The Rich Redmond Show

Unknown: Coming to you from
crash studios in Music City,

USA, Nashville. This is the rich
Redmond show.

What's up, folks? Yep, it's that
time. It's time for another

exciting episode of the rich
Redmond show. Hey, we're in the

holiday season here in
Nashville. Man, the leaves are

falling. It's like a Van
Morrison song. My favorite time

in Nashville. It's super crisp.
The weather is great. Jim

McCarthy, Jim McCarthy,
voiceovers.com, Jim, what is up?

Oh, you know, it's been a minute
as my co host, my co producer,

my sidekick, yes, sidekick. But
listen, man, we got something to

celebrate. We got over 200
episodes. We do, and I know that

there's some other drum podcasts
out there. They've got 600

episodes. They got 1000
episodes. But hey, this is a

commitment. We did this, man,
right? That's right. Well, we

started with two a week five
years ago. We couldn't keep up

that pace, but now we're at
about one a week, right? And I'm

just proud of us, man, and
thanks for all your time and

talent. And

you know, we live in different
proximities now, so it's going

to be easier. Oh, it's so much
easier.

Why? Because I am a spring
hillian, like, there's just been

this trend to migrate

south. You're no longer a brand
yachan brandia,

yeah, I was on the poor side of
Brentwood, but all right, it was

so convenient. And now I'm a
spring hillian. I'm a one mile

away from everything. Isn't that
crazy, including an awesome

cigar bar where I run into my
friend, our guest today, hailing

from Ventura, California,
calling Nashville home for 28

years, for 17 years. Now, that's
a good gig, great gig, if you

can keep it. And he has the
award winning country rock

recording artist trace Atkins.
We're talking about our friend

John spittle. What's up,
partner? Good to be here. But

you know what? We were on tour
together, on the CMT Tour, where

trace was a headliner. Jason was
an opener of an opener, because

the middle slot was Billy
Currington, right? Think this

was like 2008 right? And that's
where we were every night we got

to share the stage together.
Some time has passed, but man,

look at this celebrated career.
You've also worked with people

like Paul Brandt, Sarah Evans,
Chris Cagle, Aaron Tippin, Tammy

Cochran, Kelly, coffee. Matt
King, I mean, this is like

taking me back, because we both
moved to Nashville around the

same time, 97 for me, 96 for
you, right? Why would you ever

leave Ventura, California? Oh,
and

it worked out, but worked out
what?

What made me move to Nashville
was my brother's a bass player.

He moved here a year before I
did. And do I know your

basement? Bring

that microphone a little closer
to here, if you could bring that

microphone a little bit. Okay.
Oh, yeah, get on that. Is that

better? Yeah,

it's nice. So my brother moved
here a year before, and he kept

calling me, saying, man, you
gotta move to Nashville. And I'm

like, yeah, go to Asheville. You
know, I had my stuff going in,

LA and all that. And so my ex
wife, I'm a car guy too. So I

had this cool little car, and I
just put a crazy price tag on it

and told my ex wife, if it sells
for that, we're going to

Nashville. Nice day later, it
sold for that guy never been

haggled the price, yeah. So I
handed her the cash. Said, Guess

we're going to Nashville. Book
the moving truck. Book the

moving truck, which is my dad,
because my dad used to have a

sound company, so he had a big
box van, and we loaded it up and

drove out to Nashville. Wow. So
your dad had a sound company,

but also he was a drummer. He
was a drummer first. That's what

he paid the bills with when I
was coming up.

Yeah, yeah. And you have a son
who's a drummer, an amazing, a

pro drummer. So three
generations of spittle working

spittle drummers. That's

it, yeah, man, amazing. What
spit what is that? I think it's

English, yeah, yeah. What's my
grandpa was English? My grandma

was Irish, the spot

of tea, yeah. Do you like tea or
more coffee? No. I mean, this

kind of thing, yeah. But you
have good teeth, you know? Yeah,

I worked once for a spittle. Oh,
really, in Las Vegas, yeah?

Gavin, spittle. He came from
Boston.

Well, I've never met anybody
with that last name that isn't

directly related to me. That's
crazy.

It must be a small pool of
people out of it, yeah, yeah.

And

since Facebook came out, you
know, people come out of the

woodwork, yeah, but I don't know
if I'm related to them, but

I don't mean I don't meet a lot
of redmonds. I know that there's

a there was Lane Redmond she
was, God, rest her soul. She was

like a hand drummer. And there's
some sort of meteorologist of

prominence and an air traffic
controller of prominence that

are Google able, right? So
these, I guess these are my

online brethren. What about
McCarthy's tons, tons of

McCarthy, tons of drunk
McCarthy, McCarthy, I get

mistaken for you. Do you know
Paul? Paul McCarthy or McCarthy?

Good funny on. Ever

that one I like. You got the
newsy cap on today. I'm kind of

like delivering newspapers. You
like it? I like the new look.

That's the news. Are you asking
me if I have a new shirt? He has

a way of it. Like, if I, if I
buy something, he'll go and he

doesn't like it. He goes, how's
that new? Yeah, oh

no. Awkward silence. Yeah.

There's some drum gear upstairs
that I like. It's good. Looks

good. Yeah, looks fairly

I've got, I've innovated, yeah,
I'm probably gonna set a trend.

He's

got an x hat with the pedal
right in front of him, kind of

like Donny win member with,
like, you know, so you don't

have to cross your arms. Robert
Palmer, and then you could high

stick a lot easier. Oh, totally.
You get the full stroke out of

the snare drum, the full stroke,
and it's the Hollywood muscles

up up here, yeah, rotator cup.
What is it? The rotator cuff.

Are you surgery free? Have you
evaded surgeries? No, surgeries.

That's nice. As far as drumming
related stuff, yes, I got the

mesh. I got the mesh down here
from Did you know lifting, bass,

drums and Hammond organs and
stuff over the years?

Yeah, yeah, no, I've been
fortunate. Shoulders, wrists,

yeah, all that stuff still good.
So what

do you do? Do you do something
on the daily physically? Or do

you do some stretching, or
before you play? Do you have any

kind of like routines?

I try and stay active. I'm
always trying to do something. I

don't have a warm up routine,
yeah, you know, I know guys like

yourself, you get the sticks in
your hands, yeah? Do all that.

But I'll stretch. I'll do the
rolling of my wrists, yeah, you

know, do this, the stretch back,
and that kind of stuff. That's

about it, yeah? And then I just
sit down and play

now, Ventura, California. I'm
being totally ADHD today. I'm

all over the place, but that's
what we do. Um,

were you surfer? I did. I surfed
when I was younger, yeah,

yeah. Now, is it like a riding a
bike, where if you were to get a

go do it, it would come back.

I don't know. Yeah, it's been so
long I haven't tried it, but I'm

sure probably would, but when I
fell, it probably hurt worse. Oh

God, the coral and all that
stuff, and then the sharks.

Well,

I never really didn't see any
sharks out there. That's dogs

chief. I

think a Russ Kunkel is a surfer,
and one time I talked to him,

and he said, man, they're always
there, and they'll always be

there. You can't, you can't
think about it absolutely. How

do you not think about it?
Sharks, snakes, scorpions and

spiders. Those are the four S's.
I don't like

any of them. Is that a thing?
The four S's, I just created it.

There we go. Out there,

the 4s and the line through it
on the shirt. So was your was

your dad classically trained? Or
was he self taught? Did he show

you how to play?

He was self taught. He taught
when he was I think he learned

when he was in his late teens,
and self taught and played

around Ventura area and in
different rock bands and country

bands, yeah, and and did that
for a lot of years. Taught me

when I was, like, four or five
years old, oh, wow, I blame him

for playing so hard, because
when I was a kid, I couldn't

quite reach the snare. And back
in those days, you know, they

didn't sell the little bitty kid
drum kits. You had to play the

real thing. So he would get me
as close as I could to the bass

drum and the snare would be up
here. So I'd hit it soft. And he

kept saying, hit it like you
mean it. Hit it like you mean

it. Who knows your money?

I always say that hit it like it
owes you money. Yeah, right. So

you know that just stuck with
me, yeah the whole time. And,

and,

yeah, but you have a clean,
strong backbeat. And I always

tell all my students, I mean,
learn all the styles you

possibly can, and it's great to
learn how to go sping, Spang, a

Lang because if we didn't have
spangling, we wouldn't have the

drum set, right? Drum set as a
result of of jazz. Um, but if

you got a mean backbeat, you can
play anywhere in the world for

the rest of your life. Oh, thank
you,

man. You know, yeah, yeah. I
think he my dad. I have to thank

my dad for that, because I went
through a period in high school

where I joined the band and, oh,
what are these rudiment things?

Yeah. And next thing you know,
you're wanting to play

everything you know over the top
of a song, yeah. And I remember

when he came out and saw me play
one time. He told me, he said I

was playing the troubadour. Oh,
yeah, Doug Weston's troubadour,

yeah. And I was like, I think I
was about 16, and I was throwing

up all over these songs. I mean,
everything I knew, throwing up

after the show. He was sitting
out there, and I came out and

said, What'd you think? He goes,
you wanna know the truth? Well,

yeah, suck. That's some tough
love. He said, you lost your

groove. Yeah, you lost your
groove, man. The two and four

went away. Your guys were
singing and you were. Playing

over the top of them, and yeah,
and he goes, I recommend you

kick snare hat. And when you get
that down again, then you could

add a Tom, then a symbol, when
you

say playing over him. Do you
mean like, just Neil peering,

filling over Oh,

yeah. Just, just, yeah,
diarrhea,

the drums, yeah. You got to go
through that phase. And the

earlier, the better. Yeah, yeah.

