The Rich Redmond Show

Unknown: Yeah, no, I have a
horror, horror buff. Are you

into horror films? Not huge. I
mean, I'll watch them, but yeah,

yeah, I like them. Yeah.

They kind of got a little out of
hand recently with a terrifier

mode. Oh, my

God, terrifier takes things to a
whole other level. That's not

horror. It's just so gratuitous.
It's Gore, it's Gore, just gore.

I didn't see

that one.

It's, yeah, I won't do it. No,
it's just

you can't unsee the thing.

You can't unsee it. But at the
same time, is it more scary to

not be able to unsee it, or more
scary to be so desensitized to

it that it doesn't bother you?

The desensitization is a thing
that does happen to all of us

with everything that's going on,
right? Yeah?

Because graphic violence used to
be, like, you know,

traumatizing, yeah, rated R or
now you see somebody you know,

on on, you know, granted, on,
on, Walking Dead. At zombies,

they're already dead, but still
gory, yeah, you know. And I

think that that TV series did a
lot for just, you know, getting

people desensitized. Well, I

love zombies. I mean, I've seen
every George Romero movie, but

George Romero zombies were slow
and dumb and lurking. They're

still coming, but they're
they're very persistent. They're

coming. They're gonna get you,
but it's not like they're

running, no, not like World War
Z all that stuff very fast.

This is the rich Redmond show

we were recording last night.
And the topic of planking came

up, and I said, Yeah, I'm kind
of doing some planking. And, you

know, getting into shape and
stuff like that. And

until you said, Well, hey, you
know,

how long can you go? I said, Ah,
man. I said, at this point

probably, I could probably do 60
seconds ago, and it was like,

almost like, a challenge, kind
of going down, I guess, yeah,

you think you can do that? I
said, I probably could. And just

get them down on the floor and
do it right there. We did it

after we finished in the next
room, where at least we had

some, like, you know, not wood
floor. And it was Neil myself

and Tully and I lasted two
minutes and 15 seconds. That's

great, Jim, you are still. I
even did, like, the the RAMBo

rocky thing, where I got Tully
was to my left, yeah. And I was,

I was trying to, you know,
psychologically, vibe, a

mountain, in a way. And I went
off. I'm like, Hey, you good and

everything. I said, I'm looking
you look like you're struggling

there. And I kind of got on my
side. I said, Give me a fist

bump. And everybody in the room
was like, Whoa. Look at Jim with

the one arm. Push up, dude.
Yeah, we fist bumped. And is

this eventually, I didn't. He
beat me. He went three minutes,

10 seconds. Hey,

that's a long plank. Because, I
mean, some people are trying to

do the five minute plank, right?
You know, like,

but, you know, for a guy that's
my size, and I'm getting into

it, you know, I'm exactly not
freaking all Schwarzenegger at

this point.

That's great, dude. Three Minute
plank is amazing. Oh, two

minutes. Hey, is this a new
thing where we kind of, like,

ease into it. We're like, Yeah,
let's,

you know, rip down that fourth
wall and just, just let

everybody in. That's right.

Because we do, we do have a
great guess. How are you? How

have you been since yesterday?
Yeah, what has happened since?

Yes, did you

have a good burrito and a cigar?

I did. I didn't go to the scar
the cigar bar last night, and I

and I had one, and the gentleman
that I was with, um, his lasted

hours, yeah, I mean hours. And I
was mine. You ever Casa Cuba? I

had, like, a monta Monte Cristo
or something like that, which

always makes me think of a Count
Dracula, no mount de Cristo is,

is that sandwich that you dip in
the batter at the member, it was

like a ham sandwich, and you
would dip it in the batter, the

Monte Cristo.

You know, looking at me, you
should, you should think that I

know these things.

Hey, so Jimbo, this is the rich
Redmond show. Always exciting,

because this is this new format.
Well, start

rolling. Wait a minute, is it?
Is that? What that says behind

you?

It is the rich Redmond show.
It's like, I want to get into

this, because this is like a
celebration. We got a great

drummer with us, hailing from to
topless Teutopolis. It sounds

Greek, but he says it's German
to topless Illinois, calling

Nashville home since 2000 he is
a Grammy nominated drummer. He's

been gainfully employed for a
very long time in Nashville.

They played with Easton Corbin
from 2017 to 2025 he was Kelly

picklers, MD and drummer from
2006 to 2017 he was Aaron with

Aaron Tippin from 2003 to 2006
and currently seven years since

2018 as the adjunct percussion
instructor at lipskin

University, I'm talking about
our friend Greg Loman. What's

up, buddy? I'm pretty good. How
are you? Man, it's great to have

you here.

Thanks for the applause. Yeah.

So, um, you were telling me you
live. How about We're about an

hour apart,

yeah, north of town. Yeah, I
like it. It's kind of a little

rural area. How long you been
out there? Here. Oh, since 2006

Yeah, bought a house, I see. And
she, you know, it's the American

dream. The drummer buys a house,

yep. And the further out of town
you get, the cheaper it's yes.

And can you? Can you make all
the noise? And the neighbors

are, can Yep, got a basement?
Nice.

Yeah. You gotta have a it's rare
to find a basement in Nashville.

It is. Although, I will say at
the moment, my basement is

cleared out because I had some
water issues. So I do like the

basement, but I don't like them
right now. Do you,

well, do you? Did you get
flooded?

Yes, kind of a long story, but I
Yes, some I had a leaky pipe

that was leaking outside and
going right back inside, through

the foundation, got that fixed,
and then a couple weeks ago, got

a bunch of rain, and the rain
water found this way in. So, oh,

gosh, yeah, God, I hate that. So

it's a basement in the truest
sense of the word, that it's

actually under the ground,

yes, yeah, that's built on a
slope. So the front of the house

is underground, yeah, and then
the back is not. I had one

of those growing up. We had,
like, the most, like the

greatest garage ever, you know,
two car garage, but separated in

the middle with a staircase. And
we had rooms that went beyond

that, like scary rooms when we
were a kid. But one of them, we

turned into an office and
subsequently became my drum

room, which, yeah, it was
awesome.

Speaking of scary and being
kids, are you guys scared of

dolls?

Because I hate dolls. Like, what
kind of like? Well, they tons on

the doll,

you know? I mean, like the girl
dolls, you know that, and

they're like this, and they're
in their little dresses with the

pigtails and stuff. And the kids
in the 760s, 70s, would play

with these dolls.

My daughter, to this day, has
she had a little toy when she

was a baby, wait, and she called
it baby doll. Yeah, she still

does to this day. Still has it
cute 18 years, but that wasn't a

creepy doll. But I get what
you're saying, yeah. I mean,

my at my grandmother's house,
this doll would be there, and I

was, everybody knew I was
deathly afraid of this thing. I

mean, I hope that thing is just
rotting in hell. So

what do you think the fear of
clowns came from? Like,

everybody has, like, this
irrational fear of clowns, I'm

gonna say it came from the movie
Poltergeist, because, to your

point about dolls, remember that
scene where he's sitting in the

bed, and the clown doll is
sitting in the chair

looking under the bed, and then
it's behind him, right?

Dude, that movie freaking
traumatized me. Oh, it's

interesting, that whole clown
thing, because I've seen guys

that are scared of them, and
they won't, they won't have

anything to do with it. They
run, run the other way, yeah,

yeah. And

then Stephen King really took it
to another level.

Yeah. But do you think that's
like, do you think it originated

from and that's a

good question. I feel like, I
don't know. I think people have

always had an issue with clowns,

yeah, but clowns were, you know,
I didn't have an issue, issue

with them, until that movie,
like, you know, and then he had

killer clowns from outer space,
but that was his camping, yeah,

you know, yeah, no, I'm, I have
a horror, horror buff. Are you

into horror films? Uh,

not huge. I mean, I'll watch
them, but yeah, I like them.

Yeah,

they kind of got a little out of
hand recently with a terrifier.

Oh, my God. Terrifier takes
things to a whole other level.

That's not horror. It's just so
gratuitous. It's gore. It's

Gore, just gore. I

didn't see that one. It's, yeah,
I won't do it. No. It's just,

you can't unsee the things. You
can't unsee it. But at the same

time, is it more scary to not be
able to unsee it, or more scary

to be so desensitized to it that
it doesn't bother you?

The desensitization is a thing
that does happen to all of us

with

everything that's going on,
right? Yeah, because

graphic violence used to be,
like, you know, traumatizing,

yeah, rated R or now you see
somebody, you know, on, on, you

know, granted on, Walking Dead.
At zombies, they're already

dead, but still gory, yeah, you
know. And I think that that TV

series did a lot for just, you
know, getting people

desensitized. Well, I love
zombies.

I mean, I've seen every George
Romero movie, but George Romero

zombies were slow and dumb and
lurking. They're still coming,

but they're they're very
persistent. They're coming.

They're gonna get you, but it's
not like they're running No,

not like World War Z all that
stuff

very fast. So I don't even know
how this all happened, but this

is a great conversation. Yeah,
Jim. Jim likes to, you know, my

thing is, I'm definitely want to
have a free flowing

conversation, but I definitely
want to make sure that we, you

know, people, get some takeaways
about what really makes Greg

tick is a drummer like, you
know, we're, we might be about

the same age. Yeah, you're
probably a little older than me.

I think so I'm older than
everyone. I'm older and five

years older than Jim. You
wouldn't know it. It's crazy

today, my physical therapist was
is 35 years old. I said, Oh my

god, we're 20 years apart. You
could be my son. He's crazy, and

he had great. Hair. Oh, wow.
This 35 year old guy had gray

hair. So when did you start
playing? How old were you and

why? What was the spark? Well,

I did the whole pots and pans
thing in the basement. Got to do

it, you know, yeah, yeah. But I
just, I've always had a

fascination with drumming,
drummers, drumming, and so I

just set up what I thought was a
drum set, yeah, went at it, and

then, uh, my aunt and uncle had
an old kind of beat up kit, and

they let me use it. So I set
that up and started playing on

it, not really knowing what I
was doing. This is beat like,

you know, I don't know how old I
was, probably six or seven. Do

you remember the first beat you
played? I don't remember the

first beat, but I do remember
playing along to the Huey Lewis

sports album. Oh, really. What a
great yes and interesting still,

to this day out, that's a great
record. It's an

amazing record, yeah, yeah, I
mean, and it's funny, because

there's a couple of songs on
there that I believe have drum

machine,

yeah, or programmed Yeah. I'm

trying to think of one of the
songs Jim's in a Huey Lewis

tribute band, yeah. And he's
playing the city, city winery

on May 28 Are you may 28 Yeah,
I'll have to go check it out.

Oh, no pressure for me. But
yeah, every drummer in town

is going to be there, because
I've been announcing it on this

podcast. You know, it

was announced this morning. What
my entire BNI chapter, they're

going to pay for those who want
to go. In terms of people in the

chapter, they should go see you
in a different light, man.

