touching the

head, yeah, that's gonna have a
different tone than it's just a

short

surface area touching the head
or coming off the show. I still

can't remember. I talked about
how much I love Remo. I still

can't remember the name for the
two ply and the name for the

single ply. Every time I go to a
drum shop, it said emperor and

Ambassador. Is the Emperor the
two ply, or is the ambassador? I

can't remember. That's my whole
freaking life. I can never

remember.

So no ambassadors, as amazing as
they sound, and it's nice to

have, especially on a jazz kit
or on a jazz kid, like the

fibers can

apply correct do not remember.

Think of Ambassador. A comes
before E, so a should have 1e.

Has two. Yeah, that's why,
that's why I think I got that's

how I remember

it. What do you say about the
letter A? And

think about emperors. Emperors
are fat,

double ply, that emperor. What
about ambassadors?

They're like in the early part
of their careers, like, Hi, I'm

ambassador. You know, they're
just, I can remember

fat emperor? Remember that?
Yeah, fat

emperor, double ply, I'm looking
up a friend of mine's, um,

Facebook, page, yeah, because he
likes to make fun of the

terminology that drummers use,
especially because he's a

singer. Yeah, Rob Jackson, he he
used to work at a music store

back in Danbury, Connecticut,
and he's been in amazing bands

all through his life. He sounds
exactly like Getty Lee. He's in

a rush tribute band, but he
basically, kind of, he says, you

know these drummers, you know,
when you talk about dry and wet

symbols, what the hell are you
guys talking about? You know,

what are you talking about,
bearing edges? Why is that so

important? So he's somewhat kind
of throwing shade at drummers,

but I think he's genuinely Yeah,
well,

let's see him sitting on his gig
without a great drummer.

Anyways, well,

you know his drummer, Lou
Calderon, that's right, yeah.

What's up? Blue Cal de

Rolo, yeah, we became something
happened with his Facebook page?

You got hacked or something. And
he's really, he's trying to,

we're trying to become friends
again. You're probably too young

for

Facebook. No, I grew up on, I
had MySpace as a kid.

Oh, he did every year, a real
kid, but I was in my 20s. When I

did it, yeah, I was born in a 95
Wow. You could be my son.

Do you have that crazy? No, no,
I always pull out.

Hey, listen, I like you man. But
you know, yeah, we can just be

friends, be adopted. I'm 30. I
forget. Wow,

yeah, Jim. When. I didn't say
anything, huh? You're done

talking about pulling out. Oh,

geez. Well, you know, we gotta,
I

mean, I can move in and live
here's a great place, man, dude,

this is huge. I love it out
here.

A lot of people will, you know,
I won't tell them the story, and

they're like, geez, this is like
a it's like a plantation or

something.

It looks like a person who owns
their land. It's like in their

home the American flag. This is,
I want to I loved, I lived in

whites creek for a little bit on
seven acres, and I loved it.

Man, so you're in Donaldson or
hermanage, I'm in Donaldson.

Okay, Donaldson, but, um, no
having, having a couple acres on

a property in a long driveway
like that, just away from the

road. Man, is perfect. I

love just speeding up that
driveway. It's so fun. You ever

see me, Jim,

I might have, you know, the
first

thing I thought I'm like, Oh, he
likes kayaks. Oh

yeah, I forgot to take that off.
What's that all about? I love

kayaking. I just I went
yesterday, and I forgot to take

it down, and I was in a hurry
today.

So we're driving all the towns.
Any like I go

to Percy priest, but you can go
an hour out of town. There's a

couple good places to put in,
couple good rivers. I haven't

done any of those out there yet
right now, just go to Percy

price. I just dump in there and

just saddle around. I mean, it's
a little scary. I mean, did you

ever see deliverance? I don't
think so. What happens in that

so many things. I mean, I'm not

jumping out of the out of the
kayak, but, you know, a lot of

banjo miles

McPherson does some kayaking. I
believe, you know the decision,

yeah,

does he

really, yeah, yeah. That's his
thing,

dude, a real talk. I have a
couple buddies been trying to, I

want to get a kayaking group
together, like a kayaking

drummers group, or music
musicians kind of thing, because

I have so many buddies like,
dude, let's go. And we all keep

missing each other. And there's
like, six people, we all been

trying, we keep missing each
other, trying to go kayaking. So

some practice pads on the front
of it, yeah,

park your car, and then you
launch into the thing, and then

you got to remember where the
heck you to come back to, yeah?

But I'm not, like, going, like,
20 miles away. You know, he's

not going 20 miles off shore.
I'll go around some of the

islands, or I'll, I'll go up to
one of the islands, like, have

lunch, you know, just chilling.
Wow. It's just nice, man. Pack

a little, pack a little PBJ. We

did the inflatable days,
inflatable kayaks. We did that

for a while. Those are great,

yes, yeah, I couldn't do them
personally. I like, I like my

pongo. It's a mango colored
pongo. It's

convenience, because you they're
easily transportable. But then

when you get there, you got to
blow them up, and then when he

you got to deflate them. That's
the biggest issue.

