The Rich Redmond Show

Rick coming to you from crash
studios in Music City, USA,

Nashville. This is the rich
Redmond show.

What's up? Rock and roll. Yep,
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watch is correct. It's time for
another exciting episode of the

rich Redmond show where we talk
about all things music,

motivation and success. We love
these things. These are things

that drive us, inspire us. I
interview a lot of singers.

There's some comedians, but hey,
this is a drum show. I love

talking to my drum brethren and
sister in it's a fraternity.

It's a sorority. We love it. We
lift each other up. This is very

exciting day, because this young
drummer has just been taking the

world by storm, hailing from
Mount Washington, Kentucky,

since 2021 has been the touring
drummer with the award winning

country rap Kingpin, Jelly Roll.
I'm talking about our friend

Cody ash. What's up? Cody

yo mines, dude, it is so good,
so so good to be here, man, I, I

could not be more grateful and
blessed to to be asked to come

on the show. Man, you, you have,
you've been, uh, you know, you

know a lot of lot of drummers.
I'm sure you know it, but like,

you know you, you're an
influence to a lot of drummers

and and myself included. And you
know, I've, yeah, this is, this

is awesome, and I'm glad that
we've created our own

friendship. But like, this is,
I'm not the, I'm not the guy

that's going to play cool bro.
Like, I'm, I'm, I'm very, very,

very grateful. Yeah, you,
you're, you're, you're a legacy

drummer. Man, you're, you're,
your name will live in infamy of

of drummers, and it's just, it's
very cool to be here with you.

Man, I'm honored to consider you
a friend. So this is awesome,

likewise, man, and
congratulations on all your

success, brother.

Thank you. Man, it's, it's,
it's, it's been awesome. It's a

blessing, man. It's been a, you
know, it's, it's been a grind

for years and years and years
and a lot of tears and busting

and kissing. And, you know,
whatever we're doing it, you

know what I'm talking about,
though, and you know, so many

times there's this, you're in a
room and you just gotta be

quiet, even though you don't
want to be and you gotta be nice

to people that you don't want to
be nice to sometimes. And it's a

lot of, there's some kicking you
gotta do to get to it, you know.

But

well, you know what you're, you
know, you're just a likable guy.

I remember last year we will.
There's a story, I think,

because we met each other at the
red door, the infamous red door

where I have mixed business and
pleasure for many, many years. A

couple of years back, and you
were nice enough to introduce

yourself. You're like, I'm
playing with this cat named

Jelly Roll. I'm like, Oh my God,
that's so cool. And then couple

years later, this guy is, like,
one of the biggest things on the

planet. So incredible. But when,
yeah, last year at the CMT

awards, I was playing this house
band, and we got to, like, you

know, kick it a little bit. And
we were on the same Southwest

flight, almost of the entire
music industry on this flight

back to Nashville. I hope this
plane doesn't go down, right,

yeah, uh, Billy give or was it
Billy Gibbons, one of the ZZ Top

Yeah, yeah, one of the ZZ Top
guys was on, was on that flight

too. And, like, Hardy and, like,
you know, that was such an

awesome flight, dude. That was a
party.

You're up and down the aisles.
You're visiting with everyone.

You're high fiving people,
you're kissing people. You're

doing the thing I'm like, This
guy is gonna, like, he has

kicked the door open, and it's
probably going to stay open for

a very long time, because you
can play, man, I've seen you

play with Jelly Roll. And then
when I got to do a deep dive,

and I got to see some of your
drum covers and stuff you're

doing Nickelback stuff, you're
doing some some like you did the

little NAS song, little, you
know, and it's like, you're,

you've got some serious modern
day, I hate to say gospel chops,

but I mean, you have some
serious like hand foot

combinations, plus you're in a
bunch of metal bands, so you got

the speed on the feet and stuff.
So really, really cool style. So

I'm like, but this guy's
personality, he's approachable,

he's larger than life, he's
friendly. Never forgets a name.

I mean, you are gonna be doing
just fine in this industry.

Thank

you, dude. That's, that's,
that's, that's crazy to hear you

say, Man, that's, that's
amazing. I couldn't ask for

anything more. And, like, I
mean, I feel like you really,

you know, you really nailed my
personality, because I'm, I'm

very, I'm a very big
personality, dude. Yes, I could

be loud, but I'm also, like, a
little something pretty like,

self aware of, like, when I'm if
I'm being too loud, and then I

gotta tame myself down. But,
yeah, man, I just, I love

meeting people, and I love
talking to people and like, I've

just never been like, even when
I would, like, fill in for bands

or like, anything like that. You
know, I've just always been even

like, I would fill in for.
Bands, and I wasn't even in

their band, but I was like,
Okay, how can I help these

people, like, get further? Okay,
I know I'm not in their band,

but how can I help promote them?
And I would, like, Go stand

outside at their shows and like,
like, I would play their set,

I'd be filling in, I'd play
their set, and then I'd go,

like, hustle their CDs, or like,
hustle their merch, or like, try

to meet people and be like, Oh
yeah, I'm not their permanent

drummer. But like, you got, you
need to listen to these guys

like they're incredible. You
want to buy a

CD, and they're like, You should
be, you should be their regular

job, dude. I'll

just be hustling for like,
anyone I could and like, but

also, I was through that, I was
able to make like, my own

friendships and like, you know,
create like relationships with

people that you know, even, even
if I, even if I don't see them

or like not able to talk to them
like, I hope that they still

took like, if they hear my name,
they still like, took a good

memory from like, even if it was
one interaction, you know, like,

because one one, it only takes
One interaction for someone to

like, decide whether they're
gonna like you or not. You know,

like, it's because, if that
first interaction is bad, the

odds of you ever being creating
a friendship or anything with

that person is is very unlikely.
But, yeah, I mean, I just, I try

to like, I'm not perfect. I've,
you know, I'm a I'm a sinner,

I'm I'm a, I'm a human, you
know, and so sometimes I have my

bad days. And I'm sure there's
people that I've, you know, come

in contact with accidentally,
that just caught me on it, not

the right day, and I maybe fuss
about something, but, you know,

I hope to, I hope, if I ever do
running those people, I can have

that conversation and correct
that wrong. But, you know, and

it's just, I just, I love
meeting, and I love talking to

people, and I love like, we all
just, do you, we just all have

so we just all have a different
story. And to, like, really, you

know, listen to someone, and to,
like, really understand you can,

you can, like, learn something
from just about anybody, you

know, I'm saying, like, even,
even you can apply that and you

can apply that lesson into just
everything that you do. Like,

there's so many drummers that I
feel don't realize that. Like,

even if you I feel like some
drummers really compare and

contrast, like, oh, I can do
that, or, like, I'm able to do

that, or this, you know, so and
so they, like, won't deep dive

into a drummer, because they
feel that they have nothing to

learn from them. But like, but
the thing is, is you can take

something away from any,
anybody. And like, not only, not

only drums, but like, just in
life in general, like, there's

a, you know, there's probably a
guy out here that I could go

learn a life lesson from that
has experienced something

different in life than I have.
Like, I learned, I learned

lessons from my girlfriend all
the time. Like she, you know,

she's lived a different life
than I have, and she's, you

know, even though she's a little
bit younger than me, like she's

experienced so many things that
I, like, have never come in

contact with and you know, so
there's just, I think there's

just, there's something that you
can learn from everyone. And

even, like I said, even with
drumming like you, even if you

feel that like you can play what
another person's playing, or

like whatever, like, we're all
so different and think

differently, like they may
approach a fill differently than

you do. And like, you can take
that and learn from it and roll

with it and create your own
thing. Like, there you can just

take something from everyone,
but, yeah, I love talking to

people. Man. I love, I love, I
love, I like, I like talking to

people a lot. Yeah, you're

definitely a people person. It
definitely shows and you're just

stealing stuff from people left
and right, and putting in your

bag of tricks. And I stole some
stuff from you today. Man. I was

watching some sort of a
interview for Zildjian or

something, and there was a
ticker on the bottom with the

transcription of all your fills.
And I was like, I was like, I

was I was okay, that's what he's
doing. Otherwise, I'd have to

really slow it down. But I'm a
good reader, so I read it. I was

like, oh my god, I'm going to
put that in my back pocket. So,

yo, I think, I think that was my
interview with Dan Kirby. Yes,

bro, I don't know if you guys
know each other, but I

definitely have to link y'all
man, he is awesome. He's He's a

dude from Australia. He plays
for, like, he plays with, like,

a lot of different people, and
he's just an awe. He like, does

stuff for Diligent Australia and
everything. And he's just an

awesome, awesome dude to talk
to, but he, he is actually the

one that transcribed all of that
and, like, put it on paper. And

because I've been wanting to do
that for a really long time, but

I don't know the forms to use
for that, so he did it. And I

was like, Yo, this is thick.
Yeah,

no. I mean, people are going to
be stealing from me. Now, it's

written out. It's for all time,
but I'm just talking to you. I

get the real a sense of just how
important music and drumming is

in your life, and just how hard
this has been, because I'm

looking back much like me. You
know, you're in the fifth grade

band, and then I believe correct
me if I'm wrong, but you did one

year in the marching band at.
University of Louisville, and

there was all sorts of bands.
You had your first, I think your

first concert was Molly crew,
and you got your first drum set

at 14, and then you're touring
the world with a metal band.

What was, what was that band?
What was that experience like?

