The Rich Redmond Show

Unknown: My famous Garth Brooks
story. I actually beat Garth

Brooks in a talent contest in
Oklahoma City at a big

nightclub. This is, hey, this is
groundbreaking news.

This whole, has this ever been
story? Ever been told on a

podcast? I don't know. Ladies
and gentlemen, this is a

premiere. I

don't know. I think you know.
It's a shame Garth couldn't get

his career going after that, he
was so decimated. But he walked,

I'll never forget he walked up
to me. He was in school, I

believe it's still water, and he
was Garth then. I mean, he's

fully the entertainer that he is
now. And he rubs me on the head,

and he goes, I know if I get
beat, it's gonna be by this punk

kid.

This is the rich Redmond show.

And he goes, he goes, roach,
what are you playing? And out of

nowhere, I just said, fair, I
feel like I should play, savor,

let's and he looked at me, and
he goes, that's your voice for

the rest of the day. Amazing.

You should take, you should
join, like an improv troupe you

sell.

Oh no, no, no.

John Malkovich, tone to your
voice,

though, bitch. He loves to
enunciate every syllable you

ever see. The guy who played, oh
gosh, he's on Saturday Night

Live. And Bill Hader, Oh, I love
him, great, yeah. And he does a

ton of impressions. One of he
did an impression of John

Malkovich in front of him, and
Malkovich is going, I don't

sound like that. And he's like,
you sound exactly like, I think

I've seen that,

you know, you sound exactly
does?

He does. He does the Chris,
whatever, the guy that does the

the show like, you know, they
just show the footage of some

guy butchered his whole family,
and he's like, Well, what did

that feel? He almost seems
joyous about

it, right? He's such a great
character actor, that guy. He's

so funny. He does and his his
breaks when he breaks. Yeah, is

hilarious. Oh, it's crazy.
Californians, California

Forgetting Sarah Marshall, you
know, all of those,

those killer movies, that the
Apatow movies, but, but he

just when he breaks on Saturday
night long. Were you dude in

here? Yeah,

I always wished that that Fallon
wouldn't break so much.

I think, I think that's why he
was on and I think that's why

we're Will Ferrell, every chance
he had went after him, you know,

well, he tried to break him in
the hot tub. Yes,

you ever watched a Lego Movie?
No, you should really Yes, even

though it's, you think it's a
kid's movie when you have Liam

Neeson playing the bad guy, and
he's, he's

bipolar. Liam Neeson, Oh, dude,

taken seven. You've never seen
it rich. The Lego movies. I

might do bad guys one and two,
because Marc Maron plays

the snake. Well, it's like he
they, they take little plays on

words, like every year of an
exacto blade. Oh, yeah. So in

the actual movie, they call it,
you are going to be victim of

the sword of exact zero, you
know, stuff like that. Yeah, the

craggle. That's too smart for
us, dude. No, it's very funny.

You need to watch it. That's
very funny. Has a particular

Yes, sir

Jim. I mean, there's a there's a
lot of stuff happening. And let

me tell you that, you know, this
the streaming services, it's

getting racier and racier. I
mean, I saw some stuff last

night on one of these shows. I
was like, it's been

basically porn at this point.
Wow. It says

skin max. What's what streaming
services are you

cats on, like, just on Netflix.
I mean,

there's only fans Disney plus,

well, Disney plus too. They got
Hulu is a part of them now.

Well, this, this, this show is
called the hunting wives. I

didn't quite finish it, but
there were some scenes from the

second to last episode. I was
like, whoa.

Really, they like skin to dude.
Just, just

describe the scene, because I I
saw, like a lot of women on

Tiktok did, like reaction videos
like, Ooh, how I'm feeling

watching that scene from the
hunting.

It's women on women, and it's

called the hunting wise, yeah.

Well, are they hunting each

other. You know what? I didn't
watch the last episode, so I

don't want to ruin it for
everyone, but you know, it is

worth your time. It's a good
cast. Housekeeping, what do we

got here? Yeah, yeah, we got
we're gonna get into it, but

we're off. We're off to the
races. And I knew this would be

a great episode. Are we doing it
already? We're all it started.

You never tell your guests when
you're starting. But Jim, no

housekeeping, we are on a kick.
Yesterday was really good. We

had our buddy, Wes little on
who's, like, a really, you know,

bit, had a great New York
career. He's in Nashville for

the last 20 years, doing really
good. And you know, us drummers,

we get together, you know,
because we always say we're

going to get together, but I
force it. I'm like, Yeah, you're

going to drive to Spring Hill.
Little and we're going to talk,

it's going to be public record
for 90 minutes. You have to we

totally and then we even had
Jeff. We had Jay Weinberg on

yesterday. He was the drummer
from slipknot. Now he's with

suicidal tendencies. He sees
Bruce Springsteen's drummer's

son, yeah, what? He lives here
in Nashville. They all live here

now.

That's crazy. He played, he
played giant stadium when he

turned 17.

Yeah, it was in 2008 whenever,
if you do the math, because he's

34 now, he was filling in for
his dad at Giants. His first gig

was subbing for his dad with
Bruce Springsteen. That giant

stadium. No pressure, yeah,
yeah.

Here I am nervous. He's 34 now,
but he was like, 17 or

18 years he was 18 or 19 years

old. Here I am. Dude. Here I am
shitting a brick at the city

winery before I play with the
Huey. You

did great, Jim. Thank you. So
who is our guest today? I knew

it'd be great because he does
voices. He does impersonations.

He's a real ham. He's a real
character. Hailing, he this is a

mouthful from Mangum, Oklahoma.
You just say like Mangum.

Mangum. Hey, Michael mango, I
just gotta think of King of the

Hill and calling Nashville home
since 1989 that's 3536 years

he's a keyboardist. He's a
composer. He's a producer. Nine

times out of 10, if I'm doing a
recording session, he's playing

keyboards, and he's played with
luminaries like Darius Rucker,

Tim McGraw, Tracy, Lawrence,
Leanne Womack. And then you've

got the upstarts, these new
guys, your Cole swindells, your

Warren ziters, your Gabby
Barrett's, and then even your

CCM royalty, like Amy Grant.
We're talking about our friend

Jeff roach. Hey everybody, man.