Because, you know, one of the
guys in the chapters, the guitar

player, that's right, he's

a nice fellow. It's crazy.
That's great. Oh, yeah. Just,

is it all Huey or

all Huey? Okay, and there's a,
there's a 12 minute piece that

goes from a couple days off into
boys are back in town, which is

a flipping workout. Yeah? Wow.
12 minutes.

12 minute shuffle with a drum
sole in the middle, right? Yeah.

That's only like a two bar
drops, two bars, maybe four bar,

342, together. Yeah, it's about,
so it's about the length. So I'm

trying to plan what I'm gonna
do, like a triplet, double bass

feel, yeah, because it's, you
know, a couple days off is like

hot for teacher, but really
slow. Yes,

actually, you know, Josh Rosen,
he does these, like tribute

shows. From time to time, he did
a Huey one, and I got to play on

it, yeah? This is last year, I
believe. And I'm not a double

bass guy by any means, but I
borrowed one and worked up that,

right, yeah? Because you

see a lot of guys do it, they do
the right foot pattern. I tried

doing that, but it just didn't
feel right. I needed to you.

Either got to ride that floor
tom on the the one twos and

threes, or, yeah,

I gotta hear this track, man,
yeah. So it's just a slow you

know, all I want is a couple
days off.

There it is, yeah, does? It's
like, Bill got a double pedal

and he wanted to use it, right?
We like Bill. I asked him when,

when we were talking to him. I
said, were you kind of able to

Van Halen at that point? He's
like, No,

you know, we love bill. Yeah,
yeah. So, what was the first

band or the first drummer that
you were like, Dude, this is the

thing. Ooh, that's good
question. Oh, Jim and I were MTV

kids,

yeah. So my first band, and I
still love them to this day.

Def, Leppard, all right, yeah,

gonna have to ask Bri, you know,
pre, the arm, or, well, the arm,

I guess, is probably his stereo
when I first so that's, that's

when he post arm. That was post,
what one arm, Yeah, cuz

photograph is when he had both
arms, yeah. But then I obviously

looked into him and saw the
whole story, and yeah, but yeah,

all the stuff before that I
really liked. You

gotta love the fact that they,
you know, they they worked with

him, and they found a way. They

made her they made a very fun
way to make it work.

Very sweet. Can you imagine

what was going through his head?
You know, the whole your whole

life flashes before, everything,
everything you worked for.

You're at the height of your
fame and your success, and you

lose your arm,

crazy, right? It's like, you
know,

I'm done, and then you

have to re train yourself to

play with like, nine pedals?
Yeah, I have no idea how he does

it. Have you ever tried to play
the snare part with your foot?

No, that's,

yeah, art man, yeah. Be crazy.

He's, he's great. I've got to.
I've meet him a couple times,

and, uh, super nice guy. Seems
like

a very approachable guy. Yeah,
yeah.

They all, they all do. They all,
all those bands seem to be,

like, really humble now, just
like, whatever. And

they still, I saw them a couple
years ago. They still sound

killer live, really, yeah,

pour some sugar on me. Has to be
one of the most played bar strip

club songs in the entire world.
Well,

that's how it became popular.
Did you know that because of

strip clubs, strip clubs, huh?
It wasn't that they released the

record, released a couple songs
that did okay, but they spent,

obviously, millions on the
record. And then strip clubs in

Florida started playing that,
and it just Yeah. And

strip clubs in Florida, let's
face it, are good for them.

Usually it's one of those hot
beds that's like Vegas, of

attractive people, Vegas,
Dallas, Dallas. US, Los Angeles,

Florida, all

those strip clubs still have a
lunch shift. Yeah, you

don't want to go to that. I
mean, the chicken wings might be

good, but the staff is not good.
We had,

we had lunch at the library in
Vegas, yeah, they were an

advertiser for the radio
station, and we went to their

lunch buffet, and that was it's
like from that scene in the

office where Darryl tells Dwight
not to go to the strip club.

He's like, you can't. It's the
day shift at a strip club.

Dwight, you can't unsee that

now all the pregnant girls,
yeah, yeah. Cesarean. Lot of C

sections, lot of C section
scars. Gosh, you don't get this

on the other drum cup podcast,
you just don't. So you did the

whole thing, right? The Did you
do the all region marching band,

concert band, the whole Yeah,

but I was from a small town, and
we didn't even have a football

team, so the marching band we
had was we did, like, two

parades, and that's about it,
yeah. But then when I went to

college, I did the two years of
that was

Eastern Illinois, Eastern
Illinois University, and then

your Master's from the
University of Tennessee,

Knoxville. Yes. Who teaches
there?

I went there mainly for drums.
Head, Keith Brown. Keith

Brown, that's William Ellis.
Yeah, went there, yep, he

did, yeah. And then Michael
combs was the percussion guy. So

I got an assistantship, so I
would teach, like, legit

classical percussion. But my
main focus there was studied

with Keith and yeah, Donald
Brown was there, the jazz

pianist at the time. So I got a
good, good dose of jazz stuff

when I was

in. He's great. He does it all.
I mean, you could see, you could

find him on a marimba. You could
see he's playing timpani in the

orchestra, and then he's playing
jazz and his tuxedo. It's like

covering all the bases, man, you
know, right? You kind

of see yourself coming to
Nashville or, yeah,

I knew I wanted to end up here.
And that's kind of why I went to

grad school in Knoxville. I
auditioned at MTSU and UT in

Knoxville as well, so, but I
ended up doing going there,

which I'm really glad I did. But
after that, I knew I would end

up in Nashville, yeah.

And then when I met you in 2000
you were involved with the

Johnny rap drumstick company,
yes, so rhythm saw, yeah. How

does that? How did that all
happen? Man,

it's kind of a long story, but
it's I go back to is when I was

in college in Knoxville. I go
back to this one moment, to

where, if I wouldn't have done
it, I feel like my whole life

would be different, like I
probably wouldn't be here right

now, you know? So I was in a
think it's a wind ensemble

rehearsal or orchestra rehearsal
playing timpani. It's late in

the afternoon, and they have a
Tennessee Valley Fair, and they

have acts come through there.
Remember the kinleys?

Yes, they're great. So Kurt
dated one of the kenleys. He

dated Heather, my really my
buddy. Okay, wow,

yeah. So anyway, they were
playing that night at the fair,

and I was going to go, but I was
in this rehearsal, it was like a

long day. Wasn't feeling the
greatest. I was like, I don't

know if I'm going to go, but I
went and George Lawrence was

playing drums with him at the
time. Nice. That's right, yeah.

And it was great. So after the
show, I went up to him, said,

Hey, met him, and it's super
nice. He's like, Yeah, I teach

out of Nashville, so if you ever
want to come out. So I started

taking lessons from like, you
know, every six weeks I drive

over, yeah?

But he introduced me to Johnny,
Johnny rap, yeah.

So that's how I met Johnny. And
when I was getting ready to move

to town, he was like, man, we
just need help around the office

here in town. Would you it
doesn't pay much, but would you

be interested as a kick? Yeah.
So yeah, nine to five, I would

go help him around there. And
then you don't go it at night

and start networking and all
that, but that's how I met like

yourself and a lot of drummers
around town, was through that

stick company, yeah. And you

had the office above drum
paradise, which is now the drum

pad where I teach, yes. And

before that, it was at sound
check. I went, right, there's a

sound check. And then we moved
to drum paradise, yeah.

And then our next guest, who's
coming in, John McTighe, the

third was one of your artists,
and he developed these brush

hybrid brushes called webs. The
webs, yep, and they were, they

were brushy, but there's
plastic, plastic, and there's

like, three layers there, each a
different length? Yeah, yeah,

work, great.

I've got some somewhere I do
too, in a bag somewhere.

There's so many inventors in
this space.

There really is. It's and it's
really hard to get a music

auxiliary product to be sticky,
right? Like, big fat, like,

snare drum. Did it, you know,
like, lug locks, did it, right?

Drum dial, did it. But I mean,
Moon gels are, I mean, it's

like, I kind of stopped using
Moon gels. There's so many other

products, yeah, what do you use
now? I mean, I like Gaff. I

like, you know, the drum taco. I
like the big fat snare drum.

Comes,

I have a Mr. Muff, yeah, Mr.
Muff. Don't

know about the Mr. Muff. It's,
it's a,

you put, like a big, heavy
washer in it, or not to wait on

the snare drum, but typically it
kind of clamps down and it's a

big, like, a big mustache, yeah,
you know, yeah, I've seen those.

Yeah. I got it at the Music City
drum show coming up in July,

which

I guess we will have a booth at
we're gonna have a booth so Jim

will be there on the Saturday of
the Music City drum show, and

then I'll be there on the
Sunday. Yeah, and what are we

gonna do at our booth? We're
gonna have merch, merch babies

in my books, and we'll hang out

just, you know, kiss babies and
smell roses and, yeah, shake

hands, do the thing. Yeah. Be
fine. Where's rich? He's not

here. You got me though.

I produced the podcast. All

right, that's right, that's
right,

important, yeah,

man, so I liked my Johnny
because I was with regal tip

before that, yeah? And then, you
know, I was with you guys. I

loved

them too, and I hate they kind
of went away, but, yeah, I told

you about my idea, right? And
then Johnny went away. You know,

Johnny Rab went away. He moved
to, he's

also Indy, and used indies with
collective soul, yeah, yeah.

It's been

a great help for him,

yeah, still a great dude, and we
still keep in touch. And he's

awesome. He's one

of those guys I saw advertising
because they did the rhythm.

Saw, I think, as it was Johnny
Rab drumsticks, and it was like

the silhouette of the dude with
the it looked like a skater,

yeah, it was kind of silhouette
of him, right? And it was

always, like a quarter page ad
in Modern Drummer, which I can't

imagine how much that cost,
peace, really? Yeah, I don't

know, but yeah, it was one of
those things that, you know, I

always knew his name. And then I
was visiting my brother in

Michigan, and they had a great
music store there, and I would

always go. We would always go,
and I'd always have, you know, I

played the electric drums,
because why not? And they had a

an educational video, like a
DCi, VHS video on of Jim Keltner

and Johnny Rabb and Johnny was
showing him the free hand

technique, yeah, I sat and
watched that thing for had to be

20 minutes. I was just mouth
agape, yeah?

I mean, very few people have
that

ability to express themselves
rhythmically, yeah?

And he makes it look so
effortless. He really does.