Because you're saying it was a
grind, it was a hustle, I can

imagine, especially if it's a do
it yourself situation. You're in

bands, you're

like, it didn't even start,
like, it's Yeah. So I, like,

started in metal when I was,
like, coming into it, like, back

in like, 2009 I joined my first
metal core band. We didn't

really do anything, we, we, it
was just, like, bunch of friends

that just got together and,
like, whatever. Like my first

band ever was, was a hair metal
band called bullet when I was a

sophomore in high school, and we
all did the makeup and all that

good stuff, like tease the hair,
and it was a glam band.

It was a glam Yeah, it's

a glam band now. So my first
band ever was a glam band, and

we were not a cover band. We
played originals. We wrote

originals, like we just were 15
and didn't have money to go

record it, you know, and our
parents were, like, thought it

was just a phase, so they didn't
want to put money to go. And

obviously they didn't know
anything. None of our parents

were involved in music, so they
didn't know anything about

recording or how to go about it.
So we just never did. We just

played shows we won, like, a
battle of bands, whatever. And

then that fell apart, you know,
just high school kids grow apart

and become a senior, and I
joined this, this we me and my

friends make this heavy band,
and didn't really do anything.

But through that, I playing,
that's when I got introduced to

the local scene. That's when I
figured out that bands, like,

there was local bands I like,
didn't know that existed,

because I thought that any band
that played on stage was, like,

a really, was just a big deal.
And so like, you know, I'd go, I

started going to these local
shows, and I'd, you know, be in

a room with like, 100 150 kids,
and just seeing bands playing.

I'm like, Oh, this is so cool. I
wish I could do this. And yeah,

so through that, I ended up
joining this band. There's a

couple bands in between, but
then I joined this band, oh

kingdom, and they that was my
first band that I ever toured

with. We were, we were like a
metal core band, and I booked

all of our tours. And with the
help of, like the first tour, I

had help from someone else. But
beyond that, it was like I

booked all of our tours from
2011 to 2016 and we were in a 15

passenger van. And, you know, I
slept on the bottom bunk. And,

yeah, dude, but

you got some skills together
where you had to, you got to

plan a budget and when loading
is and what the mileage isn't

get all the routing, and make
sure you get somewhere to soap

and so

at that, I will say, Oh, crap,
I'm sorry. Um, at that time I

didn't know anything, yeah, no,
I have my, my, my, god, my

little, uh, it's a, it's a cap.
It's like a little diamond cap.

All right, okay, I, like,
accidentally hit it and it

popped out. But no, so we I
didn't really know anything

about that. I was just mad
young. I was like, I think I was

18 or 19, and not knowing a
single thing than what I did. I

just knew that I need to contact
venues and promoters and other

local bands in different cities.
And I didn't, I knew I wasn't

going to make money. I was like,
I just want to get on the road,

like, whatever. Let's just get
our name out there, because I

thought that's what we had to
do. So booked all these tours,

and, you know, did some fun
stuff. It was my funnest memory,

some of my funnest memories,
man, like, you know, we didn't

know we were doing. We were just
young and, like, we just would

save up money to go on tour and
then come back home and work and

then save up money and go

on debt, come back in debt, and
you're like, what am I gonna

Yeah, yeah.

And, well, you would just be
stoked if we, like, made, like,

sold, like, $100 in merch or
something, you know, say it was,

we were in a van, and we were
just, you know, we were just

doing it. The drives were
ridiculous, and it was crazy,

but it was so fun. Like, I
wouldn't take that back for

anything,

but you're managing now, right?
I mean, so you got some skill

sets. You're managing. I've
learned.

I've learned a lot more so, so,
so I'll tie into that through

the story. But so through Oh
kingdom, I started getting

noticed because we were touring,
and other bands were hitting me

up to fill in. So it's like, oh,
this is a perfect opportunity to

like, promote my band. And so we
I started touring with these

other bands, but was selling my
band CDs and their band CDs to

like, just try and like, get
everyone's name out there and

get my name out there in the
same time. And so through that,

I ended up doing my first like
national tour, where I went to

Canada and did full us with this
band called Siler, and I was

filling in for a band called
beyond the shore. So it was

beyond the shore, and Siler and
we did, like some northeast

states, and then we went to did
Canada be on the shore, and so

on and so. Forth. Well, through
that, I became friends with this

band called Siler, and over the
next three years, I was filling

in for other bands and still
touring without kingdom. And

then in 2016 I was filling in
for this band called

picturesque, and we were on the
way home from a US tour that we

just did, still in a van, still
still in the van. Um, this is

2016 still in the van, and get a
call from Siler, and they're

like, Yo, can you, what are you
doing next week? Can you come do

the show? And I was like, Yeah.
And they were like, What do you

want for pay? And I was like,
Hey, I don't know. I've never

been paid before, so I don't
know. Like, I don't know what to

ask. I was like, honestly, in my
in my head, I was like, this is

an opportunity to get to the
next level. So I was like, You

know what? Don't pay me. Just
cover my gas. I'll drive to New

York and we'll play this show.
So sure enough, got home,

learned the songs, drove to New
York, played the show, and then

drove back home, and then they
asked me to do it again. So I

went and did the same thing
again. And I was just like, I'm

going to show these I'm
dedicated, like I want them to

ask me to join. And then they
asked me to do a tour with them

in July of 2016 and then it was
that tour that they were like,

Hey, we're, we're going to add
you to the band, but as like a

permanent fill in. So I was a, I
was a part of, I joined silent

in 2016 as a permanent fill in,
became an official member in

2018 but we did, like, that's
when I got in promos and stuff,

or, you know, whatever you want
to call it, and so through that,

I did, like, a lot of my
extensive touring with them.

That's where I went to, like
Japan and Europe and Australia.

Puerto Rico did, like, multiple
us tours. But sadly, there was

just never, never any momentum
behind them. And then there was

like a up with with the label,
like, really, the label they

were on, really dropped the
ball. And it kind of just, you

know, the guys had been doing it
for a long time. So there was

just kind of like this weird
energy where it was like, you

know, they had been doing it for
like, eight or nine years, and

it was just kind of, I felt bad.
It was just a weird situation,

but I wasn't ready to stop. So I
was like, I'm going to do

whatever I can. And so then
covid hit, and obviously

Nashville wasn't really shutting
down, and Kentucky wasn't really

shutting down. So I was like,
this is my opportunity to like.

So I started going to Nashville
a whole lot because I picked up

this band called Devil's cut,
and we were the guy that we were

recording with in Columbus.
Ended up getting hired by jelly

to work out of his studio. And
so I was going down, me and

Devil's cut were going down to
write and record songs and doing

it like the Nashville way.
Because noone in metal is was

doing it the Nashville way at
that time. Like, no one in metal

was, like, going out and, like,
riding with dudes in Nashville.

And I was like, This is what
they need. Like, this is what we

need to do. No one's doing this.
Let's do this country rock

thing. Like, I'm going to help
you guys out. No one's doing

country rock like this was
before Hardy started putting

breakdowns in his songs. Uh,
Lakeview was just coming out

like they were, they were, they
were way ahead of it. They just

haven't got the love that they
deserve yet. But anyways, yeah,

so that that led me into
managing, but I picked them up,

and I was going to Nashville all
the time. And through that,

that's when I started going to
red door, which is when we met.

And because I was like, Hey,
that was told I was hanging out

with Jake summers from and then
I was, do you remember Kenny

Dixon before he passed? Yes, of
course. I was oh, yo, oh, my

god, Rich. I completely forgot
to tell you this, bro, I forgot

to tell you this. Kenny was my
introduction into country. Or

it's not, not into country. I
grew up in Kentucky, so I was

around country, but he, Kenny
Dixon, was the reason that he

was my first time ever going
backstage to a country show to

do like that networking. And so
it was on your all's tour, Kane

was direct support for you guys.
Yes, I

believe it was 2019

Yeah, it was, it was 2019, and
Kane was direct support for you.

Was, it was fall. It was a month
before he passed away. Yeah, um,

so unfortunate, so unfortunate
dude. It killed me when I got

that news, because me and him
had just created a friendship,

and it was it, dude, it killed
me to find that out. Like, but

he, he, like, I started, like,
networking with all these

different drummers that I didn't
know were in the country world,

but also knew who I was for
metal. So like, miles from Cody

Johnson, Kenny Jake summers, uh,
taco with Morgan. Like, yeah,

um, all those dudes were, like,
already following me, and I had

no idea, and I was like, Oh,
Like, I need to, like, talk to

these guys. Like, these guys
can, like, help me give advice

on what I need to do, sure,
because I was turning 2627 and I

really.

Makes sense to not go in a
circle, but to be like, you

know, CDE, you know, whatever it
is, so on and so forth. Like to

go just like this, but instead
of a going, because if you went

like this, your hands wouldn't
be able to, like, go in a

circle. But the fact that it's
staggered, it helps, like, with

the movement, which is like,
whole crazy thing to think

about, that someone was able to
come up with that concept. But,

dude, yeah, so so that going
there, I ended up meeting, like,

a lot of, like, college
percussion, people and stuff,

and kept in contact with until
my my freshman year of college.

Well, I ended up getting asked
to join the intercollegiate

steel band my freshman year. So
which is basically like the

University of Kentucky,
University of Louisville,

Eastern Kentucky, Western
Kentucky and I think Northern

Kentucky University all get
together and bring their steel

bands in. They, like, choose two
to three people out of each of

their percussion groups, and
they bring them into Eastern

Kentucky, because Eastern
Kentucky has, like, the steel

band, whatever, and we all just
do pieces and we put on a show.