Oh, did you hear that? Got an
audience

outside. Smattering of applause.

Totally brought to you by
purified water.

I knew it would be a great
because you are, you're, you

know. And the funny thing is,
you said, I said, come five

minutes before the interview,
which means 255 you were here at

255 on the diamond. I said, Do
you make a habit of that? And

you're, you're always early,
because to be on time is to be

early, yeah, especially in what
we do, oh, because you got to be

set up ready to go.

Well, part of it is, I'm
extremely type A and I want to

be there to be prepared. I want
all my ancient geriatric crap to

work. Yeah? I want to make sure
every you know, everything's

been tuned or whatever. And
literally, I have, like, a 14

year old laptop that that's all
I use it for right now, is for

sessions, and I got to make
sure, is it going to

breathe? Did you have a backup?
No. Okay, so somebody wants

Omnisphere, or any of those,
like soft synth things, if it

goes down,

well, I don't have Omnisphere,
but, or whatever, one of those,

you know, everybody asked me
that, like, do you have this?

And do you have that? Man, you
have this and that? I'm like,

No, but everybody else uses

it. I mean, it's working for
you, yeah, the idea that

obviously you can do all the
traditional piano stuff, you put

you on a real piano, you know,
that on the second verse you're

gonna have to do the pig
Robinson thing. I've seen you do

quasi, you know, New Age
classical things. But then you

you jump on your soft synth, and
you got the plug, you know, all

the sounds of the blips and the
beeps. You're that guy too.

It's all about the blips of the
beeps. Rich, yes, I started as a

drummer though.

Well, no, because I knew that,
because you're, you're, you're

very knowledgeable about drums.
Is one of your children play

drums. I love

the sound effects are fantastic.
Thanks for that freaking whip

crack is awesome.

Oh, that's the, that's the good
episode from laugh, yeah. Laugh

USA, my

grandmother, Mama, she had a
little set of drums, like a

little three piece set of drums
as a kid, set up in her living

room. I don't know where they
came from, kicks, their symbol,

pretty much. There was one rack
mount, Tom. Oh yeah, little

Chinese Tom, Tom, yeah, yeah.
But they were old, they were

WFL, Oh, wow. And someone had
had, like, as in, Ludwig, yeah.

William F Ludwig, like a student
model, had one lug in the

middle, and the little long,
kind of T rock, long turrets,

yeah. And I would say she had
like, giant, like, tube socks

and crap under the head. So they
just, you know, they didn't make

any sound at all. And as a kid,
I remember she had Charlie pride

albums, and then she had a
Hollies, like the Great, the

Holly's greatest hit. So like
bus stop and long cool was it a

woman in a black dress? And I
said, in there, you know, I

couldn't even touch the pedals,
devil in a blue dress. No, no,

that's different song, Okay,
gotcha,

except with a with a dress,

yeah, a long, cool woman in a
black dress. Oh, that's right,

right, yeah, gotcha. And, but I
played all that stuff, and then

one day I'll never forget this
was in, this is in the 1970s for

all you youngsters. I was
summertime. We had this really

awful Naugahyde, like, green
couch in the den. Back then

people had dens,

yes, and it was olive, was very,
uh, avocado green,

orange, Oh, yeah. We had all of
that Tupperware, yeah. We had an

avocado green telephone hanging
in a kitchen on the wall with

the Coily court. That I could
reach the back gate with. If you

wanted privacy, you had to
stretch it through that horrible

sliding door that everybody had
off the back patio. So it was

all about dens and pit groups.
People had pit groups, but,

yeah, she was on a phone, and
I'm sitting on that couch

sweating because, you know that
stuff doesn't breathe that

vinyl. And she's like, Jeffrey,
you want to learn how to play

piano, sure. And took from a
little lady, Miss Wendell. And

then Miss Wendell, uh, health,
went south, and I drove to

Altus, which is real close to my
hometown, 26 miles away. We have

to go to Altus to get anything
really, yeah. And took from Miss

Hubbard, Juanita Hubbard, and
she was hardcore, like a guild

style, like classical piano
teacher, yep. And she wanted you

to read the notes. Oh, yeah. And
I it's, it's so bad, man, I hate

to admit I can't read for crap.
I still can't. You've

done great. I just, I

fake it. What are those little
what's all those little squiggly

things? We don't

have to worry about it in
Nashville, usually, unless

you're doing some sort of like a
cue or for a film or

something. Yeah, I can, I mean,
I can look at things and follow

a melody, and I can look at the
chord symbols, you know, they'll

have the tabs for guitar. Oh,
here comes the G minor nine,

whatever I get that, yeah, but
it used to drive her crazy. It

would take me forever to learn
stuff, but she had a great year.

I did, and I actually won the
state Invitational piano contest

when I was 14 or 13 or 14. Never
forget it. It was this song it

took me, like a year to learn,
and my mom called it migraine,

because it was all dissonant. If
it sounds right or sounds pretty

is wrong, right. It was by
Alberto in Estera called you

remember to the and it has, like
you would play six, four in your

right hand and 10 in your left
hand. And it was just

polyrhythm, crazy. Yeah, really
percussive. And by the end of

it, I'm just beating the living
back crap out of the piano, and

it takes, probably takes 10
minutes to play it from memory.

That kind of stuff. Can share
toe contests,

yes, well, it's good for
discipline and time management

and all that stuff. I

wish though that someone would
say, Hey, you want to learn some

you want to learn jazz. I don't
have I can fake a few chords.

Yeah, I have no concept of what
that is.