Yeah, it feels like you just, it
looks like you just can't

commit,

you know, right? You're putting
your toe in the water. I've

seen dudes on the road, though,
on tour, they they'll take one,

and that's where I wish I did
have an inflatable one, because

we've been in some really great
places in like Oregon. I'm like,

dang, I would love to go
kayaking volunteer.

Oh, my God, for four months a
year. I was just out in Seattle,

and we got some sun, yeah, that
was nice. And they're like,

yeah, it's three and a half
months a year, gorgeous. And

then the rest of the year is
like, it's like, the movie, the

ring. Yeah, you know, we're just
rains, and there's the girl

coming out. It's England. It's
Birmingham, England. Yeah, it

is, yeah, it's not my thing. I
know you would, yeah, I would, I

would, I would not thrive

there. You would not. There's a
certain kind of person that

that's for Alaska is the same
way,

yeah. But also, what Alaska has
is 30 days of night, and that's

when the vampires come out and
they feast on every I

would love 30 days a night. That
sounds kind of fun. I'd

say it messes with people's
heads.

I mean, I've gone on a night in
college. I remember going to,

like, a night shift at one
point, on accident, yeah, like

before I moved to Nashville,
like, I dropped out of college,

and I just started, if I'm not
careful, when I have time off,

I'll stay up late. And next
thing you know, like, watch the

sun come up, then you sleep. And
yeah, next thing you know, on

your total night schedule, yeah.
And it's the weirdest thing. And

then flipping back is even
harder.

Flipping back is hard because,
yeah, My gal is touring, you

know, total vampire schedule. So
what do you do on the road for

Do you have any rituals? Do you
have, like, a like, like, a

fitness thing you like to get
into? You smell the roses, you

go to the local coffee shops,
record shops,

no man, just hang out with the
band for the show? Yeah, we just

go to the green room. And, no,
we're not crazy. We're all just

hanging out, talking or just
making each other laugh, just

cracking jokes. But you

don't like to get off, get off,
get get some sun, or see the

city, or look where you're at.
Um,

if we're in a spot, I'm like,
genuinely, like, wanting to go,

yeah, explore around. I'll do
that. But sometimes, like, at

least this during the winter
tour, I was just, like, either

in the bus, it was so cold I was
in the bus, or, like, on stage.

Oh, yeah. But, um, yeah, if
we're in like, a cool part of

town. Like, we'll be in Florida
next weekend, and so, like,

definitely gonna go to the
beach. Try not to get sunburth,

though, because I'm gonna We're
in Florida ever. Yeah, we're

playing Tortuga, wherever that's

the festival. Well, that'll be
great, because you'll be parked

right next to the stage, and
that's on the beach. Really good

live. Nation. Festival, and you
will be on the beach, and let's

go. Brian O'Connell does an
amazing job with that. The food

will be top notch. You'll
probably have a masseuse,

there'll be a video game lounge,
there'll be someone to cut your

hair if you want to get a
haircut. It's one of those ones.

Really nice. The good festivals.
Really good festival. Stagecoach

was pretty good. It was like
that amenities. Everything.

That's where Coachella is, man,
oh yeah, that's right,

Lauderdale,

yeah, Tortuga, but we're flying
it. I'm flying into Miami,

though, for no reason, really,
yeah, I don't know why. That's

what it says. She loves Miami. I
think I need to call my tour

manager and be like, hey, is
this right? I

think you're only 20 miles away.
Oh, for real. Okay, then I'm not

worried. Yeah, man, we flew into
Fort Lauderdale,

yeah, you and I, that's right.
And Courtney,

when we interviewed Grant
Cardone.

Grant Cardone, yeah,

the early version of this
podcast was called Rich's brain.

There's like, 20 episodes, and
we flew to go interview Grant

Cardone. That was great. How was
that?

Was that, like, it's fine? Oh,
pretty cool. Very eye opening.

Got a glimpse of his and

is he like the business guy?
Yeah, the big I see him on the

on the Instagrams, yeah, real
estate a lot, yeah. He's

been calling out a lot of people
recently

that when I watch his videos,
Gary

Brecker has been the guy lately.
They're in a fight. Both of them

just like business guy, beef
pretty much. Yeah, anyway you

want to take take on the bull,
you get the horns, that kind of

thing. Now,

these guys, businessmen, oh
yeah, as well. Are they gone all

into the social gardones
Probably

a bonafide billionaire by now?
Yeah.

Our other other business friend
is Brad Lee

Bradley, who is Robin Baum. He's
a he's not

a billionaire yet. Is he? Um,

probably even that phrase is
crazy. He's not billionaire yet.

Is he? But his goal? Yeah, oh,
he's like, that's his active

like, he wants to get there.
Hey, good for him, man.

Millionaire in America, he's
pretty incredible. If you want

to be a billionaire, definitely
going to become

a millionaire. Yeah? I mean,
that is, that's someone who

That's nuts. He's not sitting
around watching Netflix. No, no.

