The Rich Redmond Show

Unknown: Have you tried the
morgenstein tool, the Morgan

tool, the Morgan tool. Hey, what
is it? God bless him, it's, it's

kind of like a, it's a, it's,
you know

how you kind of put your drum
sticks together to tighten lug

nuts and stuff. It's basically
that okay?

And it's selling for a premium.
I saw it at the drum show, and

it's flying off the show. I
talked to the guys over at 2112

percussion in Raleigh, North
Carolina, and I looked at the

price tag, and I was like, Are
you kidding me for this? And,

and they're like, Dude, we can't
keep them in stock. I'm so happy

for Rod, yeah, how cool. You
know what I mean to because to

get a to get a piece of
ancillary, you know, auxiliary

gear in the music business, to
get sticky, right? Like a big

fat snare drum, or a drum taco,
or a Mr. Muff, lug locks. Yeah,

any of that stuff

is difficult, very, very, I have
a Mr. Muff, yeah, it's cool. I

just like

saying it anyways. So the

thing is that, or you buy just
a, you know, a channel lock, but

it's not a Morgan tool, see,
channel lock can do the same

thing, yeah, but, but

we like rod, and we want him to
be successful. We do want

him to be successful. He's he's
retired from Berkeley, right,

tired from

Berkeley, still playing. She's
only 17, right.

Rod, what's up? Buddy show,
buddy left I would be too, yeah,

left handed. He's playing the
wrong

way. This is the rich Redman
show.

Apparently, we've started this
thing, Jim, you know, because

we're not supposed to reveal a
new media when we are actually

starting the podcast. That's the
new thing, yeah. But we do have

our mugs, we do which are not
dishwasher safe. Actually, they

are dishwasher safe, but they
have some raised a raised logo,

and it will disappear if you put
it in the dishwasher too much.

I'm talking about the iconic
rich Redmond

show coffee mug. These things
are flying off the shelves.

What's the code? Oh, gosh, fall
2025. Is it? Fall 2020 Yes, it's

this rich Redmond show.com. Use
the code. Fall

2025 it's been a minute or 25%
off? Yeah, the store, yeah, it

has

been a minute because we have
been so busy. I don't know what

it is about the fall, but the
schedule has been for Christmas.

What Christmas 2025 oh, yeah,
we're gonna or Xmas. That's,

that's so wrong. No, yeah. But
we, you know what, we got to re

release the Master series to
kind of like, buy us some time.

So we released episodes on
Lonnie Wilson, Eddie bears and

Paul lime. And these are the
OGs. And I went back and

listened to him, re listen to
him, and I learned a great

takeaway with Paul lime, get
there, always 30 minutes early.

Like, you know, his drums are
set up, ready to go. But he

always is there without fail. 30
minutes early, coffee in hand,

you know, shooting the shit with
everybody just ready to go.

You know, that's pushing it, 30
minutes early. I think an hour

early. Well, he's kind of a
slacker, I think.

I mean, what has he done,
really?

Yeah, yeah. He's just, he's just
starting his career. But today's

guest knows Paul knows Lonnie
knows Eddie. We all know each

other. We're as thick as
thieves. Hailing from Cleveland,

Tennessee, calling Nashville
home for 27 years. My guest

today, Garth justice has
performed, recorded with Casting

Crowns. TG, Shepherd, Jackie
Velazquez, Petra Engelbert,

humperdig, Michael English,
Ricky Skaggs, Jody Messina, the

list goes on and on, and most
notably, last several years,

since 2021 the queen of country
music, Reba McIntyre, that's our

new friend. Garth justice,
what's up? Man, rich, how you

doing? Thanks for being here.
Man, thanks for having me. You

got Spring Hill, Tennessee, I
drove past the sign today, since

Wow, that's surprising.

That little horse and buggies,
you

know, doesn't look a day over.
Well, 1811

even back then, they didn't have
any infrastructure. We're

overcrowded.

Oh, yeah. I mean these little
two lane streets, yeah, right,

wow.

Dirt roads, most likely back
then

at least, at least traffic still
bad. So, yeah, that's anywhere.

It's a Tennessee these days.

Yeah, there isn't, there is a
coalition out here. We've got,

you know, Dave Santos, the great
bass player. Yeah, we've got

Evan Hutchings is like a stone's
throw from me, John spittle.

John spittle is here. Scott
Williamson's down here. Scott

Williamson, yeah, our

friend, the bass player. We had
on, not Louise, but

we had him on, Matt. Matt, Matt.
Matt.

Have to. He came on with
sunglasses. He was a great guy.

He lives right down the road
from me. Dang it nice.

And you know what we get? We got
to take our ginkgo Balboa. I've

been taking it,

taking my ginkgo Balboa. What

is that guy's name? Mean, but
with, like, what is his resume?

Ellsworth. Ellsworth,

gosh, my God, Jim, this is
really tanking. And he was so

cool. Yeah, no. Definitely loved
him. So Garth, you know, we have

been in this, this, like, circle
and scene of your drums over

there, drum

paradise, right? They were,
yeah, I'm with sound check now,

yeah, you

moved over there, closed Sony.
I've been with every Cartridge

Company and dang tank, you know,
and a lot of them are closed

now, right? But I would see your
name over there, drum Paradise,

and I would be like, Oh my God,
we've got to get together. I

mean, do something. And, you
know, here it is, I've been

you've been here 27 years. I've
been here 28 years, and you were

telling me you have a beautiful
home studio. We kind of lived

over in the same hood together,
right, right, yeah, yeah. So,

what's, what's a typical day for
you? Are you cranking out five

songs a day, every day? What's,
what's the thing? Boy,

it really varies quite a bit.
You know, there are, you know,

the demo sessions where it's,
you know, 2530 songs for the

day. I think 31 is my top Yes,
for a single day. Wow. 21 for

me. A Keith follows, which is
crazy. This is a, you know,

buddy Hyatt. Oh yeah. Oh gosh.
Love that guy. And he just

cranks him out and knows how to
do it. I hope he's doing okay,

buddy, yeah, yeah. He's doing
great. Okay. He's doing great.

He's still killing it. But, you
know, get, get a bunch of

players in the room, one pass,
maybe a couple fixes, maybe a

guitar solo, and move on to the
next

song. Now, are you doing full,
full tracking in your place?

Yeah, yeah.

And then, and then other days,
you know, there are those days

it's, you know, 31 songs, but
there, there are days that are,

you know, a couple songs and
spend a lot of time and get

everything right.

Now, if you're doing a full
tracking band at your place,

like I know, Tony Moore does
that a little bit, maybe Scott

Williamson does it a little bit.
But do you all? Do you have an

engineer there?

So no, I engineer all. I
engineer most of the stuff at my

place. I've got a remote rig set
up by the drums. Wow. So

that means you're punching
everyone the fixes. So you're a

master of

all the DAWs. I don't know about
that, but I mean, because you

have to be fast, yeah, you do
well, I a little, a little trick

I've learned is to set the set
your markers up before you ever

walk into the drums. Set the
markers up for the session. You

know, look through the chart.
Set your verses, your choruses.

So when somebody asks for a I
want the second chorus, you go

right to it, yeah, you get to
it. So, yeah, just little tricks

like,

now, how did you learn Pro
Tools? Was it a thing like, Oh,

my God, I better jump on this
bandwagon and get left behind.

First question, yeah, what was
the first dog that you learned?

Oh, Pro Tools, yeah. Was it Pro
Tools? It was, what would do?

What were you doing prior to
that? Did you cut and splice

tape

with? You know, my first couple
sessions that I played on, I

never engineered to tape. My
first couple sessions I played

on were to tape. But then when I
started engineering, producing,

mixing, that kind of thing, we
were on ADATs.

So yeah, so that was like the
precursor to digital as we know

it,

yeah. I mean, technically
digital tape, but yeah, still

kind of fraught with peril. Yes,
exactly. Was

there anything intimidating
about Pro Tools when he first

got into it that

you remember just the, you know,
learning the interface, you

know, learning the how long

it take you? Well,

gosh, I think I'm still
learning. But no, what I did the

first Pro Tools rig that I had
was bought by the band I was

traveling with at the time,
corporate entertainment band

that brought me to town. And I
got, I got the rig set up, and I

was like, Okay, well, I don't
really have anything to do, so I

opened up a I imported a CD
track, and I opened up every

plugin in the list. Just, let's
see what I can do. Yeah, and I

would cut stuff up and move it
around. And, you know, just try

to try to create. It's good
practice. Yeah, it was good. It

was good

training. That's what I did,
because it was, it all the way

back when it's called Sound
toys,

this would have been, this would
have been 2000 so not it would I

think Pro Tools five was the
first, the first version i You

ever hear of. Saw software.
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We are glad you're here. What?
What? Who put the sticks in your

hand? Well, my uncle was a
drummer. My dad's youngest

brother was a drummer, and he
had drums set up in my

grandparents house when I was,
when I was born, yeah? And so at

about two years old, I made my
way down there and just, you

know, kind of tapping around. So
that's very young, yeah, yeah.