But through that, I ended up
meeting all these juniors and

seniors at college that knew all
this and they took me into their

dorm, and I stayed with them and
that, and it was a whole

percussion. It was only
percussionists and only

drummers. And so they introduced
me to gospel chops dude, which

is where I got, in fact, which
is where my whole idea of

drumming changed, because at
that time, all I knew was metal.

And I was like, oh yeah. Like,
if it's not double bass or,

like, if it's not this, well,
it's, it's, it's whack. But then

I saw gospel drumming, and I my
whole world completely changed,

and my whole outlook on drumming
changed and and I just, I became

obsessed, like I started in
incorporating gospel chops into,

like, metal and then, like,
because of my country

background, I just already had
that and, like, but yeah, so So

I did, I did March. That's when
I got really introduced to,

like, a bunch of the different
rudiments and so on and so

forth. Because I was only really
taught basically, like, the

basic, basic rudiments at high
school. And that's no, that's

nothing against, like the band
teachers or anything. It's just,

there's no funding for music at
that school there. There wasn't,

there wasn't. But now, I

mean, your hands, dude, I'm just
saying, like, there's not a lot

of metal guys, a lot of lot of
metal guys will focus on their

feet, you know, China, halftime,
you know what I mean. And their

hands are okay, but you, you
have, like, an extreme control

over your accent and your
unexpected your unexpe notes

are. That's what everyone should
strive for. Is very, very close

to the head. So there's that
rolling motion, there's that

percolation. Very good, very
good hands, man, you know, open

strokes, it's great.

That means a world that you
notice that because the amount

of time, and honestly, I need to
get back on it, because I feel

like I've I'm going to say
something very real to you right

now. I feel like I've fallen
we've been so busy that I

haven't got to like, you'll,
you'll, you'll probably

understand what I'm about to
say. We've been so busy that I

haven't got to just be with
myself and my drum kit. And I

can't tell you how long I
haven't been able to, like, sit

down and learn new things, and I
like, and like, just be with my

drums in in so long, and I feel
like it's kind of like held me

back, almost to a sense where I
would sit for hours could and

the reason, sorry, I'm bringing
this up because what you just

said means a lot, because I used
to sit for hours and work on

stick heights. I would sit and
be like, I would go off of a

scale of 369, 1215, so it'd be
like, you know, three would be

like your lowest of lowest ghost
zones. And I'd do like, I don't

know, a minute of it, and then
I'd go to six and do a minute of

that. And I'd go to nine, and
then I go to 12, and then I go

to 15, and then I'd go, I'd go
to the right hand, or I'd go

back down, and then I go to the
right hand. And then I'd do them

together, and I would that one
exercise alone takes every bit

of like, 15 to 20 minutes. You
know, I'm saying, if you do each

one for a minute, yeah, and,
and, dude, I spent so much time

on that because I really, really
wanted to pride myself on ghost

notes. Because the metal
drummers that I looked up to at

the time, I still look up to, I
still think they're the most

incredible drummers ever, but
the that I looked up to, they

all had really good ghost notes.
And I was like, I want to be

like. Like, on that level. So I,
like, did everything that I

could to like, be to like, get
my notes like that, also like

marching band as well, because
we had to do stick heights for

marching band. But yeah, yeah, I
marched my freshman year at the

University of Louisville, and
then my band started touring.

And I went to my marching band
instructor, and she said, she

said, Good, bless her soul. She

usher them. It's also them. You
gotta choose.

Yep, she was, she was like,
yeah, if you miss a game, it's a

letter grade. And I was like,
Okay, I'm going on tour.

Awesome. But so, but yeah, man,
yeah, I, yeah. I did a lot of I

did quite a bit of schooling,
but I wish I could have got into

marching band sooner. But like I
said, my my high school was so

not oriented for anything with
music they like, just didn't

give a so I was like, I was
like, I wanted to play football

and March, but my coach was
literally like, No, you have to

choose. You can't, you can't
suit up for the game and then

not be in the locker room at
halftime, because you have to go

march and put on a show or
whatever. I was like, I could

just not do the show. Like, can
I just do the competition? He's

like, Well, what's the point of
being a marching band if you're

not going to do the halftime
shows, like, you want to play

football, or do you want to do
this? And I was like, Dude, I

want to play football. Like, you
know, saying, like, yeah, no,

but obviously, inevitably, we
see where, where I was meant to

end up, I hope. But I

always think about journeys and
decisions in life, because I was

thinking like, you know, I kind
of discovered I was never really

like an athlete as a young kid,
I discovered my inner athlete

later in life, because I was so
focused on the music thing. And

I was always, you know, in the
last decade, I got really

interested in acting. I was
like, what would have been cool

if I had actually done that in
high school and developed some

of those skills. But I was just
so, so hyper focused on music,

just like you, you've been
focusing on this thing for a

very long time. And usually when
you get this life changing

opportunity, a life changing
opportunity like playing with

jelly. It usually comes down to
relationships. Is that what

happened? How did you get the
job? Um,

so how I got the job with jelly
was, was literally, yeah, bring

it. Bringing it back to where I
found out that, you know, a

couple of these country drummers
were already following me. So I

reached out, and I was like,
Hey, let's get lunch and like,

because my whole thing, my whole
life, has been networking and

creating relationships, even,
even if nothing comes of the

relationship, like just having
that relationship and doing the

introduction in general, is so
so, so important, man. Like,

even like, so important. You
know, like, like, not that no

one is more important than any
other person. But like, like, no

one's above anybody. But, but
create. You know, when you meet

someone and networking and
creating those relationships is

like so vital to like, anything
that you do in life, you know

saying, because you never know
who someone knows, and you never

know like, what someone is
capable of doing like, you don't

know if like, they'd be willing
to help you, or so on and so

forth, but it's like, you don't
go into meeting these people

expecting that they're here to
help you. It's just to create

the friendship and to create the
relationship and like, that's

the most important part of it.
But, you know, when I saw that

these drummers who were playing
for artists that I was listening

to were following me, I just, I
just never thought, like, you

know, when I thought country, I
was just like, oh, they, you

know, they get hired in like,
you know, they're they

interchange like, they don't
ever have the same band. And

then I was like, Oh, wait no,
they do have the same band. They

just put the promotional focus
on the artist, yes, and, and I

was like, So that's what I
found, you know, found out all

these drummers. And so I like,
hit, you know, talk to Kenny

Dixon. And then, like, I hit
Jake summers up, and we happen

to be in LA at the same time,
and I went and met up with him,

and we got lunch in like, 2019,
and, and I was like, dude, like,

you know, not to like, be that
guy. I was like, but what I was

like, how did, how do I get into
this? Like, what do I do? And he

brought up a conversation that
he had with you, yeah. And he

was like, bro, when I met rich,
he was like, rich literally told

me he was like, the best
decision that you could ever

make in life was, is to move to
Nashville. Like, if you're

trying to make something happen,
so on and so forth, like you

have to move to Nashville. And
he was like, I think that he was

in because was it, I might get
stories picked up, but you used

to live in Ohio.

No, I'm from Connecticut, and
then grew up. Okay, maybe Texas,

but yeah, okay, maybe,

maybe if it was Jake Finn or
Jake,

yeah, Jake grew up in

Long Island. Okay, I got the
stories. I got my stories mixed

up then, but he told me. He told
me a story about how what you

told him something like Jason
moved to Nashville, or Jason was

like, there in. Basically told
you, like, Yo, you have to move

here, or we got to find someone
else. Or maybe that was like,

Jake summer story that Luke was
moving to Nashville, and, like,

he needed to move there, or he
was going to have to, like, find

someone else, or something he
was basically just was, like, I

said, I It's been years since he
told me the story, but I just

remember it, the the basis of it
being like, Hey, do you gotta be

here, man? You got we have our
job because we had to move to

Nashville. Like, if you want to
get there, you have to be there.

Like, if you want to be in it,
you have to immerse yourself.

And I never thought of it like
that, because my whole life, I

had always thought of like, if
I, if I want to be a part of

something. I have to immerse
myself in it. But I never

thought of like this, a city, as
a place that you had to immerse

yourself in. Like I thought of
like people in groups and like,

if I wanted to be in metal, I
had to listen to metal. I had to

know everything that was metal.
So that's what I thought I was

applying the country, but it I
was, I wasn't applying it

correctly, because being in
Nashville and going out to those

bars is so important. It for,
like, the networking and all

that stuff, you know, saying, so
it was like, I because so

talking to him and him being
like, Yo, you know, you gotta

move to Nashville, you know. And
you know, he told me your story

that, or, you know what you had
talked to him about, and then

he, you know, was telling me his
story, and, like, what he talks

me about. And he was like,
basically, at the end of the

day, he was like, Yeah, you just
gotta move there, you know,

like, it's just what it comes
down to, really, I

mean, when I met you, I
immediately followed you, you

know what? I mean, it's like, I
looked, I immediately looked you

up and followed you, you know,
and and then we reconnected. A

couple years later, you had done
the thing. You had changed your

life, man, this, this amazing
life changing opportunity came

along,

but getting but, but getting
into the jelly camp. It was

literally just like, like I
said, that studio that the

producer worked out of that
Devil's cut was in. He worked

out. He got hired to work out a
jelly studio for jelly. And it

was just like a weird instance
of like fate, like colliding,

because it was like I had known
that producer Since 2015 and

then all of a sudden, and he
only did metal and rock. And

then all of a sudden, he comes
to Nashville one time, and meets

jelly, and jelly says, I'll move
you down, work out of my studio.