So I did. I sat back and, you
know, yeah, took his advice, and

he's never steered me wrong, you
know, yeah, he said, Hey, if you

can make that bass player
comfortable, that guitar player

comfortable, you'll work
amazing. I gotta be able to rest

on you. That's great advice. And
do we still have your dad? Yeah,

he's 80. Just turned

80. That's amazing. My dad's
gonna be 80 as well. Wow, in

June. That's crazy. He

was 80 in October, and smokes
two cigars a day and drinks

bourbon every day. Is that where
you got it from? The cigar?

Love, I think I introduced him
to it. Yeah, it's

and it's a thing that could run
away from you. We were just, we

were talking about, well, we ran
into another friend. This is

crazy. I There's a great
engineer in town. He's a, he's a

brew of yours as well, JR
McNeely. He's amazing. And he's

a fantastic he was a tre, like a
tracking engineer, like every

day in Nashville. And I worked
with him in 1999 doing a session

for Crystal talifero. And I
don't think I've seen him much

sense, but I walk into the cigar
bar, and he goes, Rich. And I

was like, Oh my god. So here we
are. I don't know how many 20

something years later we ran
into each other. Turns out,

yeah, we were talking about
George Burns. And the old joke

is like, Hey George, what does
your doctor think about you

smoking six cigars a day and
drinking all this bourbon and

chasing young women. He goes, I
don't know he's dead.

He was good that way. That's a
good

one. But then you walked into
the room and I'm like, Oh my

God, John, I haven't seen you in
forever, right? You

know what the funny thing is
about that place you walk in and

everybody's looking at you like,
where do I know you from? At

least, that's the impression I
get. You

know what it's it's the I feel
like I'm ashamed, the amount of

business and pleasure I mixed at
a place called the red door in

Nashville. And everybody who
knows bring up my name is

synonymous with, like, you need
a cheers. You need a place where

you walk in, they go, Hey,
Normie, right? So they got good

beer there too. What the best
dude, there too, best drinks in

town. So now this is, I'm in a
new chapter in my life where

this is going to be, are my
cheers, and it's great. It's got

a great let's, let's plug it.
Let's plug the place. Let's give

us the love. Yeah,

the mission cigar and social in
Spring Hill, Tennessee. Look at

that, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Great place. You can get the

Casa cubata cigar there, yeah?
Cigars there, yeah,

a lot. So are you, uh, speaking
of cigars, are you of the

opinion? There's so many
different types, brands, sizes,

cuts, experiment, try a
different one every time. Or do

you like to stick to something?
I

went through that phase, yeah,
but now I know what I like. So I

I like a Perdomo, yeah? 20th or
30th anniversary, I like the

Maduro wrapper. Yeah, I don't
smoke every day. I think

that we're similar, because
that's I been going towards the

prodomos, and they have those
nice pre packs, like four or

five different kinds. Yeah,

those are great. Yeah, it's a
great value. And, you know, I

don't smoke every day, I may
look like it if you you know, if

we talk about it, but I don't,
yeah, but

I'm trying to avoid that,
because my mom was like, Rich.

We're happy you have something
that's meditative and something

that can calm you freaking down,
but don't do it every day. I was

like, absolutely no, absolutely

do it every other day,

right? And the days you do it,
you do maybe two or three

instead makeup for the day.
Yeah,

heck, I used to smoke a pack and
a half a day of cigarettes. I

didn't know, Jim, I didn't know.
I never knew you smoked

cigarettes.

I was my teenage years. Oh, he
started when I was 1514,

years old. I could see you doing
it now in that hat on the street

corner. Hey kid, I tell

you you smell a good cigarette.
It brings you back and it makes

you like man. I wouldn't mind
having one right now, yeah? But

then you open up Pandora's Box,
yeah? But, you know it's like,

we've quit so many times we
could do it again, not that we'd

ever start again, yeah? But, you
know, it's you have to

do Chantix, and got all raging.
No good. We just the

first time Courtney got
pregnant, and I was like, Okay,

that's it. We're just quitting.
Wait a minute, Courtney smoked,

too. Yeah? Oh, she was a big
smoker. Wow, yep, it's

crazy. I never got into the
cigarettes, yeah, yeah. Cigar is

more of a good thing about a
cigar. There's a lot of

conversation that could happen
around a cigar. It takes a long

time to smoke. You sit down, get
to know somebody over Yeah,

unless you smoke it like a
cigarette,

which you know, I guess I'm not
enjoying it at that point. Hey,

so

tell us about, tell us about
this podcast.

So it's called music and cigars
with John and Jr, JR McNeely.

You talked about, yeah, and we
just started it. It's fun, you

know, we'll see where it goes.
But, um, it's on. YouTube. How

many episodes are you in? I
think we've got six or seven up

right now. So nice, not too long
ago. And as some of those are

music videos, like we recorded
Black Dog by Zeppelin, yeah, and

in the cigar shop after hours.
So you guys set up your gear in

the cigar shop.

Recorded, yeah, oh my god, oh my
Yeah. We

really Pink Floyd song, and
there's Have a cigar.

Yeah, it's funny. One of the
podcasts I produce right here,

the ales and tails podcast here,
I'll put it up

at the camera. Everybody does
know that Jim produces about 20

podcasts,

so we actually do beer tasting
right in here and do a bunch of

stuff. We've been wanting to get
our podcast in there just to do

a remote. You know, they're

great guys. They let us do it.
We do interviews in there with

songwriters, musicians,
producers, producers, all that

kind of stuff.

I love it, man, yeah. Put that
on the dude to do list. And so,

coming to Nashville, what were
you doing in Los Angeles? What

kind of work did you go to
college and study, or anything,

or man on the streets? No,

I didn't I, you know, I played
around in rock bands, trying to

be a rock star, you know, that
whole deal. So Viper whiskey,

yeah, places, yeah. And
different bands, different

things. And then I got hooked
into doing some jingles, doing

session work down there, doing
jingles and doing demos and

doing some of that stuff. So
that was kind of my bread and

butter for a little while. On
top of, I'm a car guy, and at

that time, you had to have a day
job. So I was an auto mechanic

for a Chevrolet dealership.
Okay? And I had a real cool

service manager that would let
me, I could call in that

morning, say, Hey, I just got
called to do a jingle in LA. Can

it, you know? Yeah, pick off go,
yeah. And I was able to go do

that. I kind of wrote my own
hours, yeah, was

it a not on a franchise
dealership, but was a

corporately owned or family
owned dealership, family

owned, yeah, family owned
Chevrolet. That wouldn't happen.

He was real cool. I

have a car background, so,

okay, yeah. And so, yeah, I
started doing that, and, and,

and stayed pretty busy and, and
then when the Nashville thing

came around. You know, I saw it
as a good opportunity to raise

my family in a good place, yeah,
and try something different,

something and not have to work
on cars, and not have to do

things because California is so
expensive. Yeah,

do you work on your own cars
here when you got to change your

oil? Do all that kind of I do
just because I can, do you

have the gear, like the lift and
all that stuff. No. So

the house I live in now is just
in a neighborhood, but my father

in law lives two miles from me,
and he's got a 50 by 50 shop

with a lift in it. All that

makes it so much easier.

Yeah, so I just take stuff over
there. I worked

that. I mean, I got to tell you.
I don't, I couldn't tell you how

to change oil if my someone had
me at gunpoint, dude,

I swear we need to do, like, a
series similar to, like, dirty

jobs, where you just go do
things no one would ever think

you would do. Oh, yeah, because
I'm so precious going hunting or

fish, deep sea fishing or deep
sea

fishing, that sounds fun. You
just change and go tower

drinking the night before, like
Tully and I have done many

times. Yeah.

But you know, deep not Well, I
guess, I guess you could see you

deep sea fishing, changing a
tire, changing oil, hell,

changing an air filter.

Now I can change an air filter.
And my current handyman, who's a

god, he's a godsend. I'm not
talking about the one in your

house, the one that's talking
about the guy that is in my

house right now, he showed me
how to correctly. WD, 40 creaky

doors. And I'm going around to
all of my doors and W D, 48 my

creaky doors. It's so sad. Are
you one of

these guys? Are you like Brad
from Daddy's home, where you

keep your tools in a fishing
tackle box with along with a

tampon. Maybe you know what
movie I'm talking about. It's

with Marky, Mark, Mark Wahlberg
and Will Ferrell. Oh, my God,

you've never seen that. Which
one is it called Daddy's home.

It's a funny parts of it. It's a
great movie. Yeah, yeah. He gets

home, he's like, you know, you
got any tools like Mark plays

the like will is his character
is the stepfather to these kids

who belong to Mark Wahlberg,
who's the divorced dad and the

wife and stuff like that. Mark
Wahlberg still in love with the

wife to a certain extent. So he
comes back in their lives and

tries to drive. Will's character
out in the beginning. And, you

know, he acts friendly at first,
like, hey, we, we're gonna knock

down this wall. Brad, you know
how Marky Mark talks? Marky

Mark, Mark Wahlberg, yeah. And
he's like, where are your tools?

Oh, I'll be right back. And he
keeps his tools in like, a

hallway dresser. You know that
kind of Yeah, you probably have

to watch it.