So, I mean, you know that I
didn't have any necessary

talent, you know, yeah, from a
very young age, I really loved

the drums. But

then what was the thing? Well,
you know, we might be around the

same age. So were you a child of
MTV or what?

Okay, yeah, yeah, I loved, I
loved watching MTV. I think, if

I remember correctly, the first
video I ever saw was Motley Cruz

looks at kill so, I mean, yeah,
come on

and now, are you Martha Quinn or
Nina Blackwood?

Gosh, I, I don't remember that
far back rich.

Okay, so Martha Quinn was like,
she looked like a little pixie.

Had this. She had the cute,
little sassy haircut. And then

there was Nina Blackwood, who
was blonde, and she talked like

she was gargling with razor.

Okay, I've done most of my work
in town in the contemporary

Christian sec,

how did you find yourself in
that genre,

in the in the contemporary Oh,
and that, well, I grew up in

church. I'm a church kid, yeah,
grew up, you know, playing in

church, seven, eight years old,
something like that. The drummer

didn't show up for Sunday night
service, and so they said, Hey,

Garth, could you play drums
tonight? And you know, I was off

to the races. So, like I said,
from very young age, just loved

the drums. Loved everything
drumming and drums. So

how old were you when that
happened started

seven or eight? When the when
the Sunday night thing happened?

Yeah, I can't remember. My mom
would be able to tell you. So

at that point, were you like,
Could you play? I kept a beat,

you know,

I would not want to hear the
tape of that service if it

exists

anywhere. Humbling, going back
to those oh my god, set demo

cassettes, right? Yeah, yeah.
Did you get rid of your I got

rid of all my

cassettes. Finally, yeah, yeah.
You know what I by. By the time

I started collecting music, it
was all on CD, so I had a few

tapes, but not much. It's

really funny when someone you
play on their record, and they

sign a CD over to you, and you
look at it, and you go, I have

no way to play, right, right?

Yeah. We still, I have a
corporate entertainment band,

and we still sell CDs at the at
the table, yeah. And people

still buy them. You know, my
wife bought a new car last year,

2020 and not new, new to us, and
it's got a six CD changer in it.

Really 2020 Yeah, really crazy.
I thought you're gonna say it

didn't have a CD player, right?
No, mine doesn't. My car

doesn't, but, yeah, I mean, does
yours nothing?

Because they're actually doing
away with am radio next? Wow.

Jim likes, Jim was in radio, and
so he is planting his flag with

the idea that radio is going

away. It's not going away. I
think it's gonna stick around.

Just, do you think terrestrial
radio is going away, or is it?

Well, I don't think it'll never
go away, because it's needed for

a public service, sure that, God
forbid anything happens. It is

we're supposed to have radio
stations or the worlds or

anything like that. Yeah,
exactly. Radio stations. I think

music stations are going away.
Yeah. I think they're gonna

Yeah, that makes

sense, yeah. Well, did you see
that MTV and VH one pulled all

of their music programming.
They're only going to 20

years ago. But I thought

they're going out of business. I
thought they stopped like MTV

just went off the

air. Really, I would have
thought there had been a bigger

deal

about that. I remember, maybe it
was an AI article. Who the hell

knows? How

do you know what we're reading
is the truth? Right? Exactly.

Spend a two hour conversation on
that, right? Yeah. I

mean, that's real. That's a real
scary word. World. Living it is

it really, is it is MTV
shutting. Sorry, I didn't get

much sleep last night. I can't
put my my articulation is not

happening today. We're

drummers. It's our paramount.
Confirms MTV shutdown. Wow. Two

days ago.

Holy cannoli.

Speaking of which, it's not a
very I don't know if it's a

compelling story, but do you and
the bride, like binge shows. I

mean, are you? Are you a Netflix
Hulu Binger

company? Yeah, we'll generally
have a show or two that we're

watching together or with some
friends. So, yeah, we're in. Oh,

shoot. I can't remember the name
of the show we're watching with

friends right now, but we've got
one episode left, and it's been,

like a month, and we haven't
been able to get together with

our friends. And so black rabbit
die. No, it's shoot, it's a it's

an English show. It's fantastic.
And I can't remember the name.

Anyway,

yeah, they got that channel Brit
box, which all British

programming. Oh, nice. Yeah,
nice. Very polite, yeah, very

polite network. But no, I
recommend black rabbit on

Netflix. That was incredible.
What cool story? Jude Law and

someone else,

yeah, some very attractive
person. We don't know who it is.

That's amazing. Jim is doing the
thing. He's trying to track down

what happened well, because

there's, there's like, an
article that says, you know, MTV

is not shutting down, and it's
like the Dayton Daily News and

the car. The article that I got
before was from Hindustan Times.

That's in Kentucky, right? Yeah,
I'm pretty sure think it's right

next to Cleveland. Yeah, it very
well, maybe a suburb of

Cleveland, Tennessee.

What's life like in Cleveland,
Tennessee, to get back there,

you still have

some Yeah, my mom and dad still
live there. Still active in

church. It's a, it's a, it's a
church town. Yeah, number one,

in a college town. Number two,
the Lee University's there.

You're right there. So that's
where you went to school. So

what? What happened between you
jumping up at seven or eight

years old on the drums at
church, to you studying music at

Lee University,

really just playing in church
and and played all through

middle school and high school,
marched, played in the jazz

bands. Yes, any opportunity I
could get to play, you know,

travel play. Yeah, there were
several college groups around

Cleveland that would, that would
do weekend tours, and I'd go out

with them sometimes or or a
summer long tour, you know. So,

you know, just any opportunity I
had to play, I was trying to

find those opportunities.

I like, I because I've listened
to a couple other interviews you

did, and I was always impressed
with you, you know, you're the

you read, you play styles, and
you did the big band, and you

did classical and marching. And
I think that's important. It's

really cool. You know,

I've enjoyed it. I, you know, I
got him chip Hancock in in

Chattanooga taught me to read at
very young age. You know, I was

probably eight or nine when I
started taking drum lessons, and

he's still teaching in
Chattanooga, great guy and so

and then reading, reading in
church. I was reading some of

the orchestra pieces, you know,
that were actually coming out of

Nashville, and some of the
choral music that was coming out

of Nashville that was all legit
charts. You know, there, there

weren't, we didn't know what the
number system was back then. So

all those were legit charts. And
I, I had to figure out how to,

how to read all those things,
yeah, what

are all these this? What's all
this spilled coffee? Exactly,

right, exactly coffee grounds
and like. So who were your guys?

Who were you guys? I Recaro,

yeah, I was big, big Carl fan, a
Carlos Vega, you know,

untouchable. Both those

guys. What a shame, yeah, way
too soon. Way too soon.

Way too soon, both of them,
yeah.

But then, you know, I, I loved
all those la guys, you know, the

New York guys, Gad and all those
guys, but I was enamored with

the Nashville scene from, from,
you know, one of my earlier

probably my next drum teacher
after chip Hancock was guy named

Mike Childers, who's local guy.
He played with Carrie Underwood

and public town. And, you know,
I think he manages Scotty

McCarthy now, oh, he got into
management. Great, great

drummer. And, yeah, it doesn't
his brother Mark. Mark is still

carries. MD, so Mike was your
teacher. That's great, yeah. So

he was teaching me a school, and
turned me on to mark Hammond,

and said, Hey, find anything you
can this guy has played on. And

so, man, I just, I devoured
everything he he played on.

And Mark and John Hammond, yeah,
and they're local, and they're

busy, yeah, never run into them.
Yeah, I we got to get them on

the show. We got to get

them. Oh, man, yeah, you got to.
I mean, if you can get it would

be listen both of them. I would
listen to the whole thing

multiple times if you got both
those guys. So they're heroes.