And so he starts working out of
a studio, and they and then it

just so happens, a band that I
manage, he's their producer. So

we're, we just go to Jelly
studio all the time. And through

that, I met like his, you know,
his, some of his management and

his security, and some of his
friends, and, you know, so I

became friends with all them,
not meaning to just creating

relationships like I just, I,
you know, because, like I said,

I didn't know who jelly was. I
just knew that he did music and

through that when, when it was
time for him to need a drummer.

And whoever showed up, his
drummer showed up and didn't

really, you know, cut, you know
where you know he wasn't cutting

it for what was needing to be
done, yeah, you know, for what

he was about to do. Because I
had like, met all those people

on accident over the past year,
just by happenstance. They all

had, like, followed me and seen
my drum videos, and they're

like, Yo, you gotta call. You
gotta call him. Like, and so

after about 10 people being
like, Hey, call Cody. Call Cody.

Was like, Alright, get this kid
down. Like, shut up. Just get

this kid down here, you know,
from what I from what I heard,

but yeah,

because you have some killer,
well, highly produced, very well

shot cover videos where you
where you play tunes, and, you

know, blow over them a little
bit. You showcase your your

chops and your ability, and that
those,

I like to have fun with those
things. Those are all colleges

for my entertainment and like my
fun. And I, you know, I, I'm,

I'm happy and blessed if like
anyone like that people see them

and like love like, like it, you
know, say like that means more

to me than anything, because,
like, there's no reason I should

be taking a Daniel Bradbury song
and doing just chopping over it,

like, it's just so fun, man, but
I think that's what it should be

about. I think it should just be
like, you ain't having fun with

it. Man, like, why are we here?
You know? Like, why? Yeah, so

that's a calling card. Man, it's

a calling card. That thing
exists, and people are like,

Well, what does it look like?
What does it he look like? What

does he sound like? How does he
play? Boom, there you go.

Yeah, yeah, dude, those, those
videos, changed everything.

Like, so much for me to be
honest. Like, my channel is not

big, you know, saying, I think I
only have, you know, well, I

mean, okay, to some people, this
might be a big number, but, you

know, compared to, like, the
goal that I'm shooting for, you

know, compared to other people,
you know, I only have, like,

10,000 subscribers, but, you
know, I'm very grateful to even

have 10,000 subscribers. You
know, we're always shooting to,

you know, be better and grow and
so on and so forth. But, you

know, I don't have the biggest
channel in the world, but you

know, the people that do
subscribe to me, like. Watch my

videos like it means so much,
and it just do, just because

it's just fun, man, it's, it's
so cool. So it's awesome like

that, anybody can, can gain
inspiration from it, or anything

like that, you know, because
it's just me in the studio with

my buddies just having a good
time. Yeah, that, you know,

that's all I want to do, man. I
just want to have fun and make

people smile. And if I can, if I
can influence, or, you know, or

do something that, that
someone's like, Oh, that's cool,

you know, what is that? Like?
That's, that's all I could ever

ask for. You know,

now you're doing that, man. So
you so jelly gets you down. You

get come to Asheville.

And, um, he says, So, well, no
no. So he, Jelly had his people

call and, dude, this story, this
is the craziest part of the

story. I'm sorry. I love doing
these things, man. I'm sorry if

I'm annoying, dude. I can talk
all day.

No, it's great. No, I just think
it's great to learn how you the

thing came about. So it was
relationships. And, yeah, so

it was obviously relationships.
And finally, these people were

all coming to jelly and telling
him, and he was like, alright,

we'll give him a call. So it's a
Wednesday night. I'll never

forget this dude at this time, I
was bartending to Wednesday

night. I got off early. I don't
know where I was mentally, but I

decided to get hammered. So I
got hammered. And it's 3am and

I'm sitting at this bar, um,
speaking, I bet you'd

be a great bartender. But I was
thinking, like, I've never had

that job, but you gotta have a
personality, you know you gotta.

I love bartending, dude. It was
so fun.

I bet you cleaned up, bro,
cleaned up.

I also, like, didn't give a when
I was bartending. Bro, like,

bartending taught me so much
about respect and taught me how

disgusting some people in this
world are to be. To be

completely honest with you, sure
i What do you know? What do you

mean? What

do you mean by that? The
respect, like the Oh, dude,

just like, you know, just the
when I came in contact with so

many people that when I would,
you know, I was bartending, they

wouldn't treat me like a person.
They would treat me like I was

serving them. And I was like,
and granted, yes, I am serving

you drinks, but I am not below
you. You know I'm saying, like,

you don't know what the I do.
Like, I'm here for. I'm here

because I like doing this like,
and so just people would, like,

there were some people that
would just talk down to me, and

I would just be like, Yo Who are
you talking to? Like, you think

I'm not going to talk back to
you. You You think that because

I'm behind this bar, that I
can't come out from behind the

bar, like I'm right here buddy,
you know, or like I was not

scared. You can ask, bro. You
can ask any, anybody that

bartended with if someone had a
tab and didn't tip, I would, I

felt, I would feel so
disrespected that I would

literally take the check and put
it in their face, and I would be

like, hey, is there an issue?
Did I not were your drinks not

good? Because you were telling
me your drinks are, were good

all night? What's is there an
issue? Why? You know, you know,

this is how I make my I make $2
an hour. Yes, I chose this job.

But you know, I chose this
because I get to interact with

people. You're not going to run
up a $220 tab and leave me three

bucks. I was like, You're not
that cheat dog. Like, that's not

cool. Or I would be like, I'd be
like, hey, was your service not

good? Like, I felt we had a
really good repertoire. We were

nice. I would I've made your
drinks a little bit stronger.

Like, was this cool? Why are you
why are you stiffing me? Did

something wrong, you know? And

so what would they say? Well,
what would, you know, they

would just, they would be
stunned that I would even say

anything. Yeah, they'll be like,
I'd be like, what? Well, what's

good, what's going on, like, or
what's, you know, they would

literally just be so. And it
wasn't me trying to bully people

into giving a tip, it was me
trying to call disrespectful

people out in front of other
and, like, in front of their

friends, to let them know that,
hey, you're with a Or like, Yo,

you're like, your friend sucks.
You

know, nothing worse than a bad
tipper, bro, like, Dude, I

call, I call my friends out if
they tip bad. You know, saying

if I literally, and there's been
so many times I'm sorry I love

this conversation, bro, because
I'm so I'm so on it, dude. But

there's literally times that
I'll be sitting with friends, at

at a at a table, and we'll get
up to leave, and I'll look at

all their checks, and I'll see
what they left, and see if it

was like, you know, that's
probably, you know, not the

right thing, but like, I want to
make sure that, like, if someone

is serving us that, like, that's
an hour of their time to make

money, you know I'm saying, and
if, if we all run up a $50 tab,

and you guys Tip two bucks or
three bucks, like, Dude, come

on. Like, bro, we make enough
money to where we don't need to.

Like, don't disrespect someone
like, dude. I. Man,

like, we're here to ever, ever
tip less than 20% even,

absolutely, absolutely, I'll let
them know that they can improve.

If they suck, I'll be like, hey,
this was not good, but I know

that this is how you make a
living. So there you go, yeah,

and it's in the you know? And,
like I said, I'm not perfect,

man, there's sometimes that I
like, I'll have service. And I

have to be reminded that, like,
hey, you know what? This person

may just be having a bad day.
Yeah. And like, in my saint of a

freaking woman is there to
remind me of that sometimes,

because I get I get pretty
flustered, pretty easy, if,

like, I feel disrespected or
misunderstood and and so like,

she'll calm me down sometimes.
But I've never not, I've never

not tipped anyone. You know, I'm
saying like, I'll always put it

in the circumstance of, like the
table. There's been multiple

times where I've, like, covered
for other people. Like, if I saw

that their tip wasn't good
enough, I'll like, I'll go back

to my check, and if I tipped
like, 20, I'll change it to 40

or something, just to make sure,
like, the table is

mathematically, like, worth the
hour that that server just put

into it. Like, interesting. I'm
very, yeah, I'm very big on on

tipping, like, I hate the the
whole not tip culture, like,

it's so it's such a it's so, you
know it now, now, if we're in a

circumstance where, like, the
employees are making 15 to $20

an hour, and then they wanted
to, yeah, yeah. I'd be like,

alright, this, you know, this is
a little different. But like,

the servers that are making,
like, two bucks, bartenders that

are making two to five bucks,
like, no, come on, man, like,

it's that's just, it's a respect
thing. But, you know, I would

just call people out. And
sometimes they change it,

sometimes they get mad,
sometimes they try to get in my

face. And that would just never
work out. And, you know, just

like not that we would fight,
but you know, they just ended up

getting, you know, pushed out
because, you know, you're not

going to mess with me kind of
thing, but I'm not going to

fight any. I'm not going to lose
my job over you, but also, I

won't hit anyone unless I'm hit,
and then, yes, unless they

touch, like, you know, a family
member, like a girl, then or a

friend. I'll fight for a friend
before I'll fight for myself,

yeah, yeah, but I can relate,
but, yeah, man, so I'm sorry,

sorry.

Oh, so you're going, so you're
doing, so you're doing this on a

Wednesday night, yeah? So
Wednesday night, I

got off work 3am I'm hammered. I
get a call from the producer,

Bayless, and he's like, Hey, how
would he know the jelly roll

song? Because I was like, Uh, I
don't know. I went through him.

And he was like, Do you know him
or not? And I was like, Oh,

dude, it's rap, yeah, sure,
whatever. Like, and this,

because this was before, like he
was fully into country. And I

was like, Yeah, sure, whatever.
It's rap. I'll just, you know,

do, just learn the beat and I
can just play over it, whatever.