But you know all the extensions,
the nines and the 13th you hear

them, I go, Oh, but it's putting
them together in the standards,

and knowing the song book is,
that's the thing. You know what

I mean. But that's okay,
because, you know, unless you're

going to make that your focus,
your career, you're like, I'm

moving to Europe, where they
appreciate jazz. You're doing

fine. You're you're playing on
records, records that people are

hearing in their car, Cambodia
in in Publix

in the jungle. Yeah, they are in
elevators.

You know what? I mean, many
greatest elevator hits of all

time. That's right. So the funny
thing was, though, my teacher,

we have recitals, of course,
yeah. And after you played the

Bach partita in C minor or
whatever, first with the second

cadenza at the end of these high
brow things, she'd say, all

right, play

something you want to play.

Jeffrey, come on up and play
some of that junk music. And I'd

get up and play boogie woogie or
something and just rip

everything like Jerry Lee Lewis
type stuff, nice. Oh yeah,

boogie woogie piano.

Oh yeah, because that stuff was
easy in comparison to least.

You need to meet my brother.
It's like, I think he had the

same piano teacher

he might have. Yeah, rest her
soul. She's

so many of them are task masters
now get

foundational, right? It's
pouring the foundation and yeah,

and then you

got to know the rules so you can
break them exactly. So did. But

did she ever get it? Was she
ever made aware of your success

in the music

business? No, she died many,
many years ago. Oh, yeah, it

was. But, you know, she used to
get a kick out and make her mad

that I would figure out
everything by ear. She'd lay her

arms on the piano, just go and
I'd go over and find kind of the

range of the notes, and she
would just make her crazy,

yeah, but your ears were
probably more developed than

hers, because she had decades of
reading the notes,

I know, but I wished, I still
wish, to a degree, that I've

seen people just never seen
music, set it on the stand. Go,

okay, we're in B flat, we're,
you know, and then just sit down

and play it. It's like, man,
that would be cool to do.

Unfortunately, most people that
I know that do that play like

robots. Yeah. It's like, No,
man, come on. I want to feel

it's

when you combine the two that
you become kind of unstoppable.

But you're unstoppable and you
and you play very percussively

and with great feel like a
drummer.

Well, I'm always listening. It's
funny, like guys that I end up

working a lot with, at the end
of a phrase where I know a drum

fill is coming, it's shocking
how many times I hit the exact

we just play together. So much.
It's like, I know what that

drums that feels. Gonna be.

So you're in the Nashville
recording studios for the last

30 something year, 35 years, 36
years. Obviously, the landscape

has changed. The technology has
changed. The music has evolved.

Players have come and gone. Guys
have retired. They moved on.

They should have they've died,
you know. But so now, when

you're showing up to root set,
am I? Am I right in saying that

every day you're you're running
into a Jerry row or a miles

McPherson or who are the most
common guys you work with all

the time? Drum wise, those

guys. Evan Hutchings, Oh, I see
Wes occasionally. Who else am I

seeing? Chris

Kimmer. Chris Kimmer, yeah, like
this place the brown owl, yeah,

Phil. Is it Lawson? Phil lost
from Phil was his Instagram?

Not Philly young? Oh, he's, oh,
he's crap. I just think, I

think it's Phil. Lawson, sorry.
Phil Lawson, we're gonna check,

yeah, I think that's his name.
Love that guy. Sorry. I don't

know your last name, Phil. We're
always Hey, bud, yeah, you could

do that with the guy, away with
it. Is it? Lawson, did you check

it out? Did you google eyes

him? Phil? Lawson,

good. What's up? Phil? Shout out
to Phil.

But do you find yourself with
some of the the the icons, the

eddies and the lonnies and the
Gregs and the Chads.

Lonnie, still, I worked with
Chad. Actually had a triple with

him last Monday, nice, and he's
great. I joke with Chad because

he doesn't need toms. He just
needs a kick, snare and a hat

and a couple of symbols he never
fills on a tom. If it does, it

always catches me off guard.
It's rare. Yeah, he'll wear a

snare out. But, yeah, yeah, the
Greg Morrows love his feel sup

Greg, yeah, I see near
occasionally, yeah, he brought a

very intense man. We

know I went over finally, see,
I've been everybody is a threat,

and we got to get together with
the I'm the guy that's like,

goes, we've been talking about
this for five years. Is not

going to become six years.

And so you're so you've been
here 35 years? Yeah, or 36 you

don't look old enough.

I know he's got this youthful
later.

Is that working?

I don't know about your diet and
exercise and you're a clean

living but I mean you, you've
always you've always got a firm

handshake, and you're always
laughing and you're always happy

to be in the room. There's this
enthusiasm.

So how old are you? Yeah, I'll
be 58 next month.

No way. Yeah. We're just, yeah,
I just turned 55 I was waiting

for you to drive my golf cart.
Oh, you got the golf cart. I

mean, I can good for

you. Did you buy it? Are you

saying at this point, I could
move to a 55 and over community

where they give you the golf
villages,

yes, comes with a free golf card
and sexually transmitted

disease.

Make sure to bring your upside

down pineapple flags, no.
Syphilis is on the rise. Old

folks. Everybody doing it, let
them. That's what I said. If you

make it to 80, you can, you can
eat all the whiskey and

chocolate you want. I got you
want.

Let's just kind of pause here
for a second, because I have a

little bit of we have to do a
little bit of a plug, not only

for ourselves. Throw me that cap
over there. I'm going to do

something. Geez, Jim, you're a
taskmaster turning

into a full promo sexual today.

You know called, do you know
Kevin Murphy? The

Kevin? He's, uh, John party's

live drummer. I think I've met
him. I know John. I've worked

with John a couple, few times.

Anyways, when I say pause, I'm
not really pausing. I'm just,

we're gonna make this part of
the

show. Okay? We're gonna stick a
pin in it. We're gonna stick, I

hate that, guys.

This doesn't sound very good. I
don't I'm not getting anything

back.