Yeah. He

must have practiced a lot. Yeah,

he, he and I went to lunch, and
he was, he was trying to, he's

like, I need to do a triple
stroke roll. Like, why? You mean

the three in each other that,
yeah, we do it. Then after a

while, you just start letting
the sticks bounce. That becomes

a

buzz roll, yeah, yeah. Like,
let's just make it a, you know,

quadruple stroke, you know, it's
like an educator,

one of the hardest things to
teach is the, you know, the

machine gun double stroke roll
and then have it be super, super

DVI, open and clean, right?
Because I basically tell the

kids, like, look it, it's mama
data. And you want the second

stroke to be just as articulate
as the first stroke. You don't

want to bounce it. You want them
to be both as articulate as

possible. And to do that, you
know, you just got to be with

your metronome. And you get into
the duck, a duck, a bird, duck,

a duck, a bird. But I thought it
was Hugga duck, a bird. Hug a

duck. A Burr, hug a duck, a
bird, right? I thought

it was ding ding da Gaga,
telling

them about what the goal is, and
then how to get it and and what

happens in between is me telling
them, oh, it's just you go. You

just

muscle memory, it takes a while
to to work it up towards all

even, yeah. I mean, I not
bouncing.

I think I really spent my youth
doing that, right. You know, I

thought it was your marching
band years. Well, definitely

four years in high school, four
years in college. And did you

march at UNT? I did. I did not
ung, I did it at Texas Tech,

okay, and then in high school.
So in both my high school and

Texas Tech had 400 like, giant
400 piece marching bands. Wow,

you know, but they and they were
both drum lines, were match

script drum lines, which has
worked really great. Okay, me, I

just it was a fluke that they
were both match script drum

lines, because I only play match
grip. I didn't

have that luck, yeah, so I'd
never, like I said, I didn't

really march in high school, we
didn't have a football team, so

just did a couple parades. When
I went to college, I had to

march two years. First year I
did bass drum. Second year I did

snare drum, traditional grip.
But I'm left handed, so I

typically lead with left hand,
but I couldn't obviously, yeah,

so which, looking back, it
really helped my right hand, but

I had to learn how to play right
hand. Lead and but

you play your drum set
traditionally, set up, yes, but

I

I'm open ended. Open like, yeah,
yeah. Now

was that because, yeah, Carter
he, he just sat down at a drum

set and automatic. He never saw
anybody play it that way.

It makes crossover the open
handed thing, right? But, no, I

started completely backwards,
like left footed, like this. Oh,

you did that. I did. And then
when I went to college, my

instructor, my undergrad,
suggested I do the open handed

thing. Yeah, at the time, I
wasn't thrilled about it, but

looking back is the best thing
makes it a lot easier to sit in.

It? Yes, sharing, a kit,
sharing. And I just like the

approach of the open handed more
than the cross. Yeah,

have you played open handed?
Much rich you ever try? Um,

you know, there's that beautiful
book that we all kind of work

out in our youth called the the
new breed, by Gary Chester. And

the whole idea behind the book
is to play the entire book,

leading with your left or
leading with your race, so you

can kind of get close to being
ambidextrous. The only time I

play open hand is, is when I
want to sound incredibly sloppy

and self talk.

It's kind of like handwriting
with your left hand. Yeah, you

want to this left

hand is just really for just
smashing gigantic bag beats,

yeah,

I have to do it when I play.
Don't stop believing

that's, yeah, that's how we did,
the way it's done. Oh, over

here.

Yep, exactly. It does all the
other patterns with his right

hand. Pretty brilliant drum
part. And it's like, it doesn't

work without it. It's very
orchestral. Yeah, lot of colors,

a lot of colors. Yeah, Bell, the
ride symbol.

So you're a, I mean, everybody
likes Steve Smith, but who are

some of your guys

drumming guys? Yeah, ooh, I like
picaro a lot.

Yeah. So you bury the beater
most of the time. I don't you

pull off, even for rock,

yeah, all the time I pull Yeah.
I just, I like the sound of the

big drum better, like that. Do
you I bury for rock, yeah, yeah,

but no, I pull off for
everything, yeah, yeah. And then

Gad, obviously, I'm a big fan of

man, it's hard to

you're a young ha guy, aren't
you? Yes? Mickey curry, yeah,

yeah. Speaking of, when was it
the end of two or 2019 we did a

show in Okinawa. Me and a few
others of the band flew to Tokyo

just to take a few days off.
Yeah, Gad was playing at the

Blue Note in Tokyo. Yamaha guy.
So we got the connection. I got

to check out the Yamaha factory
over there and go check out the

show.

That'd be cool. I mean, I I make
no, you know, I try not to hide

it. I love Yamaha drums. Yeah,
that's

what you played when you first
standard.

They're just so great. The
recording customs, yep,

the ones that Courtney made me
sell, you know, I'm joking. She

hates it when I say that, did
you have Yamaha drums that you

sold? I did. I set a stage
customs, yeah, but with a 20

inch kick. But they did sound
very good, yeah, but I looked,

you know, gargantuan behind
them, yeah, because they're so

tiny, yeah,

the 20 inch it's been a while
since I played the 20 inch kick,

yeah. What are you 2424

Yeah, I need a 26

right? I'm still a 22 guy. And

you played a 22 with Kelly and
Aaron and yeah, Easton, yeah.

And

then I had with Kelly and
Eastern I had a little 18 out to

the side, little remote kick
too. Oh yeah.

For loops, yeah. So instead of
loops being on tracks, you would

actually

them, yeah. So do that in a
little side scenario, but then

they go away

when you come in on the course.
That's the only problem with

that approach, right?

Yes, but, um, that could be
good, right? Well, with Easton,

I controlled the track, so I
would put the loop back in

during the course, so that still
stayed there, but I would play

it when it wasn't there, that

is cool, yeah? Because we have,
we have a lot of loops on worth

me just hanging out on the first
verse. Yeah, I don't like doing

that, and so I have all sorts of
role in products that I could

emulate and perform the loop
live. But it's just so much

easier just to have everything
going out front on Pro Tools. So

that's why I incorporate so much
percussion, yeah, so I'll pick

up shakers and be like, you
know, and then throw them behind

me, splat them, and I'm in
because it's show biz, right?

You throw

them, huh? You just throw them
behind you. Leave it at the

Johnny to catch them. Don't
really do that, but sounds maybe

like, you know, throw it on the
ground like the video sounds

better? Yeah. I took my shaker
and I threw it on the ground

spot. Ah,

well, look at all these other
folks that you played with. Man,

you you subbed for Lady a Craig
Campbell, should Daisy, Josh

Turner, Ty Herndon, Trent
Willman, Katrina Ellie's names

are bringing memories back.
Yeah? Brian McComas, this like

late 90s, early aughts,

no artists in the aughts, yeah,
yeah. And

then you've been in some house
bands. You backing up folks like

Steve Cropper, legend Darius
Rucker, big and rich Kip Moore,

got any favorites or interesting
stories from all these brushes

with celebrities,

I will say, so this past year,
the a lot of those were from a

after party on this, after the
CMA Awards, yeah.

So this last year, l King was on
it, and

Rob Schneider's daughter, yes,
yeah. And

she was kind of added last
minute, and so we got this

stuff, maybe a. Day or two
before, or the tune she was

doing. And we didn't have much
info or anything, but she came

in and it was awesome. Crush.
She was, yeah, she was great.

She was a lot of fun saying
Great. And it was just, I don't

know, I had a great time doing I
mean, I always had fun doing it,

but she really kind of impressed
me, because I've heard stories

of, you know, she had to drink
or two, but, oh yeah, New Year's

Eve, yeah, but she was, she was
pregnant, expecting, so she was

sober, and it was awesome,

you know, I guess, speaking of
Vegas strip clubs, I think in

the 70s, you know, pregnant
women smoke and drank, and we

still, somehow, it turned out
we're fine, yeah, you

know, no post nasal drip.
Speaking of a Vegas strip clubs,

as we were talking about
earlier, yeah, Courtney actually

saved Rob Schneider, it at the
Spearman Rhino from a falling

plate platter of shrimp. Wow,

so that Courtney's his wife.
Yes, my wife. And

that is a story that

pretty cool to tell. Yeah, he
kind of looked up at her because

he was, you know, blasted out of
his mind, and she she saw what

was happening. She saw the
waitress, I guess, tripping over

something and falling, and
everything was in slow motion.

Rob was like walking in front of
her, and she just instinctively

grabbed his arm and moved him
out of the way, and right where

he was standing all the all the
shrimp fell, oh yeah. And he

just kind of, like, looked up,
like, like, in that Rob

Schneider, Fauci was like,
thanks.

And Courtney was like, You're
welcome. Oh

my god. Do you guys ever see
that movie? The wrong Missy on

Netflix, God, he is fantastic.
Do yourself a favor. I have seen

this thing probably 20 times. It
never fails to amuse me. It's

Rob Schneider, David Spade, this
girl and Lauren lapkis, who's

been support in so many
comedies. But this is she's

she's like CO lead, and she
steals the

show. She is. She plays a
character that is just

monumentally, like, douche,
chill, annoying, like, cringe

worthy, embarrass. You feel
embarrassed.

Is this a movie or a show?
Movie? Wrong? Messy. Okay, up

tonight. Yes. All right, you are
welcome, because that

who's the one that good one man,
oh, gosh,

Jason Siegel's in it, and he
shows everything. Oh,

is that the one where he's where
he's writing about Count

Dracula? Oh,

oh, what is that with it? And
it's with what's her name? She's

gorgeous. Kristen Bell, Well,
Kristen, well, she's in.

And then the girl from the 70s
show, right? Ah,

you know her? Yes, Katherine

Heigl, no, she was in for, this
is 40 and knocked up this,

oh my gosh, yeah, that 70 show.

She's, like, exotic looking.
She's gorgeous. She's drop dead

gorgeous.

Yeah, totally Yeah. And she's
also on The Simpsons, um, Family

Guy, Family Guy, she plays, Meg,
yeah, Meg, the daughter, oh,

I wanna say Nia Vardalos, but
that's not, that's not who it

is. So let's look

up Family Guy right now. Guys,
we got, we got, we got, Seth

McFarlane, Mila.

Mila, yes, yeah, ding, ding,
ding, yikes.

Now that is a good movie too.

She's like, Dracula musical.
Dracula musical.

What the heck was the name of
that movie? Well, he does a full

frontal noon in that movie,

dude, it's credible. I know,
Jesus,

I don't remember that. I mean,
it's the willingness to do,

can't

you can't not see it because
it's like a baby's arm holding

an apple. Oh, really. Oh gosh,
massive. Good for him, exactly.