And he's like, Alright, cool.
And then put the phone down, and

I get another phone call from
the guitar player, from Siler,

because they were, happened to
be in Nashville, recording with

the same producer. They were
like, riding with that producer,

and he's like, Yo How well do
you know the jelly songs? And I

was like, dude, Bayless just
called me and told me this why.

I was like, what's going on? And
they were like. He was like, Do

you know him or not? And I was
like, Yeah, dude, what's up? And

he was like, Alright, you're
probably gonna need a phone

call. And on the then I was
like, okay, so I just they had

Bayless had been telling me that
he was trying to get me to drum

for jelly for like, the past
five months before that. So I

just didn't think any other,
like, whatever. It's another one

of those phone calls. And then
the next morning, I also worked

at a e cigarette shop, a vape
shop at the time. So I was

bartending at night and working
at the vape shops in the

afternoon. And so we it's 10 in
the morning. I just opened the

store. Customers are coming in.
I'm helping customers. I get a

call, a phone call from a 615,
number, and and it was, I was

like, Yo, I have to, like, take
this call, and I, like, pause

the customer. I was like, this
is really important. Like, life

changing, important. And so I
answered it, and they're like,

Hey, how fast can you be in
Nashville? And I was like, I'm

at work right now. When do you
need me behind? They were like,

we need you as soon as you could
be here. And they were like, how

fast can you be here? I was
like, I could be there by seven.

And they're like, perfect. So
then hung up, and I was like,

All right, so I checked the rest
of the customers out, and I

called my buddy, and I was like,
Hey, man, I gotta close the

store. Can you come cover for
me? Like, I gotta go to

Nashville. And he was like, What
the And I was like, yeah. Like,

this is a big favor. Please
help. And he was like, yeah. And

so I literally, I walk out, I
locked I closed the store up.

The owner. Ever sees, is he
going to kill me? Love that guy,

but lock the store up and I
leave and then pack my drums and

I drove to Nashville. My buddy
ended up showing up to cover the

store but, but I left before he
got there, and I drove and

packed my drums up. Of the
Nashville got handed 18 Songs to

Learn on my two hour drive. And
this is the best part,

obviously, getting learn,
getting handed 18 songs to learn

in a couple hours is it's
awesome. Yeah, it's impossible,

it's hard. Yeah, it's that's
stressful, as you know,

especially if, if you have to,
like, learn them to go rehearse

that night, and then you have to
play them two days later, like,

so I'm driving, I'm stressing. I
get near Nashville, I call them,

I'm like, Hey, where are we
rehearsing? Where's the spot?

And they're like, change of
plans. Jelly wants to go to

dinner. It's like, what? And
they're like, Yeah, Jelly wants

to go do like, a pre tour
dinner. And I was like, or like

a pre year of shows dinner,
whatever it was. And I was like,

Dude, I just got handed 18
songs, like, we need to

rehearse. And they're like,
Yeah, we're gonna go to dinner.

And I was like, alright, so I
show up, and I happen to sit

next to Jelly at the at the
dinner, and that this was, like,

our first time, like, kind of
really hanging out, yeah, and,

and I'm so, I'm like, you know,
just kind of like tapping and

like shaking. And he puts his
hand on my shoulder, and he

goes, You look nervous, Bob. Oh,
he's like, are you okay? And I

was like, Hey, man. I was like,
listen, I really want this gig.

I just got handed 18 songs. I
don't want to lose this gig.

Really need to rehearse, but
we're at this dinner, and he was

like, You need to loosen up a
little bit. And he's like, Can

we get a round of shots of
tequila? And he when the waiter

brought in the tequila, he goes
every time you drop these off.

He was like, go ahead and put in
another order. So it was he'd

drop them off, and then 10
minutes later, there'd be

another round of tequila. Oh my,
10 minutes later, there'd be

another round. We end up getting
hammered once again. And then at

3am they're like, rehearsals at
nine in the morning next day.

And I was like, What the I'm
like, I'm not gonna make this

somehow. I made it. No one else
made it. No one else was there

at 9am it was just me. So I set
up, and I was like, alright,

well, I guess I can go through
these songs. I set up and I was

going through the songs.
Everybody showed up around 11,

so we practiced. The first time
we all met and practiced. We

practiced from 11am to 4pm and
then we had to load the trailer

up and drove that night to go
play a show for the first show

we all played together was for
7000 people, and we only had

like, five hours rehearsals on
18 songs that we might play. So

how did it go? It was sick.

It went, I mean, it went about
as good as it could for that,

those circumstances, you know,
like, I mean, we showed up and

we just had to, like our the
guitar player was the only one

that had been with not Jack, but
the other guitar player, Casey.

He was only one that had been
with jelly for like, years and

years, so he knew all the songs.
And so we basically just had to,

like, cue off him for that hour
set. And it was, it was crazy,

but dude, it was, like, nerve
wracking and unsettling, but it

was so fun, dude. And yeah, I
guess, like, that

was kind of your audition. Your
audition was a live gig, and the

hang more importantly than any
Yeah,

thank you for saying that, dude,
yes, 100% Kelly was

like, get this guy here and have
him sit next to me and let's see

what his liver is like. Let's
loosen this guy up. But he had

faith that you could play the
drops, but, yeah, that would

have freaked me out, because I'm
such a over prepare. I'd be

like, I gotta write, I gotta
write out 18 charts. I gotta

have the tempo I gotta. But you
were just like, we're doing

this, and we'll get through it.

And this was, you know, and this
was before I really learned a

system that worked for me as far
as charting, um, because I had

never had to chart before, you
know, saying, like, when, with

the metal songs, I would just, I
would get, like, a week heads up

and it, and I could, I can
learn, uh, you know, eight metal

songs in a week. Like, that's
not, that's cake, you know,

saying, like, I can do four or
five songs a day like that, you

know, and then just perfect them
throughout the week, um, with,

as far as, like, metal songs,
but with, with country and,

like, doing covers and stuff
like that. I never knew how

people learn things so fast. And
that's when going to Nashville

is when I found out about the
number system. And so I started

doing all this research on the
number system, and it still just

wasn't like, I was like, I get
this for guitar players. I get

this for like, other you know,
whatever. I was like, but I

don't know how this correlates
to drumming, and it just what

wasn't like sitting in my head,
right? And so I was like, I have

to figure out a system to where
I can learn songs fast that

works for me, right? And so I
ended up, like, coming up with

with my own system in it, and
it, I've got it. I've pretty

much got it. Down now to where I
can listen to a song five times

and be able to go play it
essentially, but with the way

that I like write it out.

So you write like, like intro
eight bars versus seven bars.

The stop on the first, the
eighth measure, that kind of

stuff, yeah.

So in my Yeah, in my notes
section, I'll do, I have this,

like a, a pre written out thing
that says Like. It says, like,

Intro v1 free, one c1, post, v2
pre, 2c, two post, bridge. So

like, breakdown thing of like,
what a normal song would be. And

then I'll listen to the song,
and I'll write out every measure

of everything. So it's like,
intro, four bars, first 116,

bars. Chorus, eight bars. Post,
two bars. First two, eight bars,

you know, so whatever. And then,
and then I'll go back and listen

again, and I'll listen for like
stops. So I'll be like, or I'll

listen to like, what like, if
the whole song is on the snare

drum, or like, if it does like
rim clicks, and then snare drum,

and then goes back like, I'll
notate like, rim clicks, snare

here, bring snare in, back to
rim clicks, so on and so forth.

And then I'll notate like, and
then I'll go through for the

third listen, and I'll notate
stops. It'll be like, stop on

the three of measure four, you
know, PA or huge choke on two of

whatever. And so you write, you
write

it out in the English language,
but not musical notation,

yeah, yeah. And it's like, you
know, obviously, like, a

shortened, shortened English
language to where I can, like,

just go through, like, if I have
to, like, like, no joke, Dude,

we got handed a similar
situation two days, three days

ago, before we played Billy
Bob's last night, we got handed

20 songs that we might play,
like, because, because they were

talking about how artists might
show up to come do like, a

karaoke thing. And they're like,
You need to learn. Here's all

the artists that might show up,
learn these hit songs, and then

if any other artists show up
that we're not prepared for,

learn these 15 cover songs, or
these 12 cover songs, like, you

know, like a Garth Brooks song
and, like, can't you see? And

like that, like, just normal bar
songs. Learn all of these, just

in case we don't know their
song. Or, like an artist shows

up that we don't know we didn't
rehearse for, or something. And

so

this is Billy Bob's, like, hey,
stop by. Or, you know, like,

yeah, yeah.

So it was like, all these, these
we got, got told that all these

people might stop by. So we went
and looked at like, what their

biggest songs were, that we
could go whatever, and we like,

I had to. I notated 20 songs out
in this one tab that we might

play and but that was like, did
they show two of them did nice.

So Lady, lady Wilson showed up
and we got to play her song.

Smells like smell like smoke,
which is, oh god,

she's so great. She's so real
and genuine and sincere and

talented. Yes,

dude, she bro. We, we locked, we
locked eyes while we were

playing. And she's like, so
intense on stage that it was

like everything made sense as to
not not only like, is she just

an incredible woman in general,
but like, the way that she works

and moves and like interacts on
stage, just completely checks

off everything as to why she is
what she is, dude and that,

like, in that aspect, and, like,
also her personality and her,

like, just her as a human,
really, like, it just explains,

like, why she is such a an
entity in this world bro, like

she's Yes, she's awesome, and
she's been nothing but car. We

got our hair done together one
time by accident. Okay, we, we

because I dyed my I dyed my hair
blonde, and I went to, oddly

enough, do you know? You know?
Do you know who actually McBride

is? Who's it? Ashley McBride?