They're absolute heroes. And
through Mark, I was exposed to

John. And through John, I was
exposed to Scott Williamson,

Brewster, you know, eventually
need him all the all the greats

around here, Tony Mora, all
those guys. So, yeah. So I

started trying to find
everything I could find that

Mark played on and John. On as
well. So in Cleveland, there was

a, there's a studio, when I was
growing up, and they would, they

would do some, some of the
choral print stuff that was

local to Cleveland. And they
would hire Nashville musicians

to come down. And rather than
pay the drummer to bring a kit

down, they would rent my drums,
which, God love them. They were,

they were old Ludwig rocker, you
know, birch Not, not a

great kid, but hey, you're
pretty savvy. Renting your kid

out as a young man, I

say rent. I don't think they
ever paid me anything,

but at least I went and set them
up for free too. So, yeah, no,

but, but John came. John would
come down and do do sessions in

Cleveland, and my parents,
knowing that this is kind of

what I wanted to do with my
life. Would let me skip school

and go hang the session, which
was really cool. So I met John

that way, met several of the
other Nashville musicians that

way, and met Scott Williamson
that way. So that was a, you

know, they were both very
influential in telling me, Hey,

if you want to move to
Nashville, you should do it.

Yeah? You should try it. So

encouraging, yeah, I like that,
because the flip side of that is

a lot of people saying, Hey,
man, don't right, you know? I

mean, a common form of advice
now is, don't do it, unless you

can't picture your life without
your music. Sure, you know what

I mean, because it's just such a
hard road.

Yeah, when you met with Scott
Williamson, because we've, we've

had him on before, yeah, and
he's, yeah, I just listed his

episode. Dare I say, friend of
ours? Yes, absolutely. He's,

he's one of those people that
like you're being funny, but Are

you being serious, right? Right?
He has any kind of do that to

you.

Sardonic wit, though. Oh, yeah.
Sardonic, good, good. Word,

right, yes.

Insult, right, yeah. Like he's
talking about the first time

meeting him real quick, if you
have,

okay, well, this, it's, it's,
it's funny. Listening to his

episode, he was talking about
some of the production stuff he

had done. My mom and dad both
worked at the local church

bookstore there in Cleveland.
And so I would after school, I'd

always go over to, you know,
wait on my mom to get done with

work or whatever. So I was
looking around one day, and I

found this new artist, you know,
brand new artist, four girls

called point of grace, yeah,
yeah. And I was like, Oh, that's

cool. They're, you know, girl
group for him was big then, I

don't know you remember those
guys for him was big then. So it

was, like, a, okay, maybe a
female for him then. So I bought

the, bought the CD, and put it
in my car and just it was a

Wednesday night because I was
late to church, because I

listened to the whole record
twice, sitting in my car, just

blown away. And Scott had
produced that record and played

on it, yeah, and I was like, Who
is this guy? This crazy, just,

you know, really, really great
stuff. Anyway, a week later, he

came and did a session in
Cleveland, and so I met him, and

he was, he was very funny, very,
very dry, you know, immediately,

immediately caught that, but
he's the guy that actually I was

a weckle Freak. Little splashes.
Yeah, of course, still got

little splashes. Come on. But
you know, so somebody had said

that I was really into weckle.
And he said, Hey, if you're, if

you're into weckle, have you
checked out? Vinnie, yeah. And I

was like, Well, yeah, I've heard
of any. He said, check out,

Vinnie. And just completely
opened my eyes, yeah, Vinnie,

Paul for some Well, yeah,

Vinnie, call you to

Yeah. So the night Walker record
and yeah, Joe's Garage, all the

stuff.

And that was right around the
time of 10 summoners tales. So

yeah, making five, four sexy,
right? Five, or was it seven?

That was five. That was five.
Seven days is in five. Seven

days is

in five. That's a big Have You
Heard you need to Google this if

you haven't heard it, seven days
in seven, four, ooh, or seven,

eight. Who does it? I don't
know. It's some guy on YouTube.

Yeah, plays it in seven.

Marcus Finney does some of that
stuff, right? He'll mess with

that. Yeah, it's a it's a fun
exercise. I feel like my playing

over the years has just gotten
stupider and stupider. I'm just

heading more and more towards
Phil red,

it's crazy. You play for field.
My brother even asked me. He

goes, Hey, would you ever play
in a rush tribute band? I said,

Hell no. He goes, really? I
said, No, I would. Why would I

want to do that? I said, Once
upon a time, I said, Can I pull

it off?

There's some videos of that dude
that sings at the same time?

Oh, they got the new world men,
I think is what they're Yeah,

they dress in the orange
jumpsuit, jump shoots jumpsuit.

Again, that guy sings and plays.
Yeah, he's a beast, yeah. Well,

and pretty big rush news in the
last weeks, yeah, talk about

that. Annika Niles,

she's nice. I've. Met her over
the years, couple times at

conventions. Percussive artist,

I'm excited about she's gonna
crush, yeah, absolutely.

I'm afraid that, like she's
gonna cry. She's gonna play it

better than Neil,

dude, people are gonna start
having you in the cross

explain. Okay, he was, he was a
trailblazer, yes, okay, he

wasn't really all that much of
like a technician, as we know,

as a weckle, or a kaleida or,
you know, Carter Beaufort and

stuff like that, you know. But
come on, there are cats out

there that could smoke him,
sure, and play circle. He just

happened to be first in the mind
for the general masses, you

know. I think when you think of
drummers, people know,

generally, not drummers, but
general mass audience, yes.

Who's gonna come to mind? Neil
Pierre, John Bonham, Phil

Collins, Phil Collins, Chad
Smith, right?

Chad Smith, everywhere. He's got
a great publicist.

God. So there you go. But I
mean, I think in that, in that

sense, he's like the

every man's drummer.

Yes, Neil. Neil had power. Neil
had precision. He had creativity

too. He had creativity parts the
finesse of a Vinnie or a weckle

or a gad. Yeah, that's that
wasn't his testimony. You know

what? I mean, that that wasn't,
that wasn't what he was going he

wasn't a flamboyant player. I
think Annika will bring some of

that finesse to his parts. Now,
see, Neil was the first drummer

that I ever realized was playing
a part, a drum part. Yes, they

composed. He composed it, and he
tried to play the same thing

perfectly every night, right,
right? Where I'd never play the

same thing twice, you know,
yeah? Like, Oh, okay. So he was

the first guy that I ever
realized did that.

Yeah, just cool. So you don't
play, like, if you, if you're

playing with a band that you've
recorded with, you don't

duplicate the fills or anything

like, really, no, I've only been
asked to do that one time.

I was filling in for Jody
Messina, and she likes those

parts we were rehearsing, yeah,
well, and what she said made a

whole lot of sense, and it
wasn't offended at all. But she

she stopped in, like the second
or third song, and she said,

Hey, I gotta ask, could you play
the fills from the record? I

said, Yeah, no problem. She
said, I take my vocal cues, or,

you know, I get cues from those
fills, yes. So I took the lunch

break and I I charted out every,
every fill Lonnie played on the

record, yes. So

yeah, cuz our fire buddy Elton
Charles, was out with her, yeah.

And he's like, I gotta play
those fills the same

every day they open for us on on
the first leg of the little

player. Elton, gosh, he's
fantastic,

good little player. He really
is. I mean, there's some guys

that you don't hear about every
day that are out there crushing

it.

Yeah, he's gonna be a monster. I
mean, like, not. He's already a

monster. He's going to be
recognized as a monster in this

town.

Yes, getting back to Annika,
though, yeah, she's got a tough

job ahead of her. She does. She
can do it now.

See, I'll be honest, I haven't
heard the hate that I've I've

seen people talking about, I'm

really, I'm really happy. I
don't even know her, and I'll

tell her this to her face, I am
so happy for you. Massively, oh

my gosh,

massively happy. Don't you

agree that? Mean, you know she's
if she changes up any of those

parts, oh, it's gonna be hell to
pay. It's gonna be

it's gonna be interesting to
see. It's

gonna be a lot of air drumming
dudes in that arena? Are we

getting our tickets? Jim, are we
gonna have like, a guy's night?

Are we gonna go? You got a
couple of grand? Are they that

expensive?

Yeah, they're crazy. They

added they added dates, I guess
another 17 dates.

We were talking like a grand for
a ticket. No, you're talking

sometimes like five to 10 on the
floor especially. Is that legal?