Hey,

take to the internet and find
out what that movie you want me

pull the picture up is. No, do
you want to see? I want you to

tell me what the name of the

movie. Okay, um, your wish is my
command. Yeah, man, so

Aaron Tippins, the first big
marquee guy, yeah. And you're

backing this guy up. He's
building bikes on stage. He is

and, and, you know you're, you
know you're making your making

your your money. You're got
maybe somebody helping you set

up stuff. You got three solid
meals a day. You're on the bus,

you're seeing these United
States. Yeah. I mean, that had

to feel good. Oh

yeah, yeah, because that's what
I moved to Nashville to do. So

it took three years to get find
that job, yep. So I was playing

around town and doing that whole
networking thing. Did you do the

lower Broadway thing? Oh yeah,
yeah. Still am, from time to

time. Well,

you go down there, yeah, with,
you know, can kind of curate the

band, or like guys that you like
are like,

hey, yeah, but buddies, I know.
And yeah, I like playing with

guys I know. And

what are the rooms that are
still kind of fun for you to

play? Because there's a
corporate bars that have, like,

rolling kits

and stuff I don't, I haven't
done those, yeah? But like

legends, I like AJs, which used
to be the wheel,

yeah? I like Legends. Yeah, that
was some of my first playing in

town. Was it? Yeah, in the
window, yeah, right, with all

the passers

by, yeah? Forgetting Sarah
Marshall.

Fantastic. Okay, you know,
forget, forget, Forgetting Sarah

Marshall. I'm forgetting
everything.

It's been happening to me a lot,
dude, yeah,

have you been noticing

on you or me on you. Yes, I've

been really bad with names.
Rick, oh god. Steve,

no, it's horrible. Steve, what

was the like when he first got
here? He came here in 2000 Yeah,

what was like? You know, was it
overwhelming, or did we prepared

for it? Or what did I do? Oh my
gosh, I made the wrong decision.

I don't know what I got myself
into. Was any of that crossing

the mind? That's a good

question. No, I do remember,
though, at one time, like I was

working a day job with Johnny
RAM. I go out at night, start

getting gigs, and the pay back
then was like next to nothing,

right? So, you know, I was
making lunches change, no, you

know, seven bucks an hour, you
know, at the, you know, stick

company, and then playing at
night for 20 some bucks. Yeah,

at the end of the week, I'm
like, I'm losing money. Yeah, I

got a master's degree, and here
I'm not even making enough money

to, you know, yeah, so that I
remember feeling that as I call

like, how, what am I doing? But
I just kept pushing forward. How

long did

it take till you felt like,
Okay, I'm on to something here.

Um, well, when I got the gig
with Aaron, it took a while. I

felt like it took a while,
because I would just be doing a

three years

is a long time to be suffering.

Yeah, it is and but just in
playing and feel like I'm going

in circles. But looking back,
I'm glad I did that, because I

made a bunch of connections, and
even to this day, still keeping

touch with guys I met from back
then. So, so I feel like, you

know, a gig would end, I would
still have something, as opposed

to just jumping into something
right away. When I moved to

town, I wouldn't have gone
through all that, you know,

yeah, so I'm glad I had to, kind
of, course, yeah, go through the

dues. Paying is Grant is
fantastic. I remember, you know,

in 1997 my first year in town,
just kind of like having some,

like, really sad nights with a,
you know, a spoon and some

Haagen Dazs going, like, Dude, I
was, like, one of the top

drummers in Dallas, and I can't
get arrested here, not making

any money. I got to work these
day jobs. I was a substitute

teacher. I parked the cars. I
waited tables. Did the you know,

now,

did you guys consciously avoid
doing like construction? I

didn't like construction. You
did not need to do it,

though. I did it for this
company called manpower. It was

kind of like a staffing agent,
see, and like one of the jobs I

did, I had to do a remodel on
the Talbots in green hills. It

was a, it's across from the
Bluebird. Okay, yeah. So, you

know, they were ripping up
carpet and stuff, and, you know,

I was mostly, they kind of took
a look at me, and they're like,

let him sweep and go get lunch,
that kind of stuff. You know, I

wasn't, like, lifting heavy
things. They

didn't give you a sledgehammer
to let you go to it and do demo

No, really no. So cathartic.
Yeah,

yeah. I did one job for the
staffing agency where we had to

take documents, a gigantic 18
foot trailer of dust laden

ancient documents, and we had to
unload them, to burn them, and

talk about my allergies, going,
Oh my God, all the dust from

these documents, 40 year old
documents that were being

burned. Not

crazy, no, yeah. Not fun. No,

we. I mean, there's people that
this is their life. They do this

kind of work every day in and
out,

yeah, but look at back, like, I
was just thankful the whole

Johnny rap thing came up, and
because you were in the

industry, you were meeting
people. Yeah, it was a great

networking tool for me too.
Yeah, you know, um, so, yeah,

very thankful.

And please tell me you got some,
like, discount drama six. I did,

yeah, fantastic.

Yeah. It was actually they made
the sticks in tune Tennessee,

which is south of Jackson. So
we'd go there once, Tennessee

hickory, yeah, yeah. They all
chopped down there, made there,

which, that doesn't happen with
other stick companies. They

bring the wood in from other
places. And, yeah,

that's right, yeah. I feel like
pro markets, it's wood from

Tennessee.

Uh, good chance, yes, I'm not
positive. Strong, chance, yeah.

And every time they kill a tree,
they plant which plant, yeah,

which

is nice. They have to. It's
their inventory, at least the

raw materials. Yes, do you have
to do that? I mean, it will

make sense. You want it, you
should, yes, gotcha. Because,

because

I have an idea for a stick
company, because we need another

stick company.

I don't know if I should say it
here, should I? Well,

don't I mean, I have the domain.
We've talked about it before.

Oh, I got you. Yeah, you better
not mention that, because

somebody will steal it.

Yeah, yeah.

We'll talk off camera.

Maybe he'll invest Yeah, maybe
I. Yeah. So

you're doing tipping, yeah. And
then while you're playing with

them, you get the yes, you go
over to Kelly. Now, are these,

are these, like overlapping
things, or there were, did some

of the guys in the band go with
you? Or how did the begat,

begat, begat thing happen? So

I was playing with Aaron and
loving it. Yeah, right. I don't

know. He did what 6070 shows a
year and

manageable? Yeah, he seems like
a good guy. Yeah, he is.

And then a buddy of mine, Dale,
got hired as the MD for Kelly to

put to put the band together for
Kelly, and this is right after

she did American Idol, yeah, so
he wouldn't know if I would want

to do it. And at the time, I was
like, I don't know, because

she's untested, right? And she
had four gigs, was that all she

had? But it's all like, TV
shows, yeah? So it's like, at

the very least, because with
Aaron, we did, really didn't do

any TV so like, at the very
least, I get that experience,

and then it may end or it may
not, so I don't know. So I took

the leap and then got 11 years
out of it. Yeah, I know. Yeah,

amazing.

That's really sad about Kyle
Jacobs, yeah, so it was her,

were they still married at the
time? Yeah, he committed

suicide. Yeah, what? Yeah. Very
strange, because I would run

into him all the time, like we
were, you know, super good dude

part of the community. I'd run
into him at the tin roof, or I'd

see him every tin roof, or I'd
see him at writers

nights, yeah, songwriter. He was
dating her, or married. They're

married, yeah, really. And was
he, what? Was he in the band? Or

no, he's like, a songwriter,
songwriter, producer, but he'd

come on the road quite a bit,
hang out now, really good dude.

Yeah. It really shocked me when
I heard all that too. Were they

still married at the time? Oh my
gosh. Had no idea. He said, wow,

yeah. So, I mean, you go from
Aaron tip, and, you know, you've

been, you were him with him for
several years, yeah. And then

let me get, I know we're going
back here, but I mean, a lot of

the was that kind of, like, the
first gig of, like, you know,

pinch me. I can't believe I'm,
you know, it's a, it's a

formidable country name,

right? And for me, yes, and I
grew up listening to country

music, and my parents had radio
on all the time, so I was

familiar with a lot of his
stuff. So to get to play those

live was a lot of fun, you know,

I bet was that the first
instance of, like, wow, you

know, yeah, like, I star struck
in a way, right? Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, and it
was just kind of, because at the

time, you know, I had never done
anything like that, like, Can I

do this? Like, I feel like I
can, but you've been able to do

it. And, you know, just the
first experience was it was

really good. He's a great dude,
yeah, he's a good band, a great

band leader. And so it was just
a really good first gig for me.

Yeah.

So you also, during all of this
time, you know you were at, you

were you're teaching percussion
as a adjunct professor at Tsu

for 15 years, you had me and
thank you, to do a drum clinic,

and then now you're over at
Lipscomb, and you know, it

sounds like that's an amazing,
amazing program,

yeah, and Lipscomb is really
growing. They just added a

performance degree, whereas
before, they just had either

they have a commercial program,
but either singer songwriter or

production major. So with them
adding the performance degree,

it opens the door up to more.

Yeah, more. How many serious
kids you got over there this

semester?

I've got 11 students, and we
started a percussion ensemble as

well. Nice. Just been good. So,
yeah, really enjoy it. But that,

you know, prior to this past
fall, I would have, I don't,

four or five students, so it
wasn't as busy. And then in the

fall, you know, I was there two
and a half days a week, and then

leave that night to go out with
Easton, and then be gone and

then come back. And it was just
kind of non stop, which was

great, but that's why I kind of
took a step back from the road

for the time being. Just

Easton, you were there a good
eight years, yeah, yeah. Nearly

eight years. Yeah, yeah, man, it
was good, too. I enjoyed. Gonna

be cool to be like a professor
at a university. It's like, very

like, you know? It's like,
you're David du Coveney or

something. And, you know what? I
mean, you you pull up and you

got your elbow patches, and it's
just cool, you know, do you wear

elbow patch?

I don't have any. I need to,
need to step up my game. I guess

you have a monocle. I don't

twist your what do you call the
timing the railroad tracks must,

yeah.

Like, I mean, is there like, a,
like, a faculty cafeteria, or

anything, or do you go and
you're like, it's like, not like

on the TV shows, like, nothing
like, where everyone's like,

cutting up and

no, is it like community? Like,
what the TV show community, I've

never seen it,

really, that's what I'm
thinking. Like, Chevy Chase, you

know?

Oh, very laid back. Yeah, yeah.

I like it. Really good. Faculty
there are great. And actually,

the head of the music program.
Now, I went to college with

where I was getting my Master's
at UT. Oh, she's. Yeah,

relationships in action. And Rob
is there? Rob bias, yeah, so he

had me come in and kind of give
to tell the kids the cold

hard yeah. What is

the cold hard truth? Yeah, you
know,

you must be present to win. You
gotta treat it like a full time

job. You gotta have a firm
handshake. You gotta all the

stuff, you know,

so you can't just do it the way
I want to do it. How do you want

to do it as you know, whenever I
feel like it,

you try. Yeah, I am.

I mean, at the heart of it,
Jim's not working out. He's a

drummer. I mean, he is, like, he
does a million other things,

but, I mean, he's just, like, a
great, natural drummer,

like, well, I'm going to see
your show

in May, no pressure. I think, I
think you're like, I don't know

the sixth drummer that we've had
on that we've told about this.

It's like, Yeah, I'm gonna have,
like, all these really good,

seasoned people.