Oh, of course, yeah,

yeah. So Ashley McBride, her
stylist does has worked at a

salon in Nashville, and that's
who I go to to do my hair. Well,

I was sitting in the chair
getting my my hair dyed, and the

girl that's in the booth next to
her, her name's Cassie, does

laney's hair. Yeah, and, and so
Laney walks in and me and Lainey

had already known each other
just because we had, like, done

so much stuff together and and I
was like, What the is he was

like, What are you doing here?
And I was like, Yo, I'm getting

my hair done. My

locks died. Man,

literally just sat there and got
our hair done together. It was

like, that was like, a really
funny, like, fun. Moment for

her. And I think that was, like,
that moment, like, established

mine and her, like, friendship,
which was, like, super cool.

I saw some, uh, some short
haired pictures of you, maybe,

like, in a video, like, four
years ago. I'm like, Oh yeah, I

usually clean cut buddy. So when
did you decide to, like, grow

like, uh, you know, do the
mullet man?

Um, yeah, dude, I used to be
clean cut and skinny and

handsome and all kinds of stuff,
dude, it's crazy. Yeah, then I

just then I discovered I really
love pizza.

Who doesn't? It's the perfect
food. Even the Red Baron is

good, man. Come on, yeah,

um, yeah, I man, I actually had
a mullet my whole um, all

growing up. Yeah, there's, um,
photos of me in elementary

school all the way up until
probably about, like fourth

grade, that I had a mullet,
like, for a really long time.

And then obviously, you know, my
parents were like, I think we

need to cut this. And so I cut,
you know, got my wallet cut and

rocked rock short hair for a
while. And then when I got in my

hair in eighth grade, eighth
grade through junior year, I

had, like the long, swoopy emo
cut hair. Oh, no, actually,

sorry, no, in the into college,
damn I I had long hair in my

hole. I did cut it once in high
school for football. It was a,

it was a hazing thing for
freshmen. I forgot about that.

We were at football camp and
they made all the freshmen cut

their hair into Mohawks. That
did happen for good. I

had the Dave weckle 1990 mullet,
bro, the VO five mullet, you

know? Yeah,

yeah. Um, let's go, dude, yes.
So I actually had long hair,

besides that one time that I cut
it that I had to cut it for, for

football, I had long hair my
whole life. I actually had to

stop playing baseball because I
refused to cut my hair any

shorter than what the coach
wanted. That was crazy, and he

made me quit, basically, but,
but, but then, yeah, so I got

into, like, my junior year of
college, and that was when I got

into my junior college, and
that's when I cut my hair short.

So I had short hair for a while.
Then I got it, like, cleaned up

when I got in silent because I
was, like, trying to, trying to

find out, like, who I was, or,
like, what my image like, what I

wanted my brand to be, or my
image, or whatever. And, and

then, yeah, so then when
probably around, I think it was

covid Actually, because all the
barbershops shut down. And I was

like, dude, if I'm going to grow
my hair. I was really into,

like, the whole satirical
movement of, like the pit viper

thing, like the pit viper
glasses, and, like, America and

all that stuff. And I was like,
dude. I was like, You know what,

I haven't seen in a long time, I
haven't seen a mullet. I was

like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna grow
a mullet.

You're like me and Morgan
Wallen, come on,

dude. Yeah. And it was, well,
you know, just happened to be

that time that he was getting
known for his as well. Yeah, um,

still haven't met that dude. Um,
gotta, I gotta meet that guy.

But I'm sure it'll happen. Yeah,
if we've been in, I can do,

we've been in the same room so
many times. And just, I've, you

know, I just, I'm never that guy
that wants to, like, press,

someone like that, you know,
saying I don't want to, because

they got that. They get that all
the time. So I'm just like, No,

it's hard for me to even do it
to Jason too. Like, bro. I it

took me. It took me a long time,
because there was a lot of times

that me and Jason were in the
same room that I was like, Man,

I just, I don't want to bother
him, bro. I was like, He's just

so many people are talking to
him, and I just don't want to be

I don't want that memory. I
don't want to be part of that

memory. I want, like, I want to
be like, oh yeah. Like, I met

jelly drummer, and we had a good
time. And so I got that chance

at at Jelly CMA after party at
last year at Miranda's bar on

Broadway. And Jason and Brittany
showed up nice and, and I got

to, because they lived down in
where they live. And and I got

to, I also used to live in that
town. And when I'm when I first

moved to Tennessee, and, and I
saw that they did something for

Christmas in that town at the
gas station that I used to like

fill up at. And so I got the
opportunity to tell them I

really just wanted that was my
introduction to them. And

meeting them for the first time
was I went, I went up to and I

was like, hey guys. I was like,
I played dress for jelly. I just

wanted to say what I thought
what you guys did for Christmas

was really, really cool. I was
like, I thought, I thought that

was so nice and so genuine. And
so I got that. That was my

introduction to Jason and
Brittany was getting to, like,

thank them for what they did,
for that, that community,

because they they didn't have to
take the time out of their day

to do that. And I thought that
was so nice. And so. Kind and so

that that was cool to like, that
was cool that that was my first

interaction with them. And yeah,
the last, last time I ran into

Jason, not long ago, I forgot
where we were, but I don't know

if it was the iHeart awards or
where we were, but I

decided side stage at the

CMT awards. Yeah, yeah. CMT
awards. And I ran into him,

wait, no, the iHeart Country
Awards, or was

it the iHeart country festival
that we were just at in Austin?

You guys, yes, that's what I'm
thinking about.

That's what I'm thinking about.
Yeah, you guys, we were walking

off and you guys and jelly and
jelly, and Jason were all, like,

in the circle, whatever, like
talking, and I was walking by,

and I, like, tapped Jason's
shoulder, and he turned around.

He goes, Oh, yeah, what's up?
And I was like, obviously, like,

new way cooler. He's like, Oh,
tell me how you doing. But I was

just like. I was like, dang. I
was like, That's cool, man.

Like, yeah, you know, to, I like
to, I could be wrong, but I like

to think that that interaction
last year, you know, maybe he's

he, he remembers me from, oh
yeah, you know, saying, like,

totally Yeah, man, little,
little things like that. But

yeah, it just, I haven't had
that situation with Morgan yet

to where, where we've been in a
room where he's not, where he's

not getting hounded, and I'm
just like, I'm not going to, I

don't want to bother. Well,
that's the

thing, man, that's what the kind
of things like, you know,

working in a vape shop or
bartending and just living your

life teaches you how to read a
room. You know, that's so, so

important to this career. So you
get the job, and what is, you

know, what is it like to what is
your relationship? Does he have

certain things that he expects
from you? What is he like from a

drummer? It seems like the band,
it looks like there's six guys

on stage. It seems like you guys
have a great rapport, I

think, man, dude, we are just so
we're just so different. We're

just such a weird group, man,
like we, our whole band is from

Warped Tour, just about, well
it, it was, it was until we've

grown like but everyone before
we added like new members, it

was just a bunch of metal dudes
on stage, like Casey the guitar

player, there was a metal dude,
Jack, the other guitar player

was in a band called Sleeping
with Sirens. Alex, our bass

player was in a band called
conditions, and he also played

with Sleeping with Sirens. I was
in a band called Siler. I was a,

yeah, I was in Siler. And then
our guy that was running our in

ears at the time, Mark, he was
in a band called a mirror, and,

like, all these just like heavy
bands, and so we just end in our

front of house, and tour
manager, he he did like, he did

like Good Charlotte. And he did
this being called, he did a

Paramore. He did this band
called 68 like he done like a,

you know, saying, like, we're
all just like metal dudes, and I

don't, man, I don't think I
chilly. Just doesn't have, like,

an expectation. Yeah, you know,
does that make sense? I don't

know how to explain it. He like,
it's not that he it's not that

he doesn't care. He cares very
deeply. It's that he like, he

just wants everyone to have fun.
Like, if, obviously, we can't go

up there and just royally up but
like, he wants, he just wants us

to be having fun up there.

That's, that's the culture of
the band, is this, yeah, and

having fun

Exactly. And he wants, like, I'd
say the biggest thing is that we

have to read him sometimes,
because he'll call audibles like

that. He calls audibles all the
time. Every show there's an

audible like no joke, every show
is an audible. I

bet the lighting and video guys
hate that. Oh, they despise it.

They hate it a lot, yeah. But
he, yeah, he calls, calls

audibles on things. So like, I
think the only thing that he

it's unspoken, but I think he
expects us to be on our toes,

but it's like, unspoken, if that
makes sense, like he's not come

to us and be like, You guys need
to be on your toes and be

prepared for what I call out.
Like he's not that. He's not

that kind of guy. He's like,

just, he's the you need to
loosen up guy here. Tequila

coming. But, yeah, the only
reason I ask is, is, uh, the

only reason I ask is because,
you know, some artists have

these kind of, like,
idiosyncrasies, where it's like,

you know, Cyndi Lauper never
liked the drummer to play the

ride cymbal. Or there, you know,
other people are like, Hey, you

gotta pull the bass drum beater
out of the just weird things,

uh, his, uh, his only, I guess
his thing is, is if you are not

sober, or if you're drinking at
that time, you can't refuse a

shock.