He's getting stuff done. He's
not he's probably not

playing the people for a little
great. You binge in anything.

You gotta check anything out. I
don't binge

but I'll watch shows while I get
work done. Like, I'll binge work

watch, yeah, like, like,
friends, scrubs, Rick and Morty,

Bob's Burgers, Rick and Morty.
Is that a cartoon? Yeah, it's

cartoons. You ever heard

of Rick and Morty? Everybody
heard of primal? Yeah, you bring

it up all the time. Primal is
great. Or

the Lord of the Rings movies.
I'll actually, I'll re watch

those all the time, all the
time, and I only read the books.

I just love the movies. I

kind of almost like the Hobbit
films more than the Lord of the

Rings. You

can't say that. No, I'm not. I'm
not, like, a Lord of the Rings

Die Hard, yeah? But I know for a
fact you can't. But I like, I

like how it like, Peter Jackson
was like, we've got these

people, so we've got the
shortest book of all of them,

yeah? And we're gonna stretch it
out three the longest three

movies, yeah. I mean, that was
like, wow, that was

pretty cool. But I'm pretty sure
if there's like, a die hard Lord

of the Rings fan in here and
heard you say that, they'd like,

yeah. Like, well, no,

you're wrong, because I'm kind
of Die Hard, but I'm not like a,

like, a slap, but you're on your
wrist if you get me. Neither.

The Return of the King was the
last one right where there was,

like, the, just the, yeah,
return, yeah. But the first one

was great. When the Kraken comes
out, when they're trying to, it

was like a giant octopus they're
trying to get the cave right.

When they're trying to get in
the cave, that's big. And then

when that, I forget the name of
his character, but the Hobbit,

he's like, backing up against
thing, and then the helmet falls

into the well and wakes up all
of

the orcs. That whole fight
scene, Frodo gets stabbed, and

the cave troll comes in. Still
looks amazing. Yeah? And the

CGI, I'm gonna that's 1999
that's not like an old man, but

the CGI back then still holds
up. Yeah. I'm not a cinema guy,

you know, like, not very
knowledgeable with that stuff,

either, but I'll watch those old
movies. I don't know if it's

just because it's familiar with
my eyes and feels good when I

watch it, or if it's genuinely
like, no, the CGI back then was

because

when Fellowship of the Ring came
out, I was your age, it was, I

was 29 it was came out, really
1999 Yeah, so they so, yeah, it

holds up. Great, yeah. I mean,
it really does, absolutely, man,

have you guys, have you guys
seen where they take scenes from

movies they did the I came
across this this morning. I'm

trying to search for it, but
they took the scene. I don't

know what movie it's from, but
they're all coming to, I guess,

frodos bedroom, and he's awake,
and they thought maybe he was

sick at the very end, right,
right? And like all the cast is

coming in the room, and they're
all different heights, they're

all different heights, and
they're all happy that he's

awake and everything. But they
replace the music with, you

know, you get sexy. You make
music, yes, and it's like, they

make it, they give it a
completely different music.

Yeah. Kids differently. And it's
like, you know, Ian McKellen

characters looking at them all,
like, hey, and you know, all the

other and all these guys are
coming in, just jumping on the

bed, just like jumping on the
bed. And the music, it's like,

oh my

gosh, this is not right. Oh my
god, that I could picture how

funny that would be. You

ever see the Star Wars, the end
of Star Wars, without the music,

where they're just kind of

walking and breathing and far
down the

footsteps and all that stuff.
You hear people in the

background

going now Star Wars is really
old to someone your age, because

Star Wars loved it. Star Wars
came out in 76 Yeah, 77

actually, 77 Yeah, and and
alien. My other favorite movie

was 78

Yeah, I love the newer alien.
I'll admit that.

Hey, okay, hold

on alien. Romulus was a very
good. Hold on the latest.

Prometheus

was fantastic. Yeah, Prometheus
was good. So freaking good jaws.

I never watched 75/50

anniversary this year, 7519

they're re releasing it into the
theaters. That's great. We

should go see it. Let's do it.
Yeah. That is such

like a perfectly made movie,

and it just looks old to me. And
you know,

once you know, once you get you
got to watch it. I've been

watching it since, you know, I
was probably seven years old.

And as you get older, it kind of
grows with you, and you

appreciate it deeper. Yeah. And
then you watch that, USS

Indianapolis speech scene. Oh,
man, what does the actors

basically use that as a

it's definitely a monolog you
can use off for auditions. They

got he really got drunk. He
really got drunk, and he really

went there,

yep, yeah, what's this? Did he
say something? Just

really, you gotta watch it. Are
there, like,

six Jaws movies? There's four.

There's really only one. It
really is.

