The Rich Redmond Show

Unknown: My house, my old house
there at nippers corner was kind

of like a wayward home for
musicians that were deciding to

potentially move to Nashville.
It was literally like, Can I

crash here for a week and check
out Nashville? And everybody

ended up moving. They're like,
Oh, my God, this is great. I can

get around. There's a lot of
opportunities. It's affordable,

yeah,

that's changed. All that's Wow,
yeah, yeah,

but I know what you mean, yeah,
Franklin, Tennessee. If you go

to a, say, you go to a
restaurant downtown Franklin,

the cork and the cow or
something, yeah, you know, or

the Red Pony, you're paying as
much as West Hollywood or

Manhattan.

Yeah, it's crazy. No, I know
that's

where we went the other night.
We went to the southern oh yeah,

oh yeah, so, but they have an
amazing steak called, they're

really the bell. But here's the
thing, is that about that steak?

Yeah? I think we, you know, I
say we paid 60 some odd dollars,

yeah, but it came with all the
accouterments.

It

came with. It wasn't a la carte,
though, and it was a, it was a

good filet mignon. So it was an
upper, a top cut, and it came

with sides. Came with, it came
with veggies and mashes. There

you

go. There's always,

there's always hope.

This is the rich Redmond show.

Jim, what is up with you? Man,
it's so good to see you. You

know, we're, we're catching up
in a public forum, doing a

little housekeeping. So I got to
play some reggae music the other

night. There's, you know, our
friend, Troy lachetta, founding

member of the band Tesla, 35
years you know, has this new

project called risen the
believer, super positive, high

energy, reggae inspired music.
And I got to rattle some

tambourines and cowbells and
play some blocks and dance

around at the city winery. It
was awesome. Well, you were

doing hosting there, right?
Well, yeah, I was MC I don't

know why. People just hand me a
microphone. They said, Hey kid,

you look like you can handle
this. And I got the cigar like,

hey, our next art It was fun
because I got to introduce,

like, you know, these great
recording artists. And we raised

a bunch of money for Sean
Fuller, you know, he is the

longtime drummer for Florida,
Georgia line. And now Tyler

Hubbard and his very young
daughter. She's five years old.

Cora is suffering with, like, a
rare form of, you know,

childhood leukemia, and so we
raised a bunch of money for her.

And it was a very touching
experience. I mean, there's

Nashville has an amazing
community. I mean, you know,

I've spent time in the other
music markets, and, no, there's,

it just doesn't compare. We have
such an amazing, close, tight

knit, knit community here in
Nashville. You know,

I it. It never, never fails to
amaze me. Yeah, even back when

the big concert happened for the
2010 floods, the floods, yeah,

yeah, at a big charity concert
at the Bridgestone, yeah, man,

all the, all the biggies got
together. You did too, I think,

right,

we did something. We're always
present at some of these things.

It feels good to help in any way
we can. Yes, Can you feel my

excitement? I mean, we got a
great guest today. We do so

great and it's so long overdue,
because I've been in Nashville

28 years, and this gentleman and
I will just like, we'll just

like, pass each other and like,
like, ships in the night. And it

turns out, you know, we're like,
seems like he's all Italian. I'm

half Italian, you know. And if
you're half Italian is a really

strong gene, it's like, you're,
you're all Italian, you know,

but be but this guy cooks. He's
a he's a super talent, and he's

been calling Nashville home
since 1992 hailing from the

Washington, DC area as a
drummer. He's a songwriter, he's

a singer, he's a producer, he's
a storyteller. He's got an

amazing new solo record coming
out June 6, called exposed. And

he's played with the likes of
Rodney Crowell, Roseanne, cash

Amy, Lou Harris, Carleen Carter,
Shania Twain, the list goes on.

I was member of the group the
cicadas. He's been playing with

Felix Cavalieri of the rascals
for the last 20 plus years. Our

friend, Vince Santoro, What's
up, brother, what's going on?

You covered a lot, dude, thanks
for making the trip to Spring

Hill. I love it here, man, it's
beautiful. It is quaint. Yeah,

yeah. You're in the Brentwood
ish area, just north of Yeah,

yeah. Nice. And I watched the
video because this was so great

about having this job. I get to
do a deep dive and steal from

all my guests. I go to the
YouTube channels. I go to

podcasts. I I binge your body of
work and you have just been

doing I know I watched the video
and it said you built your house

with your bare hands.

Are you? Are you a carpenter?

No, he somebody gave him a weird
word, build. I was the general.

Oh, so

you had planned. I did a little
sweeping. You disappointed? Did

you fix that?

Do you have a background in
that? No, the lucky. God bless

you. It

was a very interesting thing. I
bought the lot next in Creve

Hall. I bought an empty lot, and
I thought I was just going to

leave it there, but then I
played basketball at the Y with

a bunch of guys, and one of the
guys is a big builder in the

area, and I just said, Hey, man,
I'm thinking thinking of doing

this, and can you help me out?
And he gave me a big list of

contractors, and said, You can
do this. Yeah, so I went ahead

and did it, and I've done it
three times, and now I'm done.

That was more affordable to do

that, oh, yeah, than buying a
stock house that's pre built,

I would think so, yeah, because

you're getting everything,
you're more in control the cost

at that point. And if you have a
GC as we're building our new

property, yeah, that's about a
20% Yeah, charge that goes to

the GC to handle the project. So
do the math. I mean, we're

spending, you know, we're
spending six figures on this new

place. But, I mean, you take 20%
off six figures, it's, yeah,

it's substantial. It's real
money. Real money better in our

pocket than somebody else's.
Well,

good for you. And I don't feel
so bad about myself, because I

was like, wow, he's, he's a
chef, and he's handy,

and he sings Andy, and he sings
and right drums,

storyteller and and we got a lot
of mutual friends, and we would

run each into each other at the
Union. Are you still doing the

secretary treasure

job? No, okay, step down. Who
did you pass that to? Will

Barrow? Oh, Will is right, yeah,
yeah. And I believe he is about

to step down. So, yeah, the
people, you know, they got, it's

got to work with your daily
life, because you got to be

there for, you know, eight, nine
hours a day, yeah, 10 to 10 to

five, right? 10 to 410, to four,
nine to four, sounds like bank

hours. Exactly.

We weren't banking, but, yeah,
now,

what is the role of the
secretary treasurer. I mean,

what's a date? What was a day
like for you?

Well, you know, this state is a
right to work state, and because

of that,

okay, so Secretary Treasurer of
what? Oh, sorry, Nashville

musicians

Association, which is a union,
musicians union, and it really

has a history in this town,
that's,

that's an elected position. I
take it is okay, so you have to,

I mean, is it one of those
things, like an HOA, because

they have those, those, the
President, the Vice President,

the Secretary Treasurer, and, oh
gosh, well, they have staff,

yeah, and some volunteers and
stuff like that, yeah. But is it

kind of one of those voluntold
positions, or is it like a

highly coveted position?

Well, it kind of depends. I
mean, you know, it pays decent,

but, you know, I was probably
making less than that, so it

looked great to me, but that
wasn't really the issue. The

issue was I was not working as
much through my, you know,

through my own decision to not
work as much and and I figured,

well, what can I do? So I really
talked to Dave Pomeroy, who's a

Redskins fan, along with me, and
we both moved down here from the

DC area, but he said that he
might be needing, you know,

something at the time, and it
just kind of came about that

there was an opening. And he
appointed me, and then I was

reelected. Oh, wow, so, but the
deal as being a secretary

treasurer in this town, yeah,
it's a little different than in

New York, because in New York
you can tell people that they

have to join the union, yes, and
in this state, you can't do

that. And so you really got to
have some value for your

prospective client. You got to
sell it. You kind of got to sell

it. And we do have a rehearsal
hall. So, I mean, there are,

there's a lot of pluses that are
offered to a member, yeah, in

Nashville, and is that's that
became the secretary.

Treasurer's job is to keep that
stuff rolling. I think

I've been a member for about at
least 30 years here, though,

what was first Dallas with Ray
hair, yeah, who's our national

president now, I believe right?
And then I moved here in 1997

you came here in 92 right before
the big gone country booming.

Yeah, great timing. Yes.

Dave is so unique in the fact
that if you've got to be

someplace and on stage and plan,
I'll be there way in advance, as

you saw, yeah, early today, and
I'm setting up and I'm I'm

relaxing before he has a show.
Five minutes before, downbeat,

bam, pulls in, sets up, boom,
let's go. I've never, never

experienced a cat with that
ability. He's amazing.

So he's kind of a staple here in
town, in the Union especially,

yeah, oh, wow, yeah. And what

was his big job that he had, Don
Williams? He played with Don

Williams for a very long time,

yeah, yeah. And he was a big
call on for sessions. Oh, big

time. Yeah, yeah. Very
accomplished now, but now he's

big time in the union. And, you
know, I think he's on the on the

Federation's board, yeah. So
he's doing a

lot, and if I'm missing a check
I go running,

he's the guy to talk to, man,
you know?