No. But it sounds very similar
to that movie. The other guys

were their cops, right? And they
were great to will. Ferrell's

wife is Eva Mendes, and she
comes out, and he's like, God,

put some makeup on her present.
Could you present yourself

better? And she's gorgeous,

yeah, yeah. And Mark Wahlberg is
like, Are you seriously married

to him.

And she's like, Yeah, I know,

great actor. He really has, he
really he's a man of many

talents. And then he's like, in
incredibly good shape.

Oh, yeah, Marky Mark, yeah,
totally. I don't know why I keep

on calling him Marky Mark, yeah.
Well,

I mean, that's where it all
started. First of all, he was a

Calvin Klein model, I believe
then he was a recording artist

and then a serious actor,

would he have been famous,
though, without Donnie?

Interesting question, because I
feel like he's almost as far as,

like, global Oh, he's
absolutely, totally surpassed.

But

Donny was the catalyst that
attracted the attention to the

family, because it was Donnie
Wahlberg of the backs that the

Backstreet Boys, but New Kids

on the Block where it was, were
those the bye bye bye guys, or

is that another group? No, that
came

that bye bye bye. Yeah, yeah.

Song was prominently featured in
Deadpool and Wolverine. Oh

yeah. Jim is a serious Marvel
guy. Is there something we would

never guess about you? Like that
you're a super fan of,

I like the Marvel stuff, but I'm
not a super fan, yeah, I don't

think I'm a super fan of
anything, yeah. Really, like,

Well,

I mean, I worked at a Chevrolet
dealer, I would imagine more

vets Camaros. No, really,

I'm into the more the old muscle
cars, like the old, old Camaros,

right? Nothing like you may know
what this is, but like a tubed

out old muscle car with the
blower hanging out of the hood,

that's kind of my, my thing
wild, you know, not mine.

You rev the engine and the whole
car torques exactly, you know,

old

drag racer. You have one of
those in your possession. Not so

since moving back here, I
haven't but my dad has a 1930

model, a that I built the motor
for, and it's got about 450

horsepower. He puts it around he
lives out in Lebanon, so he he

puts it around town, takes it to
car shows.

Well, it is quaint. Yeah,
Tennessee is charming. It really

is. You just got to watch out.
When you get out to the far

outskirts, you start hearing
banjos, yeah, you

gotta be careful. You gotta just
run. It's a big squealing. I'm

not sure if it's like that
anymore. It's getting very

bougie now, like even down into
Lewisburg. That's where the

overflow from Columbia is going
to go, yeah? I think so. The

next explosive growth area, I
think, is going to be Lewisburg.

Think so, yeah, probably.

But I'm hoping that Spring Hill
becomes like freaking Pasadena,

just just money flowing in,
property values, just

skyrocketing the roof. Next
thing you know, you and I got

gargoyles. Gargoyles. Yeah, we
got gargoyles by our mailbox,

and we got little spitting Greek
kids. And

there's nothing that's stopping
you from doing that now,

yeah, I don't know if my
neighborhood, they would like

the gargoyles, yeah,

like cement, black gargoyles
with red eyes.

It's funny, my house was known
as the party house. The couple

that moved out was the loudest
couple in the neighborhood, and

then here I come. Oh, wow. I'm,
I'm, we're the loud couple with

the drums, and I just played the
drums. Been there six weeks,

played the drums for the first
time, just had my little Darrow

Jones PDP kit, you know, just
almost like ding duck a ding,

just to ease him into it. And
then slowly played along to some

Eagles records. So far, so

good, so good. I don't have any
idea. I'll go upstairs and play

when everybody leaves here,
because my kit is upstairs,

yeah, and I just have a ball.
There's wood shed and

everything. And sometimes the
people that work here will be

outside, and one girl Sydney,
she's like, I was down by the

mailbox, and I could still hear
you. Jim

is Jim is self taught. He is a
he has the thing. He's a rock

drummer, like he's he can bark
away on the high hat. He's

cracking rim shots. He's burying
the beard. There's a nice

balance between the limbs. He
knows the vocabulary of a rock

drummer. He doesn't read music.
I'd love for him to read music,

but he he's, you're just a
natural.

If I only had a charting course
of a certain personality, yeah,

he wants me to do a charting
course. We're gonna film it in

2025 so by, I say this publicly
right now, where you can by

Christmas of 2025 we will have a
very nice charting course. How

about by Hanukkah? Okay, well,
that's, yeah, that's early

December. Is

it going to be Nashville numbers
or

no? Because Jim rallies got that
covered. I'm going to go in my

lane, which is how to create the
quickest drum chart you could

possibly create, yeah, in real
time, because I have my

students. I'll turn the thing
over. And I'll say, All right,

here you go. We're gonna both
chart as much of this song as

humanly possible. Four bar
intro, verse, eight bars pre.

Chorus, three measures a stop on
beat two, the fourth bar. So I'm

writing it all in real time, and
they're looking at me like, oh,

Mike. I'm like, Yeah, dude. And
we start, we'll start with,

like, hurts so good, right?
Boom, crack, boom, crack, boom,

boom. And then I'm like, Okay,
you just got to get faster. So

you got to chart five songs a
day, every day, and so then

you'll have it so down that if
anybody calls you and says, Hey,

I need you tomorrow, 60 songs,
no rehearsal. You

got this dude charting songs is
a saving grace. Saving Grace I

could, I couldn't imagine
learning 45 minutes worth of

songs without having that,
without having it that, and even

heard it here. Kids, when I use,
I use a the Nashville Number

System as a base, yes, and then
notated here and there for

certain punches. So you do,
like, 1451, I do 11112222, and I

go all the way through four.
Like, I'll list out 121111222,

211112222, all the way. If
there's, you know, 16 bars and

there's four, right? Yeah, and
then I go onto the course, start

over at one, and that way, at a
quick glance, if I look over the

one, starts it over in that next
section of the song.

Interesting.

So you have a modified now, do
you introduce, like western

classical notation, like Bob,

Bob breaks and punches and
diamonds and, you know, those

kinds of

things. So Jerry Rowe, it's kind
of interesting. Jerry Rose has

become that one of the hottest
session drummers in Nashville

right now, and he does kind of
like a Larry London thing, which

is 11111, you know, and it's,
and that's cool. So my thing is

more like, here's the intro,
four bar and intro four, right?

Verse, one, seven stop on beat,
one, there, and then I'll, maybe

I'll write the kick drum and
snare drum pattern there, boom,

crack, Boom. There you go,
crack. And I got my BPMs up

here, right? Whatever you need.

So to me, there's no right or
wrong. You could take any method

and morph it to work for you.
You know Sean London, Larry

London son, yeah. So he's the
one that showed me the Larry

London method, yeah. And then it
just got to where it was all

those ones, too many ones, I'd
get lost, yeah. So that's when I

started doing the 1234, just,
uh, for me, yeah. And I told him

about it. He told me it was
stupid. So if you know Sean the

numbers that you said it in,
well, he became,

like a great lighting designer.
I think that his his craft now,

yeah,

he does, uh, video, walls.
Video, yeah. Oh, really, yeah,

interesting, yeah,

yeah. So just tell us, really
quickly, since we don't have a

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building,

all the side hustles, let's see
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I wish I would have known about
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I don't know what that means.
You have to. I'd I did the I

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Yeah. And they have their own Wi
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wares. So when you first moved
to Nashville, who was the first

artist you met? What was your
first gig of note that started

to get the ball rolling?

I did a My first one was a guy
named Marty Brown for about two

weeks. He was a songwriter,
wrote the I'm from the country,

I'm from the country, and played
with him for a little bit. And.

Then played with Matt King.
After that, he was like a quasi

Christian pop rock Matt king, or
was he country? Oh, he was just

country, okay, and now he owns
his own coffee thing. He's

married to Heidi Newfield, okay,
yeah. They live in North

Carolina. I think. Okay,

so she moved, huh? My wife used
to massage her,

yeah. I think they have a place
here and there. He started a

coffee place in his hometown.
They used to live up

in West Haven, or she did, but
maybe she was married to a

sports agent at one point.
That's

right, that's right. So, so I
played with him for a little

while, and then that led into
playing with the guy named Neil

Cody. And he was more the kind
of indie rock kind of thing. And

did that. And then he lost his
record deal. You know, lot of

these new artists, you know how
it goes. And then after that, I

played for a Canadian artist,
Paul Brandt. I did that for a

couple years, year and a half,
and I juggled Sarah EVANS At the

same time. So you spent a lot of
time in Canada with Paul, right?

Yes, yeah, but you know he would
only tour in the winter time. I

don't know why they do this, the
most freezing time of year, most

freezing time they would, they
would tour in Canada. So it

worked out well for me, because
the new artists, like Sarah

EVANS At the time, was a new
artist, artist. She didn't tour

in the winter time that much. So
it was great. I could go out

with her and then go out with
Paul, and then go back out with

her. And it worked.

Did she have that song out where
that with sucks in the bucket,

with the drum intro, born to fly
from, uh, Matt Chamberlain,

yeah.

Born to fly. That was just what
I actually was with her when,

when they recorded all that, and
then when it stayed in for a

little while after that. And
then after her, I went on to

Aaron Tippin for the time and
and then the road manager that

used to manage, I uh, used to
manage Paul Brandt, yeah, called

me for the trace gig. And, well,
first he called me for Chris

Cagle, and then Chris Cagle,
I've just filled in dirt

drummer, John Stacy. Do you know
John Stacy? You

know John Stacy? Yeah, cuz he
used to play with Mark chestnut,

right? I believe he lives in
Texas. Now

he does, yeah, well, he fell or
did something and tore his

shoulder up. So I filled in for
about three months, yeah, and

then he called me for the trace
gig, and I got the trace gig,

and rest is his. So it seemed
like everything was

relationships, relationships,
personal recommendations,

absolutely. So to get the trace
gig, no audition, no audition.