Well, one and a half, yeah,
JAWS, two, the other five. Those

Jaws, two. I think they filmed,
I think they filmed it with, I

don't know if they filmed it
separately, well, maybe at the

same

shark worked better. The shark
worked better. So you got to see

more of the animatronics, yeah,
whatever. But which made the

first one so terrifying is the
fact that the shark didn't work

well, so they had to rely on
suspense and shots and angles

and the music. I could see

why that is cool, yeah. So they
scared people enough they didn't

want to go in the water. They
had to make it scary without

relying on the animatronics.
Very, very

Yeah. And it's funny because
Courtney and I, when we dated,

we went to Martha's Vineyard and
we swam in that channel, dude,

if I don't know, if I can't see
a couple feet down, I'm not

going in there, really, because,
like lakes, like Lake, you're a

kayaker, that thing can fall
over, right? Yeah. And most lake

water is dirty and murky, and
depending

on the lake, yeah, you're at

it's yeah, you go into a lake.
And it's also really happy.

Snapping turtle could come out
of nowhere and grab onto your

foot, take a chunk out of you. I
mean, dude, I

just trying to think about that,
because I don't get out of the

kayak, though, because I'm like,
you can't. I'm not. I can't get

back in that thing. Yeah, in the
middle of the leg, I'll tip it's

so small, it's gonna fall over.
Like, yeah,

I think that would be weird with

my claustrophobia. I'm gonna
pause real quick, yeah, because

apparently we're

having so I was 25 and he was a

true prodigy, man, like a true
you know, he was 11. I was like,

Hey,

kid, what's your name, Tony? I
was like, how are you gonna

start your solo over you at the
time I was 25 No, he was 11. And

he goes, I said, How are you
gonna start your solo? And he

goes the helicopter. And I was
like, Oh, that's cute. And then

he goes out there, and he's,
like,

so you didn't know about this
kid yet? No, no, wait, so you

got to see him. So

I work out Texas, which is hard
to do, because there's a lot of

good lord. And then, and then
Tony, and it was me, and this

there was one really mature guy
got he was like, 35 you know.

And he played, like, really
mature, like, really cool jazz

chops and stuff, old school.
Yeah. What do you think, buddy?

Yep, slight.

No way though, you got to see
Tony. Oh, yeah. Like, Brett,

that's that, I What was your
reaction when you saw it? I

mean,

I got this, I got to, yeah, I
got to compete against the young

Tony Royster. And he was just
exceptional. Of course, he won.

And then, you know, years later,
we all got to, we all got to

hang at, you know, drum channel.
And Oxnard, it was like, Cool,

me, Keltner, Thomas Lang, Tony
and Don Lombardi, you know the,

basically the owner, proprietor
of dW Jones. That's incredible,

pretty amazing. And then
Keltner, Keltner and I got to

share a slice of cheesecake.
That was, that's my claim to

fame. You seem like a nice guy.
Very nice guy. Yeah, man, hey.

So we were talking, we took a
pee pee break that you are doing

tons of writing and mixing and
producing. What is that all

about? Tell us. Tell us a little
about

that. Um, the mixing thing. I
can't say tons a lot of that's,

it's a new passion. Yeah, I'm
just getting started with that.

And I just really enjoyed it. I
was, I just started producing.

Writing the past like year or
two, and writing, and I've, I

just started with friends, like
really close friends, who I

could, you know, trust to grow
and in front of. And recently

just produced a kid, some, some
kid in Texas, named J rod. Yeah,

I thought it was Jared at first.
He corrected me, so no, J rod. I

said, okay, cool. And I produced
two songs for him, and there was

no budget, you know, he's like,
Hey, I'm a broke college kid. I

said, Well, man, you're in luck.
I'm just looking for anyone

who's willing to, you know,
trust me with their music, and

let me do this. Yeah, so I
mixed, like, or I recorded the

drums in the bass, pretty much
everything else, and then I had

my buddy track guitars and get
acoustic for it. And I was like,

man, there's no budget. I'm just
gonna mix these. Yeah, watched a

couple videos, and just used my
ear too. You're just kind of

trusting your ear a little bit,
yeah, sent it to a few other

buddies who mix, and said, Hey,
what do you think of this? And

they said, Hey, man, this
actually sounds pretty good,

dude. You're on the path. So I
was like, Cool. And it wasn't

the hardest track in the world.
You know, it's pretty bare

bones, like country stuff, but
so started doing that and

writing with him still. And then
I have two songs I wrote that's

going to be with some two
buddies is going to be on his

album coming out, nice and cuts,
baby steps, man. It's like, the

micro wins, you know, it's, it's
like, hey, like my friend's

records coming out. And two
songs i co wrote and I made the

tracks for those songs. Do you

have a cool, kind of, like,
quirky tongue in cheek name for

your publishing company? No,

I'm just getting that stuff
started to making sure, like the

points thing, and trying to, you
know, have the nets ready, you

know, long term, but I'm still,
like, very humble, but I'm still

very eager just to, I just love
it, and I love coming home and

working on that equally as much
as I love going on the road

live. I think someone

told you to play a little bass
too. Yeah,

yeah. I bought a bass probably,
like, six years ago. Again, I'm

not amazing at it, but I was
just like, Man, why can't I play

bass? I play with bass players
all the time. Why can I not so I

would start to learn songs on
bass and end up learning songs

quicker, to learning the forms
quicker, and just relating so

much more to, just to feel like,
oh man. Like, when a drummer

does that, that sucks for a bass
player, you know, things like

that. Like, you know, just
learning that kind of stuff.