Well, someone's buying them and
turning around and selling them,

right? They put out. They
specifically said, Look, get in

line at Ticketmaster and make
sure they get them from the

source with the prices that they
have. Because these guys are,

yeah, because usually, back in
the day, when I would want to,

like, go see a show, you'd go to
the ticket master booth, yeah,

at Dillards, yes.

And they print them up right
there

for you. Yes, yeah. Does that
still happen? No, no, no, no,

it's online. I All I remember is
that when Courtney got the

tickets for Taylor Swift, she
could buy up to six, okay, and

she's like, I just want to buy
three and blah, blah. I think

the grand total, I think it ran
us about 800 about 850 bucks for

three tickets. Wow. And then she
goes, she let me know when she

got them, and I said, did you
get all six? No, I only bought

three. I'm like, oh, because
what

you want to turn them around?
Hell, yeah,

dude, I could have charged like,
three grand a ticket. Dang.

You know, consumerism, right?
Yeah, absolutely, it's the name

of the game. No, I'm incredibly
happy for her. And I feel like

we're used to females being in
the music industry as front

people, but I feel like she's
gonna move the needle a decade

ahead for female side people,
yeah, you know what? I mean? Oh,

I hadn't even thought. About
that. Think, yeah, it's great,

you know, I think

that's a great thing. You think
she's gonna be a side person? Do

you think they'll make her a
part of the band?

God, who knows what the business
deal is?

Question, yeah, that's a good
question. I mean, either way,

I'm sure she's making a pretty
betting. Oh yeah, yeah, good for

her. Because I don't think they,
I don't think they don't need

the money.

She's gonna be living in a
German castle

with a moat and alligators in
the moat.

Madamonica, you just sounded
like Arnold. He's Austrian.

She's got to live in a German
castle. Oh, my God, she got to

be sitting there with her
tapestries. So,

you know, back to the Hammond
brothers, just because I don't

want to let that go, if somebody
wanted to check those guys,

wanted to check those guys out,
what are the seminal recordings?

Oh, gosh, they probably have
some, some holy grail.

Yes, absolutely. Well, for for
me, one

of John's best recordings is the
West King album, The robe.

There's a song on there in
particular called, I believe

that he just kills, yeah, good
lord. And then probably my

favorite John Hammond track is
from a Phillips Craig and Dean

record, and it's called Mercy
came running, and it's him and

Jimmy Lee, slowest playing bass
and just the most unique drum

part, brilliant Drum and Bass
interaction. Yeah, so that's for

John. Gosh, yeah, those are a
couple of great ones. Also the

dogs of peace records. Have you?
Have you heard those? No, I got

I gotta do like a deep dive dogs
a piece. It's him and Jimmy Lee

and Blair and Gordon Kennedy.
Wow, yeah, that's, it's a, it's

a series. They've got two
records, one from probably 1520,

years ago, and one from about
five

years ago. Jimmy Lee is such an
aw shucks type guy, right? I

gave you know, when you try to
compliment, I mean, he's just a

world class musician, yeah, he's
like, ah shucks, I know, right?

It's kind of like you ah shucks.

A lot of the greats are, right?

You are so that way.

Well, I mean, it's, oh, thank
you very much. It's very off

putting to be the other way. You
know,

that's something I need to be.
It's not attractive. I need to

get off putting

go to sugar free. He totally
sugar free jello.

Stuff, pretty good. The guy in
our band that does the dad jokes

is Jack Sizemore. He's our, you
know,

okay, he's a dad. He's

he really loves the puns. The

puns are very we could

count on rich stick to it. Can't
beat him. I mean, he loves him.

Oh, he loves them.

Oh, I've got a, I've got an
ongoing thread with Jeff King

and Jacob Lowry and Carmella
Ramsey from the Reba band. Yeah,

we, we always share dad jokes.
So it's, it's, it's a constant,

like almost daily occurrence
that somebody posts a dad joke

that's amazing. And same thing
with my sister. I exchange dad

jokes with my sister and her two
girls. What's your sister do?

She is a well, she was a
pharmacy technician for a long

time. She's actually gone into
the legal side of Big Pharma.

Yeah, right. So I'm not exactly
sure what her job entails, but

it's relating to
pharmaceuticals. Yes, yeah,

that's good business, yeah. Oh
my gosh. You

mentioned Germany before I
actually knew a German sound

engineer. Yeah. Let's put a time
I knew a check one too, as well.

Oh my God in heaven. Oh

God. So I was, you know, when we
were just about to start, we

were talking about, you know,
your road versus your studio

tan. And when you do the road
with Reba Mason, how many dates

a year? You guys? Do

you know the first year? 2022 I
think we did.

45 maybe dates,

very manageable. Yeah, yeah. 23

maybe that's around the same
number. She took 2024, off to to

tape. And then this year we did
maybe 20, yeah. And then she

took the back half of the year
to record happy's place and the

voice. So she's been on the West
Coast since June or July. Do you

have to do the fills? No, that's
great. No, no, it's it was

surprisingly easy transitioning
into that band. Yeah, of course,

I did a lot of homework, but I
only had like, a week and a half

to to learn the stuff, you know,
after we after it was confirmed

I was in the band. So, you know,
I charted everything out. And

it's cool to have a little iPad
up there with some carrots

or whatever. Yeah, nice. Yeah,
that's, that's been nice. So

it's always nice.

I do need to make the transition
I've been getting. I've been

watching all the sort of footage
of all these drum clinics I do,

and I've got the giant music
stand with the notebook and

people. But it's like, I don't
trust the iPad. I mean, sure.

What if it dies? What if the sun
gets on it? What if it

right? I get it? I get it. But
what if the wind blows and blows

all your charts. I

got my clothes pins on there and
the Crown Royal bag. Yeah,

right.

What if a little drop coming off
of a leaf hits the sun just

right, and then all of a sudden
light your notebook? Oh, see?

Yeah, I guess you can really get
into some final destination

stuff here, right, just in time.
But that's a thought about that.

What we're gonna do for
Halloween is I'm gonna put the

original John Carpenter on.
That's five, four done, 10,

counting, ding, Dan, Dan, yep.
It's like an update to take

five, three plus two duple. And
so I'm gonna have that on in the

back, and then My gal is just
gonna be dressed totally normal.

But there's gonna be a chance.
Gonna be a chain, and when the

kids open the door, she's gonna
pull me off and I'm gonna have

one of those spirit Halloween
masks, you know, with the yak

hair and everything. And I'll be
like, take one. That's gonna

get old after about 10 minutes.
Yeah, I know you're gonna be

like, just, just take the damn
candy. I

got some. I got some kids pretty
good with our ring doorbell.

Last year, they came door. You
know, the porch light is off.

They came rang the doorbell. So
I, you know, I get a

notification on my phone, and I
activated the phone. I said, Go

away. It's amazing, great idea.
That is a fantastic over drove

your mic there. They're good.

So, so back to Reba. We are all
over the place. What is it like

working with you know, this is
really crazy, because she's a

singer, she's an actress, she's
an entertainer, entertainment

mogul. Yeah, she's had two, I
believe, two sitcoms, but I

mean, 70 million records
worldwide now, 100 singles. I

don't know how many went number
one, sure, but when you're

choosing from 100 singles to put
a show together, you know the

rule in a, usually modern
country concert going is, leave

them wanting more, give them 90
minutes. Is that what you guys

do? 90 so you're looking at
Rick's, 24 songs. 25 songs.

Is it the same set list the
entire year?

Generally, we'll change things
up about every six months. Or

that's how we that's how we, we
did it. Yeah, so, and generally,

there's a, there's a medley of
some medley, not Reba songs in

there. So she did like a gospel
little gospel medley. Of course,

she did a gospel record. So I
guess those technically, yeah,

are her songs. Little gospel
medley in there. We had, you

know, we, we had worked up a
couple of her number ones that

it eventually didn't make the
make the show. Does he love you?

Was one that got cut, wow, like
the week of our first show, and

I was, I was kind of shocked. Of
course, the vocalist who was

singing with her got sick for
our first show. So maybe that,

that, you know, played a part.
But it never background singer,

yeah, it was Carmella Ramsey.
Something happened and she got,

she got sick and missed a missed
a show, or couldn't sing, I

guess she she still played great
field player, but yeah, so that

one never made it back in which
was one of her biggest hits,

yeah, you know, yeah, it's, it's
really interesting. You know,

seeing the set list every time
and, okay, there's a new one,

there's a new there's a new song
that wasn't even a single that

she just really likes, so an
album cut that she'll throw in.