So even if you're taking

afraid, no, not, not that you
can't, not that you can't,

sorry, i. He, he doesn't like,
if, yeah, if you're now, he

won't do it to someone that's
sober. He will never, he will

never make someone that's sober
drink. And he will never, if

someone is not drinking, like,
if someone's taking a break, he

won't pressure anyone into doing
it. He might mess around with

you a little bit, but like, he'd
be like, Oh, but he's not, like,

he won't press it on you. But,
like, if I'm, like, drinking,

you know, like, if I'm like,
this right now, and he walked in

with a shot, and I was like,
Nah, man, I'm good. He he'd

probably be like, No, you're
gonna take the shot. You know,

like, saying he'd, uh, like, I
wouldn't get fired, or anything

like that's,

that's kind of a fun collection.
Let

me okay, let me see, okay, hold
on. I got a I got a story that

might help clear this up. My
Okay, so there was one time. One

time is the only time it's ever
happened. I partied a little bit

too hard and I accidentally
overslept. Soundcheck and jelly

never goes to soundcheck ever.
So that day he did, that day he

did, and so I overslept. Didn't
mean to he was on stage, which

never happens. And we were I was
like, Oh no, no, no. And someone

had to come wake me up, and
someone come, got came and got

me. And I was like, oh And they
were like, Yo jelly on stage for

sound check. We gotta. I was
like, Oh no. So I ran out, and I

go on stage, and jelly is like,
No, you can. He's like, just

stand over there. He's like, You
go behind the drum tech table.

He was like, and he looked at my
drum tech, Casey, and he was

like, Casey, come play drums.
And I was like, and, and Casey

was like, Nah, I can't play
drums. And jelly was like,

Casey, get behind the drum set.
Now, like, Get behind the drum

set. And Casey was like,
laughing about it, thinking that

he was like, Yeah, making a
joke, because Casey, like, can't

really play drums, but jelly was
dead serious. Jelly was like,

No, you like, Cody over slept.
Go play Dr, I don't care if you

can't play drums. Go play drums.
And Casey, my drum tech, was

just laughing it off, and, like,
walked away and handed me the

drumsticks. Jelly has never let
that go ever since it's been

probably a year now, and he's
never let it go, ever that you

overslept. No, no, no, no, no,
not me. He doesn't care that I

overslept. He doesn't care that
I was like he what? He's mad.

He's mad at my drum tech. He
didn't play drums when he told

him to wow. So now, every time
he sees my drum tech, he's like,

I've been waiting for he's like,
I've been trying to find ways to

get you fired. And it like,
messes with them, like that.

That's amazing. Like there was
they all play Xbox and stuff

together. They all play Call of
Duty. So Jack, our guitar player

and jelly, were playing Call of
Duty one time, and Casey got

into the chat, or whatever,
however that works, and was

playing with them. Well, his
screen name didn't have his

name, and jelly goes, who is
this guy that's playing with us?

Jack knew, though, but jelly was
like, Who's this guy playing

He's crushing like, go out. We
need to play with this guy more

often. We need to get him on our
team and and Jack goes, or he

goes, where are you from?
Instead of screening, I don't

know what screening, he's like,
where are you from? And he goes,

California. And he's like, Oh,
what do you do for work? Like,

what do you do for a living? And
Jack starts laughing. And Joey's

like, Jack, why are you
laughing? And in case, he goes,

this is your least favorite
person in the world. And he

goes, what? And he goes, this is
your drum tech. And he goes, Oh,

what the hell. Get me the out of
here. But like, being funny,

because obviously, if he wanted
to fire someone, he'd fire

someone. But, uh, he just do. He
just like, he never lets him

live it down. Like, he'll write
like, mean little messages on

his like, and put it on his drum
case. He's keeping the

he's keeping the gag going. So,
oh, he, he can, he can set up,

break down, maintain tune, but
he doesn't play.

He doesn't play. Gotcha, he can
keep a beat, but he doesn't

play. Did you

hire him, or was he in the
organization already? No, he,

he was one of my options. So he,
like he came from so Jack, when

he was in Sleeping with Sirens,
met Casey, my my drum tech.

Casey used to drum tech for a
band called pierce the veil. And

then through that, he did
another band called The Amity

Affliction. And then from there,
he toured with Panic at the

Disco for, like, 10 years. He
was a panic at the Disco's drum

tech and and then, you know,
obviously panic disbanded, and

you. Uh, so he was looking for
work, and this was about the

time that they were looking to
hire a drum tech for me, and

which was my first one ever. So
I didn't have anyone, because I

knew of other ones, like from
the metal world. So like, you

know, I didn't want to, I didn't
know. I just didn't know how it

worked. And no one came to me
and was like, Hey, who do you

want as a drum tag? Basically,
what happened was I got brought

him and another guy, and then I
brought someone to the table

that I was interested in. And I
guess they just went with their

they, like, looked at rates. And
I'm just going to be real, Casey

was the only one we could
afford, and because he was

willing to come down from his
Panic at the Disco rate, nice

and, and I don't know the rates,
this is just what, you know.

This is what I was told. They
were just like, hey, like, this

guy's friends with everyone he's
he's friends with people that

are in the camp already. Like,
we know him. We've worked with

him. He's a great drum tech.
Because I didn't know him. I

hadn't met him yet. He's either,
like, he's a great drum tech,

great friend, great hang like,
and he's in our budget, like,

let's hire him. And I was like,
Alright, cool. And ended up

being one of the best decisions
ever. And like, they were, they

were right, like, I I love that
guy. Dude, I

love it. I love it when it works
out like that. What's one of

your favorite songs to play in
the show?

Um, right now, dude, our medley
is a lot of fun. Um, need a

favor. Is probably my favorite
jelly song to play. And then,

um, there's a song called the
lost. I really like playing that

one, too. And then, son of a
sinner need a favor the lost.

And son of a sinner, probably my
favorite son of a sinner, gets

that. I get to have a lot of fun
with dynamics. And that's like,

that's that, that's, that's
like, a selfish one, that one's

just for me. I that's

when the audience is singing
every word, and it's coming back

at you. It's Goosebumps.
Goosebumps Central, you know, I

like, Do you know who? Do you
know who Grady is? He played

with Ernest for a little while.
Oh.

Grady Saxon,

not, not, not. Grady Saxman,
great. Grady. Grady block. Grady

Brock, yeah,

yes. Grady block was the son of
Billy block, who was a staple of

our community. Had this western
beach show. It was like an

Americana show. So we lost some
years ago. I'm assuming that

would be the that's who Grady
Yeah,

I had no idea. Oh, that's crazy.
Oh, yeah. So, well, so Grady

block used to play with Ernest.
All right, played drums for

Ernest and bro, no joke, Dude,
I'm so sad that he's not playing

with her. He's because Grady
also is the thong writer too. So

he, I think he backed off of
touring to to get because he

writes. He's a writer at big
loud. So he, I think he took, he

backed off from touring with
earnest, so he could, like,

focus on just writing. Yeah,
but, dude, I have never seen a

drummer feel sorry, feel an
accent music and be a part of a

song the way that that man did,
that dude, that dude spoke with

his drums. I mean, he when he
played drums, he talked, he

like, oh, my gosh,

dude, this is great. This is
great to hear because I had kind

of lost touch a little bit with
Grady, and when his dad was

going through, you know, his
health issues, and he said, Will

you please keep an eye on my
sons? And I was like, of course,

and they're both doing
incredibly both Crusher. That's

great to hear, man. I gotta, I
gotta look, I gotta look up old

Grady and Rico, oh,

dude. Well, he, he had a major
influence on me with how, like,

he's the reason that son of a
sinner is one of my favorite

songs to play, because the way
that I was playing it before was

more in tune to the record. And
then I saw him play it live with

Ernest. Because, you know, a lot
of the the writers will, you

know, the songs that they wrote,
they'll play them live. I saw

him play son of a sinner, live
with Ernest, and I was

dumbfounded at how much better.
He made that song, and I, dude,

I was like, I just took notes. I
was just like, Okay. And he, one

of the things that he did, that
I just never thought to do, was

he started with brushes, or,
like, the wood sticks, because

it would like the whole. First
part of the song is, like, a

little bit. It's like, subtle.
It's lower, you know, where the

whole thing is just a build,
essentially. So he's, like, just

really feeling out, like, with
guitars, like, with these

brushes and like, like, the
dynamic and accent, like, he

like, come up and come down to
like, make parts like, make more

sense to be bigger. And then
there comes to drop chorus,

where everyone drops off, and
it's, it's just, you know, Jelly

singing. And he, or, you know,
well, he was, Ernest was

performing it, but so Ernest was
singing, and he put the sticks,

he put those down, and picked up
drumsticks, right, and made the

end of the song huge. And I was
like, Dude, I would have never,

ever thought in my lifetime to
do that. Would have never

thought I was playing with
drumsticks the whole time, but

the change in dynamic and how it
like, made the song, bro, I

could talk about his drumming
all day. Bro, he's one of my

favorite drummers. That is

so great because he's right here
in Nashville, and I've known

him, and I just got pulled
apart, I guess, covid and the

whole thing, it's been years.

He's a great, hey, he's a, he's
an amazing, amazing hang too. I

like, I have so much love and
respect for that. Shout out to

Brady.

Man, shout out to shout out to
Grady. He might be maybe like

this point. Man, maybe like 28
or something. Man, at some

point, who knows

that's incredible. Yeah, so need
a favor, son of a sinner in the

loss or my my tops,

killer, man, well, hey, I don't
want to, I got to be respectful

of your time, because you're in
Dallas, Texas. You got the ACM

hanging over

your shoulder. You're fine, man,
I'm dude. I'm here. I'm

chilling. Well,

I gotta enter, I gotta interview
Dennis Holt in 30 minutes, and I

gotta render the episode and all
that stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Let's do this. Man, let's do
this. Yeah, I want to ask you

the your Fave Five. And
sometimes it's the Fast Five,

but it's not usually fast.
What's your favorite color? Man,

favorite color.