Like, what is a bass player?
Growth center like, yeah. And it

makes you think about kick note
length, even then too, you know,

even though, like, you could
have a kick that's muffled or

whatever, but you can still
think about it like and play it

in a long way.

Do you bury the beater? Um, pull
it off for the

for the most part? Yeah, you
know, some of the lighter songs,

I try not to, but, you know, if
I'm really feeling it and just

loving it, you know. And we're
playing some high energy song.

I'm, yeah, I'm varying. Same

with me. My modus operandi is to
bury it, and then if I want to

get, like, a lighter tone, or,
God forbid, if we're playing a

little bit of jazz, yeah,

pull it off. Recording wise. I,
I try to not bury it all. Oh

yeah, I've tried to play pretty
different recording wise. Oh,

interesting. Just so, just
because of the results I'm

trying to get so lighter
cymbals, pull the beater off,

yeah? And there's still stuff
where I'm like, hitting, like I

do live, but I would say, like,
my my highest volume or velocity

in studio is probably 30% less
than what it is live. You know,

that makes sense, yeah? And I
just like, you can still get a

huge drum sound, yeah, and still
hit great, and let some of the

gear do the work too, and still
sound freaking huge. And, you

know? And I also just, I was
really turned off growing up by

drummers who hit so hard they
choked the drum instead, yeah.

I'm like, Man, that's just like
a waste of energy to like. And

some of these guys, I was like,
Man, I can hit as hard as you,

but I'm like, it's all on the
wrist and just letting the stick

work, yeah, a lot of times I
like,

sometimes when I'm in situations
where I don't have to be, like,

because, I mean, I've been
painted in a box where it's

like, oh my god, yeah, he's that
animal. People

think you just do the one, yeah,
that's, but that's, how do you

how do you combat that? It's
better to

be known for something than
nothing at all.

But true. But for you, like, I
mean, you, you obviously can do

a lot. So how do you handle I
just make sure that as this

world, too, you have to present
yourself, to sell yourself. And

how do you I just

make sure that I'm in as in
different circles as much as

possible. So if somebody calls
me to do a American record, I go

and do it. If somebody says to
come present to the percussive

Art Society, and I could show
all all the percussionists in

the world that I have a good
touch, yeah, I'll go and do

those things, you know. So
whatever you can do to provide

exposure and to let people know,
you know, one year, I had to hit

him with the airman of note at
the progressive Art Society, and

like, Peter Erskine came up to
me afterwards and said, that's

been that was surprising,
because he just never said, Were

you kind of, like, bummed out
when he said that? You were

like, Dude, come on. Or were you
just like? I was like, thank

you. I was

like, Absolutely, thank you.
Yeah, you know, but that's the

public that's the public
perception. Is

it kind of like, like an actor
getting typecasted? Or what's

the term, where they get
associated with totally that

role? And

I studied acting for five years,
and I was fully prepared to be

typecasted. Actually, that was
my goal, yeah. And, and when I

did it, I always. He's played a
cop or a detective or a school

teacher or a douchey husband.
Yeah, you know, like, like, one

of these type

I want a list of the movies
you've done, by the way,

anything, it's a very short
list. That's okay. I want to, I

think it'd be so fun to be like,
Oh my gosh, that's rich. You see

me with

this microphone right now, like,
I was so proud. I was in this

movie called all light will end,
and I played, like, a Casey,

Casey type, over caffeinated DJ.
And it was like, so close to my

actual emailed it, right? You
nailed it. And I watched it, and

I my parents got to see it all.
My relatives got to see it. And

then the credits start to roll,
and it says, you know, the name

of my character, rich Redmond.
And I felt so proud, because

there was not a set of drums
blocking me from my humanity and

my essence as a human being. And
my parents were like, ah, that's

all right, Reggie, but when are
you going back on tour? Because

even my parents are like, you're
a drummer. What are you doing?

Yeah, what I mean, like a person
can't be dynamic, but Jim was

always very supportive, of
course, yeah, yeah, it's what I

do, yeah, real friends. Jim's
the guy that'll pull over at 3am

and went on my cars in a ditch
and pick me up, dude, that

and you only, you only ever get
it, like sometimes you only

really get one, maybe a few of
those kind of friends, man.

Those are those the real deal.
Totally, I

put his windshield wipers on for
crown.

That's right, I said I'm gonna
buy these at Pet boys. And then

Jim is this, like your whole
day, by the

way, no, when this happened, was
it during the internet and he

did it

so quickly, he didn't even have
to read the manual or anything.

You could look it up how to put
them on. I am not handy. This is

that's not handy. That's just
like, but, I mean, pet voice is

right there grinding coffee.
It's got two miles away.

I think it's willful ignorance.
I think it's a dependency at

this point. I think he's just,
he knows you'll be there. He's

like, Yeah, he'll just do it
totally

just, like, what we're talking
about, you know, learning Cubase

and all the different things,
yeah, like, I just can't get it.