It's basically like, hey, we'll
meet you at the bus, see at the

Kroger, yeah, yeah. And I almost
didn't take the gig, because at

that time I had heard that he'd
been through about three or four

or five drummers, ouch. And I
was like, I got a solid thing

here with Aaron right now, I
don't know if I want to Yeah,

and so Steve, the guy that that
recommended me, said I did. I

wouldn't recommend you if I
didn't think you could do it.

Okay,

what was the reason why he went
through all the drummers, they

just got better opportunities,
you

know, I don't know. To this day,
I don't know. I never asked, and

I went in, no rehearsal.
Basically, we met at sir, and

all we did was kind of line
check everything real quick, and

then packed it up. We were gone.
Went to the first gig. And first

gig was Detroit hoedown in
Detroit, downtown hoedown in

Detroit. Yeah. When was this? Uh
huh. What year this would have

been 2002

okay, so he was, he was coming
up at that point, I

think, right, yeah. So he'd
already had some hits, yeah? He

went through some aa stuff, and
then coming back up again, yeah.

First song, I believe, was every
light houses on and drinking

thing, thinking, yeah. And this
time was when Chrome and I'm

trying, and those songs were
Yeah, or coming up

is trace still doing that kind
of lady pleasing dance? That's

his thing. Aaron builds a bike.
Chris Cagle cries, and trace is

dancing.

Aaron Tippin builds a bike on
stage. He does in real time. He

does that work a man, whatever
it is, it's a stick, really,

yeah? Like a motorcycle, no, no,
bicycle. Like a bicycle. And he

donates it at the end to kids.
He

builds a like, takes it out of
the box. So here's the phrase,

really, they pre staged, pretty
sure about this, yeah, yeah,

that's his thing. So he just
sits there and he's got his

tools in. He's they roll them

out in a thing that looks like a
toolbox, and he pops out, and

then he starts building this
bike. Amazing, bro. So, yeah, so

we did this downtown, oh, down.
And I'm reading charts, and, you

know, going through the songs,
thinking everything's going

good, done. We walk off the
stage. Coach, and I felt pretty

good about it, and we're waiting
to go back out for the encore

and trace. Looks at Steve the
road manager, and says, where'd

you find this boy? I thought,
I'm fired. I'm fired. And he

goes, I have my ways. And he
said, as long as I got a career,

he's got a gig, awesome, and
I've been there ever since,

that's

what you want to hear. Man, I
just got, I just got the chills.

I

have a feeling you said it in a
much deeper voice, much deeper.

There's

more so my trace Atkins story on
that CMT tour. You know, totally

our bass player has got the the
hair, yeah, it takes at least an

hour to do his hair. And it's
like, you know, you know, your

spiky, modern mess, messy
musician hair is just supposed

to be, you know, it's supposed
to look like, there's no effort,

just the get out of bed, look
right? But it's very meticulous.

So Tully is in the dressing
room. In the hall. Trace is

walking by the open doorway. He
sees Tully in his underwear, no

shirt, with the flat iron going
hairspray, fixing his hair, and

he he walks past, comes back,
looks in the room and goes,

Jesus Christ.

That sounds like trace, amazing
story. And

then I have played shaker,
maracas, tambourine, hand claps,

finger snaps on a couple of
trace records. And the one time

I remember being in the studio
with him at treasure Isle, he it

was that weird time where there
was like that. There was that,

like, kid in the, in the, in the
bubble, oh, bubble. Boy, oh

yeah, that was floating away.
Balloon. Boy, we were totally

glued to the television that
day. Wow. Like, in between all

the takes. But he's just a, he's
he strikes me as a very imposing

figure, but it seems at the
heart of it, he's a teddy bear.

Oh, he's

a great guy. He and he's
softened over the years, you

know, yeah, but yeah, he's a
great guy. Treats all of us

very, very well, and I got
nothing but good to say about

him. Yeah. Now, who's in the
band now? Now we have a guy

named Chris Hoey on bass, Brent
mccullo on keyboards. We call

him b Matt Brian Wooten on
guitar, yeah, great guitar

player. And another great guitar
player, Brent Wilson on guitar,

who I knew from playing with
Andy Griggs. Andy Griggs, right?

And it was funny, because when
we started, when I first started

with trace, we did a bunch of
shows with Andy Griggs, and

Wilson was with them, yeah, you
know. So then now he's band

leader here, yeah. Now all the
relationships,

all relationships. So the
majority of those gigs, they

were non audition situations,
right? I feel like that has

always been the way in
Nashville, yeah, it's a, it's a

system where people want to ride
the bus with their friends,

people they know, they like,
they trust, because we're only

playing for the one hour a day,
right? So, well, that's amazing.

And I love that because, you
know, Al Dean pulled me aside

one time and said, as long as
I'm doing this, you're playing

the drums. That's, doesn't that
feel it just feels cool,

yeah. Did you know? Well, you
guys, you came up with him from

the bottom, yeah. I

mean, in 2002 when you were
doing that downtown, hoe down, I

was there with a band called
rush low, with Tim rush low. And

it was me Kurt and totally and,
yeah, you know it was, it was

six piece band, which is like
two people too many. I think,

when it comes to a band, you
know what I mean? But we had, I

mean, we had a great time.
Everybody was awesome. But

that's a lot of mouths to feed,
but

I can't be your friend anymore.
Soft hit,

right? We got the top. We got
the 13 with that sucker. You'll

see

rich at age 32 right?

Yeah. But age 31 age 3202

it came out, God, to be 32
again. Oh, I'd love it. Would

that be amazing? I

wish I could be 32 and know what
I know now, but it's impossible.

It's impossible. It just doesn't
work like that. My son's 3031

Yeah, 30 what? 31 What if you
could just impart the knowledge

you have, like, not trade places
with yourself, but somehow beam

your experience and knowledge to
your 30 year old version of

yourself back in time.

That would be awesome. What
would you tell I wonder how much

different I'd be now. Wow, I
would just say

one word. What's that? Bitcoin?
Yeah, right, when you hear about

it in 2013 just spend the $100
on it,

the whole thing. So now here's
the deal. I got some friends who

got in early on the coin, and
they got up to $2 million Wow.

And instead of cashing. Out.
They, they kept riding that

wave, and it went way down,
yeah, but it's at an all time

high now. But, yeah, maybe it's
up to 3 billion for him. Did

they sell that? Did they sell
out? I don't know. I just

remember going, Oh, dude, so
close. Yeah, that's the whole

thing with gambling. You're
like, Well, surely if we could

do two, we can do four, right?

That's the thing, is that, you
know? But it's a currency, so,

and it's a store of value, and
you got all these countries that

are starting to adopt it, it's,
that's the thing, you know,

that's what I'm looking at. And
you got the, you know,

devaluation of the dollar that's
happening, and all that stuff,

and they're actually talking
about it becoming the next world

reserve currency, and there's
only 21 million of them. Do you

limited, limited

supply? Do you think that we are
going to live to see that

crazier things have happened? I
mean, everybody laughed when it

said it would get to, you know,
$50,000 what are you out of your

mind? And then it did. And now,
you know, $100,000 you're,

they're talking about a hitting
400 million at some remember,

we were talking about nfts. Did
you ever go out and get an NFT

No, but we had, we had a guy on
that was into it, yeah, Gordon

Campbell, that's right, yeah.
And he was, that was the first

time you and I heard about it.
We looked into it. Gary V got

behind it. He was a big
proponent of it. And he'll even

tell you, he's like, look, yeah,
it's at a lull right now, but

it's going to come roaring back.
You just watch,

Hey, Gary V unless he's got a
team of people, he respond. He

gave me, sent me a DM, really.
Gary fees, I reposted one of his

things, and it was like, it was
just something like, don't sweat

the small stuff. And it's all
small stuff. He wrote it on a

cocktail napkin, and he posted,
and I, I reposted it. It was

something like that, or was it's
like the most important thing

are the soft skills, not anybody
can learn the hard skills,

something like that. So I
reposted it, and then I got a DM

from him saying, keep pushing,
keep building. Wow, yeah. Do you

think that's him?

You know, he says he he. I
believe him, if it comes from

his account, that's him. That
came from his account. So that's

him. He was probably in the back
of a taxi cab, probably, and he

just received, like this kid, a
bone. You're one of the 100,000

people that commented or
reposted, and, yeah, he just

grabbed yours. And, you know,
that's what he does. I mean,

it's crazy. It's the Taylor
Swift effect. That's how he get,

gets his followers just very
personal involvement,

very personal. Yeah, so let's
brag on your son a little bit.

He's the Ableton expert, right?
Oh,

yeah. I mean, hit that kid. He
just sent me some files today.

He goes, Dad, I just found this
new tube preamp, and you should

hear it on the snare drum. And,
I mean, he's all about it, yeah?

He lives, eats and breathes
drums, but he's making a living.