So I love it. So it's not all
the number, yeah.

And then Jeff King, love that
guy. What such positivity. You

know, occasionally when I find
him in a session, he's just so

happy to be there, absolutely
creative, encouraging, positive

energy. And that Jacob Lowery, I
don't know if we have met in the

flesh, but I do enjoy his side.
Man Chronicles, he has a

podcast. Yes, it's very
dramatic. It's the side. Man

Chronicles,

you should have him on your
podcast, on just kvetch about

making podcasts. Yes, see,

I might know something about
that. Yeah,

Jim, 20 podcasts, I don't know
how you do

Jacob's fantastic. We actually,
we were hired at the same time

and as a team, because you guys
worked together all the time.

Well, we

didn't even know the other had
been hired. I thought Mark Hill

was still, still in the band,
and he and Trey gray left to

stick it out with Brooks and
Dunn Yeah. So anyway, I show up

to a session. I'm waiting to
hear from management, you know,

if I've, if I've got the gig, or
whatever. And Jacob walked in,

he gets set up, and we played
through the first song and and

he says, after the first song,
he said, Garth, anything new in

your life? I was like, Well,
funny, you should ask, but I'm

kind of, I'm waiting to hear if
I got the Reba gig. He's like, I

mean, he looked like he'd seen a
ghost. He said, I am too. Are

you kidding me? No, oh yes. It
was like a call. No, this did

listen. This was for me, at
least. I don't know how exactly

it worked with Jacob, but for
me, at least, it was a Jeff King

recommendation, nice. And so we.
Waited, Jacob and I waited that

whole day. You know, in between
songs, do you hear anything?

God, you could have text nothing
at the end of the day, we both

got a text saying, Hey, you're
in the band. Yeah, man, but

yeah, Jeff. Jeff had called me
about a week before that. I was

actually on my way downtown to
sub the smoking section. Show

you familiar with the smoking
section? Yeah, do tell us to

makers started it back in the
day. It's, it's a funk horn band

all the great RnB hits Aretha
Shaka, all that stuff Chicago,

whatever. Anyway, it's a heavy
book, and I was really nervous

about playing the show that
night, because I was subbing for

John Hammons, the regular
drummer, heavy book, and I was

nervous, and I looked down, and
Jeff's calling me, and I sent

him to voicemail, and he sends
me a text. He says, answer your

phone. Okay, sorry, so I called
him back. He said, Hey, Reeve is

looking for a drummer. Would you
mind if I put your name in the

hat, I said, No. I mean, what's
the what's the schedule? Like,

you know, what's it? I don't
want to be gone a whole lot. So

he told me, and it sounded
great. And I'm thinking,

there's, there's, there's got to
be 100 other drummers are

looking at. And there were a
few, but I got the gig so nice.

Very thankful. Just just on his
recommendation.

So what's the first like,
practice, rehearsal with the

mic,

yeah. How much does she rehearse
for a tour? Because you hear

about these, like, the pinks of
the world. They're like, we do a

month without the dancers, we do
a month with the dancers. I'm

like, I'd be burnt out,

if I remember correctly. We did
a week of just the band, maybe,

maybe four or five days. And
then she came in for about three

days, and then we went up to
Evansville, Kentucky and did two

days for rehearsals in the arena
where we did our first show.

Nice, yeah, it's great.

That's a common thing to go to
the opening place and set up and

do a couple days.

You kind of did that, like one
last time we did your tour kit

breakdown.

People are so mad. They want to
know what these drums are. And

let me just tell you, folks,
it's always the same. I just

change the finish. I go from a
black sparkle to a red sparkle

to a black and red sparkle to a
matte black to a piano black,

same sizes,

same configurations. You still
have all those kits.

Yeah, you can ask me if I need
them or if I use them.

I, you know, I was No, that's
funny, maybe, yeah, Jim, you

know how long I've been doing
this for free, or,

Jim, you got it? You get a lot
of gear.

I got the second hand
drumsticks. Love it.

Oh, tons of crack symbols. There
you go. Yeah, you know, like

crack symbols. And when I go up
there to see his kid, I'm like,

dude, be careful. Don't cut
yourself on there. They look

like murder

gave them to me, right?

I know, but you really cracked
him. I mean, you kept it going

well, I mean, it's tough to stop
a crack. I know. I did the whole

keyhole drill thing. It doesn't
work. Yeah, I tried to patch it

up with some gaff tape, and even
even

shaving the symbol out, doesn't
really work. No, because it's

sharp, the crack is, yeah, yeah.

I love the fact that they have
warranties on symbols. I went to

forks and I bought a pisty, oh,
it's got a two year warranty.

I'm gone. Really, they actually
have warranties on these things.

I guess it's

pretty crazy. I didn't know
that. I mean, you're talking to

a Sabian and Zildjian guys.
Yeah, yeah. You don't have a

whole lot of ground here.

Zildjian one of the oldest
companies in America, oldest

company in America, the oldest
company in America.

Pretty cool now is Sabian kind
of this, like, you know, young,

it's a young company, Young.
There were, like, the America of

the world, or the Sabian, the
Canada of the world, Canada of

the world.

But isn't like Sabian, kind of
like, you know, Zildjian, me

too, in a way, like

Zildjian, no, no. Children,
yeah, it is. It is. And they've

got their own voice,

different alchemy, and yeah,
they,

it was, what the 80s they
started, yeah, because I

remember the advertisements, and
Rod morgenstein was a big yeah

endorser for them, Harvey Mason,
I'll yeah, I was, I was a die

hard pasty guy back because of
Alex. Hey, nothing wrong with

that. No, I say I like Sabian. I
was just messing

past is a good rock and roll
symbol. I mean, if you're gonna

go classic, you go get me some
vintage Ludwig drums and some

pasty giant beats.

Yeah, right. I have no idea what
even those mean. I know, like

the 3000s

Yeah, are good. They got dark
symbols now, like Steve Jordan

plays super

dark signature, I have a
signature crash, 2020, inch

crash. Everybody's making great
stuff. I will say there's

probably maybe, like four or
five brand new companies that

are on the scene. They're not so
great. But if you stay with, you

know, if you stay in the in the
Big Four, yeah, you know, what

are the big four? You know, you
got children, sabe and pasty and

mineral mine are because.

Yes, I interviewed one of the
guys who owns one of the newer

companies. I'm going, Dude,
you've got some freaking cojones

starting a symbol company,
you're going

up against, like, I mean, it can
be done. I mean, in the

automotive sector, they've,
they've shown it can be done

going up against the big three.
I mean, for a symbol company,

that's, that's a man, I have

to say in in almost, excuse me,
sorry, I'm a drum nerd. I've got

a huge collection of drums and
cymbals. I love, I love to buy

gear. And so in every city I go
to, I try to find a drum shop or

a local music store. And in nine
out of 10 drum shops that I find

outside of Nashville, most of
the new symbols they have are

smaller companies. Interesting.
Yeah, wow, it's very

interesting. Badges. Drum shop
in Cincinnati is fantastic shop,

by the way, but almost all their
symbols, I mean, they have

plenty of zilchin and feisty and
Sabian, but they have a huge

selection of these custom made
symbols, small, small batch, you

know, one off symbols. And those
are a lot of fun to play, yeah,

you know,

well, so that's your thing.
Like, everyone's got a thing on

the road. Like, some people like
to go buy, you know, vintage

clothing, or find the, try to
find the most extreme Mom and

Pop coffee house. But I like to
combine the coffee house with

the where's the drum shop thing,
and then, so do you have the

discipline to not buy a snare
drum? Or is it

like it's, it's white knuckling?
Sometimes I love to buy drums

and cymbals. Well, I

saw a little video with Joe
Carroll from Treasure Island. He

was like, you know, Garth, show
me what you got in the case

there. And it looks like you had
a lot of eights. Well, he had,

yeah, I've got, I've got more
six and a halfs than I do

eights. I do have a couple
eights that make a regular

rotation right now.

Nice. I have no eights. What
would my first eight be? Are you

talking about? Gosh, eight inch
deep.

Oh, snare, civilian, deep dish.
I'm thinking like, Tom, well,

I just, I have to say, I found
on on marketplace about maybe a

year ago, an eight inch deep DW
edge. Nice, custom, custom deal.

I brought, bought it down here
in Spring Hill. Man, that thing

just is a cannon. Did you buy it
over boomers? No, I bought a

craviato 1012, years ago over at
boomers.