Favorite color is purple.

All right, you would get along
with my students. Sarah car

deal, everything she has is
purple. Purple clothes, purple

drums. It is good. I like
purple. It's

crazy. It's crazy because my
favorite color is purple, but I

don't the only piece of purple.
I own two pieces of purple

clothing. One is right here. One
is the purple on this

Diamondbacks jersey. All right.
Man, okay, black shirt, purple.

And then the other one is, uh, I
got this, like, fishing, this

Columbia purple fishing shirt.
But like, I actually look god

awful in purple. I don't look
good in purple at all. But,

like, I love the color purple.
But, yeah, so that's, that's,

what about food? Am I saying
pizza is your favorite food?

Yeah,

pizza? Well, yeah, we'll put it
at that. Pizza and Wings are my,

definitely, my top favorite
foods, dude. I love it. Um.

What about um? Your favorite
drink? Favorite drink?

Oof, um. I, I love a nice,
crisp, cold water. But if not

water, I if we're going with
soda, it's cheer wine and then

Dr Pepper, if we're going and
then next to that would be

definitely some, some homemade
mama sweet tea.

Okay?

She makes it to where it's like,
it's like, because I like, half

and half tea, and she made the
way that she makes it. It's

like, not overly sweet, but it's
like, sweet enough to where I

don't feel like I'm about to,
like, have a, you know, a blood,

something, you know, like, it's
like that perfect mix of like,

it's, it's still sweet tea, but
it's like, it's just sweet

enough to where it's not
overbearing. It's like, yeah,

it's like, perfect mix.

Occasionally, I'll do the the
Arnold Palmer. I'll treat myself

to that very refreshing but,
yeah, if I'm gonna have water,

cold water. Oh,

love cold water, dude. I'm a
big, big, big fan old water. And

if we're going alcohol, Kentucky
bourbon, baby, and beer,

Kentucky

bourbon. So we're talking like
Makers Mark, yeah, yeah,

honestly, dude, honestly, just
any Burr. I'm not like a bourbon

stickler. I just, I love bourbon
snob. No no. Whether it's like

freaking makers. Or it could be
Kentucky, gentlemen, it could be

makers. It can be happy. It can
be anything. I don't give a

Bourbons. Bourbon, to me. I
mean, obviously summer aged

differently and go down a little
bit smoother, but like it all

puts you in the same place.

I'm with you on that. Now, this
is kind of hard, but maybe this

is something that comes on the
radio. You're listening to it

all the way through, it just
keeps rearing its ugly head, the

melody, the artist. You don't
know what it is, but you just

love this is your favorite song.
Man, favorite song.

Um, either, right now, it's

tough one, man, maybe I'm going.
To change my questions.

No, I I can't. I'd say it's,
I'll start it off by saying it

changes all the time, if I need
to go of all of all time. Of all

time, probably same old
situation, or um, sticky sweet

by Motley Crue. Oh, of all time,
those will, those will probably

be it. But currently, dude, I, I
have been of like, I can't stop

hearing um, ocean eyes by Billy
Eilish. I can't I like it lives

in my head

daily. Now there's a daily, it's
like an earwig, yeah, and

whiskey bit. But while does you
whiskey bit? I'll say that by

Cody Johnson, are probably my,
my other two

well, like Cody Johnson, man, I
got to work with me. Nice fella.

That was

my favorite country artist of
all time, and it, it just so

happens that that we know each
other. Yeah,

it's a very nice guy like
yourself. I told him to

his face. I was like, Hey, man,
listen, I'm I know we're

acquaintances, and we know each
other and stuff, but I'm just

going to give you this is my one
fan moment. I was like, You're

my favorite country artist of
all time, and I have a lot of

respect for you, and I love what
you do, and I love your music. I

was like, That's it. That's
done. You got it. You heard it,

and now we're back to just being
we're just friends now.

Absolutely

appreciated that.

Oh yeah, he started dying
laughing. He's, uh, he's a

really good dude. I mean, you
know, he's a great dude.

Very nice, very nice guy. What's
your favorite movie? Brother?

Favorite movie? Yeah, ooh, rock
star, oh. Rock star, rocks. Rock

star with Mark Wahlberg and
Moana, Moana. Moana has one of

my favorite movie soundtracks of
all time. Oh, unreal. So does

you know frozen has a great,
great movie soundtrack as well.

Yeah, I love both of those
movies. Those are, those are

probably my top two movies.
Yeah,

I like those Disney Pixar movies
where there's a lesson to be

learned, and, you know, you're
being entertained. And I'm

a huge Disney fan, yo. They got,
they got a lot of heaters. Um,

that, bro, that new, that new
movie. They, they just popped

out elemental, not the second
one, but I haven't seen the

second one yet. But that that
elemental one, was crazy. I

like, I cried, dude, that movie
was so good. Are you

a sci fi guy like Star Wars?
Planet games? No,

I couldn't get into it. I tried
so hard to get into Star Wars,

and it just like never, just
never clicked with me. Never

caught. I tried. I tried. I can
say that I tried. I watched. My

dad took me to see it when I was
young, and I did. I thought I

was just too young to understand
it, but I liked that. I liked

watching them. What I liked
about it was watching them fight

in the the little jets, or the
whatever they were in. Yeah, I

guess that it was when Obi Wan
was, like a young was young, and

he had his little like his bowl
cut, his blonde bowl cut.

I mean, you're not, you're not
even, you're not even old enough

to know the original Star Wars,
because that came out like 76

bro. So

So then my second one, when I
was in Oak kingdom, when we were

recording, and they found out
that I had never seen Star Wars,

or that I had like that I'd only
seen that one movie. And they

were like, Oh, we're going to
watch it from the beginning. And

so they turned the first one on,
and I ended up falling asleep.

Oh, my God. They didn't know
because I was on the floor and

and so the movie was over, and I
woke up, and they're like, yes,

what'd you think? And I was
like, dude. I was like, bro, I

fell asleep. Man. I was like,
this. I was like, I couldn't, I

couldn't get into it.
Incredible, incredible. I really

like, what's, what's that?
Inception, Inception. And I like

movies like that too.

Those are thinkers, man, those
Christians that make you

like, think Shutter Island was
like, pretty sick. I love, I

love, oh, oh my gosh, oh my
gosh,

sorry I've, I completely forgot
to mention this one, um, the

baseball movie with Dennis
Quaid.

Oh yeah, the

that's Field of Dreams. No, no,
no, no, not Field of Dreams. It

was based in Texas. Why am I
blanking on that?

Yeah, it's alright. Do we have
to? We forgot to

take our ginkgo Bella today.
That's, that's my, that's my

third favorite movie. Yeah,

we went to the field, field,
rookie, the rookie, the rookie,

okay, yeah, yeah, man, the
rookie, Dude, I gotta, I gotta

tell you what, man, that you've
done a great job also on your

socials, because it's pretty
much your the same handle, or

pretty much across everything,
whether it's YouTube, Tiktok,

Instagram, Facebook, Cody. Ash
drums, great job, dude.

Thank you. Thank you. It's

really, it's tough when
someone's like, Yeah, I'm Cody.

Underscore ash drums 18. Like,
oh God, you know what I mean.

I got, I didn't know, obviously,
like, so I made all, I think I

made an Instagram in 2013 Yeah,
and I want to say I made a

Twitter in like 2012 and I
didn't know, like, I just didn't

know what to do. But I was just
like, I guess I want everyone to

know that I'm a drummer, and
I've got really lucky that that

name was, like, available, and
Rachel, I was lucky that the

name was available on like,
Tiktok stuff too. So Well, dude,

I gotta say we could probably
talk three, four hours. We're

just crazy surface pub. I'm
hoping that people were

entertained. How could he not be
entertained by you? And I hope

that they check out your
drumming. I hope that you guys

and jelly your success. This
Meteor access just continues to

rise. Man. I'm so happy for you,
proud of you, and hope to see

out there enjoy the ACMs in
Dallas. Man, absolutely.

Man, it's gonna be a blast. I
can't wait. I can't wait. Dude,

thanks for joining us. Man,
Rich, thank you so much for

having me on. Dude, I can't wait
for a round two.

Yeah, let's do it. We'll do it
in the flesh and have a cocktail

together. Man, Oh,

perfect. Dude, I'm there. I'm
in. You already know.

We'll make it happen. What
borough are you living in? In

Nashville? What? What
neighborhood? Where are you?

I moved out to Gallatin. Okay,
all right, yeah, yeah. I live

out in Gallatin. I just moved
there probably a month ago, and

we do. We've been so busy that
all my boxes are still not

unpacked. Like, yeah,

bro, dude, it's really it's an
incredible time for you right

now. And so just, yeah, enjoy
it, and maybe occasionally

journal and write some of this
stuff down. So

yeah, I need to, I think I was
talking. I think was it you that

I was talking to about that?
But, um, someone, we talked, I

talked about journaling was, I

mean, I wish I had, you know, I
wish I had in the early days.

But anyways, big picture, I
remember the big pillar moments,

man. So I'm really happy for
you, man, and appreciate you

joining us,

man, dude, thank you for having
me. Man, this is awesome. Heck,

yeah. And to

all the listeners, hey, we
appreciate you guys tuning in.

Be sure to subscribe, share,
rate and review helps people

find the show, and we'll see you
next time. Thanks, Cody,

absolutely.

I'll see you later, Brother, be
safe. Thanks, brother.

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