I'm gonna be there. I'm gonna
get they make great pizzas

there, yeah? Nice selection of
wine. Just like, gonna be great.

Really make a night of it city.

Well, it's a winery, yeah, I've
never been there. So you get in

with Kelly Pickler. And her
first hit was, what? Red high

heel. Yeah, very good. And that
was her, I remember that music

video because, I mean, she was a
looker man. She was hot. And she

came from good roots. She came
from North Carolina, VA, VA,

voom, right, yeah. And so, I
mean, 11 years with her, I would

imagine that she's just as down
to earth as,

yeah, kind of like a sister
growing up. Yeah, that's really

sweet. Yeah, good showers at our
had our backs and right. Was fun

to work for. Got to do a lot of
cool stuff, travel wise, and

different TV shows and uso stuff
overseas and, yeah, yeah. A lot,

a lot of cool experiences with
her. She

had, she had, like, a full time
morning show hosting gig for a

while,

yeah. XM, yeah. But it was,
yeah, she did that. And that's

kind of when is that Kelly and
Kelly and Billy and Ben. So she

was doing that, and that's kind
of when the Easton thing popped

up. So I was like, we can't. We
kept we were getting slower and

slower each year. She was doing,
she did a couple of Hallmark

Christmas movies, right? So she
was kind of going that

direction, which is great, but
it left, you know, fewer and

fewer shows each year. So the
Eastern thing popped up. And

that's kind of when I Yeah, move
forward.

Now. Speaking of her getting
into acting, you were sort of an

actor on the television show
national, you were the drummer

for Juliet Barnes, Hayden,
Panetta Harris, it was a

lot of fun. Yeah. So I played a
drummer.

Go figure. How did you guys get
paid? Was it a SAG thing, or is

it non union rate? Kind of a
thing through the Union. It was

through the AFM,

yeah? AFM, yep. And it was
great. It was a really neat

experience just to to do it. And
they were pretty adamant on

making sure you're playing the
right parts, yeah, yeah. And was

there like a consultant, musical
consultant, that was like,

You're not crashing, the crashes
when you're supposed to.

No, no, no. That was not like
that, but, but it

was like, a, a, you know, the
the TV heads and the TV symbols,

right? Yeah,

yeah, the world thick. So you
got to, like, lay into it to

make it look like, yeah, you're
hitting them, like, Star Search,

yeah. But no, they but sometimes
you wouldn't get the music

because they were recording the
music pretty much as the show

was being taped. So sometimes
you wouldn't get the music to,

like, the day before. It was
just a rough mix. So you kind

of, you know,

yeah, scribble out a chart,
yeah,

did national songwriters write
all the tracks for that show?

That's a good question. I'm not
really sure.

I mean, it's, you can make the
case. I think it sounded like

it, yeah. But I mean that it was
funny. When that show first came

on, I was still working at Jack
FM, and, you know, instantly I

was like, why? You know, some of
the more unrealistic elements of

the show were like, hey, you
know, I'm having a bad day.

Let's go down to tootsies and
get a drink. I'm like, No. And

nobody that lives here,
especially if they're an A list

star, oh, let's just go down the
tootsies. And that doesn't

happen. Made for a good state,
meet me up on the pedestrian

bridge for a little No, it
doesn't. No, that doesn't

happen. Yeah, right, yeah. I
don't want to sing on the opry

stage. And she just happens to
walk up to the stage, and

there's a spotlight, right? I'm
just gonna bask in the globe. I

mean, it is a television show.
Oh, be realistic about it, for

crying out loud, stretching
reality a little bit, yeah, but

stretching it like beyond. But
people were

ravenous. They loved the show.
Do you get a couple years out of

that? Huh? I

did, I did the first season, and
then maybe one or two episodes

of season two. Did you get to
hang out with Connie? Not

really. She was in a couple of
scenes I did, but yeah, she's

more with the Hayden character
and Chip Eston, which I didn't

realize at the time. Whose Line
is it? Anyway you remember that

show? Yeah, he was on that.
Charles Eston, yeah. He was

also, like, the, you know, yeah,
the off. Us, yeah,

he played a couple of, a couple
of episodes in season three of

the office, and

then he ended up on that
television show with all the

kids, and there's, like,
pirates, and they're in the

Carolinas, and they're chasing
each other. It's like

a, like, a, oh, oh, Outer

Banks. He's great in Outer

Banks. I didn't see, yeah, he
turned out to be, I guess, the

bad guy.

He was the bad guy, that's
right, I will say he was one

too, because he played guitar.
And couple of the scenes, he was

wanting to get the part down, so
he would ask the guitar player

that was hired, like, Hey, am I
doing this right kind of thing?

Yeah, yeah. Because he is kind
of, he's a musician. He is,

yeah, but he was wanting to
actually look like he was

playing it, where some probably
didn't really care. But Michael

Knox, you know, Jason's
producer, got called to produce

a couple of tracks for each of
some of these stars on that

television show. And of course,
he calls us up, and he's like,

you know, are you guys? Of
course, you want to do it. But

right now we're playing a county
fair somewhere in the middle of

America, so I couldn't do it.
But you know, there was no

flexibility on the date. It's
like,

these things happen right when
you're on the road, yeah, you

know, yeah, exactly. You can

phone it in now,

hey, you went, Uh, did some uso
gigs. Yeah, I love those. I did,

been to about 1919, countries.
You see some interesting things.

And you definitely feel the
love, because they love you

being there, exactly,
entertaining them, yeah, Kuwait,

Afghanistan, Turkey, Italy,
Spain, England. Let me guess the

best food was in Italy.

Ah, you're probably right, Italy

or Spain, Italy. I mean, England
is, you know, well, so

for some of those, like, uh,
Kuwait and Afghanistan, we were

on a base, so we were eating
cafeteria food, yeah. But the

the Italy, Spain, that we were
doing a Chairman's tour, which

was like, we flew over in on Air
Force Two, and then it was, it

was pretty nice, yeah, yes. Um,
so there we got to experience

more of the, you know, food
outside of the base.

Yes, don't they source the food
from local or is it shipped over

as well? That's

a great question. I should have
those guys. I don't know. I

mean, those guys eat pretty
well, because an army runs on

its stomach, you know. So they
do feed soldiers pretty well,

yeah, general Hall, yeah. And
then you'd be working out. And

we were in, like, you know, I
went to, like, Dubai and

Macedonia and Croatia, and
you're, like, in the middle of

some desert in a tent, and
there's, like, this makeshift

gym, and you're on the stairs
master. And

we was a chrome gym equipment,
like, from the 80s that was

pretty relatively

new, yeah, relatively and then
we landed, like, on one of those

things on the aircraft carrier,
and it catches you haven't been

able to do that, and then we
worked out in the bowels the gym

was in the bowels of the ship.
And you're like, you were on an

aircraft carrier, yeah, the USS
Kennedy, really? We dined with

the captain and everything, wow.

So you actually landed on an
aircraft. How do I not know

this? Oh, man, we did all that
stuff with Rush low. That's

amazing. Oh, wow, yeah, we made
very little money, but we had

great experiences. It's

like, you know, saving people
from shrimp at a Vegas strip

club.

Exactly right. Dude,

unbelievable. So Greg, I gotta
say, if you're, if you were, are

comfortable talking about it,
you got a 12 year anniversary

coming up here in a week, this
Sunday, this,

yeah, here in a few days. Yeah.
So to me, this

seems like it was a thing that
was probably very life changing

for you. Yeah, very and just the
way you frame your life and see

life, and don't you even have a
clinic. Now that's kind of kind

of wrapped around some of these
concepts, yeah,

yeah. So it's Yeah. So I was in
a wreck driving back to

Nashville, and got rear ended by
a semi truck going about 50.

They Yeah, he was going 50. How
fast, and

you were, well, I was either
stopped or moving slow because

there was a bed wreck on the
other side of the interstate,

like fiery wreck. And then, um,
what were you driving a pickup

truck? Which, oh, okay, it was
about that size. But then the

bed just kind of, yeah, big old
crumple zone, yeah, oh, which,

that's what it's kind of
designed to do, which is great.

Was anybody in front of you?
Yes. So I hit the car in front

of them, and then I think they
hit the car in front but I don't

remember anything. Wow, yeah. So
yeah, my truck was pretty

mangled. Oh, but yeah, so that
happened, and that was up up in

the hop up in Louisville for
about three weeks, hospital for

two weeks, and then a rehab
hospital next door for next door

for another week, and then went
back to Nashville and did a

bunch of rehab stuff. Yeah,
there's a lot of rehabbing.

Yeah, that would be very trying,
like, on your patients, and

emotionally difficult, because
you're, you're learning how to

do everything again,

yeah, so I lost all my strength,
like I. Couldn't like when I

remember bits and pieces of the
stuff when I was in hospital, I

remember walking with the
walker, because I couldn't just

stand up on my own. Really, just
lost all the strength, yeah, so,

but it just and that just
slowly, you know, got back to it

and the rehab and, you know,
physical therapy and all that.

But I had a TBI as well a
traumatic brain injury, so my

memory, like I remember in the
rehab hospital, I'd have

breakfast, and then by the end
of the day, I couldn't tell you

what I had for breakfast. Oh,
wow, yeah, it's pretty wild. But

so it took a while for the
memory to get back. Earlier you

mentioned that

because I was like, yeah, how do
you improve your memory?

Fish oil? Pills. Yeah, yeah.

But no, there's a there's a
couple apps you can do, was it?

I forget the name of it, but I
did that where they like not

gains, but they'll give you

no challenges, yeah, challenges,
brain challenge, yeah.

But thankfully, it got better,
but it's still like to this day,

I feel like it's not as good as
it used to be, but, you know, I

can still function. Yeah, you
know. But yeah, so did. That

broke my neck, and that was so
that, and the brain, brain

injury were the main two

biggest issues. So it was a, so
it wasn't a, obviously, you're

still able to move. You're not a
quadriplegic

that broke c2 which is somebody
hangs themselves. That's what

goes it could sever the spine.
So I'm super lucky to still be

here and then not be paralyzed,
you know. So it's one

of those things. I mean, even
though we brought it up earlier

with Rick Allen, yeah, similar
situation, all of a sudden,

everything, you know, it's 12
years ago, so that would be 2013

you're you've got some time in,
you got some success. There's a

height of a career happening.
And then it's like, you know, I

got a lot of things going, and
then this happens, yeah, it's

like, Oh, my God, terrifying,
right?