Well, that is fantastic. And so,
originally from the DC area, and

what, how did you pick up the
drums? You have a musical

family.

I wouldn't say that we have a
musical family. What happened

was my brother, who is eight
years my senior, he had a band

called the dimensions, and they
were, you know, it was kind of

like a surf band. They didn't
even have a singer that a sax

player. They did, like, walk,
don't run and stuff like that.

And then he went off to college
and left his kit in the basement

and put a big sheet over and I
said, I'm like, a mess. That

sheet off. That. And so I
started listening to records and

putting on earphones and playing
along. And it kind of became

something I wanted to

do, yeah, did it come
supernaturally? Rick, you just

knew how to play, boom, boom,
cock, a Bucha, boom, Pa right

away. Or, I don't know

about that, because everything,
anything, anything good, is

going to have a beginning point
and so, but mainly it was my

enthusiasm. I mean, you know,
this is at the time we're

talking, I'm gonna think it was
like 1968 and so stuff was

starting to happen. You had the
Beatles, you had the kinks, you

had the stones, you had then
Hendrix came out. Oh my God. And

when I first heard the Hendrix,
and even Led Zeppelin after

that, it just, it was so in me,
I just kind of had to keep

rocking with it.

Now, do you fancy yourself a
rock drummer before anything

else? Probably, yeah. You know
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So the early influences, all the
bands, yeah, you know, I'm

sorry, and so did you? Were you
in front of the television for

the Beatles 1964 Yeah,

wow. And I had two older
sisters, one in particular that

was just, she was over the moon.
And so the girl's bedroom was

just, you know, everything
people's posters, everything,

everything little dolls and
everything. And, you know, so I

saw that happening, and I said,
Man, this is really and then I

started to listen, yeah. And it
really became, it just got

a hold, yeah, man, how about
that? Ringo, 80 years young,

yes,

and plays wonderfully full of

life. He's got his marbles. He's
just like full of life. He

really

is. Felix played in one of the
iterations of his bands,

the All Star band, yeah. How
about that? Greg Bissonette, 22

years playing with the Ringo the
master, yeah, legend. Have you

gotten to interact with Ringo?
Or I haven't one of your you

know how they say, be careful
when you meet your heroes. I

know. Have you met any of your
heroes where they were kind of

like, what? What one?

Yeah, but I'm not gonna make so

I'm trying to think, what do the
names rhyme with

his initials are? You

know? What's really funny is
that we might have a lot, I

mean, a lot of the same heroes.
So obviously, you know, Bonham

on a moon, Ringo, Charlie, and
then, of course, I love the

apostle brothers, yeah, you
know, I love Carmen. I Sandy

Gennaro was, was kind of a hero
of mine. He's right here in

town, you know. So Sandy crashed
in my place. You convinced him

to move here. Yeah, is that
right? My My house, my old house

there at nippers corner was kind
of like a wayward home for

musicians that were deciding to
potentially move to Nashville.

It was literally like, Can I
crash here for a week and check

out Nashville, and everybody
ended up moving. They're like,

Oh, my God, this is great. I can
get around. There's a lot of

opportunities. It's affordable,
yeah,

that's changed. All that's Wow,
yeah, yeah, but I know what you

mean, yeah, Franklin,

Tennessee, if you go to a, say,
you go to a restaurant in

downtown Franklin, the cork and
the cow or something, yeah, you

know, or the Red Pony, you're
paying as much as West Hollywood

or Manhattan, and it's crazy.
No, I know that's where

we went the other night. We went
to the southern oh

yeah, oh yeah, so, but they have
an amazing steak called, they're

really the bell. But

here's the thing, is that about
that steak? Yeah, I think we,

you know, dare I say we paid 60
some

odd dollars, yeah? But again.
With all the accouterments it

came with.

It wasn't a la carte, though,
and it was a, it was a good

filet mignon. So it was an
upper, a top cut, sir. And it

came with sods came with. It
came with veggies and mashis.

There

you go. There's always a, you
know, there's always hope for

$60 we made a really expensive
poop. This is how, you know, we

are successful men. We can clog
our arteries with red meat. Try

to thin it out with a little bit
of red wine. It doesn't really

clog your arteries. No, it
doesn't, you know, because the

more I eat paleo, like, you
know, hunter gatherer, just the

more energy I have. You do. It's
tough, you know? It's tough

because our cultural tradition,
I think my people are from

Napoli, which is more seafood,
right? Yes. But no matter what

you do, there's, there is,
there's the pasta, right? But

the American version of pasta
is, is like a drug and like,

it's like eating a loaf of bread
and you got to take a nap. But,

you know, we, we have, I have
friends in Europe that are like,

Man, I eat pizza and pasta all
the time. I'm fine. It does. It

doesn't do the same. Like Mike
Tarana. He's this killer metal

drummer that lives in Sardinia.
Wow. We had him on, I don't

know, about a year ago, and he's
like, Man, I eat pizza and pasta

every day. And he's like, he's
checked

well, does he walk like, 40
miles a day? Because that's

probably what they're doing.
They walk. But

the thing is, you hear from
everybody, I had a set A friend

of mine go. She went overseas, I
believe, to Italy, and she's

like, Yeah, the food, the food
doesn't give you gut bomb. You

need a nap, you know, because
their food is pure, doesn't have

all the crap in it, yeah, it's
our food supply here is awful.

Well, I

have cousins in bati Paglia,
which is nabolita, yeah? And the

first night there, they put a
bowl of tomatoes, and I couldn't

they actually looked very pale,
and not that appetite, but they

were unbelievable succulent. So
I'm saying, I'm agreeing with

you that something is going on
in the soil, or whatever it is

in the water.

They're making the color more
appear appealing, for sure, but

maybe it's not supposed to be
that violent, what I'm thinking,

right? Yeah, yeah. But you go to
LA and you go some of the fruit

stores, the colors of the fruit
are off the charts, yeah? The

best

strawberries, the best kind of,
any kind of berry in the world,

is in Southern California. Yeah,

I've seen the strawberries.
They're as big as your fist,

yeah, but are those?

But that's the thing. They're
not supposed to be that big. I

don't know if that's a good
thing or chicken

breast the size of your four

on a good they grow in two
weeks.

It's weird. There are so those
strawberries come from the

fields there in Oxnard,
California. I know exactly are

you? DW, that's where they grow.
The drums. DW, drum, drum

workshop. Oh, because I've seen
videos of you playing, do you

but back, back, every back line.
So are you endorsing a certain

drum

company or, uh, Pearl, but I,
you know, it's been, well, 25

years from when I was playing
with Rodney. Yeah, that's even

more Wow. So

let's talk about that. Okay, you
have. Can we talk about Pearl

real quick? Oh, yeah, sure.

Pearl over the because I started
out, sorry, not to hijack it. I

started out with on, like, an
export set back in the 90s, late

80s, yes, yeah. And that was,
like, considered to be the entry

level, yeah, these exports are,
they're nice now, yeah, I hear

you. I mean, not that they
weren't nice ever, but I mean

they were nice entry level kit.
There's, like, premium, like,

all the premium stuff that you
came up knowing, the maples, the

birches, those were the premium
price drum kits. You know, I

think pearl back then was a
mahogany, the export.

Oh, yeah, I didn't have the
export, yeah, but

man, I mean, I was at Guitar
Center today, and I looked at a

PDP kit, yeah, that had a carbon
fiber wrap to it. Wow, it was,

you know, it was a wrap. It was
a sharp looking kit. But, I

mean, a PDP is, it's a premium
kit, pretty much. I mean,

dude, I have some PD. I have a
set of PDPs with the wood hoops

that I leave in LA. And it is
perfect for, like, singer, song

or writers. Americana, super
warm, super affordable. Every

drum company now is making entry
level kits, like production

kits, which from 600 to $1,200
that are off the charts, that

have this. You know,

that's doable. You've convinced
me to look into the Yamahas

stage customs. You said stage
custom, but I'm looking into the

touring custom. Wow. Like, you
know, the mid range,

yeah. Like, not now, when? Not
the C class, but the E Class,

yeah,

yeah, yeah. Mercedes, Okay,
nice. And that's good. Thank

you, see.

But see a drummer that a draw,
you know, a good drummer can

play just about it even CB seven
was 700 with hydraulic heads

from 1980 covered in duct tape.
You know what I mean. It's

because the tone is in your
hands. You know what I

mean, and damping and all that.

Yeah, a lot of it is a tuning in
the heads, I guess. Yeah,

because that's an art tuning.
Tuning,

yeah, but some guys get all
wrapped up in the science of it,

and really it's more of a dark
art. It's like, turn the key

until the drum sounds good. Try
to match. Love. To lug and then

you will have a relationship
between the top and the bottom

head. Most guys will go two ways
to go, both heads the same

pitch, right? Or the bottom head
a little tighter, which gives

you a little bit more of a rock
and roll pitch bend, which I

like, I'm a fan of that

the dough, yeah, dude, yeah.
Maybe that's that's been my

problem. Yeah, I've been tuning
it down. No,

you got to have the bottom head
a little tighter than the top. I

did not know that. Yeah, wow.
Okay, I got this, you got this

feel betterment, yeah, yeah. And
we had, you know, if, if you

fancy that, you don't have the
greatest ear, you know, like

you're the worst timpanist in
the eighth grade. You can use

the drum dial to set the pitch
of the heads perfectly, so you

have a perfect starting point.
And then you could tweak to

taste, which, by

the way, if you need a drum
dial, we have three for sale on

marketplace. It's

not gonna really do us any good
if there's someone in Croatia.