It feels like I'm not using
anything at all. What are you

talking

about? Check, check, check, oh,
squirking thing on is that

better? Yeah, Helen, you're at
an event that is always

feedback. Oh, it has to be
feedback. Yeah. In the movies,

whenever there's a microphone,
always feedback

exactly, and anytime someone's
nature, there's a hawk you hear

that, or flipping hawk. What

about the car alarm that sounds
like a chirp from the 90s? What

was the last time you ever heard
of?

Oh, no, movies. My new my new
thing I hate is every computer

in any sci fi

movie to make noise. Yes, this
dream

is always it goes back to make
sound alien.

Oh, you know what the funny
thing is, on your keyboard, you

could probably make all those
sounds, right? You know I could.

There's my career move, Jim,
dude imaging work parts for

radio stations they do. Yeah, so
getting back to what I was

saying before. Okay, Jim, we do
have merch. Tons of March, yep,

the rich Redmond show.com, go to
there. I just had lunch with

Jason Miller, who owns Christian
Brothers automotive. I want to

give him a shout out.

Okay, yeah, because I'm always
looking for a fair place to fix

my vehicle. That's not the
dealership, where they're not

going to upsell me on a million
other things. He.

He restores my faith in
humanity. I like that gentleman.

You should really meet him.
Grecian restaurant, who was on

my podcast this episode's out
this week, got to give them a

shout out, and mainly because
Jay was talking about his

affinity for diners, northeast
diners. I love diners, and

they're very akin to a northeast
diner.

The closest you get in Spring
Hill, Tennessee, is the Grecian

restaurant, Yes, yep. And you
got a really cool guest, because

it's a thick menu. You can get
pizza, you can get pasta, you

can get a breakfast. You can get
zero zeros. You can get American

cuisine, all the stuff,

Giro. Is that? How you say it
00, see, this is the benefit of

growing up in Mangum, Oklahoma.
Manga. Man, I want one of them,

gyros right now. Yeah, yeah.
Throw some that lamb on there

up in Danbury, Connecticut. We
probably called him that too.

Yeah? We just like, No, it's
heroes. No, it's gyros, dude.

Sorry, yeah.

Shout out to everyone that these
local businesses in Spring Hill.

It's an amazing community. And
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So now what brought you why
Nashville in 1989

you know, that's a good
question. Well, you

knew you wanted to get out of
Oklahoma, right? Yeah.

And, you know, it's funny people
that they they know me, but my,

my my rear end, my upbringing
was very, very different than

kind of, my persona. We had a
small farm, small farm for out

there was a is a quarter
sections, 160 acres, my God,

under 60. We had about 80 head
of cattle at most. So I've, I've

worked cattle with my dad back
in the day, built more fence

than I ever branding. They
usually put ear tags on them.

They still do, you know, do
brand some. I wasn't part of the

branding. Now I have. We've done
lots of things with the cows,

including the snip, snip. That
was brutal. I've done that on

occasion. Oh, painful. I helped
my dad pull a calf one time out

of a heifer, heifer, a heifer.

You wouldn't do that.

It's it was. It's a neat story.
Dad is in like a suit. We get a

call that This heifer has got
problems, and he's hanging his

jacket, like, over the barn
door, or this door next to and

we have our all up in this, the
lot kind of bunch of, how do I

call it? It's like steel fencing
up around the barn, you know,

and she's in there, and I think
the calf is breech or something,

and you have to reach in, pull
it up. You reach in and attach a

steel cable, the kind you see on
a truck. And first you have to

rearrange the calf and hook it
around the hooves. And it's

those things you see. They're
like, it's got a come along, a

great big version of that. And
you're like, Are you kidding me?

So here comes the calf, and I.
All of that gooey goodness that

comes with, yeah, with calf,
little placenta, yeah, oh yeah,

it's, it's a good time. Nothing
grosses you out after that. But

no, I've, you know, sewn wheat
and hauled hay and trumped

cotton and done all that stuff,
and it's so foreign to my life.

Now

you remember the workout place.
It's now the Tesla dealership in

Franklin. It's it was called
prairie land fitness. No, oh,

Prairie Life Fitness, yeah,
okay. And it was a national

chain, and they advertised on
the radio for a while, but for a

longest time, I was like, that's
an interesting concept. Very

love. What is prairie Life
Fitness? I'm like, what do you

do? We go up in there, I throw
hay bales around and stuff like.

That's a great workout. Yeah?

Oh, you like moving tires and
you swing the head sledge

hammers, all the Tim mccross
stuff on the road.

That's not what it was. Well, it
was just a regular

gym, yeah, just regular gym. Is
it pretty weird name? I don't

know. You have to dress like a
Mennonite when you're in sweat a

lot. That's the thing. Yeah, the
dirtiest I ever got was an out.

And I love this memory we were,
I think we're alfalfa. I'm

trying to remember what we were
sowing in this field, this front

field, but we borrowed this
piece of equipment. They call

it, I think they call it a
drill. I don't know why they

call it a drill, but imagine a
great big, wide tank and wheels

at the end. The tractor pulls it
and out of the tank roughly

where each row of the field is,
is kind of a funnel apparatus.

And it's really old. This thing
looks like it should have been

in a in a museum. So most of the
funnel apparatus, which was

metal originally, is all rusted
away. And some guy had wired up

a bunch of old inner tubes and
baling wire and all this stuff.

Well, all the bumping and all
this, these, these these things

would come out, and seed would
kind of get scattered. So my job

is to crawl around on the back
of this thing and make sure all

these tubes stay in the funnel
locations. So this is 115

degrees and dry and dirt coming
off those tractor tires all day

long. So when I get home, my mom
stops me on the porch, and she's

like, Nah, you're not coming in
the house like that. Because it

was, I look like a dry lake bed,
yeah? It was just, oh, it was

like an eighth of an inch thick.
Oh, my God, it just brick. And

so she hit me with a hose first,
yeah? And she's like, don't even

go upstairs. Just go get in that
bathtub in there. And I left mud

in the bathtub, yeah, but when
you're that dirty, when you get

real clean, you feel cleaner
than you've ever felt.