He's making a living. He plays
down on Broadway, and that's

kind of his steady gig. He plays
there Thursday through Sunday

with the same group of guys. So
it's not like he's hustling

different things, different
locations, right? But the same

couple, yeah, a couple different
locations, and then, and then he

plays with a guy named Peyton
Smith, a new artist out so he

goes on the road with him.
They're on their way up to your

guys's neck of the woods this
weekend, probably going to play

the wolf den in Mohegan Sun,
right? Something like that. No,

he didn't mention that, but
he's, he's going up that way,

and, you know, he's doing great

or something, huh? Maybe Daryl
house, yeah,

holding. And then he's, uh, you
know, he's, he's got his little

drum room in his house, like, I
do, you know? Yeah, he used to

use mine come over and record at
my place. Yeah. And then now

he's got his own and, yeah,
he's, how old is he? He's 31

okay, you don't look old enough
to have a 31 year old, my

friend, I'm 58 Wow, buddy, yeah.
No, you don't look it. Congrats.

Hair dye. Well, that and, you
know, just a career in music and

the car business, my goodness,
yeah, you're ahead of the game.

Yeah,

big time. Somebody yesterday was
like, I said, you know, since

how long have you been playing
it, since 1976 and he goes,

what? I was like, yeah. And he
goes, What are you doing? I was

like, olive oil. You just gotta
have, I'll put olive oil on

everything. There

you go, yeah, that's my salad
dressing. Yeah, that's

right, the best thing you could
have, yeah, yeah. And you're a

half Italian, and then
occasionally some honey mustard.

Mine, I got too much sugar.
Yeah, sugar. I gotta cut sugar.

Eat some sugar with me. I

don't think those are the
lyrics.

How the song goes back

to this drumming thing, um, what
are some, some highlights of

your career with, um, trace
some, like, amazing venues you

guys have done, or tell because
you've done the all the Conan

O'Briens, the Jay Leno's, the
Jimmy kimmels, the Jimmy

Fallon's, Ellen New York, the
NYC live, all the award shows,

right?

Yeah, man, I think one of the
coolest things is playing

Carnegie Hall. Wow. So the opry
actually did a thing at car.

Carnegie Hall. Oh, great. And it
was us and Vince Gill, and I

can't remember everybody that
was on it, but it was an Opry,

you know, a short Opry, but just
to play Carnegie Hall, that was

kind of cool. You know, my
daughter

sang there last February.

Oh, that's great. And you're a
puddle of tears. Were you not

incredible? She could, she
couldn't care less. But you

know. Well,

for me growing up, you know, my
dad being a drummer, I listened

to Chicago a lot, and they had
Chicago live from Carnegie Hall,

so that just stuck in my head.
And then to play my hometown of

Ventura, we played the fair.
We've done that three or four

times, the Ventura County Fair,
yeah. So, you know, be there,

and all my friends and family be
there. That's awesome. They

have that mid State Fair, which
is in Paso, Robles, Apostle

Robles, and then you have the
California State Fair, which is

in Sacramento, Sacramento, and
there's another one that's in

Pomona. I

forget what? Yeah, oh,
Lancaster, or Pomona somewhere

down there. Yeah, man. So

I love my California. So

when you guys go back and you
play like your hometown where

you went to high school. And you
know, did you have high school

crushes? I did, yeah, did you?
Did they still live there? Do

you know they do and did they?
Did you make sure be like, Oh

yeah, come on, yeah. Check me

out. Yeah, check me out.

I actually married one of my
high school crushes. Did you

that was your Sunday? Was it
your So Sandy, well, my first

wife, we dated in high school,
and then, you know the typical,

on and off again, kind of
separate for six months, back

together, kind of thing,
whatever, and then got married.

But Sandy, my wife. Now, I knew
her in high school. I knew her

parents. Her parents were our
band boosters for the marching

band and stuff. So it's I kind
of got to know them. And so, you

know, when I went through my
divorce, I was talking to her

parents one time and and they
said, well, Sandy, could help

you out. She's been through an
ugly divorce, you know. And if

you got any questions, so I did,
I reached out, and next thing

you know, it's like, Hey, she's
still cool. Did she know that

you had a crush on her? She does
now. You never told her back

then I liked her, and I told her
best friend that I liked her,

and did you tell her I like her?
Yeah, exactly. It was one of

those kind of things, yeah. And
the best her friend, Shelly,

said, You're not good enough for
and I was, I was a bad kid in

school. I was not a good kid,
just getting into trouble, all

kinds of trouble all the time,
just so I believed it. Maybe

that was he'll never date you.
So I never tried, yeah, yeah. So

anyway, it's

funny, did you have the same
thing, Richard? You have

somebody that, I guess it would
be you left Connecticut when,

oh,

man, yeah. So I left Connecticut
was 11.

Okay, so basically, all of your
teenage years occurred in

my first kiss, and my first
girlfriend was Debbie Durham,

and we wear our matching police
synchronicity shirts. So cute,

yeah, but

you didn't, but I'm talking
about somebody like the

unattainable, the crush that
never reciprocated, you know.

And now you go back to El Paso
with, you know, driving this

power I always

got, I always get reciprocation.

There was this one girl. There
was this one girl that I went to

high school with that was always
like, I won't mention names,

right? But, uh, she always
looked down on on the people I

hung out with, right? And then
when I went back and played the

Ventura fair the first time, all
of a sudden, she's my best

friend. How do you like me now?
You know, oh, good to see you.

So proud of you. Oh, you've done
so great. And you're you want to

say something, but yeah, all you
could do is say thank you. You

know, yeah, I mean, but you want
to say, Yeah, well, back then

you didn't think so. Did

you want to come back stage?

Wink, wink. You want

to say a few words into the mic?

Damn Jim. We're gonna get like,
an X rating,

parental advisory, talking
about, you know, during sound

check. Do you want to say some
more?

Yeah? Ventura County Fair and
Carnegie Hall, yeah, yeah. Now,

have you got you have you guys
done the, I mean, you're doing a

lot of sheds, yeah. Did you guys
ever do the Hollywood Bowl?

I never have. I've never have. I
wish I could. Damn, never done

it. Have you done it? Well, we
did

it one time. It's way too long
ago. It is time to do it again.

Yeah, I would love and the Greek
theater. Man, that would be

nice. I saw a lot of shows
there,

yeah. Is that a notable place,
the Hollywood Bowl? Yeah,

because

the Beatles have played there
Hendricks.

I mean, if you live in Southern
California, that's the place to

go see somebody. Yeah, they're
that in the Greek, yeah, yeah.

The thing about the Greek is
crazy, is that that neighborhood

is so manicured and meticulous
and bougie, yeah, and all those

people have to go to. Traipsing
through that neighbor. Yeah, for

like, it's crazy year round,
pretty much

have a hellish, hate Hoa,
hellish.

Totally, totally. So what any
other funny, funny stories from

about 17 years with trace? Uh,

not that I could tell on here.
Yeah. I mean, what you know,

does he have you over for
barbecues and hangs and stuff,

really. Oh,

he's pretty private in that,
yeah. But, you know, where does

he live, huh? Where's he live?
He lives

that way, 444,

yeah. He doesn't live far from
here, really. You know, a lot of

them are around here now, yeah,
he used to be in Brentwood, and

then part of it now, he's
outside of Nashville, south.

Yeah, so, but yeah. I mean, it's
great. We all cut up and give

each other a hard time. Yeah,
you'd think we hate each other

the way we give each other, you
know? You know, yeah, but at the

same time, we all got each
other's back.

Johnny Rabb had a story about
him.

Yeah, I was, I think he was, I
think he was playing, Johnny was

playing with Tanya Tucker. Tanya
Tucker, and I think trace was

opening for her, or something.
They were playing together,

yeah, and the band was just kind
of left hanging because she

wasn't there. And trace kind of
came in and said, look, let's

just entertain the crowd. And
you know, you let's just, you

know, you guys know that they
were just completely riffing,

wow, just to make sure the crowd
was entertained, yeah? And trace

was like he was just kind of
lending himself as a leader of

the band, yeah, kind of bailing
those guys out. So

Johnny's been with collective
soul a long time now. Yeah,

crazy. Yeah, that's a good
that's a good game. Remember him

telling me about that? It's a
great song book. And then look

at some of these companies you,
you're with Ludwig. I remember

that pasty innovative, yeah, but
I don't remember you being with

pasty. It's a newer thing,
right? I've

been with them 10 years or so
now, nice. Yeah, I was with

Sabian, yeah, Dave McAfee, you
know, I just grew up listening

to Bonham and that, that sound
of those 2000 twos and stuff,

kind of just stuck in my head.
So when I got the opportunity to

to do that, I went that route.
They're there. They've been

great to me. Do you

go with those kind of like that,
those kind of, like rock

symbols, or do you go like, dark
energy, darker stuff?

Yeah, I got some darker stuff.
But live, but I use 2002

crashes, nice, signature ride.
Are you still a rack guy? I

still got a rack like the racks,
yeah, yeah. It makes it easy on

my drum tech. I'm a big rack
guy, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah,

Rex, who's your tech guy named
Tim Thurber, great guy, good

drummer, you know, and he does a
great job for me. Yeah? Changes

heads. Does everything. Did you
hire him? No trace hired him.