But

well, hey, you know we could
ship. They could pay for

shipping. Are you having fun
winning? Yes, I'm just so glad.

I'm just so glad we're
connecting like this. But I

would say that you cornered the
market like you definitely have

this angle where you're playing
with these amazing I mean, we're

talking like the creme de la
creme, singer songwriters,

storytellers, the Rodney crows,
the Roseanne cashes, the Emmy

Lou Harris's, the Carlene cars,
Mary Chapin Carpenter, I mean,

that is right up my I mean, that
is awesome. So is, is that like

a type of music that you just
love, or is that something that

happened from relationships,
mostly

relationships, but, but I've the
ones that I felt lucky to land,

yeah, because it did speak to
me. Yeah. Hey, I stay with it as

long as I can. Yeah, and that's
why I'm staying with Felix,

because I grew up on that stuff
and tell us about that gig,

yeah, yeah, that's a great gig.
It began, I'm going to say it

was probably, what, 98 or
something like that. And at that

time I had, well, I'd been in
Nashville for a little bit, but

I had heard that Felix was
living in Nashville, yeah, and

in his band was Michael Rhodes
on bass and George Marinelli on

guitar, yeah. And I think that
was kind of the band and a

bunch of slackers, man, a bunch,
yeah. So, so I decided

to join the slackers. Well, I
went down and rehearsed with

them, and then Marinelli and
Michael Rhodes ended up not

staying with the band that long,
but we got Mike Sievers on

guitar, fabulous guitar player.
And we've kind of bounced around

with bass players. So, you know
we're looking to right now we

have a guy whom you may know.
His name is, um, is, uh, Graham.

Maybe now he was in Joe
Jackson's band. Oh, wow. Okay,

really. Great player, so we've
changed some seats, but it's

always the same music. And I
just, I just love the music.

What do you guys play? Like
3040, shows a year started

out to be 40, yeah. It went
through some changes. They did a

big reunion where Dino came
back, you know, to Nelly. Yeah.

Fabulous player. He was the one
that did the yeah and and throw

the stick like, way up in the
air, yeah, and somehow it came

right back. And then, you know,
so we've gone, like, I say, some

changes, but it's just been,
it's kind of fluctuate between,

let's say, 30, around 30 days a
year. Yeah, we're doing a bunch

of stuff with Frankie Valli at
the ice at the end of the

summer. And, oh, what? And I
think Steve Miller, oh yeah,

bunch of opening day, yeah,
that'll be

great. I saw Steve at the little
new venue we have there on the

left. We pass it when you come.
It's his first link. What's

that? First Bank amp, First Bank
amphitheater. It's right there

on the left before you hit June
lake. It's

one of those places that you
have. You've seen it over here.

No, over 65 it

seats like 7000 people or so.
Yeah, Steve Miller was there.

What two summers ago is fun.
Yeah, our good

friend Todd Zuckerman is going
to be there. And I think in

July,

with the sticks, with the
sticks, with the sticks in his

hand. But the funny thing is,

is that that place, it's a real
you'd think that would be a

nightmare to get in and out of
because there's one road, but

they do a really good job of
traffic management. This is

nice, and it's a nice place to
see a show. It really is. It

really

is. It's like a Greek theater
type. Never even

heard of it. Little bit of red
rocks going on there. Cool.

Yeah. Well,

we're getting so many new
ventricles. We just got the

pinnacle. There's a new, new
venue called the pinnacle, and

then we've got that. I don't, I
don't know where it is. I just

know that, you know, Eric
Pritchard was playing with Megan

Moroney, and I wanted to go see,
see him play, but he said was a

Nashville show, so he couldn't
get me to, you know, that is

hometown show. Forget it. You
know, you deserve that ticket.

Oh, that's sweet this week,
Eric. But so do you open or

close with good, love and close?
Yeah, that.

That's the closer. But you know,
people got to be free. Leads up

to that and grooving. He's got a
lot of hits. He does, he likes,

you know, he's a real fan. Of R
and B. He grew up with all that

Curtis Mayfield stuff. And, you
know, we do some departures,

yeah? And he wants to do that.
He wants to do, you know, some

of the old hits and just little
pieces of them. So it fills out

the night

fly dates kind of a thing,
mostly, yeah, jump on the plane.

There's a back line drum set,
yeah, and everything,

yeah, you know, amps,
everything. Do you ship your

symbols so you have your own
person. I do not you just play

local symbols.

That's what I'm doing, that you
adapt,

improvise and overcome.

I'm afraid that that is the
case, yeah? Because it's like,

you know, again,

I have a gig coming up, and,
hey, do you want to use the

house kit? And I'm like, Well,
what is it? It was a maypex,

yeah, Saturn, yeah, and, but you

don't know of all the widgets
and the belts that are going to

be there. No,

I never know. You never know,
bringing

my stuff prepared? Yeah,
obviously, this show is going to

be airing after the fact, but,
you know, we're recording it

beforehand, but I'm going to
bring all my stuff, man.

I tell you, I envy being that
way, but I've just never the kit

that's there. That's the one
that I want to play. You know? I

just don't want to. That's a
cool thing. Well, it's like a

surprise, and it's an adventure,
and it does it kind of lifts you

up a little a notch. Now, of
course, it'd be great if it was

my kid, but I'm happy doing it,
yeah. But

what happens if you show up and
there's like, some like, like,

crack to ride and 16 inch
crashes. It happens, man,

you make the best, adapt,
improvise, overcome. I once

arrived

at an outdoor gig where there
was nothing but rod symbols,

nothing but rides, but

can the audience and the band
tell or is it just you? Well,

I they heard me screaming, yeah.
No, no, it was so ride cymbals

breaking your wrists. I asked
the

guy. I said, Look, man, these
are ride cymbals. Now you

understand that I've got to have
some crash, so please take care

of that, sir. And you know, he
disappeared, and then I never

saw him again. So he was like,
okay,

ride cymbals is what it is, my
God?

Well, you hear those horror
stories about Broadway, and it's

funny because I think it's on
the Nashville drummers Facebook

page is at least opposed to two
a week of like, whoever is is

took the symbol clutch from, you
know, you know, nudie.

Please return it. And God,

there is a cat named John root.
John root, yeah, who? I don't

know. Who pays him. I think it
might be the some of the

families that own some of the
bigger drum companies, right?

It's either he's going down on
behalf of the drum companies

that are stocking the pond down
there, or he's paid by the

families, the conglomerate, the
restaurant groups that own some

of those clubs, to maintain the
drum sets. He's a great guy.

Yes, he is, and he and he's

a great drummer, really, and
he's does a great job doing

that. I mean, putting kids,

he puts himself out there and
hung a shingle. Hey, I'll come

by on a weekly basis, almost
like mowing lawns. Well, the

weird thing is, a freaking
lefty. He's cleaning drums. He's

changing heads. He's making sure
there's felts, yeah. He's oiling

the bass, drum pedals, yeah. And
he's Brooks and drum Dunn's drum

tuck, yeah. Really for Trey
gray. You know Trey, right?

Never met Trey gray. So, so
besides yourself, he was one of

these early young buck rock
drummers to come and shake shit

up in Nashville. What's his
name? Trey gray. He was with

Faith Hill for the longest time
in the 90s, and then he's been

with Tim McGrath, and then he is
now with Brooks and Dunn for

some time, and did a stint with
Reba as well. Sometimes Reba and

Brooks and double share a band,
right? And anyways, I'm gonna

get to see him at the end of the
month, because we are doing

Fenway on the 30th. Oh, nice.
Yeah, done. And, and Jason LD,

it's gonna be a good, good bill
in Boston.

But Boston Boston, dare I say,
corkscar pack

the cat. Mark Wahlberg Dunkey,
get

out of here. That's wicked
monster. Wicked pista,

so why Nashville did did
Manhattan or Hollywood ever call

your name? Yeah,

but you know, those were years
ago, and I just really was

hanging out in DC after making
stints like with Kathy McDonald

in LA, yeah. And we opened up
for Earth, Wind and Fire during

the all the Paramount Theater
circuit and yeah. And then I was

sitting there and my buddy, and
you'll know him, Stuart Smith,

yeah, he was a DC guy, and he
must have been talking to

Rodney, and Rodney needed a
drummer in addition to a guitar

player, and he just called and
said, Hey, would you be

interested? And I said, Sure. So
we both came down and became

part of the band. Yeah, that's
what got us here.