Oh, there's nothing like a
shower makes you a new man, even

after a lawn mowing.

Yeah, I like so to this day, I
still like getting out on my

property and like cutting up
trees and splitting. Oh,

a tree just fell on my property.
Jim, yeah.

So what are you gonna do about
it? I gotta call Caesars drop.

Oh my gosh. What do you

want me to do? You want me to
do? Go out there.

What's the dirtiest you've ever
gotten doing physical manual

labor? Come on, tell us a story.

When I first moved to Nashville,
I had to I worked for manpower,

which is a temp agency, Oh,
yeah. And I would take anything,

and they would send me out to
like, construction sites, and

they'd be like, Hey, man, you
know, you sweep, keep this

clean, run out, get us lunch or
whatever. But you know, everyone

knows I have horrible like
Claritin 24 hour

allergies, and I had the
greatest place to live for

that. I had to unload a gigantic
18 wheeler semi full of

documents that we had to load in
this place to burn, and there

were, like, 40 year old
documents covered with inches of

dust. I'm just just covered with
dust, sneezing. My eyes all red

and white. How about $8 an hour?
Nice. How do you make a living

on $8 an hour? Guys? I mean,
it's living, baby. I mean,

wow. You know those squares you
see in the pavement before you

pull up to a stoplight? Yeah,
they call those loops. They're

not actually pressure plates
where, like most people think

they are, they're wires that are
wrapped around the pavement, and

somebody has to cut those in.
And I actually, when I worked as

an electrician, did that kind of
work. We cut loops into the

pavement and intersections in
Connecticut

Max. What what job have you not
done? So far, I've just known

you for 20 minutes, and
plumbing, you're like a polymath

over there. Man, nothing.

Plumbing is dirty. I don't want
to get, you know, let me see. Do

you have all your digits?
Because most plumbers,

I do have trade tattoos. I have
a lot of scars on my hands.

Yeah, I call them

trade. Plumbers are always like
missing fingers jacked up.

It's, it's, you know, you gotta
have. You can't have soft hands,

but you're never more happy to
see a trade guy than when you

need them. And they show up in a
timely manner, and they know

their stuff, and they're nice,
and they explain the situation,

and they get it done. Trades
people

are gonna have the last laugh.
Guys leave them with a check.

Yeah, the Hoffman brothers got a
lot of my money this last year

because I bought, bought a new
house in October. And I was just

like, Yeah, let's check the
plumbing. Let's check the

electricity. Let's check this.
Like, yeah, they basically were

parked in front of my house for

two weeks. So basically, that's
your fault. Let's check this.

Let's check that. I didn't have
to. But I was just like, This is

brand new. They put it in their
CRM rich Redmond in Paris.

That's, he's lay down.

Lay down. You're a lay down.

Um, that means I'm an easy
target. Yes. Oh yeah, they

love me. Saw some guy the other
day. It was a blurb about a dude

that went to Walmart or whatever
and bought a full size, like,

fake skeleton, yeah, because he
was redoing his deck, yeah. And

when he took all the deck boards
off in the ground, he kind of

half buried the skeleton. Oh,
like the red door saloon, yeah.

And so he's gonna redo it. And
years from now, when someone

redoes the deck, they're going
to discover this moldy skeleton.

Amazing. They're gonna

think it's like a Nephilim or
something like that. It's

amazing. I thought, What a great
idea. So the reason why I was

telling the story about the
loops was that that was my

dirtiest job, yeah, there's all
the road dust. Yeah, got kicked

up and just all day long,

I helped a guy in a grain
elevator one day. And you talk

about not being able to breathe,
and it was so hot, it was the

middle of summer, and it was all
the dust is blowing

around. Those things are
dangerous. Oh yeah, you can get

trapped and die in those things.
I

knew a guy, his arm got caught
in an auger and it just chewed

it off, like, like, freaking
chop me. Yeah, it's a big drill

bit and those things to just,
yeah,

you're done farm life.

So that's your roots. But now,
all these years later, decades

later, you're in an air
conditioned studio. Every day,

endless piles of coffee. Usually
someone's going to Jimmy John's

to get us lunch. It's

all thumbs up. Wait, where are
you working?

When you do the sessions that I
book you on, we've always got a

nice, catered lunch, you know,
for that cat mark that, you

know, the California guy with
the long blonde hair, he always

like, What a sweet guy pays us
cash above scale. He goes, he

goes, Wait, what does this
normally pay? And I tell him, he

goes, That's ridiculous, but
he's got wads of hundreds, and

you're keep him coming. He's a
great guy. And he's like, let's

get some lunch. And it's He's
awesome. I wish everyone was

like that. I

know I had a guy pay me cash
yesterday, and that just I never

see cash. I'm literally like,
what is this green papery

substance?

Yes. Have you ever been real?
Have you ever been denied of

paying by cash yet, no. Happened
to me?

Someone said, No, we don't do
cash. We don't take cash. Wow,

yeah, well, Southwest Airlines
doesn't take cash anymore. If

you want a cocktail, you bit to
have your sweep swipe. I always

thought that was illegal,
though, like you have to accept

cash. Wow. Yeah, it was a bar
downtown,

wow. Well, it just goes to show
you. And remember, if you've

ever played the end, that little
rock, rock and roll club across

from the exit in it's like a
seats, maybe like 40 people

tops. It is a beer

having more rock and roll than
40 place 40 standal.

You know, if you got a new rock
band in Nashville, you're

playing the end, that's your
first spot.

It's also the place that you
play in the end,

at the end, yeah, I'm just glad
it's still there. Yeah,

someone's gonna, some developers
gonna knock it down.

Yeah, it's gonna just fall into
the anyways, you said to

yourself,

I'm getting out of Oklahoma. Oh,

yeah, sorry. Wow. Full Circle.
Yeah. We went way off, way off.