There's probably a smidge that
you do get it. Oh, yeah.

Hey. So we're gonna, we're gonna
get into the Hey. What is the

best way for people to get in
touch if they want to connect

with your energy and your
enthusiasm and they want to

collab with you as the kids?

Man, honestly, just messaged me
on Instagram, the Grand i know

if that's like the hip one to
say,

n, n, is that your middle
initial?

No, that was just so real talk.
It just happened I dated a girl

in high school, yeah. And she's
like, it'd be really cool if you

spelled your name with two ends.
And for some reason, I made that

my email. Oh, my God. And then
people just started going, Oh,

John with two ends, right? And I
was like, Well, it's a thing,

you know, this was years ago,
two

ends, boss week. So that's

just my actual name is Jonathan.
Jonathan, yeah. Jonathan, Mark

Bostwick, yeah. The John that
people like, is that really

spelled? I'm like, Yeah. And
they I, some of them probably

thought that was, like, legit.
Oh, that's your name, John with

two hands, but people remembered
me and could find me easier. And

I would get calls, strangely
enough, you're like, Yeah, John,

with two ends. How you doing?
I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna roll

with this. That's

why I texted you. How do you
spell your name? Because I saw

John J O N, I saw the Instagram
J O n, n, and then I saw some

sites. Have you as J O, H, N,
it's confusing,

dude, I'm kind of, honestly,
it's my fault. I've made a mess

for myself because I'll forget
to and people like Zildjian and

be like, Hey, we're working on
your bio. What's your How do you

do your name? I'll be like, Oh
yeah, John, J, O, H, N. I'm

like, not remember. Like, wait,
no, I don't do it that way. So

my name is pretty much, like,
misspelled all over the

internet, and it's really
because of my doing that's

funny. Oh my god, it's totally
my fault too, man, it's, yeah, I

don't know how to fix

it either. Oh, my God, that's
funny. Hey, we're gonna do the

Fast Five. What's your favorite
color? Favorite color? Blue,

royal blue. Oh, my God, this is
funny. You're the 15th. Why

are we laughing here? Because
you're like, the 15th guy, blue

and black, black because it goes

with everything in blue. I just,
I grew up a Michigan fan in Ohio

because of my dad, but the royal
blue, it just always caught my

eye.

Nice. You're gonna have a royal
blue kid at some point. I don't

think craviato Does that. But,

like, the kid would come out
blue, or that's not good. Yeah.

Do they

do actual, like, painting of the
drums or raps, or is it always

like a wood

they do wraps, right? Craviato?
Yeah, they do wraps too. They

send them to California to rap
but, oh, but man, the inlays are

so nice, and the stands, like,
why would you even want to cover

it up? Yeah? Because that's,
that's their thing. I think the

shells that have a little
imperfection but are still good,

yeah, they'll wrap those ones,
the ones that are flawless on

the grain, sort of style. What
it is, dude, it's unreal seeing

how they make this

stuff. It was they drew odd size
drums, like thirteens, fifteens,

that kind of

thing. I think if you special
request it. I'm not sure. I

don't remember. I didn't see
any, like 15 snares or anything.

Toms. They have a ton of
variations, but in terms of

snares, I think they have mostly
fourteens. We need to

do away with the odd size, if I
remember correctly, let's get

rid of them. Let's get rid of
them. Yeah, because they're a

bitch. To tune,

1412, 1622, that's what I'm
wrong. You're 22 guy. Yeah,

nice. You know, I know it's
country and a big sound, but I

don't know it just works. Maple,

Hey, man, go with it. Maple.
Maple. Guy, favorite food or

dish,

favorite food or dish.

Ooh, the Dan, Dan noodles at
punk walk,

I heard about this punk walk. I
saw it in the nest. You

gotta go, man, we gotta get Sue.
You there. It's the in the sushi

rice is perfect, and it's, oh,
the cocktails are amazing. It's

next to punk walk. What brewery
in this Pilates spot? What's the

is it in East Nashville? Yeah,
there's a big brewery that it's

like, right next to, or, like,
underneath. Okay, it's like, in

a corner next to a couple
different, gosh, so we

got a lot of big breweries here,
though, I'm not a brewery guy. I

don't like

Yazoo. You got your cheap beer
guy? I'm a cheap

beard guy. I was too, like,
ultra or Miller, and then I got

one of the podcasts I produce is
called the ales and tales

podcast. Ales and tales
podcast.com, really opened my

eyes. It's a buddy of mine and a
couple other people you start

really appreciating, like, all
of a sudden, the rest of the

beers just tastes like water.
Yeah? You know?

Well, I lived in Cincinnati, and
there's tons of great, oh yeah,

beer. There, tons of great
breweries. And we, we would play

in, I'd play in Fusion bands and
buddies project at this one

where they, they could let us
drink underage, because our

professor, he was working there.
So I drink tons of great beer

there. Hated sours. I hated the
beer the porters. I just would

ask for the lightest beer. It
was time, and we got, still too

heavy for me.