Now I heard somewhere, little
birdie told me that when you

came to Nashville, you were
juggling four gigs at the same

time. Well, that's what I was,
yeah, yeah, amazing,

yeah, wow. And then, you know,
Roy Bucha, and passed away

during that time, so now

I wasn't familiar with him, so
because of you, I went and I did

a deep dive on Roy Bucha and
cool, kind of, like bluesy, hell

yeah. And kind of a guitar, God,
yeah. He and Danny Gatton are

both DC guys, and you would
think that they would get along

with each other. They had some
weird feud going on, but I think

it was mainly just for
publicity. Yeah, you know what

I'm saying? Like, oh, he left a
cigarette on my amp man, and it

burned on the coat the tolax.
And so I've never, I've never

liked him since, but I think
that's all baloney, you know.

But they're, they were big deal.
And he's, you know, Roy just

really didn't take care of
himself, and he passed away. But

during that time, I was playing
with Edgar Winter and Rodney and

Roseanne. So yeah, but then when
I came down here, it really made

sense to make a thing out of it,
yeah, man,

Edgar Winter, so you got to play
Frankenstein. Oh yeah. And he

was on the Tim Bali is doing the
thing. He does anything. Did we

just do that? So it was so
funny, you know? And I

did a look to camera while

you were doing he broke, he
broke the fourth wall, just like

the office. Thank you, Michael,
so, so you have, may have had

some, some scares, some like
injury scares, over the years,

but just 25 days ago, I was
doing the dishes, and I was

washing a coffee mug like this.
The coffee mug lacerated my

money backbeat finger right
here. My wanna, why did

it do that just broke off and
then

blood spraying all over the wall
and everything. So 25 days ago,

my life was, I was like, Oh my
God, my career is over. Healed

up so beautifully. But I was
supposed to go to Texas and play

with this amazing student
percussion ensemble, and one of

the pieces was gonna be
Frankenstein. Nice. Yeah. So

anyways, I sent Jim Riley from
the rascal flats to do it. He

jumped right in with the kids.
He did. I'm sure it was

great. But did they have a
timbali player to do

the thing? I'm sure he went.
That's amazing.

But no, Edgar is one of those
guys that can play every

instrument on the

stage, man. And he's a virtuoso
sax player. He's a drummer. I

mean, he's a drummer, is this
actually, is a great singer. I

don't know where he stopped,
yeah. And he's still hitting it.

Apparently, that's

amazing that you have that, you
know, and that's something Nancy

put in your back pocket rock and
roll history, right there. Yeah,

yeah.

His first record

is the jazzier one, yeah. And we
did a couple things off that

too. So it was really cool.
Really

cool. That's amazing. Yeah,
fantastic. And then I ripped out

that cicadas record. That had to
be really fun. Now, when is it?

How often did the cicadas come?
Is it every 13 years?

I think it's two different
things. They're, they're Yeah. I

mean, that's one, yeah. And then
there's the 20 something year,

yeah.

And they come out and just hump
their brains out and die. Make

a lot of noise, so noisy they
make the ground really crunchy.

Yeah, man. I mean, those songs
were, wow, yeah, really, really

good songs. Yeah. Now what I It
wasn't Rodney trying to make a

effort on that record to, like,
be outside of the normal country

machinery, just a little bit.
Yeah. So were you guys playing,

like, rock rooms and, yeah,

that kind of stuff. And we did,
you know, a bunch of to the New

York TV shows and stuff. And I
think we were really because of

the people involved. It was
based on, if these songs hit

radio, we would do it in a
bigger way. But it kind of

didn't ever happen like that,
even though we did. I mean, I

thought some of that stuff was
perfect for radio. Yeah, the one

that they chose to spread around
was a sort of down tempo, but it

was just, you know, Michael
Rhodes on bass, Stewart on

guitar, and if things had taken
off, I think we would have done

something, but you know that
people kind of had a lot on

their plate. Yeah,

and I'm blown away by your
ability as a singing drummer.

First of all, you got a great
voice, but it's almost like it's

like your fifth limb, and it
comes with extreme coordination,

like we're having Mr. Stanley
Lynch on on Friday. Oh, he can

do that thing. So I'm sure you
guys have crossed paths over

years.

Yeah? Well, I think he co wrote
one of the songs on the cicadas,

ready? I believe so fantastic,

yeah, but to do that is a is a
great skill set, and I'm sure

it's been an asset for you,
because, like, we want a strong

vocal band. Well, you, you know,
you're covering it, yeah, that's

great.

Well, it helps and, you know, it
also helps me, because I'm more

into the song. I'm deeper into
the presentation of the song.

It's

amazing. How many Jim Don't you
think a lot of drummers, they

don't take the time to
understand the the actual

storytelling and what is being
told here, because that's gonna,

like, inform what's the tuning
on the snare drum? Is it

brushes, or is it sticks? Do I
want to use symbols with rivets,

or how about mallets? I mean,
is. And all that stuff is going

to be informed by the the
involvement,

and what your involvement, if
you're singing it, or even if

you're just singing backups,
yeah, you're following it a lot.

Yeah, it's

a lot of stuff that you know,
how many? What's the percentage

of the entire, let's say, USA
drumming community that

understands that notion, that
concept of needing different

symbols, like what you're
talking about, brushes versus

brushes versus sticks is one
thing. But hey, I need a highly

tuned snare. I want another
douche snare, you know, a little

bit lower tuned, that kind of
thing. How many drummers

understand that in the general
collective, you know, especially

the percentage of drummers that
can sing not just backup, but

sing lead, yeah. You know, you
look at Phil Collins, you play

in the air tonight. That's not,
you know, once the drums kick

in, it's seemingly easy, but
there's a lot of like, the fills

and the way he constructed that
song is very tasteful, but

there's complication to it.
Yeah, and he's singing over

Yeah. But wait a minute,

I think in concert,

Chester would cover the

No, you there's actually a live
video of Phil.

Had to have been a time, yeah,
yeah. It hadn't been a time. You

could see YouTube where he
basically does a slow walk

leading up to goo goo goo Gong,
you know the big Phil, yeah, but

he times it to where he sits out
of the drums right in time.

That's and then, and then he
plays the rest of the song. And

he's singing with the, you know,
the Madonna mic and gun. And

he's doing that. Did you guys
any singing over,

dude? It's, no, it's, it's a
thing. It, it

scrambles through my brain,
yeah, to think about it, yeah.

You know, on Henley. You know,
we did one year. You know, the

bands really are thoughtful
these days about choosing their

walk on music, you know. So the
house is dark and you got to

walk on music, and you got to
time. It just right. So

everybody gets to their
instruments, and then, boom,

they'll hit the lake. So we
would, we had that one years

ago. And then, then you're on,
then we're on, cool. It

was also you would use in the
air, and five

years ago, oh, really, yeah, pre
pandemic, that's cool. Was it a

pre produced thing that they
take the track and kind of,

like, you know, like, what I
would do, or I would take the

track and do, doing good on,
good on good on go, and then

put, like, a reverb on that last
hit.

I think our, I think our sound
guy, like, was just using, you

know, the mp three of the song,
and then he would just pull it

down, yeah, yank it down.
Manual, analog dude, yeah, yeah,

I'll just produce it. But what a
musician. What a that. Phil

Collins, wow, to play fusion the
way he did. And then, you know,

just drum sound, yeah. I mean,
you know, Brand X, with

Brand X, he was playing straight
up British fusion. And then,

then, then everything got more
pop sensibility. And there's

like, I'll sing, you know, Peter
Gabriel's, let's try foot. Good

boy. They auditioned a lot of
guys, and they didn't like

anyone to to do what sing or
play drum to sing, yeah. And

they're like, and so Phil's
like, I'll try it. And then as

soon as soon as he started
singing either, like, home,

that's pretty amazing.

Look at together. Great, great.
Yeah, Dino, my goodness, he

sounds better than the freaking
guy singing, yeah, I mean, you

hear him sing, mother, father,

Dean Castronovo, Oh, gotcha. You
know, I'm both. I'm thinking

about Dino DINELLI. No, you know

Dean castrono, not a singer, a
personality like a look him up

on on YouTube, singing mother,
father,

well, he can definitely, oh my.
He can front, he confront, any

band. So, so now, singing a song
you're so now closely, somewhat

closely related to this
storytelling one man show thing.

So, so that is such a great
concept. So Jim, let me catch up

to speed. So Vince has a thing
where he does like a one man

show, where he will, he'll play
drum accompaniment and basically

do like I watched the video,
long form poetry, spoken word.

Yeah, you're rapping, and you
pack the house. Every video I

see, there's a very enthusiastic
audience. It's

very, it was very intense
prepping for those, yeah,

because you got to, not only
know, I mean, it's an essay,

basically, you know, each piece
is an essay, or that I've

written, and I got to memorize
it, because I'm not going to sit

there with charts, no prompter,
and I can't do that. Gotta feel

but then you can't just memorize
it. You You've kind of got to be

able to talk it. You got to
activate, because I'm also

doing, you know this, and I
can't overpower it with the

drums. It was, it was really,
where did that idea come from?

I'll be honest with you. Do you
know who mitten Sparks is no.