Anyways, I went to, went to
college in West Texas, and

anyways, at some point in
Oklahoma, with all the classical

stuff, my dad printed up some
little business cards back when

the kids had business, yeah, no.
And it said, classical to

country. And he would promote me
to play, like, banquets and all

this stuff. And so I would just
play, you know, everybody had to

learn ice castles, or whatever
themed ice castles, yeah, you

know, this kind of stuff. So I
did all of that. And then I had

a relative that said, come on up
to Oklahoma City. There's this

place called the Oklahoma Opry
which is like a Grand Ole Opry

thing. And it was in an old
theater, and it was like a Grand

Ole Opry thing. Had a band, a
house band. And so I came out

and I played a version. I think
it was Frankie and Johnny into

this. And so I was doing the
boogie woogie thing. And then I

thought, I'm going to try
singing. So then I did that, and

that launched. I was 14 years
old, and every weekend was gone,

playing all over Oklahoma, all
over Texas, great, my, my, my

famous Garth Brooks story. I
actually beat Garth Brooks in a

talent contest in Oklahoma City
at a big nightclub. This is,

hey, this is groundbreaking
news.

This whole, has this ever been
story? Ever been told on a

podcast? I don't know, ladies
and gentlemen, this is a

premiere. I

don't know. I think, you know,
it's a shame Garth couldn't get

his career going after that. He
was so decimated. But he walked,

I'll never forget, he walked up
to me. He was in school, I

believe it's Stillwater, and he
was Garth then. I mean, he's

fully the entertainer that he is
now. And he rubs me on the head,

and he goes, I know if I get
beat, it's gonna be by this punk

kid. And it was at this
nightclub, which, obviously I'm

underage, but it was, I think it
was called Henson's after Henson

Cargill or something. It became
Doc severinsens, and then became

something else, wow. But the
guys that were in the house

band, most of them became George
straits, main band for a long

time. Yeah, and that's where I
learned to chart number charts.

Yeah, were they? Were they
doing? Reading the numbers at

the Oklahoma Opry.

Yes, they did there too. So they
may have learned it from some

Kath, you know, the Nashville
Number System. So, but that

started a whole other thing. So
I just, and that's how I ended

up going to college, because I
got scholarships from places to

play and promote the school, and
then going to school in Abilene,

Christian University in Abilene
Texas,

Abilene Texas, Yeah, isn't that
a heavy female

school? It was at the time, yes,
yes, and yes,

it was in your favor. It was
now, did you meet your I did. I

sure. Did you go that's been
together a long time, 36 years.

Wow. Good for

you. About it, she's still, you
know, she's still serving her

sentence, and

that's that celebration for
Peter, BB and J, man, yeah,

what? What is the anniversary
gift for 36 years? You know, the

first year, it's like string or
something.

I think it's leave and give me a
week in peace.

Leave me the hell alone. Yeah,

that's kind of the that's sort
of the MO, no, she's she, I'm

married way up. And what's funny
is, she's a total city girl.

She's from Dallas, yeah, and I
don't when she met me, she was

like, Who is this, rube? You
know, she was on a date, and I

was playing a gig on campus, and
her dates, like, I want to meet

this guy. And she's like,
really, I don't why this boogie

woogie guy? Yeah, why do you
want to? She was totally not

interested. Well, how did this
turn? I don't know. I was at the

I was poor on campus, and so I
lived in, you know, campus

housing, and ate in the
cafeteria and all that stuff. So

I was at our little post office,
and I see these two girls, and

they were kind of snickering and
looking at me. I'm like, what's

going on? And they went, we know
who likes you. And, of course,

and I was just one of these
people that was like, whoo,

what? Please. Yeah, the love of
God, yeah. Like, someone does a

female actually, like a big bang
theory cast me. Oh, yeah. It

was, I was pitiful, you know,
still great, but, and so, and

she was big city girl. It was
Texas. She had the giant blonde

hair with the thing, Dallas. No,
she never did the fence, yeah,

that coral reef looking thing
that

held back the sheep, yeah,
you're

getting a package delivered.
Looks like, but she, you know,

she did these. And everybody did
them. I called them audio

scoops, where they would take
the blonde hair to the side and,

like, how would she do it? I
think you would hit it with some

hairspray and then hit with a
whole a hairdryer real quick,

and it would freeze into this
wall so that I make it sound so

great debutant Harris, yeah, and
I swear all the girls had this,

and you could probably hear for
miles. It was like a satellite

dish, the

modern day equivalent of lip
filler.

Everyone's Yeah, but she's
great. She's beautiful. And

yeah, she still tolerates me for
some reason.

But how did it go from like, you
know, this guy, I want to meet

this guy. I'm kind of a name. I
don't know. Yeah, I really don't

know. Did he have any idea that,
you know, eventually he's going

to be taking my girl, you know?
I

think that she was that he was
not an item with her at all. And

I'd never saw myself. I never
had a real girlfriend. I was

always gone on weekends, and I
looked like a weirdo. I was just

a scrawny kid, and so I thought
there's no way this chick is

interested in me. Jeff, I never
did the mullet, no no long hair.

I've always been a guy that
whatever everybody else is

doing, I can't do that, right?
So that's great. I'm like apple.

Think different. Yeah, it's not
a noble thing. It's probably, I

couldn't pull it off if I wanted
to, but I found out that she

liked man. I thought on, you
know, on paper, we have

absolutely nothing in common,
but it's weird, like when we've

tracked man, yeah, it could be
Yeah, because where I'm cynical

and a smart alec and all those
things, She's sensitive and

caring, and she all this kind of
Yeah, so we just fit together

great. And she always, you know,
find sees the great stuff in

people, and I'm always dubious,
like they're up to something.

Yeah,

I saw that face when you saw me
for the first time.

I always try to subscribe to,
don't say anything about anyone

unless it's good. You know

what I mean? If you can't say
something nice, say nothing.

Yes, that's good one. I don't
subscribe to that. So, so

anyway, so you're all over the
place. You got, you're getting

10,000 hours in in your teens,
probably, yeah, but then this is

what I'm fishing for. Are you
jumping in a van, playing in a

band? You're trying to get a
record deal how? You know, but

in Nashville, I thought I was
going to, that's all I'd done.