We had a sour on the show that,
dude, I can't do it. Man,

reserve your judgment, because
at this point I'm talking it

tastes like a baby. Guys home,
did you? Did you hated it?

Probably right. No, he loved it,
really. He loved it because I'm

not a big sour guy, either. One
of our guys brings it and wraps

it in foil, tin foil, so we
can't see what it is. Yeah. So

we did, like a whole mystery
kind of thing, we poured it into

the glass. It's ruby red. It's
beautiful. And we do a sniff

test. We do a site test, we look
at we do a sniff test. I took a

sniff test I was eight years old
again, sitting at my mother's

kitchen beard. Eight years old.
No, dude, well, maybe after

playing outside on a hot summer
day with a glass of milk and a

peanut butter and jelly
sandwich, it was that vivid. I

mean, it brought back memories I
long forgotten. Tastes like

peanut butter, and then you you
drink it, it tastes just, I

mean, they get the peanut
butter, right? It's

amazing. It's nuts. I still

my mind just goes, dude, I'm
telling we got one here. I'll

try. I wish I did, because we
could crack them open, right?

They have it up at Cool Springs,
wine and spirits. I believe they

have it on tap. You can get a
grower film, PB and J beer. It's

called mix tape, and it's by Zul
brewing out of Knoxville, x, u

l, l, x, u l, brewing, Zul, it's

stunning. Maybe we'll hit him up
for some sponsorships. I would

love that. Speaking of that,
what's your favorite drink?

Favorite drink ever? Yeah,
cappuccino, just a cappuccino.

Cappuccino, whole milk. You make
a good one at your crib. Uh,

yeah, I love, I love making a
caption, nice

man, pretty good at them. And
then what would be your who's

your favorite drummer of all
time? Is that possible? Or

of the weak flavor of the Yeah,
who do you listen to?

I can tell you, like, who am I
listening to right now?

Drummers. Well, man, I've been
listening to because Parker's

new record coming out has near Z
on it. Seven. Listening to, and

I have this, I have, like, the
actual drum files. So I'm like,

great. I can hear every note of
his, and I've always been a fan

of his. But it's really fun when
you get to, like, dive into

them. And last record was Chad
Cromwell, yeah, he's another

favorite of too. And yeah, it
was fun playing his part. I

love, I really love his playing
in his energy he has he played

on a Charles Kelly record. Yeah,
it's a but I wish that record

did better, you know, in terms
of commercial success because

dude, like, he's got a song
called your love on there, and

you Chad goes off, man. It
almost sounds like they said,

hey, just keep it rolling. Man.
Hey, just keep going. And he's,

I just love his energy. I love
his fills. I love Charles

play some pretty good drums.
Does he really? He's a class.

Did he play on the album? He
was, No, he was, like, a drummer

originally, yeah. And they're
like, oh my god, you're so tall

and you got such a good voice,
you should, like, be standing

out front. Yeah, you know your

front? Man, yeah, you're too
good looking. Get

out from you're so tall you're
not ugly enough. You gotta What

about

you got? Jim, ask your

question, if you had to.

Sorry, texting with my son,

family man, that's important.
That's more important for

family.

That's a great show. I just
started watching that bill

burr is brilliant on that. He's
just bursting a van, and he said

the whole season, just

yeah, that it'll be amazing if
he makes it to 80. Yeah,

husband,

I had a heart attack screaming
at everyone, unless that's not

really him at home,

whether he likes you or not,
you're getting screamed at

crazy. What's that? What's out
there? Jim,

sorry. Distraction. All

right. Are we in danger?

No, no. It was a car pulling up
the driveway, and they pulled

off to go next door. So

if you see a car pulling up here
and they're not supposed to,

that's you got problems. You got

time to get the gun. Yeah,

yeah. Where? To sit here and be
a victim, yeah? They're driving

away. You're good, yeah?

So if you had to play in a
tribute band, tribute band for

the rest of your life, and it's
all you can do when you're

playing them same music over and
over and over again, never

again, to play any other kind of
music,

yeah? Like genre. It could be
any it

has to be a band. A lot of
people are like, rush, kiss,

steely. Dan.

Oh, steely. Dan's a good one,
yeah? For sure. Um, because you

get

to do like six different drums.
Well, this is such a good

question,

so I'm overthinking it. I'm
like, Man, I gotta pick a good

one. Yeah? Forever. Hold your
peace. I actually, I think I got

a good one. Yeah, this would be
fun, uh, playing in Frank

Sinatra's big band, Frank
Sinatra tribute Big Band. Irv

Kotler, that'd be sad, man. I
could, I could, I could play it

as, like a tribute Big Band.

Get back to that. Jim just

kicking a horn sections ass all
night, dude. Oh, my cuz you got

to keep those guys in order.
They'll if, like, that was the

one thing I learned playing that
stuff was, like, emergency, if a

horn session section doesn't
feel good with you, they'll run.