Like, what happens if I can't

play my because we wrap our
whole life in our, our, our

definition of ourselves around
this sure

and to withhold the brain
injury. I didn't know, I know I

could rebuild the strength, and,
you know, it took a while, but I

didn't know if it would still
feel the same, you know,

because, you know, I may have
come back and just sound it felt

different or not, you know,
yeah, sounded real stiff or, you

know, but thankfully, I was able
to

to put on that kind of blue
record and just, Spang, bang. A

Lang it, man, you know,

what did you sit? Do you
remember what you sat down to

play the first time? I

remember sit just at a practice
because I had a neck brace on

for like, three months. So I
just remember sitting at a

practice pad, just taking it
slow, then sitting behind a kit

and just, you know, slowly
working up grooves. And just as

a lot of it was strength.

What kept you going every day? I
mean, it's easy in, in the short

term, term of going day to day,
it's easy to be like, I just,

you know, you got to have the
will. You had to dig deep out of

it.

Yeah, a lot of it was music
because I wanted to get back on

the road. I want to get back to
doing it, because that was my

motivation to to get back on the
road. And Kelly, at the time,

was great. And she she said,
Take as long as you need. Your

job. Will be here whenever
you're ready, yeah, which meant

a lot, you

know, yeah. So I would imagine
salary was involved at that

point, or,

uh, no, it was a show per show,
per show, yeah. But she was

super nice. And like when my
family from Illinois, but they

drive over, and she took care of
hotel rooms for him to stay,

yeah? And then the drumming
community did a benefit, which

Rich was at, yeah, so, and all
that helped, you know, yeah, so,

yeah, it was definitely, I don't
recommend doing it. I mean,

what happened to the semi driver
is he? Like, what

was he? What caused the x was
he? Was he? I think

was just distracted from the
fiery wreck. I'm assuming. I

really don't know. I've never

talked so there was a wreck
already on the road, yeah, on

the other side, on the other
side. Oh, he was rubbernecking,

yeah.

So I think that's why I was
either going very slow or

stopped, because all the traffic
was kind of slowing down.

Should do the like a get a pi
attorney involved at all, or

personal injury? Yeah,

I had to just Yeah, because I
had to be life flighted and, my

god, yeah, so. But I was getting
bills in the mail from that

company. Yeah, because insurance
doesn't cover, I had health

insurance, but only covered up
to 5000 for transportation,

right? And there's like, 25
grand for that Life Flight,

yeah, and I don't remember it.

So they're, they're, they're
sending you bills at least,

like, Hey, can I make, can I
make payments on this? Right?

So, but, but anyway, I changed
your question. Yes. I had, had

to get an attorney involved to
he kind of handled all that for

me, but I had to make a payment
just to kind of shut them up.

And then everything got worked
out between the trucking company

and everything you know, could
you at least come out? A head,

if you want to call it a head.
Well, I mean, you know finance,

yes, financially, yeah. So, I
mean, more than likely I'll need

another surgery down the line,
because the fusion, they did

fusion c2 to c3 and it puts
pressure like c3 to c4 right? So

chances are down line, I'll need
another one. So yeah,

my gosh, and you got to count on
that financial Yeah. So I just

again, yeah,

so I just put it all the way and
act like I don't have it, and

hopefully, hopefully I don't
need it for

that. Yeah, interesting. That's
really smart. But the craziest

thing though, mentioning the
other wreck,

so there was already an
ambulance, or more than one name

is on that go into that scene.
But while they were in route.

They got diverted to mine. So
they were only, you know, two to

three minutes from me when my
accident happened. Oh, wow,

yeah. But they got they got
diverted, though, because the

people in neither wreck didn't
make it. Oh, really, yeah,

wow. That's, yeah, how far so
Life Flight from where to where

I was, I think maybe 40 some
miles south of Louisville. And

there was a, like a local is in
Hardin County, a local community

hospital there. So they took me
there, but then life led me from

that hospital up to Louisville.
Okay, they had a trauma center

up there. 40 miles,

$25,000

Yeah, wow, it's not cheap,

dude. Medical stuff is insane.
We're in the business.

Yeah? You know,

I got a little

arthritis in my neck. It's a
beautiful gift for my mom and my

dad. So I went to physical
therapy today. I'm trying to

figure out ways to Sure, yeah,
move forward. And not, you know,

because you do the whole, like,
all the, all that stuff,

cracking, yeah, the and the foam
roller, different things you do

with the foam roller and and
then some bands. And you put the

bands in the door, and what are
they talking

they encourage any chiropractic
that kind of situation,

no chiropracting is it's like a
dark art. It's like, either like

it or you don't, kind of a
thing, or you believe in it, or

you don't. I don't know. I'm on
the fence.

It's always worked out for me in
the past. So, yeah, gotta do it

on a regular

basis. I've never, never tried,
and I'm very scared now, with my

neck in any kind of a, yeah,
kind of, what were

some of the challenge like, what
were noticeable losses, if any,

when you finally sat back down
at the drums at a gig, or maybe

in rehearsal or anything like
that, where

movement like, because I was at
a neck brace for three months,

so when I got it taken off, I
would still like, yeah, so it

took quite a while just to get
the movement back. You know, so

kind of a funny story, Jay, a
bass player, one of my best

friends, I got back on the road.
I probably came back sooner than

I should have, but so my
movement was still kind of

limited, very limited. So we're
playing this, this venue, and

then had like a balcony around
us, and he's like, dude, like,

look up that. Like, check out
this chick, right? Yeah, so

you did the other do the batch
move. It's like, this

five year old little girl, and
he's just laugh. He just did the

mess with me, but I had to do
this, that whole thing, and back

around. And he's just laughing.
Which day is this? Jay Weaver,

Jay Gorman. Jay Gorman, so he
was with Kelly the whole time,

and then actually played with
Easton for a couple years, but

we were in a band together
shortly after I moved to

Nashville.

Yeah, I hadn't seen him in a
very long Yeah,

but no, he's great, but no,
yeah, it was kind of funny. So I

guess getting back just the
mobility and movement, and it

took a while just, you know,
strength wise, playing a full

show to get back to where I felt
really, really comfortable

again. You know, are

you kind of a dancer when it
comes to playing, you say you

dance in the seat? I'm

not. I'm no, I'm pretty great.
You're

Neil. Just serious, yeah, yeah.

She takes care of business.
Yeah,

I don't have a lot of extra
movement or motion, I guess. But

right? You're

not doing the ridiculous things
that I'm doing and making the

ridiculous

phases. I should, maybe I
should. Yeah, it's,

it's painful. You do kind of rub
off. You know, I find myself

dancing a lot more when I play.

Well, whatever you got to do to
get that feeling in

your body movements important,
yeah, but mine's not really too

exaggerated. But, yeah, you're

not, you're you're not limited.
You you can, like,

work out, yeah, yeah, I still my
neck will stiffen up really,

really quick, yeah? But other
than that, I'm, I feel like I'm

pretty good killer. Okay, good

for you, man. Massage is very
thankful. Massages. No, here's

what anybody near his neck,

nowhere, nothing, don't, don't
even look at it.

Yeah, don't, don't touch.

So happy that you're no, but the
Nashville community was awesome,

yeah, because I lived by myself,
so my family came afterwards,

you know? Which they stayed with
me at the house for a while, but

I couldn't drive for months, you
know. So I'd have rise to and

from physical therapy and at
Vanderbilt, yeah, and then they

did the benefit. So the support
kind of going back to your

initial question, like, with the
clinic stuff, I make that a part

of it, you know, yeah, how you
treat people? And, you know,

build my old band director. He
has a book, right? Yeah, yeah,

things you wish you knew
yesterday. That's great. Ah,

man, but he so going up, I had
the same band director from

fifth grade through high school,
so, because it's such a small

community, but looking back, and
he was, he's the reason I

pursued music, really, he's got
to be very proud of you, yeah,

well, he's passed away. No, he
had pancreatic cancer, but,

yeah, but he's awesome. He wrote
the book, but he's the one he

like. He calls it Personal
Capital to where, if you act,

you know, like a decent person,
treat people with respect, show

up on time, you gain this kind
of Personal Capital like you

would with money in a bank,
yeah? And then, you know, you

have a good relationship with
the people. And so when you need

it, like after my accident, I
feel like I had a good, you

know, without really realizing
what I was doing, yeah,

yeah. So they did that benefit,
and just it meant a

lot, tons of me. So were you
aware of your own personal

capital at that point? No.

And then so after that, to where
I kind of hit me, like, wow.

Because I always, you know, I
don't try to be an idiot or,

you know, he was doing what
comes naturally and common

sense, yeah.

So I didn't think about it or
realize it. And then he came out

with that book after my like as
a while, a few years after the

accident. And then I read as
like, wow, this is all stuff I

learned. I feel like he's by Mr.
Miyagi, where he's teaching me

stuff where I didn't realize
right at the time. Yeah, wax on,

wax off, yeah.

Did it kind of strike a nerve,
yeah, really, yeah, because you

weepy, yeah, a little bit.

But no, it's, it's, uh, it

doesn't take much to get me
weepy these days. No, a wee bit.

The weirdest things

you get the Clint very

easily. Thanks, Mom.

You know it's you're just, you
know, more in touch with your

feelings, yeah? But I feel like

that side of things is just as
important as the drum. I mean,

the drumming is obviously got to
be important, but the other side

is just as important,

yeah? I mean, the drumming gives
us purpose, and it allows us to,

like, you know, affect people in
this lifetime. But, um,

it's, it's not everything, no,
you know, and that's why I like

the teaching so much, because
it's, I like to take the

approach my old band director
did. And it's not just about,

you know, a rudiment Ian, you
it's more about the bigger,

bigger picture, yeah. But
drumming is a way to, you know,

hopefully get to them. It's

a people business. And you even,
if you even go to the Music City

drum show, check those guys out
in July, the you can kind of get

a sense of the community easily,
you know, it's just a really

even, you know, Courtney, my
wife, was there with me last

year, and she noticed it. You
know, she has every reason to

not want to be there. She was
helping me out, and it's just a

cacophony in that building the
entire weekend. And she kind of

enjoyed it. I'm like I said,
that's the greatest thing about

is that you're gonna see, you
know, your Greg Bissonnette,

walking through and mingling
with people and just being cool

on down to people that just want
to network. And sure, you know,

dare I say network, or what do
you guys call it? Such a dirty

word, I know, but what's it
called? Then, um,

kibitzing, um, mingling,
crashing, party networking?

Maybe, I don't know,

yeah, but I feel like the
drumming community in Nashville

is very open and hospitable and
accommodating. Yeah, exactly.

And

it's not like, you know, I guess
you're gonna get guys,

does it exist on the surface
where, hey, man, I'm really

happy. I'm so championing you,
and I love the fact you got that

gig, but internally, they're
going, son of a

well, I mean, I think it's a
polite it's a politely

competitive city, yeah, you
know, lightly competitive,

interesting, a politely
competitive, you know,

you've thought about this
before, yeah?