Mitten Sparks is a woman that me
and my wife know and we're

friends with, and she does
spoken word, and she uses John

Jackson on guitar, and it was
similar to what I did, but I saw

her do that, and I just figured
this. This is. Cool, and I've

been writing, and I gotta try
it. I gotta see if I can do this

thing where I'm not relying on
other accompaniment, that I'll

be my own accompaniment. I'll be
able to stop when I want to

stop. I'll be able to accent
when I want to accent. Yeah, and

it became a thing, and I started
putting it together. But it's a

pain in the butt to do, man,
it's just so hard to do it and

do it like it's natural. How
many pieces of that do you have?

Well, on on my

DVD, on my live DVD, I guess
there's 10 pieces, wow, but I

got 20 some. That's,

that's like, an America's Got
Talent kind of thing. Well,

yeah, but you know, you can hear
it on that show. Yeah,

I could do it. I could do it on
the show. But I tell you, just

prepping for it is such a
effort. It's, it's

definitely, it's Creek, as I saw
it. You sent me the video

yesterday. I was like, wow,
that's out there, huh? Yeah,

yeah. I was like, you know, here
I am shaking off the rust of not

playing for the past 20 years,
and I'm like, and this guy's

freaking telling stories and
rapping

way behind. It was unique. It
was a unique effort. But, man,

it's just so hard to do.

Yeah, but I appreciate because
you pull it off very smoothly.

Yes,

thanks. Yeah. I, I would. I want
to see the DVD. I don't have a

DVD player

that will that will not work.
I'll send you some stuff. Yeah?

Send you something

like, You need to go in and make
clips out of that and put it on

tick tock Instagram. I actually
like, you need help with that.

Let me know, because that's,
that's something that's virality

potential, yeah? I mean,

okay, yeah, you'll be the guy
that's like, Hey, have you seen

the guy that does the thing?
Yeah? Like, yeah, Chip

Ritter, the juggling drummer.
You're right. Basically, I mean,

yeah, it's like, I like, Chip,
yeah. Chips. A cool guy. He's

nice. He loves, he loved
commenting on my when Spencer

used to play with me, yeah, he
would comment in the Facebook

comments,

yeah, I've been around him a
lot. He's a nice guy. He will.

He got to do stupid, Human
Tricks on Letterman was great,

but I'm serious, you know, I saw
it. That's the first thing.

Like, one of my giftings and
super superpowers is knowing

talent when I see it, not you
know, of course, you're

talented. You got a resume
that's that's like Everest. But

you know, for something like
this, you see a lot of guys on

on Instagram that are circus
drumming. They, you know, all

the speed and, you know, doing
all these, you know, mind

blowing. Let's reinvent Tom
Sawyer, because it needs to be

like, No, you don't do that. You
that's, that's sacred. You

don't, you don't touch that
song, Italian guy, whatever your

name, with the beard and
Mustang, and

I can't remember the guy's name,
he's incredible. Yeah,

he won hand Yeah,

glass of wine on a snare drum,
and he doesn't spill

it, right? It's like when you
saw a mattress come and he's

also

smoking 420 at the same time,
right?

Yeah, that's the pario, or
something like that. Estepario.

Esteparia, yeah, so guy, that's
the guy. But the thing is, is

that as you become as I get
older, you realize it's like,

yeah, that's cool and all, but
where's the, where's the nuance,

where's the tastefulness? Yeah,
you know what I mean. Look

up this guy on YouTube playing
with Felix Cavallari, and

there's a, there was a, there's
a, somebody got you playing

right behind the horn section,
four feet from you. And you can

hear the some of the sections.
You the guys just want to move

it forward. And Vince is just
like, just smile, like, Dude,

this is just pocket for but, and
then, you know, there's one

section of the song where you're
kind of like, slamming this.

Slamming the stick, like in the
head. Was like, it's like, a

choice. And then there's another
section where you're like, off

to the side, getting different
sound. Another side, you like,

lighten your touch. It's like,
directly in the head. It's like,

it's great, man. It's amazing.

What boredom will drive you to,

no, no, just trying to have some
dynamics. You know

what I mean? I think boredom
kind of feel about that boredom,

but, you know, it's like, okay,
now I'm comfortable here, yeah?

How do I become more
uncomfortable? That's

probably a good, good

way of putting it, yeah, where
did you know so Nick Pellegrino,

Steve Marcantonio, I could
start, start all the, the Manja

guys, the Manja guys. So Irish,
so you've ever been to manga,

the eight course Italian
restaurant over there, off of,

like, eighth Ave. It's still an
Eighth Avenue, we probably

Craighead, so it's okay. What an
experience. And what you do is

it's, it's, it's a traditional
Italian meal in the sense that

it's multi course, and it takes
about three hours. Yeah, because

you're dancing, you're gonna be
dancing so you can digest and

then you're ready for another
course. And then here comes a

glass of wine and Bucha. It's a
great European experience. It's

amazing. So, so you know, with
the American Mark Antonio, he

will not let me into the cool
kids club, because I'm only half

right. So he got to be FBI. He
keeps me like this. He's like,

No, you're only half the time.
Any. Days I got invited to my

own ginzo night. That's good,
good. So I got a ginzo night

with you still do it. It's with
Jim capolino, Mark capellino,

and Neal capellino. So all the
capelinhos are there. And it's

like, once a month, and it's,
it's a five, six hour night

where we start with the
aperitifs, really, and then

slowly but surely, here's,
here's a little white, here's a

little red, here comes out the
next thing. Then we're doing the

salads. Then we sit down to the
main course, and then somebody

come. We got the coffee, we got
dessert, booming, cigars,

whiskey, go deep. Man. It was
awesome. That's fantastic. Can

we maybe we need to invite you
and me? Maybe we have in the

house here, bring those guys
tell Hey, why don't we do this

down here now? Oh yeah, a Spring
Hill experience,

yeah. Well, I bet. I mean, Nick,
Nick will cater, you know?

Oh, yeah, yeah. And, you know,
that whole Manja thing began

before the restaurant where we
were just doing pot luck

at each other's house. So that
was your ginzo night. So I'm

just happy I got invited this
ginzo night. Do you know Steven?

Steven farella, he's a
songwriter. So he's, he's the

one. He's, he's like, Hey,
Redmond, you know, come on, do

your own thing. That's cool. You
only have it's fine. We won't,

we won't tell, we won't tell
anybody to

be okay. Because I'm I have an
Irish last name, but I'm 42%

Jewish, as I've come to find
out.

There's, there's no Italian in
you. I think

there's a pretty significant I
believe I'm a lot Italian. Yes,

I checked. Well, I'm a very
minimal Irish. I'm afraid

to do the 23 and meet. They got
hacked. Yeah. Oh, what is that?

Everybody's DNA information. You
know, your genetic testing, your

family roots in life. So the
website got a got attack. For

what reason somebody wants this,
all this information on these

oops, yeah, that's weird, and I
don't like it. I don't like it

either, because, you know, first
of all, Siri is listening,

right? Siri, I never have Siri
on, and people have bought me

Alexis. I've got two Alexis, and
I've never taken her out of the

box.

Well, I mean, there was actually
that time we were sitting there

and I said, you know, Courtney,
my wife, I said, it's funny that

you think that these machines
that are in here are actually

listening to us and plotting our
destruction. And we laughed,

yeah. And Courtney left, and my
daughter laughed, Alexa laughed.

Siri laughed. She laughed like
this, exactly, man, she totally

did, totally laugh. And then we
realized we're done.

So tell us about this new
record, because you have put out

solo records before, but this is
the one where the first one

where you have written all of
the songs that you were

performing, yeah, and it's
fantastic, and it was produced

by George and yourself, right?
George, Mary

George gets production credit,
yes, yeah, for

those that don't know, George is
the guitar player with Bonnie

Raitt, Bonnie

Raitt and the range before that,
yeah, you know Bruce orange

piece?

Yeah, he was a founding member.
Was he not of so your brother

probably knows all about that.
I'm sure he does. Yeah. Jim's

brother is a keyboard player who
plays in many tribute bands in

the Detroit

Yeah. Oh, okay, so we had dinner
with him the other night. He

was, it's always lovely to see
my brother. Yeah, and he he

talked about, what do you ask
you about John bolo? Oh, Johnny,

yeah, do you know this drummer?
We have met, we have not met in

the flesh, but of course, we
know John

Molo is a DC guy, yeah. And so I
knew him when I was playing in

local bands in DC. He was in the
nowhere men. I think it was the

nowhere men. And, you know? And
he always was like, he was okay,

yeah. And then he got really
good, and he gave me a call, I'm

gonna say 10 years after that,
so, like, probably around the

before, just before I moved to
Nashville, and he called up and

he said, Hey Vince man, you
know, I'm looking for a drummer

to for this, this project I'm
doing, because now he's a bigger

shot. Is he like, he's in LA and
he's putting together bands and

producing bands. And he said,
she said, yeah, man, we're

looking, we're looking for a
drummer. And I'm starting to

think, man, he's asked me, we're
looking for somebody like a,

like a young Vince Santorum. And
I went, No way. Oh yeah, oh

yeah. And then this Hornsby
thing. These guys are practical

jokers to the map. Oh really, oh
yeah. I would get these weird

calls. And it's, it's, it's
Bruce Hornsby on the phone

saying, Yeah, Vince, hey,
listen, I wanted to talk to you,

and they're jacking me up.
Marinelli is sitting there

crying right next to him,
laughing. These guys, they just

put you through hell, and they
don't realize what they're

like dangling a carrot in front
of you. Yeah? Oh yeah.