They'll be, like, all right,
later they'll, they'll go

without you. And you have to,
like, get in there. And that

was, like, really cool to learn.
Like, man, especially with big

bands you, you really got to sit
back there and say, Hey,

motherfucker, like, this is my
band. Yeah, hear that rim shot

in your ear? Yeah? Listen, yeah,
yeah. They was fun, man. But if

you but if you were killing it,
then they would vibe with you.

But if the horn section didn't

like you, dude, I'd love to see
you play some big so we only

have, we've got a couple of big
bands around town. We have the

national Jazz Orchestra. We have
the Tennessee jazz hard to show

up, the rest for sure. And we
have, there's a couple of little

reading bands around town.
Sometimes some cats will get

together over at the Union and
pull out some charts, yeah, and

do some stuff. There's a big
band called The establishment

big band. And when I was, when I
was in your seat, you know, all

the years ago, for having first
moved to Nashville, I did some

time with those bands. But,
yeah, it's been a while as well.

There

was one I played with. It was a
bunch of old guys. A lot of

them, either they never, like,
did like the jazz thing

professionally. A couple of them
played with some big bands

professionally. And then there
was one guy, and they were all

in education or retired. One guy
was John Harner. He played with

Stan Kenton too. Oh yeah.
There's a song called sending

the clowns. Nice. That was him
on trumpet playing him on Trump.

That some that insane Trump is
so that gets really high. Oh,

yeah. John Harner played that
with Stan Kenton every night

when he toured with him. And
yeah, so he was in that band

too. But I was little at all. I
was not perfect too. They were,

like, I was lucky that they let
this little kid, like, drive the

jazz Central, you know, high
school, and go sit in great

episodes like eighth grade or
something. Yeah, I think my

Yeah, I remember driving, at
least at one point. I did it for

a little bit, but no one was in
the club. The owner was there,

really old. It was dating. You
know, this wasn't anything over

there. And they just hand you a
big booklet full of trumpet

parts. You know, some of them
they say, like, number 227, he'd

scroll through real quick and
pull up the trumpet part that

was kind of torn and maybe
missing a

page. It's got liquid paper on
it's got, yeah, it looks like

shit. The thing is, old is

probably 100 years old. It's all
years old. They talk through,

hey, Trump has watched this,
this this drummer. Make sure

here's the tempo. And then we
just go, Yeah, you know it was,

it was pressure for me, but it
was also no pressure because no

one was there. It's just these
dudes, just like getting

together and playing. That's
nice big band music. I love

that. We have that in common,
because not a lot of people have

the experience of pulling out a
book that thick, yeah, I don't

know what's gonna happen. And
never heard of the song some,

most of the time, amazing. That
totally helped your

musicianship. It was fun, man.
And then doing it in college,

and, you know, competing with it
too, in high school, and doing

all that stuff. Once I moved
here, though, like, I just was

like, I'm gonna I want to learn
the natural way. I just want to

see what people do here. Well,
you know what?

We do have a process. I was, I
was at a different here, man. I

was breaking bread the other two
nights ago with near I was

sitting right next to here, and
we were having the hummus. He

was like, just think humus. Just
think Pumas, Pumas, the show the

shoes, Pumas. That's how you
actually say it humus. It's not

hummus, it's humus hummus. And
he so we had, he was like, oh,

it's pretty good, you know,
because he's, you know, Middle

Eastern and pretty good. Yeah,
dude,

they have a sound to those
drummers from Israel. All the

ones I've heard from Israel,
they have, like, their own. And

his brother does the is, does
the Israeli idol? He's the house

drummer on TV for nears
brothers.

Yeah. I did not know that crazy

way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's
cool.

Yeah. That room for squares
record that he played on,

fantastic. That's where I knew
him. Probably knows it near is

awesome, man. So that good to
see the here in Genesis. I think

he played, he played with
Genesis, and he

had an amazing live career
recording, yeah, yeah.

Remember when Billy squire,

everybody wants you, yeah? Dan
ash. Dan

ash, he had a wonderful drummer,
Bobby Chouinard, who died way

too young. The Rumor

has it, Billy Squire was gonna
sing for Van Halen. Wow, that's

by the time.

Crazy, yeah. Hey, man, I am
happy for you. I'm proud of you.

Man, welcome. Thank you. Welcome
to Nashville. You're, you're,

you're, you know, you've been
here nine years, something like

that. You got great game. Big.
You're barely 30 years old.

You're You're, thank you barely
you're doing your you're

expanding into your writing,
production, playing the bass

mixing thing, which is very,
very smart, so people want to

find you. It's on the gram at J,
o, n, n, Bostwick, B, O, s, t,

w, I, C, K, that's John
Bostwick. And next time we're

together, we're gonna be at punk
walk. Yes, Dan, Dan, noodles.

We're doing, we're doing the
noodles, man,

and some sushi, dude. It's so
good. It's so good. Okay, I

gotta do

it. Pump walk. Done right now.

You guys heard it? You guys
heard it here. Jim, thanks for

your It was a long day, man.
Thanks for putting in the time.

We love your time and talent. We
appreciate you. And to all the

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