And, I mean, we'd had people
come to campus, you know, big

acts and stuff like little Texas
and all these people, and I

would be the opening act. It's
awesome. So my goal was, I want

people to go, how boring was
that opening I mean, how boring

was the main act? We'd have just
crazy. Party, we'd play, you

know, party songs and stage
diving and silly string and just

bananas, yeah? And then the act,
the big act, would come on, and

they're kind

of like, oh yes, you know,
where's the silly string? Yeah,

that's what we were. That's kind
of what we hope for. But, you

know, and I was doing sort of my
weird version, my music that I

started writing back then was
like, if Jerry Lee Lewis and

Prince and the Red Hot Chili
Peppers all got together, it's

fantastic. And stuff

is this, is this documented
somewhere? Maybe audio cassette?

Nah, no, no,

not really. And the proof and
the truth is, when I moved here,

I started, I worked in a
clothing store for a while. Jana

worked at Dillards for a bit on
the makeup counter. This is like

Green Hills Mall, yeah, before
it was all connected, this is

back in the day, nice. And I
thought, well, I want to, I want

to learn all this. So I went out
on the road. Well, actually, I

met you. Marcus. Humming was one
of my first contacts. And such

an

amazing guy, massive songwriter,
for those who don't know, in

a freaking genius, just creative
person and wonderful family. I

love Marcus, yeah. And he kind
of, he kind of gave me a chance.

First, I played on some demos of
his and played live with him for

a while, and met some other
amazing musicians in the in the

birth of all of this, yeah. And
I kind of figured out, as you

know, you dip your toe in the
business part of it then, and

that's when I started to the
seed was planted. Of I don't

want to have anything to do with
that. And everybody thought I

would come out here and do bands
and be an act and all that

stuff. And I'm a much more
behind the scenes kind of

person. It's just not, I didn't,
I wasn't interested in doing

that at all. So

bringing your strengths and
musical abilities to bring a

thing together, to create a
product for someone that

resonated with you. What was the
first recording? Doing his

demos? Probably doing his but
then, how did that thing start

to

he, you know, he got a record
deal for not nearly long enough.

He's such an amazing he was more
lonely writer. He was a great

writer, and he's a true artist
in the sense that, you know, we

played, I went did a van tour
with him, the van and trailer

thing with some amazing other
players. And they put us, is his

booking agency, put us in some
horrible, like, Honky Tonk

situations, which he is not.
Yeah, the place that we played

that fit him was like the
Birchmere in Boston. It's a

listening room, more blue
British, yeah, which you hear

what he's trying to say and what
he's doing. And it's, that's

where it's at. It's not, you
know, Honky Tonk, but donkey

donk or whatever, and no line
dancing, right? He's not that

guy. Nothing against that play
Tulsa time. Yeah, it's just,

he's not that guy. And, but,
yeah, that taught me a bunch.

And then that kind of ping pong,
there was a group of people,

some people wanted to develop
what I did, and it just never

really, I never had the real
desire to take that any further.

And I fell into doing the
session thing. Oh, I did go out

on the road. I did do that for
about a little over a year with

McBride and the ride, yeah, the
Wikipedia, yeah. And I still see

Terry occasionally. Terry
McBride, he wears me out of

that. Dude

was Gary Gary Morrison, the
band,

oh my gosh, we were roomies for
a while. And you talk about the

odd couple,

yeah, that's crazy, yeah. And
then Vince gills, drummer,

Billy, Billy Thomas. Billy
Thomas, pillar of a guy. I

loved. All those guys. Had a lot
of fun. I

keep telling them to come on the
show. I see him all the time,

Billy. He's like, I'm so busy
with Vince. I'm like, we'll make

it happen. Yeah? This, this is
the thing is, I call in these

things. I make it happen. I bug
people until there's

Yes, I'll do it. You've got some
tenacity. Yeah, Mr. Redmond,

well, you know, it's like
herding cats, but it is, you

know, it's a

I knew that when I booked you
one time we were gonna have to

reschedule. We only rescheduled
once because you're just so

busy. I mean, the fact that
every time I end up on a

session, you're doing it, you
know what? I mean, it's crazy.

Well, you're that means you're

doing a lot of that's very
sweet. Yeah, I'm doing less than

I used to. Yeah, I'm feeling it
begin to slow down a little bit.

Do you

feel like but now so? So if it
slows down, it's never going to

slow down, and we're just but if
it continues on this like path,

what are you going to do in
these later? Is there a thing

that you want to do, like,
compose your own music, write

for TV and film, get into
another What's the thing

for your 60s? I'm thinking about
goat yoga. No, yeah. What is

that all about? So annoying. Oh,
terrible, terrible dad joke. I'm

really in the middle of that
right now. Yeah, there you go.

He's a little late, but it's
okay. Yeah, I'm literally in the

middle of all that right now.
I'm kind of trying to figure out

I'm sort of redefining my life
right now,

if it's a wave of magic wand,
what would it be at the

moment? I love production. Well.
I'm very much. Strangely, people

don't know this about me. Well,
this

is another secret you're
revealing on the rich Redmond

show. Yeah, you said you do some
woohoo ghost production.

Yeah, I do some. I do a lot of
pop my actually, my love is pop

stuff. Yeah, I know. I play
piano and early and all that,

and there's guys in town that do
it way better than me, but I

love synthesizers and
programming and all that kind of

crazy stuff. I've always been a
knob twiddler, ever since, when

I was doing the classical thing
at a university close to my

hometown, they had a mini mogue
in a closet, and I was like,

what is that? And they loaned me
a pair of headphones, and they

had to peel me out of there day
after day, because I just

was fascinated with it. Well, is
that the one with the you're

plugging in? Oh, no, I've got
one of those. That's a modular,

a

modular, whoa, that's at the
house. And somebody used to come

over when I was riding a lot.
They'd come over and they'd look

at it

in there. Oh, it looks like one
of those, any acts, or EV acts,

which were the first computers,
takes up in a giant room.