You know what he's got? No, I
kind of like it's hard to find

drum so long ago.

Yeah, I remember those. I never
owned one. Vinnie loved them.

Really secret weapon, yeah, wow.
Who was that? Any it's just,

it's

still over there, and I'm it's
really crisp and yummy. And

what time is, what time they
close? It's like a, it's like a

four, it's like a piccolo ish,

yeah, close soon. I don't think
he locks

the door. It's wood, it's wood,
but it plays like a deeper drum,

but it's thick, okay, which is
hard to do.

That's, yeah, that's, that's
impressive. I got to check that

out. Any idea who was? Was a
Bauer? Buyer, was he involved?

Buyer, I don't think so. Okay, I
have a couple of his drums too.

Okay, I don't have any of his
drums. James. Buyer, James.

Buyer, yeah, yeah. Remember

what like Premiere, but their
thing was, yeah, like, slightly

smaller diameter shell, right?
Almost like a timpani kind of

effect that was there. That was
their differentiation. Yeah,

it's like that. And, yeah, we'll
see. You know, not to slam a

drum coming. No, not at all.
Have

you tried the morgenstein tool,
Morgan tool, the Morgan tool.

Hey, what is it? God bless him.
It's, it's kind of like a, it's

a, it's,

you know how you kind of put
your drum sticks together to

tighten lug nuts and stuff. It's
basically that, okay?

And it's selling for a premium.
I saw it at the drum show, and

it's flying off the price. I
talked, I talked to the guys

over a 2112 percussion in
Raleigh, North Carolina, and I

looked at the price tag, and I
was like, Are you kidding me for

this? And and they're like,
Dude, we can't keep them in

stock. I'm so happy for Rod,
yeah, how cool, you know what I

mean to because to get a, to get
a piece of ancillary, you know,

auxiliary gear in the music
business, to get sticky, right?

Like a big fat snare drum, yes,
or a drum taco, or a Mr. Muff

lug locks, yeah, any of that

stuff is difficult, very, very,
I have a Mr. Muff, yeah, it's

cool. I just like saying it
anyways. So the

thing is, is that or you buy
just a, you know, a channel

lock, but it's not a Morgan
tool, see, channel lock can do

the same thing, yeah? But, but
we like rod, and we want

him to be successful. We do want
him to be successful? He's he's

retired from Berkeley, right?
Tired

from Berkeley, still playing.
She's only 17, right.

Rod, what's up?

Buddy show, buddy left, yeah,
left handed. He's playing the

wrong way. Are you a foodie? I'm
a fat kid, so I like you are not

a food kid. I'm. I'm, I'm a fat
kid at

heart, right? So when you were
young, I mean, you turned it

around, you're like, well,

well, I'm diabetic, so I've had
to, I've had to switch up my

diet, you know, low carb thing.
But Hello, 1517, years ago,

something like that. So, yeah,
my son was very young. He's 21

Yeah. So, yeah, he's very young,
and so, you know, I went through

all the questions of, is it, you
know, hereditary or anyway, but,

yeah, you know, just trying to
eat reasonably, you know, and

just just try not to be stupid,
and then trying to get to the

gym, yeah, when I can, you know.

So you're just doing the
machines and a little bit of

cardio, yeah, yes, free weights,
you know, free ways

to go. Yeah, Rich has given me
crap because I want an E bike.

Nothing wrong with an E bike and
E bikes better no bike, right?

I've been riding my bike. Yeah?
As I've gotten older, it's the

hills, man, like, off a duplex
here. Yeah, you, I know you

don't ride your you don't have a
bike. Do you even have a bike?

No, I would like to

get home, you know, get the
helmet and everything. See,

you got to worry about these.

We make, we make our money doing
this. Yes, yeah, I know too many

guys who I went mountain bunk
bike, mountain bunking. Nope,

nope, no story. Do that. I went
mountain biking a couple times

with Gary Lund. And, you know,
Gary great, great bass player

here in town, went mountain
biking a couple times with him.

And, man, it's so much fun. I
loved it. And the whole time I

was working out, yeah, just
because you're gonna go over the

handlebars at some point that

Joe Bergamini, you know, one of
the editors at Hudson music. You

know, he helped with the Stuart
Copeland book, yeah, the GAD

book, and he had a spill. Man,

it was messed up his hands,
yeah, but, I mean, he

just can't, he rehabbed. He's
back. I can't risk it's the

same, same reason I sold my
motorcycle. I loved riding my

motorcycle, but especially with
cell phones these days. Man,

it's just not

worth it. No one, no one is
paying attention. No at all.

But, I mean, you

could make the same case for,
like, lifting weights, or, you

know, even running, you could
fall down. Sure, sure, you know.

But I

think you know, there's a

tempting fate with some of those
things, maybe.

So I will say that, you know,
you want a bike, possibly, yeah,

mule town bikes is the place to
go. Oh, there you go. Mule town

bikes.com.

You have a little deal worked
out with these guys. Yeah, I

forgot to tell you little under
table.

So basically, 10% off now,

yeah, I'm getting a Venton e
bike. So my philosophy is that

look, instead of five miles a
day and knocking the crap out of

me. I'll do 10 and, like, it'll
be fun and something to look

forward to. Well, as long as you
get the heart up, you know,

right, you're basically

getting everything going. And,
yeah, it's just because, I mean,

dude, I like duplex out here
with the hills. Oh yeah, oh man,

they freaking run you ragged.
They run Sydney ragged. She's

like, you know, 100 pounds less
than I am, 150

thanks. So, no, no, I see 100
seems like a lot. I mean,

that's, that's crazy. So you
were talking about, you know,

your diet, like, Do you have any
things that just either you got

to splurge, like, oh, I mean, I
got to have my BLTs with

avocado. Or, you know, like, I'm
a coffee house culture guy,

like, I will choose a coffee
house based on the quality of

the food. There you go, you
know, okay, no, I don't, I

don't. I don't have any real
splurge items. There's so much

now, especially with the Keto
movement and all that kind of

thing that you can, you can get
pretty much whatever you're

craving. A little lower carb,
yeah, way,

yeah, you get keto pitas.

You know, there's even keto cake
mixes, because I love, I love

sweets, sweet guy,

so, yeah, mine, mine is the, is
the Eminem, the peanuts,

right, right?

That was my downfall in the in
our dressing rooms, because

evidently, somebody put on the
rider. Hey, peanuts every day.

Oh, come on. I know it's really
bad. Don't at least put them in

the little baggies so I can at
least not grab the bag. But when

you got a bowl of them sitting
there, just, just one,

or at least toble The road,

you know, another great thing is
the biscotti, the Scott brand,

the cookies, yes, vanilla.

They'll give you those on the
plate. I was flying in from

Seattle, and I was like,

they make that, they make that
in a spread, oh, like a

butterfly, yeah, yeah. Mercurio
talked me about, we

definitely took a turn here. We
did

that's all right, that's a
pleasant, it's a pleasant turn.

But yeah,

so getting back to, like, yeah,
things that you like to eat,

okay,

oh, man, where's gonna go with
this? Oh, you ever try? Like,

just for a little supplemental
shakes, the core powers, no gas

stations, no. Actually, pretty
good, okay, like, the kind of

because I'm a sweet guy too,
especially chocolate. Yep, it's.

Totally just kind of nips it in
the bud. High protein, low

sugar, high protein, low sugar.
Yep, fantastic stuff.

Okay. Well, everybody that knows
me, it knows me. That

core power, there you go. That's
what I was about to say. He

needed to give away. Just

keep stewing the Mr. Hey, it's
got to wink it.

You got to do that. We got to
put the littleness. I need that

sound effect. Well,

while we're on the subject, what
is your favorite

food, your favorite your
favorite

food, if I could, if I could
choose anything to wanted to

eat, regard, irregardless,
regardless, regardless of my

Yeah, I'd have to go Italian.
Mom used to fix an amazing

lasagna when I was I love, yeah,
yeah, just any kind of pasta.

And, yeah, sauce.

Now, do you have, like, little
alcohol every once in a while?

Or no, you

know, not really. I mean, not
good man,

yeah, if you have to, what's the
what's the go to? Oh, like, at

the holidays, it's like,

I tried a beer. I'm not, not
much of a beer drinker, so

whisking would probably be Wine.
Wine.

Yeah, nice of red wine. Yeah,
good for your heart, yeah,

there's some medicinal benefits,
antioxidants, totally. There you

go. That's what they say.
Depends on who's doing the

study, right? That's the thing
about studies, right? Who's

funding the study? Because they
are going to sway it in their

direction.