Yeah, and he came in. The guy
before that was a guy named Matt

Sawyer, and Matt's still with
the organization, but he's he,

he's kind of like an assistant
to the road manager. Now, gotcha

so. But yeah, Tim takes good
care of me, man. He He knows how

I like the tunes and yeah, all
that, I

hardly have to. Isn't that nice?
Just now, do you guys, are you a

sound check band, or are you at
a point in your career where

we're just like, I'll see you at
the gig? You

guys don't know we sound check.
That's nice. Yeah, we sound

check mainly for the front of
house guy, yeah, you know. So

our ear mix has always sounded
great, yeah? I hardly ask for

anything. You know, you get to
that point like, like, where you

don't even have to, every once a
while, trace is singing a little

softer, maybe his throats
hurting him, or something. I

might point and yeah. Other than
that, never have to set it and

forget it, yeah, which is great,
yeah, yeah. I couldn't go back

to wedges. So spoiled. Yeah. I
remember the first time I used

years was 2000 with Pam Tillis
at the Strawberry Festival in

Plant City, Florida, wow. And we
had to stick those little foam

things in our ear. And I was
like, Oh my God. What if this

fills up with sweat and then,
and it

was like a heavy click gig, and
they just get used to it. Yeah,

you know, yeah,

yeah. No, I love it. I couldn't
imagine doing a gig on wedges

anymore, yeah? Like, when I do
the Opry, I don't put the cans

on, I put, I put a earbud in
with the click, and run it off

my iPad, yeah, and then, so, you
know, but they blast it there,

back there, so it's like, okay,
yeah, that's the only time I

hear A wedge mix anymore. The,

I'm not sure if, if he still is,
but being that you mentioned

Bonham and how you're kind of
big heisty fan. Have you read

Alex's book, brothers? I haven't
yet. I want actually right

behind you on the shelf. Okay,
yeah, listen to it. I'll read it

real quick. Yeah, what's that?
Oh. Read it real quick, do a

good book report at the end of
the show.

Did you read it or listen to it?
I listen. I have to listen to

like, audible. Yeah. Do you have
an audible subscription?

I could share it with you. No,
it's good. No, yeah. You know

it's a good book. Yeah. I'm
wondering if he still uses I

don't know if he ever used ears,
because I remember him talking

about Alex Van Halen, talking
about at the beginning of,

beginning of a tour, his wedge
would be on, like, two or three,

and by the end it would be up to
10. Yeah, I

don't think he's an ear guy. I
don't think so. I don't think

all those guys were wide open on
the wedges. Yeah,

you know, I was about 10 feet
away when they played on

Hollywood Boulevard and Dave got
knocked in the nose and was

bleeding on national television.
You there? I was 10 feet away

from that scene, really? Yeah,
they closed down Hollywood

Boulevard, right in front of the
jar deli, chocolate and and the

and Jimmy Kimmel's Theater,
which is the, what is that

theater

anyways, right there. So
basically, you, you saw the

whole performance and
everything. Oh, yeah, that must

have been amazing. Incredible.
Yeah, nuts.

I saw them on their fair warning
tour. Oh, wow, yeah, the forum,

yeah,

that was the back where they
they weren't touring with Black

Sabbath. Then was it this? Or
were they headlining? That have

been they were headlining, yeah,
yeah. I mean, was this legend

hold true? I mean, in terms of
the stuff you'd hear about him.

They were just a band, a force
to be reckoned with.

They sounded so good. They
sounded so and it was loud,

yeah, loved it. And just, you
know, and what impressed me most

was Eddie Van Halen did his
guitar solo, you know, doing his

solo. And he's running around,
you know, and doing the whole

whammy bar thing, accurate as
hell doing it. And then he turns

down the volume and plays an
open G clean, and his guitar is

in perfect tune. Yeah. I'm like,
I mean, he's basically shaken

the guitar by that thing. It
just blew me away. He never used

distortion boxes or pedals or
anything. I was his aunt, yeah,

straight to his aunt. He was
just, and that's, I think it was

the singer from Smashing
Pumpkins, yeah? Billy Corgan,

yeah. He had an opportunity to
play his guitar, and he says,

You don't use any, you know,
pedals or anything. He goes,

nope. He goes, it blew his mind.
He's like, how do you get the

sound? Yeah,

it blows. It blew me. They blew
me away. David Lee Roth was

ultimate, ultimate front man.
Front man, yeah, you know he's,

he was, he was an actor. He was,
he wasn't really a singer and

a and a martial artist, the
kicks

off the drum riser with the
splits and all this stuff. Oh

yeah, you know he I like both
van Hey. I like Van Hagar. I

like Van Halen. I like both
equally. I don't, I don't really

have a preference, but, you
know, one had more swagger, one

had a little more attitude and
drive, yeah, and more pop, you

know, melodies. And that

first song off of 5150,

good enough. Yeah, hello, baby.

That was like a big middle
finger to Dave. Well,

you know what the funny thing
is? Is like, sadly, Dave, if

they did a reunion, which is
impossible now, but if they did

a reunion, Sammy could sing
Dave's stuff. He could Dave.

Dave cannot sing Dave. Dave
can't do it.

Well, we I saw them over the
summer when they came to

Nashville. Sammy did the best of
both worlds tour, and it was

very good. That was the second
show that Kenny Aronoff sat in.

Oh, wow. Because they had to,
you know, Jason Bonham had to

go. His mom got sick, yeah. And
then they called Kenny, and he

learned the whole show in a day,

hours, stuck it on his iPad. My

brother was there at that show,
said, Kenny killed it. He

crushed it, said he did it.
There were a couple of

moments where he messed up,
where I was like, Oh, wow, okay,

you know, that was one of those
moments. But you're like, you

know, it's

then you just do this.

Yeah, so trash can ending,

yeah, but it's, it's a great
book. It really kind of opens

your eyes, and it made me give
it gave me a whole new

appreciation for the 1984 album,
because that's the album that

got me in the music, like
everybody has, that moment that

you break off from your WHY DID
YOU SAY

me and you, that was a catalyst
1984 in synchronicity. That's

right, yeah, yeah, there was

synchronicity in 1984 both. So
that was the first album that

basically introduced me to my
music that I liked, and broke

off from what was my parents
music, right? And to hear the

stories that album almost didn't
happen, really, like Ted

Templeman was like producer in
name only it was Don Landy and

Eddie, Ed Van Halen, apparently
he didn't like being called

Eddie. Okay, that's Edward or
Ed. And the 5150 studio came to

be because of that album. Wow,
because he was trying to fly.

Under the radar of Warner
Brothers. He wanted to do

keyboard heavy songs, piano
heavy songs. That's how jump was

born, and stuff like that. And
Ted Templeman heard, I guess,

the demo of jump. He says, This
sounds like a baseball stadium

song, right? This is not a hit,
yeah. And it was their biggest

hit ever. Ouch.

My first encounter with with Van
Halen was running with the

devil, and I remember, got that
album, took it home, put the

needle down, and that started
off in that, yeah,

just like,

Man, that is turn it to 11. And
how

about Michael? He's seriously
underrated. Oh, seriously

underrated, glue, yeah,

man, he really has high voice.

Oh, yeah. I always thought that
was Ed, yeah, singing those

parts, I did too back

then. But, uh, and you know,
back then you didn't have

YouTube, right? So no videos, no
even MTV and all that stuff

wasn't out. So the stuff Eddie
was playing, you're like, What

is this guy doing right?

Isn't it strange, also, how
massive it sounds, and you don't

even think twice about it, but
with no rhythm guitar player in

the band, when they go to the
guitar solo, it's just bass

drop exactly right? And that
nuts. And Anthony just holding

it down.

Yeah? I mean, he's got to make
the changes. Yeah. He misses the

changes. That's not good, yeah?
But

the funny thing is, is that here
we are a group of three drummers

sharing our like we all
understand we're not guitar

players. You know, with some of
us may understand the nuances of

playing the guitar, but not like
a guitar player knows. We all

have an immense appreciation for
Eddie Van Halen. Oh, absolutely.

You know what I mean, 100%
there's no other there's no

other guitar player that I can
think of that you have that kind

of appreciation for. And then
the only way I could chalk it up

to is the fact that when he
picked up that guitar was like

an organ, it was like a part of
his body. Yeah, the I feel

like the only other guitar play
that transcends the instrument

to where you're like that
doesn't sound like any other

musical instrument in the

world, Steve. I agree, yeah. I
mean, Steve, I and he's not

as he's not as popular. He's not
a household name like Edward,

right? But every time I see him
play, I noticed, I know there's

a lot of processing. I know
there's there's pedals involved.

It, it sounds like an alien.

I agree device, I agree and, but
would there be a Steve Vai

without Eddie Van Halen? No,

but that's the other thing. Is
that Steve Vai, and I get what

you're saying, that the thing
that I sent you today, what they

what those guys are saying about
you. Oh, yeah. Is that there are

drummers and then there that
played the drums like they're

the drums. Then there are
drummers who play it like

musically, right? They find
themselves in the song. That's

maybe the appreciation for Ed
that we all

had, yeah, yeah, because he
played for the song. I mean,

yeah, he did these ripping
solos, but, I mean, listen to

those rifts, right? You know,
and his rhythm guitar playing

was amazing, yeah,

you know, his appreciation for
finding what else the guitar

could do. Yeah, was, it was just
something off the charts. You

know, I always appreciated him,
and I didn't know why my brother

too. He's my brother's a
keyboard player, right? Piano

player. And when he was visiting
here in early October, we were

hanging out in my backyard, he's
like, put the video for hot for

teacher on. So we watched the
hot for teacher video, and both

of us, when Eddie gets up on the
library tables and he does the

guitar solo, both of us were,
like, leaned in, yeah, because

it's like, did you like that
part too? Because we found out

in that podcast. I did a podcast
episode on my podcast with him,

and we found out so much about
each other after 50 some odd

years of being brothers. And it
was, you know, it's like, I like

that part. Did you like that
part, too? Back in the day, when

it came on MTV, he's like, I
love this part, but he's just in

the, you know, mug into the
camera and everything. I'm like,

that was the best part of the
video. Okay, you know, except

for the beginning, like, sit
down Waldo. I mean, that's

drumming is just so good. Oh
man. You know, just the

guys that look past Alex Van
Halen are missing it,

but I think as of late, he's
gotten a lot more I agree. You

know,

his timing was wonky, his stuff
was but you know what? It was

goose. But his parts were just
commitment

to the performance. And he
played with his brother like

they were just, hey, he wouldn't

play with anybody else, right? I
think that's why did you look at

any of the stuff he auctioned
off?