You know, whatever it takes for
them to get their yayas. Wow.

Wonderful, brutal, wonderful
friends.

Yeah? I mean, some guys really
take that to the you know, we're

not a super practical joke band

that's like grounds for you
know, dude, I'm gonna freaking

You better not. You ever sleep
with the one eye open for crying

out loud.

I know it got that way

young Vincent

or I went, what? What do you
mean calling me like that? Yeah,

because in 1990 90. You know,
around 1990 I was, I

was younger.

You still are young, totally,

my God, man, that's right, so
exposed. Tell us about the tell

us about the record. Well,

it came. It really kind of came
as a surprise, because there's

one cut on that too familiar
sight that I had actually

recorded probably 10 years ago,
and Marinelli played guitar on

it, and I I revisited the mix,
and I started adding some stuff,

and I sent it to Jordan. He
said, Man, this sounds great.

And he says, Why don't we do a
record? I said, really? I said,

Well, okay. Well, let me, I'll
send you a couple. And so from

there, we just started, and we
made a nice list of songs and

called it a record. Yeah. What's
your favorite track?

I would say my favorite one is
everything, trying

to remember which one, because
there's because there's some

stones, II type, yeah, there's
that.

That's I'll be dancing too.
Yeah. No, this one is a kind of

a political statement, ah, and,
but it's just a really cool

track, and I like the lyrics. I
just like the way it sits. I'm

actually working on a little bit
of a video for it, but, yeah,

and this is the kind of thing
that I'm learning is like, you

know, if you you're gonna do
this, you know, you kind of want

to get involved. And I don't
have a videographer, so I gotta,

kind of got to do the thing
myself. Yeah, we,

we, you know, we had John
McTighe gone, yes. And he's

great. You guys share up the
same publicist. Karen, yes. And

I was like, who's your
publicist? Because she because,

I said, How's your how's the
press on the record? He goes,

Man, I got in the Wall Street
Journal. I said, Well, who's

your publicist, by the way. And
he goes, Well, she kind of does

drummers, like she pitched me,
you She pitched me. Andy, P is

like, Oh, my God, this is great.
If I ever do a solo record, I'm

hiring Karen. So, so, um, you
know. And John put together

some, you know, some affordable
videos. But everyone is so

visually oriented, this is a
smart thing to do, because then

it exists forever on YouTube,
and then you could drive sales.

Or, yeah, you know. And

you know, as far as sales go, I
know that there's not a lot of

people buying records. That's
not the issue. The issue is, is

I'm doing this because it's so
damn fun. Yeah? I mean, it's

gratifying when I get get an
idea. And over the years, you

know, I've written for a long
time, but I look back on the

history of it, and it's like
there was a lot of times where I

didn't finish a song before I
cut it. Yeah, you know, and I

didn't, maybe I didn't let the
lyrics dictate enough. Well,

what comes first? How do you
write guitar, piano? Is it a

melody? Is it

guitar or piano? But? But I
don't get there until I got

something lyrically that, yeah,
that is saying what I want to

say, yeah. And usually, you
know, in the past, you know,

maybe I come up with a nice,
clever little line or something.

And not, not to throw shade at a
clever line, because a clever

line is great. That could be the
impetus for the whole song. That

could Yeah, and it has in the
past. But I've really gotten

into this lately. And basically,
when I was working with Rodney,

you know, he's he told he said
something to me that he keeps

two notebooks. This is before
cell phones. This is before the

internet, any of this stuff. So
two little leather bound books,

yeah. And one, he would just
spew thoughts and just keep

writing, writing, writing. And
then the other one he would take

from what he's written and form,
you know, craft. And that's what

I've kind of been doing, and it
really has been working better

for me. I feel better about so

now you got two little black
books, and your wife is like,

what is this?

So it's great. Well, yes, that
is great. I mean, what that is

on my to do list, you know? And
it just, it just goes to show

that, you know, you're, it's
never too late to put out a, you

know, a creative project, you
know, because I want to, I kind

of want to do a record where
it's mostly probably going to be

no vocals. It'll be more like
instrumental, fusion light,

cool. It'll be kids instruments,
right? Fusion light, it's all,

all professional musicians
playing on entry level

children's instruments really
well, yeah,

we got to replace the batteries
on them. Yeah.

So there's a drummer from the DC
area named Tim beary, yeah, and

he's now, I think he's in Ohio
now, but he does a similar

thing. He played with mahogany
mahogany rush when they were

out. And really good drummer and
people are doing that now. I

think it's really cool. Yeah.

You know, the thing about
writers and stuff like that, I

don't know if this is an
offensive thing, maybe to me, it

is, they always have their radar
up. You know what? I mean?

You're always listening. They're
always listening and observing.

And if you drop the occasional
nugget of wisdom. There's like,

Ooh, that's a good one. I'm
going to run with it. Yeah. And

you get none of the money. Yeah,
they write a hit out of

it, right, right? Just like
observational comedians, they're

always scribbling. They're
listening,

yeah? And it's like, you know,
it's one of these days when I

get around songwriters and guys
like you that listen for

stories. I'm just going to set
you up with random stuff.

I will give you credit. Nice
word for a third, I promise you,

you know, I

mean, the purpose of a lock is
to turn a door into a wall. Ah,

is there a connection? I'm

struggling. I'm screwed down
right now. I mean, at age 30,

you've spent a month having
birthdays, write that down.

Write that down.

Write that down. That's a good
idea. Get a run. Hey,

you know what I just saw on
Netflix.

Conan O'Brien just got honored
with the Mark Twain award for

comedy. And it's, apparently
it's one of the last events that

they're going to have at the
Kennedy Center Honors, because I

think it's getting shut down or
something. Don't even get

me started building a high rise
China.

But anyways, the event is
unbelievable, and it was

captured for all time, and I
watched it today, and it

warrants another viewing. It
was, so what's it called? It's,

well, I guess it's just a it's
the special of, you know, Conan

O'Brien receives the mark twain
cool award. And all the who's

who of comedians, from Nikki
Glaser to Adam Sandler to John

Mulaney are all roasting him in
a very polite way. That's not a

roast. Then it's, well, you
know, there it's more of like a

comedic tribute. Yeah, it's

well done. So it's not really
labeled as a roast. It's not

a roast. No, it's the Mark
Twain. I mean, it's very

prestigious. It's very
prestigious. Yes, it better be

hybrid. Everyone is wearing the
Conan's Great. Yeah. He really

is very creative. He really
deserves it.

You know what? I You're gonna
laugh at me. So I go to Vegas

this past couple weeks for a
trade show. Yeah? And we have

time to kill and we wanted to go
to the West Rim of the Grand

Canyon. That didn't happen,
because it's like the Native

American mafia controls
everything out there, and you

got to pay to hike to the edge
of the freaking Canyon. But I

digress, oh boy. So we went
back, like, let's go take the

damn tour. I've been to the
Hoover Dam million times, and,

you know, we go there, and the
damn tour was shut down. Like

one of the again, a day like
today, where I'm having this

freaking Murphy's Law. It was
one of those freaking days where

nothing was working out, but we,
we still had a good time. It

gets you thinking, I'm like, out
here on Buckner. They've been

constructing this road and
renovating it, renovating it,

you know, whatever, modeling it,
yeah, for the past probably six,

seven years. Wow. All right,
they got potholes on 65 they put

the June Lake exit in, you know,
about a year ago, and opened it

up and whatever. And that took
them years. The Hoover Dam was

built in four flipping years. In

we were more efficient, dude.
Well, OSHA

didn't exist. I mean, 97 people
died. So that's about two people

a month. Imagine coming into
work and realizing you could

potentially die building a well,
not only that, like, oh, you

hear about Charlie, oh, really,
yeah, you know, he fell, you

know? And it's like, oh, well,
that two weeks ago, yeah,

Johnny, you know, he fell in the
freaking he was buried in

cement,

um, breaking bread on the giant
girder, right?

We are a soft freaking
generation. This is so soft,

dude, but it's got me thinking
I'm like somebody at some point.

I don't know why I'm going off
on this go in there, buddy, but

you know, you talked about that
you like you. It was, it merited

another watch. Yeah, I'm getting
to the point. So I'm sitting

there on the big bridge that
they built to bypass the dam

that was started back when I
lived there. Yeah, okay. Five

years prior to them actually
putting a shovel to the ground,

they were designing this thing,
yeah? And then it took them

another, I think, seven years to
finish. The bridge. Took over 10

years to build, yeah, the dam.
Okay, I'll reiterate, the dam

took four flipping years to
build a marvel of engineering

and create the largest lake in
the United States. Yeah. Okay.