You know, what's coming up?
What's coming up? Evan Williams,

season,

season, yeah, that's a that
could be a five pound spread.

You have to bike 20 miles a day.

Evan Evan Williams. Evan
Williams, eggnog. Okay, spiked

eggnog.

He's got all kinds of this show.

So here's the deal. Let's get
back to this a little bit,

because I want to is

one of my favorites. Okay, there

you go. So anyways, it's spiked,
and it's so incredible. It's

like drinking pancake batter.
Oh, but it's incredible. It's

just amazing. And the guys in my
band have been polishing off as

well. Yeah, that's how I found
out about it. Oh, my God. They

love this thing. I introduced
them to to Kentucky coffee. What

is that? I told you to bring it
today. It's a brand. It's with

coffee whiskey. Oh, I thought
you were winking at me, like,

let's put some whiskey in our
coffee today. You know what? I

mean? We could do that.

Yeah, they kind of infused that
for you with Kentucky coffee.

That would be a way to wake up
and go to sleep the same time.

I don't know what to do. No,
okay, the final, final eggnog

comment my son and I for the
past, yeah, 12 years, we have a

celebration every year, and I
mark it on our calendar first

nog celebration, the first
purchase of nog, and we'll have

our we're we'll toast and have,
what is it like mid December?

No, it actually comes out mid
October, usually. So we've

already had, really, we've
already had ours this

year. Really, is it made or do
you actually first Evan

Williams, eggnog?

No, no. It's, it's, it's
Southern Comfort eggnog, but you

buy it at Walmart. There's no no
alcohol in it. And I've tried

making eggnog, and I'm not good
at, oh, that's a heavy thing.

Anyway, sorry. No,

no, my thing is, I want you to
shine a little light on your

wife and tell us about next
level entertainment. Yeah.

Well, my wife and I moved here
98 as you, as you said, 27 years

ago, she got hired in a an
entertainment, corporate

entertainment band. She was,
she's a singer, and so she got

hired. I moved here with no job.
We we were living, living in

Phoenix. We left college and
moved to Phoenix. Worked at a

church out there for about a
year and a half. I was on the

production team, and they had a
studio and dry heat, oh gosh,

like a blowtorch. It's
unbelievable, exactly. Yeah. So

anyway, she got called to join
this corporate entertainment

band. And we were, we'd always
wanted to move to Nashville. You

know, that's like I told you,
this is where I always wanted to

be. And so she got hired. I
moved here with no job. So I was

actually, I would go out with
this band and run sound I'd do

front of house for them on the
weekends. Wow. So we were

traveling together, you know,
went around the world together,

and we did that for 18 years,
wow, in that band. And then when

that ended, we started next
level entertainment slash

productions. And we do kind of
the same thing. We do just a lot

less of them we do. We do a
handful a year of these

corporate that's

a lot of work dealing with the
corporate client. They could be

a handful.

And these people are wonderful,
great. They, I mean, it's, it's

like, no stress, kind of like a
family. We've known them for so

long. It's just, it's a, it's a
fantastic arrangement we have,

so that's been great.

What's so you're saying you have
a relationship with, like, event

planners in Nashville or No, no,

it's actually, it's actually a
specific company that we have

been going in for. They're West
Coast based. And, yeah, we just

got back yesterday from Seattle
from an event. So did Vegas and

Seattle. One, yeah, just a
fantastic people, easy and so,

you know, we, we're looking at
maybe spreading out in some

other venues. But, man, we've
got, we've got such a good thing

going with these folks.

So is it the thing where you're
doing celebration at the end of

the night you're doing YMCA,

we usually open up each of their
events, like on a Friday and

Saturday, we'll do a 30 minute
set. We used to do only covers,

and then they asked us not to do
covers, and so we wrote a bunch

of original tunes and do that
kind of stuff.

I've never heard a party planner
say, do originals, yeah.

Well, we were shocked too. It
wasn't them. It was their,

without getting deep into the
weeds. Here it was their, their

attorney who was a little
scared, because they have their

own again, not getting in the
weeds. They have their own

social media platform, like a
private social media platform.

Oh, I see. And their attorney
was afraid that the licensing

that normally covers, cover
bands, yes, wouldn't cover that.

Oh, interesting, private entity.
And so they were like, you know,

we don't want to take any
chances. Would you be willing to

write some music? And we're
like, yeah. So, man, a couple

good friends of mine, John
Newell and Marty lemaine, great

songwriters and producers on
their in their own right here in

town, helped us write 10
original dance pop songs, nice,

and we performed them. You know,
for this corporation, it's a

four, it's a it's four front
people, right? Three front

people and a four piece band.
Gotcha, yeah? And then we'll do

a worship service on Sunday
morning for this, for this

event,

yeah? Cuz there is a company
called West Coast music on the

west coast that basically
assembles, you know, all these,

like, famed side men from, like,
big bands. And they'll put them

together and be like, Hey,
you're gonna go play clooney's

place tonight in Malibu, you
know? And it's, yeah, it's good,

yeah, 800,000 bucks, yeah,
right. You know, you're gonna

eat some nice, gigantic prawns.

Exactly, exactly you get a lot
of like, tribute acts, maybe,

because, are you, are you kind
of sourcing the acts for? No,

this is, this is the same man.

It's our band, Yeah, same band
that goes to these events,

I was gonna say I know a tribute
band that like plays for

peanuts. Oh yeah.

Okay, we've got several here in
town. I've sub for almost all of

them. So, yeah,

I know of one in particular.
Okay, what's that? What we'll

talk off. Okay,

great. Sounds good. So many
inside little wink winks.

Where'd the

wink go? There's no wig for
that. That's okay.

So hey, Garth, have you been
doing any do you like teaching

at all? Like, have you taught

anything? You know, I taught
when I was in college, yeah, and

it, I enjoyed it, but it didn't
really resonate with me. I

haven't. I haven't taught in 25
years. Wow, taught a little bit

in Phoenix. I had a couple
students out in Phoenix,

but, yeah, since I moved to
Nashville, I haven't really,

yeah,

you really enjoy teaching.

It's been a calling, you know,
and I've been doing so many

recently. I just did well. I did
the Guitar Center in Brentwood.

I did the Music Lab in Brentwood
last night. I did a college two

weeks ago. Don't ask me what it
was. And then Friday, I'm going

to Trevecca Nazarene, because my
buddy Larry aberman. So it's fun

because you get to address the
audience at hand. Sometimes it's

like a mixed group, where they
want to talk about the music

business, and it's a lot of
based on Q and A. Sometimes they

want more traditional drum
clinic. Sometimes they want a

master class where it's more
intimate and make sure that

everybody gets up. So I've got
all these different models, but

what's fun about it is I just
try to make it like a one man

show. So there is there's
comedic elements. Everybody

leaves with handouts, there's
interaction, there's

performance, there's education.
So I just try to take the lead

from the great clinicians who
say, you know a Carmine aposio.

He said, Hey kid, make sure that
you teach them something, that

you entertain them, and most
importantly, you make them

laugh. And if you do those three
things, the hour flies by. It

feels like five minutes

exactly. So fun. My least
favorite clinics I've been to

were clinics where the guy would
just play the whole time, yeah.

I'm like, okay, that's really
cool. But can you show me how to

get a little closer to what
you're doing?

Yeah? And I went to the other
direction where it's like, I

don't do solos at all, and I
just play songs, and I talk

about the skill set that like,
what would make somebody, you

know, get in line behind a Garth
justice? Well, great gear,

understanding of the history of
music, rudiments, reading,

understanding styles, balance
between the limbs, tune.

Interesting, musical mindset,
all that stuff absolutely that

we really have to address. Yep,
you know absolutely.

But you know when you're at
Tribeca, yeah, make sure to look

up at the lights.

Oh, boy, we did those. Oh cool.
Oh, really at the host, the

whole university campus, no way
back in 2017 How come you

haven't retired from that? That
sounds like a big job, man. Job,

man. We'll talk about that
offline. I mean, so the whole

campus is LED lighting. Yes,
wow. Now my only complaint about

LED lighting is, I hope it gets
softer, because it's so intense.

That's the color temperature
he's talking about. Yeah,

maybe the intensity, sure,
super. I don't like the bluish.

That's color temperature, yes,
6000 what they call 6000 Kelvin.