I looked through it wishing I
could buy it. I'd have to sell

my house, right? You know, buy a
drum set. The acrylic is coming

for me. I'm so excited that LP
Latin percussion, which is

celebrating 60 years Alex played
LP percussion, and so they're

releasing a limited edition Alex
Van Halen cowbell that I'm gonna

take on tour this year. Yeah,
really, yeah. That should do a

little endorsement video. It
should be rifing at drum

paradise. Harry, be on the
lookout for my Alex van.

Inhaling tribute.

You ever try his sticks? The
Vader sticks are locked. Oh,

they're like, 18 inches, are
they really? Yeah, and he had

the, he's not a big guy, right?
But he could wield those things

like they were, you know? They
were, like, playing with

baseball bats, yeah? Like,

dude, I love it. Um, now what?
Speaking of rock and roll, you

got a project called the brave I
do now, I was looking for you

guys on Spotify. I couldn't, is
it? Is it on

there? There? Yeah, there. And
Apple Music, okay, all that. So

it was a group of guys I played
with in late 80s, early 90s, in

California, you got the band
back together. What's that? You

got the band back together,
yeah, got the band back

together. And we all live in
different parts of country. The

singer, guitar player lives in
California, the bass player

lives in Indiana, and I live
here. Yeah, so we just shot

files around the country and
made our record, yeah, and it's

great, and JR McNeely mixed it.
Okay, great. Mixed all three of

them. Nice, yeah, it's a fun
project. You know, we're never

going to tour. How many tracks
there's? There's three albums

worth, three albums, yeah? So
there's like 30 some songs

there, okay, yeah,

all right. Man, yeah. Everyone
checked out the brave on Apple

Music and Spotify. Gotta check
that out. Man, yeah, fantastic.

Um, geez, Jim, do we want to
maybe do the Fast Five? Go

ahead, and then I'll let you do
your favorite question. As you

guys, thank you for allowing me.
Okay, favorite

food? Mexican food. Yes, spicy.
What's your

favorite restaurant here you're
in Spring Hill, Mexico.

It depends for what? Well, we've
got alcohol, Mexican Yeah, yeah,

we've got Acapulco. We've got
Don Arturo. Don Arturo Tito's.

Yeah, you got another one that's
opening right in front of all

across from the L something.

Yeah,

right for tacos, street tacos. I
like La Via over there by the

Grecian, right, right, right,
right. If you just want good

street tacos, really, that's
they have street corn there too.

Sometimes they do. I've been in
there once. I need to go back.

La Via, it's by the Greek
restaurant and that strip mall

behind the mission over there.
Yeah, kind of Yeah, great. And

then

there's a place we just went
last night, my wife and I went

to Tito's, and they got this
thing called Mexican plate

that's really great. But there's
a new place called mix. I want

to say it's Mexican. Mexicali,
but I know I'm not right on

that. And it's down there. Do
you know where embers is Bar and

Grill? If you go down 31 towards
Columbia, there's a

in the upper set. Yeah.

Okay, so it's right there. It's
a new place. Used to be a

furniture store, right? Yeah,
I've eaten there, yeah, and

they're pretty good. My business
partner, uh, invited us out

there once. It's hard, coming
from Southern California. Oh, I

bet, Hey, I found a place that's
next to Publix. Cali burrito. I

Cali burrito. I've been there
twice, dude, Cali burritos.

Tacos are great. Okay, so

I've only had the chicken
burrito because it's, I like, a

basic burrito. It's chicken Pico
and guac. Oh, there you go,

dude. Yeah, dude, try it with
their Alpha store.

Oh, yeah, okay, or even the
California burrito.

Yeah, that's good too. Yeah.

So you're saying go with the

tacos, yeah? And Adrian, the guy
that owns this great guy, and

they have breakfast tacos

too, which I'm a big fan of.
Yeah, I love the Spring Hill

aspect of this episode. I

know. I'm telling you we were
all spring aliens. Now I'm

celebrating it.

And there's such character to
this town that is somewhere.

It's what

the we're finding it. I went to
the for a coffee shop, for a non

corporate coffee shop. I went to
the fainting goat.

Yeah, love it. There's actually,
oh, it's a good, good new place,

but we got to make sure we tag
him in this Bruno's Deli. Oh,

really, Neapolis, it's where
boomers used to be, okay, yeah,

the music store using, yeah,
yeah, way even, Wayne back,

Italian deli. Buddy, Brunos.
Well, Brunos, Brunos cannolis.

They got the black and white
cookies. They've got chicken

parm, eggplant sandwiches, all

the stuff. And so, as the owner,
like, from out of town, from

California, Okay, gotcha. But
he's, he's FBI, full blood

Italian.

You never heard that. I have
never heard that, probably

because I'm only half but, you
know, it's a strong gene. So

speaking of coffee and the
fainting goat, favorite drink,

bourbon. Bourbon, nice

in particular, my,

my, if I had to pick like an
everyday that's affordable.

Because, you know, Bourbon could
get expensive, sure, but I'm not

a bourbon snob, so it doesn't
matter to me, but I like wood

for double oaked. Yeah, yeah,
nice. That's a good go to

everyday drink. There's another
one called 1792 that's a cheaper

bottle, but it's pretty good.
Yeah, yeah. Are you a bourbon

guy

or whiskey guy? Totally. Are
you? Yeah? Is it bourbon or

whiskey? Kind of the same? It's
kind of the same. Yeah,

it's when you get into the rye,
yeah, that it's different. Okay?

And

I'm not a rye or a weak guy. I
like the good. Just give me

straight bourbon or whiskey.
Let's

not mess with the thing. It's
like, it's like, you know,

everybody knows that our band in
the early days was a we Crown

Royal, right? It just seems like
to be a thing in country music.

But once you start doing crown,
Apple, Crown cranberry, it's

like, come on, it's sweet
enough. Yeah? You know,

I can't even do an old
fashioned, like some people

order an old fashioned. It's
like, yeah, I don't need the

syrup. Yeah, I'll give that to
my wife. Yeah, we

kind of did like, a win in Rome.
We went to Disney World in

Florida in 2016 for the first
time with our family. And it was

the first time living with a
little bit of margin, getting

out of radio in the car
business. I was doing my own

thing, and we were able to turn
a one week vacation into a two

week vacation. And while we were
down there, just to kind of be

like I said, When in Rome, at
least what we thought Rome, we

bought Kenny Chesney's blue
chair rum, and I think it was

the vanilla, and then we'd have
rum and cokes instead of beer

and wine that we'd normally
drink. Yeah, it's a different

kind of drunk. Oh, it's so
caloric, and it's just, I mean,

after about three of them,
you're like, What's my name?

Yeah,

in 2015 when we were doing the
Chesney thing. At the end of the

night, I'd come out and play two
songs to back him up, and then

his drummer would come out and
do it was like a four song

encore, but Kenny would come and
just like, just be covering us

in rum, right? Sticky. It was
all over his drums and stuff.

And I was just in the dog house.
Man,

that's horrible. Yeah, why were
you in a dog house? It

just, I mean, I'm like, I'm easy
to blame. You know, you didn't

do anything well. I mean, I know
what. He wouldn't wait till, no,

no, Kenny, don't pour rum all
over me.

Well, the tech is just sitting
there, just looking at it,

going, really,

totally, what favorite color
black do you and I so, yeah, I

gotta figure out something here,
because it's definitely

happening here. Yeah, yeah,
that's okay. I look like a black

and white cookie. You look like
you got the salt, and I look

like a tan black and white
cookie. Now these next two

questions, Jim hates because
they're so hard. But do you

would you have a favorite song?

Yeah, I had, I could, can I say
two real fast? Yeah? First one

would be the ocean Zeplin, yeah?
Because every time I hear it, it

takes me back to my dad cranking
that song, yeah, when I was a

kid. So that song that, whenever
it comes on, it's like, turn it

up. And then the other one for
me would be dog man by King X,

yes, wow. God, that is one of my
faves. Dude,

the singing just

lays it down.

Yeah.

Jerry Gaskell, highly
underrated, amazing musician,

amazing team player, band. Guy,
yeah, that, to me, is their

ultimate record.

I agree. I agree that song
shoes, I need to listen to it.

Oh, man, do do your years a
favor. Dog.

Man, another three piece band,
yes. So when the guitar solo

happens,

yeah? He switches that distorted
kind of bass sound and just

kills it. Yeah? I saw them at
the Brooklyn Bowl.

They still sound great. I saw

him at 328 performance hall back
in the day. Remember that place?