I mean, because I've been in the
other music

cities, you know, yeah, you
lived in LA for Yeah, how was it

there? It's nice,

but it's like, it's just, you
know, it's more spread out, and

see more cutthroat. It's, it
does seem a little less

friendly. Yeah, you see, I came
out of Danbury, Connecticut,

which was an hour and 10 minutes
out of New York City. I never

really got, went down to New
York and attempted to compete on

that level. But in Danbury, I
was like, one of the guys, yeah,

you know,

to play my physical therapist
from Shelton, Connecticut. Yeah.

He goes, Hey, where are you
from? I was like, Connecticut.

He's like, I never meet people
from Connecticut. Wow, but

that's

the funny thing is, I don't
think you're like to. Greg's

point about Personal Capital.
I'm not sure if you're really

aware of yours rich, because you
have mentioned before in some

Well, if I die, I which hope you
will at some point it's going to

happen. Yeah, just who knows
when? I hope people show up to

the funeral.

I have no doubt, no doubt your
funeral is going to be huge.

Well, hopefully it'll be a big
party. I would like, I, I you

have to take audits of these
things, and you wonder that,

man, I hope I have that kind of
personal capital with people,

because I'm pretty sure I can be
a dick sometimes,

but we all can. Jim, yeah, well,
you

the thing about easiest to deal
with, yeah,

but you, I have never noticed
that. I mean, what? You have

boundaries. You know, you know
how to put up boundaries, and

you're not a just a people
pleaser layover. No, I can, I

could. I could be a people
pleaser,

but you do it. I remember you
once telling me it was when we

made the made the documentary,
and you said that it always

stuck with me that I will
remember everybody's name

because it's music to their
ears. I try, you try and make an

attempt and try to use their
name, which is something that

rubbed off on me, because if
there's somebody who's wearing a

name tag, I'll use their name,
yeah, and it earns you, you

know, favor, you know, love it.
It's like beautiful

melody to their ears. It's
music. People love their name,

and they love to talk about
themselves. But

you were never opposed to like
you said something that was so I

don't wanna say profound, but it
had a lot of weight to it,

because

you never see anything profound,

Rich. I'm gonna remember the
receptionist, the second

engineer, the first engineer,
the janitor, he says, because

everybody in that studio wants
to move up, and at some point in

life, I want them to remember
that I treated them well.

And if the if the intern forgets
your ketchup on your french

fries, for, God forbid, do not
light them up, because they're

just doing the best they can.
Yeah, and that is not worth

ruining a potential Yeah,
lifelong relationship over

ketchup, because I've seen it
happen.

We both have. But you never know
where that intern is going to

end up, right? You may be
working for him someday, you

know, yeah, in

five years. And people don't
think about that. No, they

really don't like

the the Personal Capital thing.
It just all adds up. It wouldn't

and hopefully you don't need to
use it

as your, as your, as your
reputation precedes you, because

it does. Our reputation totally
precedes us, and we can ruin it

in one second. Yeah, takes 20
years to develop it and

two seconds to get rid of it.
It's so

crazy.

Yeah, I'm not sure how true that
is. What do you think you're

saying? You it depends on the
severity of what you did to

ruin it. I mean, you can have a
bad day. Yeah, everybody's got a

bad day. But if you

No, if you're dumping on people
on a regular basis,

yeah, it's not good. No, it's
not good. But

Greg didn't do that. No, he's
no.

But I feel like I used all of it
up because everybody was so

helpful. So I feel like I want
to do more to help others now,

you know, yeah,

forward, yeah, we're in kind of,
like, a give back chapter of our

lives, you know, which is great
it is, we need to

start a nonprofit.

Maybe I should, yeah, about what
I don't know,

like, you know, a fund of sorts.
Maybe that there's, there's a

cut, you know, people contribute
to and whenever somebody has a

situation like yours, yeah, I

did look into that, actually.
And there's always already some

set up, and it's got to be
different enough to make it

like a music character, yeah,
exactly. Yeah. There's

some set up through the union,
some through the Opry. There's

different organizations that do
that, but it's to set up like a

501, c3, has got to be different
enough to make it Yeah, make

sense, right? Then

you gotta have a board, yeah?

Because I'd love to have
something, something music

education related, because, as
we both know, it's disappearing

in the schools. Yeah. And you
and I owe our much of our our

mindset, our skill set, our
direction in life, from music

education, exactly,

definitely. It was very
important for me, because

growing up in a small town, I
didn't have that, like a lot of

guys will have that, not through
high school, like the, you know,

a lot of music opportunities,
ability, you know, abilities,

and, yeah, I didn't have really
anything. So when I went to

college, that was my holy cow,
you know, yeah, high opening.

But I think that

just baked into your DNA, you
know? And I've just met you

today, and I can always tell
you're just a chill dude and

you're gonna conduct your common
sense, as opposed to somebody

else's common sense. I don't I
think there's a flaw. Well, it's

common sense. No, it's not. It's
subjective. Sure what comments

What is common sense to you, to
another person, is vastly

different. So you coming in and
you know, you rich had talked

about in the documentary as well
working the dream,

Jim, you're such a promo sexual

you had mentioned how you've
gone into situations and have

been vibed by people sure, you
know. And it's, it's, it's akin

to, like I go back to the car
business, where you have a

salesperson, because I was in
the car business. And there's a,

there's a cycle that happens in
that business, and probably

others as well, that you enter.
It's, it's, it's a place you can

make a lot of money overnight.
It is truly like an overnight

success type of thing. If you
just hustle and grind and get in

front of people, you can make a
good amount good living, sure,

but most of those guys in that
role are kind of corralled by

managers who haze you. There's a
hazing element to it in probably

95% of dealerships around the
country. But these guys that

enter, well, they want to either
they're going to be there for a

job or see it as a career. The
guys for a job, they last for

maybe a couple months, and
that's probably the reason why

the managers treat them as such.
But the guys that do stand out,

and guys and girls, they go up
the ranks and then, well, hey,

when I get to that position, I
get to treat them the way I was

treated, instead of saying, You
know what, I'm gonna break the

cycle, yes, like

the fraternity, sorority thing.
I mean, like I, I was in FAMU

alpha or, okay, you know, it's a
professional music organization,

and you have to, when you're a
pledge, you have to do all these

crazy things, yeah, hazing, Oh,
totally got hazed. But

I think ultimately, with the
people who are vibing that your

experience that you had, not
naming names, yeah? That

happened to them.

So I'm saying, yeah, it's always
like they chose most of the new

kid on the session, right? You
know what? I mean, somebody's

always going to be the new kid.
We were the new kid, and we

proved our worth, and we kept
showing up, and then we became

the old kid. And now there's
going to be some new kid on the

session, and I'm going to go
right up to that kid and be

like, Hey, man, what's your
name? Where are you from? So

glad you're here. Let's have
some fun today. You know what I

mean? Yeah, no, totally.

Have you ever had to get really,
like, tough on somebody when

they're not pulling their
weight? Or,

Oh, when I was, like, teaching
drum lines and, you know, in

college, like, my last year of
college, well, I was, like, the

drum I was the drum line guy in
my high school, right? So I had

to, yeah, come on, guys, you're
late. You guys are dirty. Come

on. I told you didn't look and
then, and then in college, I did

the three years on the snare
drum, and in the last year, I

wrote all the book. But did you
Okay? And then I had got to wear

the university crest jacket, and
I just bossed everybody around.

So I had to show up and be like,
get in line, guys. All right,

let's cut it off. Whoa. You know
you gotta, it's you gotta be

tough, but you were

the leader that they would take
a bullet for. I don't know if

you wouldn't get killed in
friendly fire.

Who knows? Yeah, at that time, I
might have been a little bit

more of a jerk.

Don't make me get the hammer
out.

Smash some hands.

Hey, uh, Yamaha snare drums.
Yeah, Anton

Fig, you get to, you get to get
some of those. Like, if you'd be

like, Hey, can I get one of
those Anton Fig ones with the

wood hoops? Or can I get a Steve
gad commemorative blah, blah,

blah, blah, because you're,
well, they don't make them

anymore, though, because they're
not laying around somewhere. And

I wish I'd

known those who went away when
they went away. Otherwise I

would have gotten some of those.
You could

get that's a good snare drum,
that Anton fake snare drum with

the wood hoops, the Paul line

drums. I did get a Paul lime
five and a half,

the Akira Jimbo, the Steve
Jordan, the Bucha, the Roy

Haynes. You can find

all those drums, but you're
gonna pay money an arm and a leg

for Yeah, yeah.

They're just not laying around
at Yamaha, and you can just walk

around be like, Hey, you gonna
use that? No, I wish. What's

your go to? Are you a metal
snare guy or a wood snare guy?

Uh, metal for the most part too.
Yeah, got so many metal stairs,

yeah, because you can get wood
tones out of a metal snare Yeah.

I've got a my go to, like, I use
quite a bit. Is a six and a half

by 14 aluminum, yeah, my new
recording customer,

which is kind of like a
acrolite,

yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, I'm a brass over
copper, not a copper brass,

copper over brass, Chrome over
brass, Chrome over Yeah, what's

the black beauty?

The chrome over brass, yellow
over brass, but it's a DW, yeah?

Oh, it's their version, Yamaha.
Hey, you've been with

the children a long time too,
right? Yeah,

well, I've played them my whole
life, but I was with them. It

took a while to actually get on
the roster, yes, but I. Just

kept playing them. And it
finally happened, I was at a

basic and Sarah, at the time,
was the Artist Relations lady,

and she's like, well, let's just
make this official. Bam. And we

had a rise with Kelly, and we
had a show in Indy during that

time at Butler University, and
then when they're performing

arts center or whatever. And so
she came out to the show, and,

yeah, nice, really cool. Yeah,
those are good relationships,

man. Yeah. I don't wonder

what the true cost it is to make
a symbol. I've always wondered

that,

yeah, I got to go check out the
factory. Like, yeah. So cool

about Yeah, there

is it a lot smaller than you
realize. No,

it was like, I didn't, didn't
really know what to expect, but

it's pretty good size from

a business standpoint. It makes
you want to kind of wonder how

they began in the Middle East, I
guess in Turkey, because they

were, they're, what, 600 years
old.

Yeah, it's like one of the
oldest company, companies in us,

yeah, and,

but did they stand did they
start out making symbols? What

was their you know, I'm going to
start a business. Well, it's

gonna be, we're gonna make, you
know, flatware, and then all of

a sudden it's metal plates.
Well, hey, you know, I want to

use this metal

plate on this. It's interesting.
I'm sure there's some books

floating around. Yeah, I
probably should know more, some

coffee table books, yeah.

But it is great. And too, I
mean, and that's, they'll, if I

crack one, they'll, like, melt
it down and reuse the Yes, oh,

really, yeah,

that's nice. Interesting. It's

totally nice. Man, well, that's,
that's great stuff. Hey, let's

do the Fave Five. What's your
favorite

color? Man, uh, probably blue.