So I'm like, I'm a big fan of
videos that show like animations

and graphics and flyovers.
Wouldn't, shouldn't, you know,

there's got to be something on
YouTube. So I go home, we get

back to the Airbnb, I pull up on
my phone, I'm like, you know,

there's got to be something out
there. Lo and behold, some dude

who actually does this on
YouTube how things work. He does

like how jet engines work. He
does all the animations and

cutaways and stuff like that. He
did a video six days prior. He

uploaded it. It's got over a
million views on it already.

Nice how the Hoover Dam was
built and how it works. Oh, wow.

It is freaking fascinating.
Nice. Because, oh, I

mean, real of that project. But
I mean, bridges are a marvel.

When you, when you cross the
Golden Gate Bridge did, yeah,

and you say to yourself, a man,
this man maintains this dude,

yeah, I get that. Yeah. This is,
let's block the Colorado here

and create a lake that's 700
feet deep. How do they Wow in

1931 Yeah, okay, there it was,
one guy's vision. One guy right

sat on top of the freaking Black
Canyon looking down. Okay, we're

gonna put a we're gonna blink
river. You know, you know guy.

Nice. Okay, right about here,
yes. Well, let's look at the

plans. Right about I need you to
build a 50 foot diameter. Need

two of them. Want two on each
side, because we're to divert

this entire flipping river 50
foot diameter tunnel. I need you

to go a quarter mile up north,
and all these guys. You go, you

imagine the guys go. You want us
to do what? Yeah,

yeah, there's catering, right,
right.

There's catering, right. Can I
get some

more sun tan oil or, you know,
sun lotion? I mean, Wow, dude,

it's like, it blew my mind. Hey,
do you think about a project

like that? It's monstrous. Yeah,
big deal. You know, I don't know

that's so, basically, that video
is something I've been urging my

wife. I'm like, you should
really check this out. Yeah? And

she's like, No, maybe

I'll check it out too. Yeah, I
don't know if I'll watch the

whole thing. It sucks you

in. This guy does a great job.
Yeah, yeah. What

do you have any interests?
Because Jim, Jim loves these How

To videos. So you're a great
chef. You're, I mean, you're,

I've seen videos of you cooking.
I cook. So do you all the

cooking in your family? I do

most of the cooking. Yeah, yeah.
So scratch you had a great as

much as I can pasta, Azul

is, is in my family. And then, I
don't know if you My mom calls

it depression food, because my
she learned all she got all her

recipes from my grandmother, who
survived the depression him. You

know, I did a paper and I did a
paper in high school. I

interviewed my grandparents, and
my grandmother would be like,

Oh, we used to capture the
pigeons and we'd fry them up in

olive oil. And I'd be like, and
I'd be like, Wow, because I mean

they, I mean that it was
depression,

that was, that was a freaking,
just a that was the same

generation, yeah, they built the
Hoover Dam. That's the same

generation. They're hard. Just
like, really, you need freaking

safe spaces and mental health
issues. Oh,

don't get me started on my
Belmont story. But the you know,

and so another one of the
Depression dishes is lentils

with pepperoni. I forget what
she calls it, but it's like a

nice lentil dish, pasta, Fauci,
except with lentils. With

lentils. Yeah. Do you have a
special season? Is there

something that your your wife is
like, hey, we haven't had such

and such in a while. There's
probably

a handful, yeah? But, you know,
I'm a gardener too, so I just

put it on, well, yeah, because I
want to use on the earth, I want

to do God intended, yeah. So I
get the tomatoes and the peppers

and eggplant, gosh, parmesan,
you know, yeah,

when are we coming over? Yeah,
exactly. I would, I would like

that. That sounds so
tantalizing. Yeah, it really

does.

Yeah. Well, I mean, you know,
and then we got a sub freezer,

so the one the tomatoes are
coming in, I mean, it's, it's

inundated, yeah, and I got
pictures, but you don't want to

see them, so it's, you got a
freezer in the garage, basement,

yeah, it's done in the basement,
so that when we make either

sauce, I put it in there, you
know, we have a dinner sauce, or

is it gravy? Well, it, for me,
it's sauce, but I got a bunch of

goons in the manger group.

We've never called it gravy. My
family, it's always sauce. So I

think in

Jersey there is a contingent
they call it gravy,

yeah, like the scene from
Goodfellas when they're in

prison, and the slicing the
garlic with a razor blade. You

know what? I mean, that stuff
actually start

a walk. My mouth is water.
Garlic keeps you I mean, garlic

is a super, super it is a real
deal. Yeah. I mean, you know,

well,

look at the way my wife makes
bread.

Oh yeah, his wife makes some
serious sourdough. Before the

Panda, before the popularity of
the pandemic, made sourdough a

thing. Wow, she was always doing
it.

Oh, she could make Italian bread
like nobody's business. Yeah,

that's really something, you
know? I mean, because a good

Italian loaf, it's hard to find
here, I'll be honest with you,

there's a Costco Italian loaf
that's pretty darn nice. The

freaking pizza at Costco is
pretty it's not bad, right? Not

bad. I'm with you. Okay, so
you've been here since the early

90s. You came from Washington,
so you gotta you're in definite

proximity of good pizza up
there, especially around that

time, yeah, coming down here,
you must have been like, Oh no,

going on. Well,

yeah. But, I mean, even in DC, I
knew that, you know, well,

there's never a big restaurant I
go right restaurants, because I

think my parents were kind of
reluctant to do that, or my mom

in particular. But if we had,
you know, a couple places where

we could get a good loaf, cheap
loaf, in DC, we would do that.

And so I'm always looking for
that. There's a, there is a

couple of, there are a couple of
items that I do go to get

locally. Yeah. One is a
extremely aged provolone. It's

called stravacchia. And then you
can get that at Coco's market on

51st Okay, um, other things, you
know, a lot less so online. I

gotta say that a couple things I
get online.

Have you? Has the food improved
here over the years? It

has, but it also with that, it's
been about a bunch of restaurant

tours from California and the
like that come here, and they're

recreating the California thing
here in Nashville. So it is

upscale. You're paying a lot
more,

yeah, for a lot less. Food,
yeah,

yeah, but it's good. No, don't
get me wrong. It's

good. Some Italian restaurants
are popping up. What's the one

of the moment that everyone's
going to I forget what people

are, four seasons number you
should have Amerigo.

Olive Garden, yeah? Olive
Garden.

Endless breadsticks. And then
are you pairing your meals with

with whites and red, you know?
Sure.

Okay, well, my wife doesn't
really indulge that much, but

I'm doing it on my end, yeah,

I Yeah. I take care of it on my
end. Yeah. I drink for two.

When you drink a good wine,
it's,

it's incredible, and with the
right meal, yeah, we shared a

nice bottle the other night. It
was nice. What did you have? We

had Cabernet. Was cab. Yeah, it
was a cab, cab with our steaks.

What was your cab? Do you
remember the brand and the freak

show?

Something like, oh, it was like,
it was somebody's name, like,

Josie or Oh, not Jose. It was
like, it was, gosh, I didn't pay

attention. You

know what? The ginzos educated
me really quickly, because,

because the first time I went,
everyone's encouraged, of

course, to bring two bottles,
and they'll say, we're going

with white tonight because we're
having fish, or we'll have we're

going with red tonight, because,
you know? So I bring a lot of

times I will buy bottles of wine
pre ginzo education, based on

the title and the label, like,
if it's this cute label. So this

goes down in infamy with the
group. There was a label called

tattoo girl, and it was just
kind of like this hot girl,

yeah, man, you know, like on the
side of a bomber B, 52 bomber

with all the tattoos. I'm like,
that looks like a great wine.

And it was like 1199 like,
perfect price. So I show up with

a like, and then maybe, like, a
freak show type thing, and

they're like, red nose, and they
did, the bottles just sat there

the whole night. And then I
realized, when my friend pulls

me over, he goes, Man, you got
to go with the bees, the

barolas, the bares. Goes, you
got to go with A, B, right? So

then I got to go, then I got to
go to Total Wine, or I got to go

to red. Or what's the one on
Murphy road there, West End and

Murphy road, it's

like a high end. I know which
one you mean. I don't know the

name of

I forget, because this is
happening to me.

I did take my gingko Balboa. I
forgot to take my gingko Balboa

today. But anyways, I got, I
learned really quick. You know,

you got to buy, like, a nice $30
bottle of wine, you know what I

mean. So there's

a good songwriter, Joe scotella,
yeah, and he works in the wine

industry too, and he's, he's
pretty good at finding good wine

that ain't expensive. Yeah, it's
nice. So you don't have to get

that 30 but it takes a lot of
trial and error. Yeah, you know,

something that is so kind of
sweet or, or doesn't have enough

acid in it, it just, it becomes
what they call insipid, yeah,

and, and, you know, you'll find
out, because you don't want a

second glass of it, yeah,
that's, well, they don't even

open these bottles.