It's gone. It's way gone. Yeah,
favorite movie

two, again, serious movie. I
love this, yeah, serious movie,

anything I love Gran Torino
mcclinx Wood, nice. Get off

grumpy, yeah, the grumpy old man
that ends up giving everything

to the people he started out
hating. Yeah. And spoiler alert,

if you haven't seen that movie,
right? And then, and then, funny

movie, Step Brothers. Oh,
fantastic.

Good Wolf. Did you touch my
drums? Yeah,

yeah, yeah. What's your

favorite song of the moment?
Rich. Oh, currently,

man, I have my guilty pleasures
playlist. It's so funny. Let me

go through some of these. But
some,

sometimes you have a share some
of these, like you have, you

know, current favorite songs,
yeah, you know, I guess mine

would be my go to I've been,
like I said, I've been listening

to a lot of Van Halen, 1984 I
have a renewed appreciation for

Girl Gone Bad. Yeah? So if you
listen to that song the

beginning, that's an underrated
song. Yeah, there's so much

going on. You know, if he's
doing that with one hand or two,

I'm sure you know, and he's
blank, yeah,

you know, everyone got.

So check this out. So this could
be play. This could be a

playlist that the spasmatics
could play. There's, there's a

band in Nashville called the
guilty pleasures. And they, you

know, they play a couple times a
year at third and lensley. But

these are just, and I know you
guys, it's gonna resonate with

you, because Rob, similar age
escape the piano, the pina

colada song by Rupert home. Uh
huh. Love it. That's Steve shot

rock. That's Steve Jordan. Now,
is it really? He's two drummers

on that track, but a very young
Steve Jordan is one of the

drummers. Wow.

How does it come

in? No, no heads on the bottom.
Toms sailing. Christopher cross,

lot of space. Perfect drum
track. Runaway current list,

yeah, this is runaway train. So
asylum, missing you. John Wayne,

lonely all night. John
Mellencamp, Betty Davis, eyes.

Kim Karns, Sunday, Bloody
Sunday. You too. In a big

country, big country. Girls Just
Want to Have Fun. Cindy Lauper,

you make me feel like dancing.
By Leo Sayer. Steve Gadd on

drums, don't stop till you get
enough. Michael Jackson with

John Robinson every time you go
away. Paul Young, and the list

goes on in there, uh, long Tong,
Sally, Little Richard, we

wouldn't have rock and roll
without Little Richard, right?

Never got his due. I agree. I
agree. You guys ever remember

seeing there was a, there was a
Grammy Awards, and this had to

be 30 years ago. And Buster,
Buster, point Dexter, hot, hot,

hot up, and Little Richard
representing Song of the Year,

or Best New Artist or something.
And Little Richard opens the

envelope, and he said, the
winner of Best Artist Goes to

me, because none of this would
have happened without me? Oh,

wow. And I'm just like,

incredible drop the mic,

yeah? Anyways, those are some
guilty pleasures in there. There

you go. They're mostly, some of
it's the production, some of

it's the drumming, some of it's
where it takes me. Reminds me of

my youth, and some of it is
just, like, there's just amazing

songs, yeah?

And, you know, it's that way,
like I grew up listening

everything from Chicago to
Zeppelin to bad company to tower

power to all that stuff. But my
dad had it all, yeah, you know,

because

my brother came to town, one of
the songs that I've been playing

along with, and it's a very
difficult song to play, is

escape by journey. Which you
ever listen to that song? It is,

it is, there's a lot going on.
Steve Smith was Steve

Smith man when just a couple,
when he used to lay into it. He

was great. I mean, he's great, a
technician now,

yeah? I mean, there's like four
different parts of that

song, yeah. It's nuts, amazing.
Jim. Ask your favorite question.

Okay? So you have to pick, like,
all of a sudden everything

ceases in your life, musically.
And you know, you have to pick a

tribute band to be in, and
tribute some sort of band for

the rest of your life. Who?
Who's it gonna be? You gotta

play the music every night, over
probably over again,

if it's not King's x, because
nobody would show up to that,

because not a lot of people know
who King x is, I'd say something

completely off the wall, because
I played rock stuff my whole

life, so probably Earth, Wind
and Fire.

Oh, yeah, nice. I love earth.
You remember? Yeah, kick the

horns, having the

horns, you know, you don't have
to play that hard, right? Yeah,

Earth Wind and Fire amazing

that they are. And, you know,
it's like John Robinson said,

what you know, if you don't know
the Earth Wind and Fire song

book, you're missing out, right?
You know,

Yeah, amazing drumming.

I will say that Bill Gibson is
still an underrated drummer

because a lot of that stuff is
kind of hard to play. I've been

playing a lot of Huey Lewis.
There

you go. Yeah, a lot of the the
faster 12 eights,

right? Make it feel good, yeah,
right, yeah, that, that stuff

will throw you off, yeah, sure.
Oh, you got to have a good day

playing that for me, at least.

No. Amy, no one's playing those
kind of shuffles anymore. No

one's playing,

no, yeah, and then

stuck with you. Oh, shuffle

on the hi hat.

Did that fast?

You know, you know a shuffle
that that's always played wrong

and hard to play, if you, if you
haven't studied it, is tush and

Dude, that's a double shuffle.
But the kicks going to Doom, to

Doom, to doom. It's not, it's
and most guys go, you know,

right? The kick drones go to
doom.

So a double shuffle on both
hands. Both

hands, and

then the kick drum. You want to
play the quarter note, right?

But it's just to do.

Oh, I wonder if Frank, still,
you know, was playing it that

way, towards the and, or if,
because it seemed like a lot,

sometimes a lot of people will
just knucklehead it to make it

more powerful. Sure,

to do, right?

Well, I saw them and he didn't
play it that way. So he we did a

show with him years ago, and,
yeah, they he wasn't playing

it that way. He's kind of
another

underrated

guy, too. I think

so totally you know that Billy
Gibbons is a part time

nashvillian. Now he's always
shopping at the Trader Joe's in

green hills. Oh yeah. You go,
still have the beard, huh? Oh

yeah, and the little beanie. And
does he? Yeah? He's a cool cat.

It's crazy. He's the kind of guy
you've run into him everywhere.

The rainbow, boom, you'll see
him. Trader Joe's you see him?

Yeah, wow, yeah. Maybe he's
following you around. Like,

that'd be cool.

Very, very cool. So any plans
for the holidays, and what are

you looking forward to in 2025

we got 28 people coming over for
Christmas. Oh, my God,

trace one of them. Huh? Is trace
one of them. No, you ever have

like, the Moxie be like, Hey,
why don't you swing by this

weekend? Hang out, have a beer.
No, really. Well, he's not

having a beer. No, he's not
having a beer. Or just have a

non alcoholic beer, right?

No, no. He treats us all good
and stuff. But it's not like a

buddy buddy kind of situation.
I'll totally

be like that, yeah. What are you
doing this weekend? Come on.

Yeah, you

know. And it's like, maybe he's
just, well, you never invited me

over. Why should invite over
you? Maybe

that's what if you did. Maybe
he'd shocked me, that's right,

by showing up. Maybe he's
waiting to BS. Maybe, yeah, you

never know

the answer to the question if
you don't ask Yeah,

man, 25 when you could have
Jason over your house? Yeah,

we live closer. Now. You do much
closer now 25 I yeah, look

forward to being probably do
about 50 to 60 shows with Trey,

nice and still doing stuff out
of my drum room. Yeah,

nice. So how do you ever do you
do some advertising for that, or

it's just kind of word of mouth.
It's word of mouth people in the

know

and anymore, like, I don't even
have a Cartage kid anymore,

yeah, most of the stuff now is
house kids. You bring cymbals

and snares and, yeah,

percussion. And so you're
finding yourself on Music Row

doing this stuff occasionally,
yeah,

yeah, doing that stuff. And
then, you know, out of my drum

room at home, got clients in
California, France, Missouri,

the French guys like, yeah,

oh,

to be culturist here. I mean,
yeah,

culture is, yeah, yeah, well, I
mean, dude, you are just we have

so, so many similarities. We
have a lot of similar tastes,

yes, and super happy for you.
Oh, thanks. Super proud of you.

And look, look forward to 2025
as well. If people have

questions or they want to reach
out to you, you got a.com What's

the best way for people to

find you? I don't they could
email me? Yeah. JP,

spittle@gmail.com

JP spittle@gmail.com

or find me on Facebook, direct
message me, or Instagram. Love

it, you know, right now, that's

how these crazy kids are doing
all that these days,

Facebook, Instagram, yeah, I
don't

know if they're using Facebook
as much these Well, no, no, this

for the older crowd. Yeah, I do
like Facebook chat. I love

people. It's been Facebook's
been part of my life since 2009

right? You know, or maybe it was
seven, I forget, whenever it

opened to the public and we all
jump ship from MySpace, right?

Oh my

gosh, you and I have 81 mutual
friends. John, ah, that crazy.

There you go.

Well, yeah. Well, hopefully you
let you in, and then we can all

meet at the mission. Yeah, let's
do it. I sent

your friend request. Did you get
it that quick, wow,

put me on the spot. Now, John,
is there anything that we didn't

bring up that you would like to
be public record?

I try and hide most of that
stuff. Oh my God.

Speak now or forever. Hold your
peace. Oh,

my God, amazing. Well, it was
just so fun to host you and to

you know, to be back on each
other's radar. Yeah, man, we're

in each other's lives again.
Man, that's great. Super cool.

Yeah, we got to meet up more
often. We'll do the thing. Yeah,

everyone that's John spittle,
look him up. Was the email

address one more time. JP

spittle@gmail.com JP
spittle@gmail.com

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