Wow. You've gotten so many blues
out of like the seven. The last

seven or eight guests have said
blue. Amazing. We

probably need to come up with
new questions. Okay, how about

this favorite food or dish?

Ooh, that's a tough one. I like
a bunch of different foods. You

mentioned burritos earlier. I'm
a big burrito fan. Yeah, me too.

Baja burrito, here is one of my
favorite places. You've been

there.

Baja burrito, oh yeah, right, in
Berryhill, yeah, oh god, yeah.

It's a stable. Yeah, it is,
yeah. It's been quite some time.

It's like

they got the trifecta of really
good restaurants in that little

area. They got salmon, Zoe's,
yeah, uh, Baja.

And it works out great for all
the session players in Barry

Hill. And they go there and

well, and then when the Johnny
Rab office was right there,

Calypso was there, yep, oh yeah,
Calypso

has been affordably feeding
somewhat healthy food to

musicians for 30 years. It's
pretty dang healthy, pretty dang

healthy. That chicken is really
it's really good, but I like the

island burger. I always go in
and like, I've never getting

Island burgers left and and
they're like, one left. I'm

like, what? And

it's the same people that have
been there, what makes it an

island burger? Meatless? It's

actually just a hamburger, but
it's, you know, they got the

island vibe in there, so they
just call it the island

burger. Oh, so it's just a
burger. Just a burger. It's

really lean meat, super lean.
It's

almost by it's almost bison ish,
yeah. And they put a nice big

hunk of a purple onion on there.
Okay, yep.

Lovely onion. If you guys are
coming to town in Nashville,

make sure you visit one of those
three places. You're not going

to be let down.

Yeah, we should do a roll call
one time and find out who's

really listening to the show.
Who are our listeners? Are you

hobbyists? Are you
professionals? How old are you

would you know? Comment below?
Yeah, we should do that. What's

your favorite drink of the
moment?

Going through a phase,

I'm a it's probably not the
healthiest drink. But like Diet

Mountain Dew is my go to

some vodka in there too. Is x
Tito Yes, Tito's and Diet

Mountain Dew? Yes, that looks
like glows in the dark. Awesome.

Yes,

oh, I like that, but now I'm
thirsty. That's good.

This is really tough. Jim,
favorite song or favorite song

of the moment?

Ooh. How about

song? A song,

it'd be, it could be because is
the track is from your favorite

drummer, or it could be on your
movie favorite movie score,

um, probably something off of a
sting, 10 summoners. Tail. Oh,

okay, that's one of my favorite
records.

Inked.

Yeah, yeah, nice. But

as far as current, though, uh,
actually, the students at

Lipscomb, are you familiar with
the band? Lawrence, no, check

them out. It's a brother, sister
duo. It's a horn band. Lawrence,

yeah, they're awesome, yeah, but
yeah, um, their new record,

their uh, song called hip
replacement. It's an homage to,

what is it? Oh,

wow, yeah. You check them out.
So it's, so it's in this kind of

like, you could you hear

their their song, you'll think,
what is hip? And that's, yeah,

does

it have the kind of like figures
like that, huh? Nice? Oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Check them out
there. And I've seen them live a

few times. They're amazing live.
They're not local. Here are they

out of New York? City, oh yeah,
NYC. But they put up on their

website. They put up their stems
to their songs. What? Yeah. So

you can go solo up the drum
part, you can mute it, play

along to it. Oh, wow. And
there's like little yellow dots,

and you can clip, click on them.
And tells you this was a

combination of program and live
drums. This is what we use to

get this bass sound

like, pop up. Video, it is. It's

super cool. Wow. Check them out.

That's a very interesting thing
to put out there into the world.

It is.

But they, they kind of created
their that platform. Yeah, they

came up with it, wow. Kind of
like,

what's that app?

Moises. Moises, that's an
amazing I use that for teaching

all the time.

Yeah, I bet because you could
solve things up, add clicks.

Slow

it down. Speed it up. I mean,
transpose nuts. It's amazing.

That's

really nuts. How about your
favorite movie?

The wrong Missy of the of the
moment? Yeah,

I would say My Cousin Vinny, oh
my god, yeah, you blend,

you blend, yeah, you blend.

It was so great. So

it was actually on just not too
long ago, and I watched part of

it, and it's still, it still

holds up. Man, yeah, it really
does. She is so cute. She was

great in that movie.

She won an award for that too,
yeah?

Like when she's when she says,
because this and this and this,

yeah,

great. That's great. Joe Pesci,

totally great. Hey, Jim, Don't
you usually have a question? I'm

gonna switch it up. Oh, and it's
kind of in line with what we've

been talking about with Rick
Allen and your experience. I'll

just, I'm going to put it out
there. What body part would you

not mind losing?

Wow, I did not sanction this. I

want my arms and legs for sure.
I want my ears. I like to be

able to see too,

like you got to go maybe teeth
or something, right? If you had

to lose

this one tooth, I could just one
tooth, yeah, yeah. Back,

back molar, or something like
maybe a

toe or something or maybe a
pinky. Would that throw off your

balance if you're missing a toe?
Depends on what

toe, yeah, I think you need all
of them, but

I think a pinky would be with a
small toe, yeah, maybe a nipple,

nipple. We don't, we don't need
them. I mean, I got three. So

okay, you too.

I say tooth,

that's great. Buddy like it?
Yeah, coming up with new stuff.

Here's, here's another good one.
All right, what would you name

your boat if you had one? Oh,
nice. I a

good question. I don't know.

Usually boat names have a they
got to be punny. Dad joke,

exactly. Punny thing. Like,
yeah,

like Dexter, slice of life.

Actually, that's, I just started
getting into Dexter. I'm really

so good. I'm late to the game on
that one, but

that's okay. It's you're gonna
you're in for a good time. The

knot.

Naughty hooker, yeah, not,

that's a good naughty hooker,
not now, like,

yeah? Like, it's a fishing boat.
Naughty hooker, yeah,

I made That's what she said. I'm
a big office fan. You

watch the office, that's what
she said. Yeah.

Big takeaway, yeah, T shirts
everywhere. World's best boss.

Yeah, yeah. What's the most
uncomfortable in that, in that

series, in your opinion? What's
the most? Like, you want to

watch it, but you're like, oh,
this.

Michael's an idiot.

He's he's brilliant. He is
brilliant. Yeah, so the dinner

party episode, right at first, I
was like, that's how I was, but

now I love it. It's, it's so
it's very uncomfortable, but

it's,

you know, when they put that
out, NBC didn't want to, like,

they had such second thoughts
about putting it out because the

spousal abuse aspect of it was
so tactile that they just did

not want to, like they were
really worried about it, yeah,

but it was one of their biggest
episodes,

yeah. And I think it was right
around where the writers strike,

too, if I'm not mistaken, right,
whether I think it just they

filmed it, maybe right after
they came back or something,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was, I want to say, season
four, yeah, yeah, season four.

But that was the other for me.
It's Scott Stotz.

Oh yeah, that, yeah, that. It's

so I don't know if I've seen
every episode obvious, like it's

on in a hotel room or something.
I'll check it out. But it's not

like, I can say, like, King of
Queens. I have seen every

episode 1015, times friends.
Every episode 20 times easy.

Yeah, I'm like that with the
office. Yeah, that's,

it's like visiting old friends.
It is, right, and it's still

fun. Me, it doesn't get old.
They they cast it. It's like the

Marvel franchise that was, you
know, the Infinity saga,

perfectly cast. They had a
really good culture on set, and

you could tell, yeah, you know,
yeah. And just

watching the behind the scenes,
like the deleted scenes, they're

all laughing, and they still

hang out with each other, yeah,

yeah, that's great. I think it
was just film somewhere in some

little soundstage in North
Hollywood, and they tried their

best to, like, hide the palm
trees, right? You know? Well,

it's when they do the roof
shots, and it's supposed to be

in Scranton. Yeah, you see the
mountains in the background.

And, yeah, Scranton is
mountainous. I have

been to Scranton, yeah, so my
favorite

Pennsylvanians, Greg, I am so
happy that you are here with us,

and you are making a massive
difference. And I'm so happy for

you, and I'm super proud of you,
man, I appreciate

that. It's an honor to be a part
of the show. And

oh man, I hope you had a good
time. I did. Yeah,

do you listen to it? I do.
You're the one. Well, I think

Isn't

there one other one? We need to
do a roll call. We definitely

need to do a roll call and find
out who really our listeners

are. Yeah, crazy. Oh, it's
great. I like it, but it's more

of like a a talk show than a

inside the actor studio kind of,
yeah.

I like, that's conversational.

It is. Yeah, these were a bunch
of guys hanging out. We've tried

to

do that thing I always wanted. I
mean, the whole reason to do it

is just really to shine a light
on my friends. You know what I

mean? Because you guys are all
have so many great stories and,

well, you've had amazing guests
over the years too, which is

cool. What's your favorite one?
Well, you did

bill with a QE, yeah?

Bill Gibson, yeah, he was good.
Yeah, nice cat.

Yeah, 70 years old, taking drum
lessons. It's amazing. Yeah,

right. Just goes to show you
enjoying his walks to the

mailbox to collect his royalty
checks. Yeah,

I did get to see them live. One
time I drove to Tunica. They're

playing, and this is before,
because they don't play anymore

because of but I drove there and
then drove back that night, and

I got to meet through the friend
of mine got to meet Bill and

Huey and just say thanks, you
know, for, you know, the

inspiration growing up and even,

like, Hey, we're fellow Yamaha
artists, you know, right? I got

see him at the skirmor horn,
which was very nice, because

lakes are so great. Oh, yeah,
were they playing with the with

the horns and everything? Did
they play just with their horns?

Okay, yeah. How long ago was
that?

That was, um, probably, like,
2017 because I remember

you took, like, a picture with
Bill in the back staircase, or

you had met him, yeah, yeah,

crazy, right? Yeah. Was a power.
Power played a lot, yeah,

records saving lifetimes. Yeah.

Like, apparently he

they were ready to disband, or
they were just trying to find

another gig, or, and he, he
appreciated their work so much

that he added them to his band,
I think at some point, yeah,

it's great, great, great

body of work. It is, yeah, and
that was the first record you

were intrigued by, sports, Small
World Sports. Yeah. Greg Lowman,

two G's on Greg, G, R, E, G, G,
l, O, H man. Greg loman.com, and

you're on the Insta for the
kids, yeah,

Instagram and Facebook, yeah,
yeah. I don't do a whole lot of

posting, which I probably should
do more. But yeah, you know,

yeah,

reach out. I get tired of it,
you know, first thing in the

morning, get that coffee. I know
I gotta knock it out. Yeah, it's

always something. It's crazy.
Jim, do you have fun, bud? Yeah,

just one. I like your new
questions. I

love it. Just pull them out of
my keys. I love

it. Hey to all the listeners. We
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Really appreciate it. Thanks.

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