They're still there. They're
sitting. What's your go to pizza

place? You're, I make my own
piece. You make your own. I

don't, but if you had, if I had
to,

who's the one that we have gone
to recently? Well, the Costco

pizza is not bad. It's not, not
horrible. Um, I can't, I'm not

going to say because, I mean, I
have delved into jet when I was

right, right? But I don't really
call that a good pizza.

It's quick. It's, yeah, Detroit
style, yeah, Detroit style. I

mean, we give a lot of money to
sell those here in Spring Hill,

yeah, Spring Hill

starting to get some
competition. We've got, you

know, if you ever heard of
Joey's house, yes,

and I have liked it, and it is,
but it's kind of gone. They're

not there anymore. That's the
reason they're they're out in

Murfreesboro. They've got a an
event space, and I can never

remember macabella or

Bella something at Riverside,
forgive me, oh,

Bella Napoli, something like the
monopoly. It's, it's it. I know

where it isn't. It's not

a restaurant. It's an event
space where they actually do

catering. Oh, Joey's house of
pizza catering, Joey and the

maca family will do it, but
they're from stat. They're from

Brooklyn, I want to say, yeah.
And I had them on my other pot,

my own podcast, and we had a
great conversation, because you

went there for the food and the
fights, the entertainment,

because they were only open for
lunch and dinner, and I think at

some point they stopped colorful
experience. Yeah. I mean, the

mother would be out there, and
the sister was, like, Maca is

her name is running around like
a ping pong ball, and just, you

know, getting people's orders,
grabbing pies, doing this, you

know, handing order. She's just
on on, vibrating on a different

level. Yeah, right. I mean,
while the mother is taking other

people's orders, she's a
sweetheart crescenza. And you

know, Joey's the only one who
could make the pizza. So you'd

be like, coming and be like, go
and get this thing over here.

What'd you get there? Hey,
honey, how are you What do you

love? That's good, Jim. Yeah,
nice kid. Saturday, wisely.

Early, just thank you. It was,
it was like that. Now, Sal's,

yeah, Nellies is the daughter,
not Sal's has nothing to do with

this. Nellies is the daughter of
Joey. Okay,

yeah. And everyone keeps
mentioning Vikings pizza. Here

Vikings, good, yeah.

He makes his own. Well, I make
my own. But I mean, if I had to

go out, I'd go out and I'd be
happy with what I get about it.

So I would

usually ask you the Fast Five,
which would usually include your

favorite color, your favorite
food, your favorite drink. But

we're not going to do it because
I know your favorite food and

your favorite drink is so Jim
has probably got to have some

interesting questions. What are
we calling

them down? We're calling it the
deep five.

All right, I'm gonna get down
deep. Forget

some music for it. Here we go.

What are you currently worried
about?

Getting out of here,

getting out, getting some good
Italian food.

That's not a problem. Yeah,
never has been. No

worries. No worries at all.

Oh, no worries. What are you
currently worried about? It was

really nice working at the
Union, and when I stepped down,

I've kind of let go of all my
worries. There you go. Kind of,

yeah, what

a great season of life. No, I'm

actually, what I just said is,
it's for real, yeah, and I'm not

worrying much. You know, I worry
about my wife's health. I worry

about my health. Health is a big
deal. If you don't have health,

you'd be so other than that, I'm
having a good time. What's

more, the unusual places that
you've been

unusual places

all the years of touring, well,
all user

touring Australia, China, you
know, looking back on our China

trip with Felix, you know, I, I
don't know if it would even be

the same, especially with this
haircut, because they were

really intrigued because of the
Boxer Rebellion. Yeah, you know,

they'd see me in the elevator,
and they'd be pointing at me and

giggling and stuff like that.
And I didn't know why, but then

I figured it out, yeah, Felix
and I both figured it out that

it was because they the people
that had these style hairdos. It

had to do with the Boxer
Rebellion, and then that was

ended, right? So they hadn't
seen this for a while, yeah?

So, yeah, guys, Vince, if you're
not watching, this has a It's

interesting. It's like a man
bun.

It's not a man bun, but it's,

it's just, it's, it's a
diminishing circle of hair, that

is, right?

It points, it's backwards. It's
a cool style. It's

so unique, right? Yeah, we'll do
one

more. What inanimate object
would be the most annoying if it

played loud, upbeat music while
being used.

Well, probably the elevator. Oh,

that's the one I was pretty deep
with the Muzak, you know? Oh

yeah, that's a little Girl from
Ipanema arranged for flute and

vibes.

That was deep

questions. Not bad. Well, hell,
I'll ask you this one, just

because it's going to get under
Jim's, what's your favorite

color? And if you're serious,
it's green. I hope it's not

blue, it's green. We get a lot.
Hey, yeah, yeah. Well,

I would say the other one is,
what's your favorite song of the

moment? Like, not of all time,
not an island, desert island

song, but at the moment, what's,
what's inspiring you?

Okay, I'll tell you. It's Jimmy
Hendrix, really anger. She

smile.

Go. Not golden rose. It's my

shining, metallic purple armor.
Queen jealousy, empty envy waits

behind him or her. Finally,
green ground. Here's at the

grassy grounds. Blue are the
lights with life giving waters

taken for granted. They quietly
understand once happy. Turquoise

armies lay opposite ready. They
wonder why the fight is. Bold as

Love,

access. Bold as Love. Bold as
low.

I love your process of
elimination. Had to get there.

Yeah, you know,

that's like, that's when someone
asks your social security

number. I have to say the whole
thing to get the last four

numbers. Well,

it's like,

I don't know how I had to do
this. For some reason, like,

somebody asked me a question,
and I would have to recite the

alphabet to get, like, it was
weird. I remember the question

would be, but

it was like, I could back the F,
Wow,

can you there's no way I could
do the the back alphabet away.

Yeah, right. Do

you spell race car backwards?
You can

R, A, C, E, E, C, A, R,

why was that so tough? Because
it's the same way forwards.

Oh, wow.

Otto, cool, Jim, you're pretty
smart for drummer,

you know, because of what's in
this cup. Yeah,

you know, I think is great.
Vince, is that I. Can't Believe

It's taken us 28 years to get
social. But you know, we have a

mutual friend with Dave Goodwin,
and he, you know, he was

romantic and producing a gal
named von Penn back in 1998 and

we ended up, I think you did
some recording with her. I ended

up doing some recording over at
Paul ebersoldt house in Memphis,

the producer. But for the most
part, I had to learn your drum

parts, and it's like a rite of
passage. When you first moved to

Nashville, you spend a lot of
time being given cassettes, CDs,

and of course, now MP threes and
Spotify links. Learn this. Learn

it no for note kid, you know.
And so I just, I was always a

fan of your drumming, and now
I'm a fan of you cool, man.

Great. Thank you. Thank you for
being here. And if kids want to

get in touch with you, got a
Vincent toro.com right? Yeah.

So, and then, Are you active on
the socials? Or I'm

going to be a little more active
than I normally am, but you

know, I'm going to reach out to
stuff on Facebook, through

Facebook, blue sky, Instagram,
yeah, you know, I'm gonna try

and do, do some little videos,
nothing elaborate. Well, you

could

probably make the rounds and do
like, you know, today in

Nashville and the local, you
know, morning shows to promote

your new record.

Comes out. Yeah, grab that old
footage of you doing your your

rap story. I

have a couple clips, and
they're, they're on my Vince

santoro.com site, right? Just
kind of let people know that

that's not a dead thing, that
that's still out there.

But I think if you pop, if you
fed that into your Facebook and

Instagram feed, tick tock. It
would give it tons of new life.

Yeah, cool. And then you'd be
booked all the time. You're

like, God, I got this one man
show thing again. I got to do

three times a week. Thanks a
lot, guys. Yeah, well, not

only that, it could be, it
could, know, you another vehicle

to sell the album. Well, that's,
that's what I

was hoping, is I'm gonna put all
these things out. You know,

there was another record that I
did with a billy Livesey. Do you

know Billy? Okay, and it's
called Little Vinny. And this

was the one that was mostly I
was just playing drums on a

session. He and Tia sillers, Tia
sellers, yeah, a lyricist, yeah.

They had written a bunch of
songs, and after I played drums

on all these tracks, he said,
Why don't we do a record where

you sing all the songs. So we
did that. So that little Vinny

thing is also going to be on my
site. So, you know, they all

kind of help each other, I
guess, yeah, to some degree,

that's fantastic.

And then people can check out,
I'm sure it's rat rascals or

Felix have larry.com look for
the look for a tour dates. And

they can see you, yeah, 40 times
this year, somewhere in this on

this globe of ours. And Jim, I
appreciate all your time and

talent. You're welcome. That was
super, super fun.

I deserve it. Yes, you do. He

does. He works hard. He really,
really does great job. Vince,

thanks for stopping by. You bet.
Man. Really do appreciate it.

And hey to all the listeners, we
really appreciate you. Hey,

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we're probably going to have

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promising we're gonna have

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thanks, Jim,

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