I like more of a sunlight kind
of vibe. This is

let's go with that. But they are
forcing us to do it. And I think

Jim sees an opportunity there,
because that opportunity has

come and gone, yeah? But I mean
that, I mean it's very hard to

find traditional Edison light
bulbs? Yeah, no, it's getting

harder. You can get

the Edison bulbs that have the
LED filaments in them. Ooh, they

still look like Edison

bulbs. Nice. Yeah, yeah, I've
seen those. This Edison guy,

man, can you imagine our world
without that person? He came

along and changed the world,

right? Could you imagine if he
didn't screw Tesla?

I was about to say, some would
say Tesla was the yes, yeah,

founder, but Edison's got his
name on all the

Nicola Tesla.

I got into Tesla five years ago.
And the car, the actual man, oh,

sorry, I know some saying, but
it led me to the car, yeah, and,

and the guy said, Hey, do you
want, do you want it to drive

itself? And I was like,
Absolutely not. Absolutely not,

man, you've

never been in a car driven
itself.

No, really. Well, here's what
I'll say. I had my first, like,

decent run in a Tesla. I took a
trip down to Huntsville with a

buddy of mine, and he's, you
know, he's got the self driving

feature on we're on the
interstate, and the car will

fuss at him if he looks away for
too long, like he'd look over

and talk, talk to me, and it
would say, eyes forward or

something, you know, keep your
eyes on the road. And he said,

yeah, it gets on me all the
time. He said, if, if it gives

you too many warnings, it will
shut off the auto drive feature,

wow. It will like, ground you
for

autos driving, but it still
wants you to be present. Yes,

you

can't be like, you can't be
drinking an

app. Yeah, you can't, dude,
people's got a camera on you,

all times, is what he says.

Interesting, yeah, yeah, which
means that the government's got

a camera, exactly, right?

Oh, my God, man. I mean, wait,
this girl, the man listening. I

love that you are just, you just
surrendered the process Exactly.

It's really, really good. That
makes it great. Hey, so, so you

know you're, you're gonna be out
with Reba, yeah, probably in

2026, that'll be your fifth
year. Yeah, very nice, amazing

body of work. You're busy doing
sessions on Music Row. You got

your incredible home studio,
super active, amazing body of

work. How can people find you
that says here at Garth justice,

is that your Instagram? Yeah,

Instagram, Facebook, email is my
name@mac.com

I love it. I mean, she's got to
be so cool to work with. She

looks like such a nice person.

Yes, she is. She loves to have
fun. She'll, you know, she'll,

she'll ham it up with us and cut
up.

Maybe that's why she's gotten so
far in life. People want to be

around people they know and like
and trust

absolutely well. And it's and we
all know folks who are real good

at doing that in a fake way. And
there's nothing fake about it.

With, with Reba. She's, she's
the person you, you would hope

she would be. Are you

playing around here anytime
soon?

Yeah, actually, I'm. I'm subbing
with, well, it's not around

here, sorry. Subbing with the
eagle maniacs tomorrow night up

in Bowling Green, except for
Lonnie. Yeah. Lonnie got called

to do something, and had to bail
the last minute. So I'm subbing

for them. And then the day after
Thanksgiving, down here in

Spring Hill, at the mule house,
I'll be subbing with the eagle

maniacs.

So mule house, Columbia, yeah.
Columbia, yeah.

A day after Thanksgiving, that
would be the 25th I think.

Hold on, I could be wrong. You
can't get anything past you. I

could be wrong. Is it always,
it's always, like the fourth

Thursday of the year. So, so

for any musician in in parting,
any musician that comes to do

the thing in Nashville, what's a
couple of, just quick 20? Hey

kid, yeah, do this. Don't do
that.

Find the people who are doing
what you want to do, and hang

out with them. Fantastic. Go
hang out on sessions. Do it the

right way. Don't, don't, don't
bring your drumsticks. And, you

know, expect to, you know, play
on the last. Hey, you don't want

to play on the last. No, that's
not gonna happen. Just be cool.

Be a fly on the wall and. Take
everything in, drink everything

in. That's what I tried. The
Hammond brothers do that for

you. The Hammond brothers did
that for me. Scott did that for

me. Brewster, yeah, those guys
couldn't have been more more

generous to me when I first
moved to town. And then, you

know, eventually you start
meeting people through that. And

you know, when you're cool,
other people are cool. Somebody

will remember you. Somebody's
needing a drummer. You know, I

met this guy at the session the
other day. I wonder if he'd be

good for that. And don't be in a
rush, exactly. And you get

called for an audition, and it
takes time, and you you don't

build relationships to get work.
You build relationships to gain

friends, and through friends,
you get work. That's how it's

worked for me.

Great advice. I like this. This
is a feature, like, kind of a

new thing you just stumbled upon
just now, tidbits, well, you

know, tidbits and good advice.
Yeah, would you call me

No, but I love, I love the

but I have a I have more to say.
Okay, go home. Sorry, Jim,

that's right. What if we call it
good advice, bad advice. Like,

everything that you just said
all of a sudden I'm like, like,

so while you're there, should,
like, every time the guy gets up

from the drums, you should go
and sit on the drums. Yeah, play

them, right? Yes, without
asking, and then ask to take

pictures with the artist every
single time. Absolutely right?

Or what other bad

like, I said, you know, bring
your sticks to the bring your

stick back. Have your stick bag
over your arm when you walk in

to hang out at a session that's
putting laxatives in his coffee.

That's a good way not to get
called back or not to get

invited back to

a session. So as far as working
on relationships, call them

every day and say, Hey, what do
you got for me? Yeah, exactly.

What other bad advice

would you told my mom that I met
somebody who's gonna help me

make it in Nashville? Yeah?

Oh, when you go, when you get
called to sub for somebody, do

not try to snake the gig. Oh,
that is the worst, right? Just

do that advice, though,
absolutely, we want bad advice.

I don't have any that.

So the opposite of that would be
like, you know, make sure that

you try and Snake the gig out
from underneath.

Oh, gotcha pass the band leader
your card. Say, Hey, man, yeah,

my brain doesn't work.

Like, if old freakin slow poke
here doesn't work out anymore,

you know where to go. You know,

that's a funny feature, okay,
well, remember it, but you're

the producer.

I like it, yeah? Fantastic. Good
advice, bad advice. You know,

what good advice do you have?
You can counter with bad advice.

I'm gonna tell you, like, after

27 years of living here? Yeah, I
am so happy we got to spend an

afternoon together same there's
been the like, really great,

really great. And
congratulations on an amazing

career. Thank you, and you,

thanks, man. I watched this. I
was watching this guy when I

first moved to town. I told him
I'd go to the Preds games. And I

was like, Who is this drummer?
Yeah, this Energizer Bunny

behind the kid.

That's interesting that you
would have liked my playing in

the year 2000 Wow. I hope I
sounded

98 that's 98 I'm telling you. We
were both new in town. Wow.

We're killing bro. Well, thanks,
bro. Was it

really intimidating for you at
the beginning? Yeah, oh

yeah. Well, because I think
everybody sorry I did cut this

out if you want to. I think
everybody moves to town

thinking, wait until they hear
me. Oh yeah, I mean, and then

it's, all I got to do is start
playing.

It's crickets for the first
couple of years. Yeah, you know,

I was like, Man, I'm a top call
drummer in Dallas. I got my

master's degree, played with
this big band. Give me the

chart. And then you move here,
and you're like, No one cares,

right? You have got to start
over. You have to ingratiate

yourself with the community
connections, slowly do the

thing. Yeah, and I wish I wasn't
in such a rush, but that's just

my thing. I'm an East Coast guy.

I think all of us, you know, are
in that rush. But no, I mean, he

was, you know, you set the bar
for me. I mean, it was like,

okay, that I got to be at least
as good as that guy. You know, I

don't remember that. That's so
sweet, though. It's killing

Yeah, see,

so you just did it. See, we're
just talking about that earlier.

Oh,

I love it. Everyone that is
Garth justice at Garth justice,

and the email address is Garth
justice@mac.com Do you like? You

get DMS from kids like, hey, how
do I do this? Yeah, all the

time, all time. And you give
them that advice, absolutely,

make friends, absolutely

right. Come see me. We'll hang
out a session. You know, I love

it. Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, man,

bring your sticks. Jump on my
drums when we're trying to

figure out what the track sounds
like. Corner the producer, yeah,

Jim, it's always great to see
you. It's been a while, and to

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