It's, well, it's not that big.
It's pretty sizable for what it

is. And it's just, it's like
Legos for sound. If I have time,

I get into sound design and I
can, I can nerd out modular.

You, I'm sure had a DX seven I

did. And by the time I really
learned to program it, which the

interface is one slider, you
find the parameter, and you push

this button and you control it's
it's a nightmare to program, but

they sold a lot. They did it's a
really, really powerful

instrument. The interface is
horrible, but by the time I

really got to where I could
program great sounds on it, you

get laughed out of the studio.
If you walked in with one,

they're kind of getting cool

again. They're coming back like
corduroys. They are, yeah,

can't sneak up on people in
cords.

What about the Oberheim OB X,

massive synth, massive I didn't
own one. I've got kind of a

knockoff version of it now on a
rack mount of it, ubX, it's

called, but

you know what that one is? Rich?
Oh, yeah.

Did you? Did you have all your
drum machines, your RX sevens

and your SR sixteens and your SR
18, and your 808, and your 909

so wish I had a couple of those.
I love a physical device. I

mean, you could get all those
things now in like an app for

$2.99 the same, not the same as
playing, actually, like you

could play Pac Man on an iPhone.
But there's not like getting

that wood paneled Atari with you
get the this phallic,

yeah, Joy. Do I want it to be
harder? Let me flick on

difficulty. Oh, my god, wow. But
I mean, my brother had

actually Pac Man over. Oh, dang.
I mean, I was a Pac Man. I

played it to the point where you
go to the very end, if there is

an end of a game I got there

dang man, yeah, I could do that.
Yeah, spend some time on that

machine. Dude,

how many levels of Pac Man?
There was just so many. And then

I, then I had galaka, and then
you had Centipede, and then you

had dig, dug, and then berserker
defender,

Battle Zone. I love, I loved
battle zone. I loved, how about

adventure? Tempest, venture.
Tempest,

Pitfall was cool. You're jumping
over the you land on the

crocodile's

heads. Yeah.

Tempest was that crazy one with
that yellow thing that crawls

around the geometric shape,
yeah. Oh,

it was. It was with the dial,
all the orders I spent, oh,

going up to

Stop and Shop and playing Space
Invaders,

Stop and Shop. Oh, my God,
that's Connecticut. Dude,

totally.

We had the Wagga bag, yeah? Not
in Mangan. We didn't have

anything in mango. You had

to drive to Altus.

Altus, yeah, Altos, yeah. My
brother had a Juno 106.

That's a good one too. Yeah,
that's the class of the 80s.

Yeah, good. That

was similar. That was a less
expensive version of the obi

eight, I

believe. But, well, way less
complicated than an OB eight,

yeah, because the OBX was the
jump

keyboard, but the current gear,
he shows up with it with, with

a, like, a synth that's like,
maybe, like three, three

octaves, and you it's, and then
you go into your MacBook,

well, what I show up with now is
literally just a controller.

Yeah, it's a controller. It's an
88 key controller, and it's a

soft set, right? Yeah, a lot of
it is, I still, if I if,

depending on 90% of the time
around here, I don't need to

bring anything other than my
laptop and that, because the

studio will have, usually have
an organ, usually have a piano

or two, they might have a Rhodes
or a whirly, and even if they

don't, I got all of that stuff
covered. Anyways, yeah, even the

Oregon, which can be really
rough, but I've figured out a

way to get and I can't even, I
can't even begin to tell you how

many, how many freaking records
my laptop, b3 has on that no one

could tell the difference. It's
crazy. And it's, you know, it's

hard, because getting the Leslie
writes the hard part, the

Doppler effect of the spinning,
yeah, they Yeah, they Yeah,

yeah, that's the hardest bit,
and it's coming from my laptop.

People cannot believe it's I'd
prefer to play the real one,

obviously virtual instruments,
and they've gotten good. Back

when they first started, they
were horrible, but they've

really gotten good. The

last virtual thing to get better
is, is electronic symbols. So a

symbol is so complex. It's such
a crazy instrument. I mean, it's

in the Bible, you know, symbols,
getting it to sound good off of

a pad with, you know, dynamic
range, especially high hats.

It's still is the Achilles heel
of

electronic percussion. If I'm
programming drum stuff at the

house and I want it to have hi
hat. I'll drag the real hi hat

over and play it. There's just
so many subtleties

of the tip of the stick and the
shank of the stick and opening

your foot pressure. And it's a
gorgeous instrument. I mean, the

hi hat is actually defines, I
think, a feel of a drummer more

than any part of the

kit. I wish. I think nerf should
make hi hats, though, because it

seems to bleed into all the
other drums.

Yeah, there's come up with,
socially, this guy came up with

this thing. He sent me one. I
haven't used it yet. It's called

the hi hat husher, and it wraps
around that thing. Yeah, yeah.

So Chris McCarthy's got one, and
nears got one, and I've got one

sitting at the house. I just
need to break it

out. It looks like the arm out
of a 70s like van, you know,

like a the barrel chairs that
they would have. It looks like

that. But I probably need to buy
some new hi hat symbols, because

the ones I have are a little too
bright. They cut too much. I

want some dark.

Get some fifteens or 16.
Everyone's went big, yeah, so

that because they it takes up
less Sonic space and leaves

enough more space for the
acoustics.

But, you know, you said hats,
it's funny, 808 my, my favorite

drum scene of all time, not what
the kids go hey, you got your

808 it doesn't work. It's not a
bass instrument. It's, it's the

Roland TR, 808 which I still
wish I had one. Call it a rhythm

composer, yeah. And that thing,
there's a great documentary out

there about the 808 Yeah. It's
fantastic about the beginnings.

And Roland had like eight
employees. And back in the early

days, everybody had those organs
where you hit, like, Foxtrot,

you know, Bossa and all that
stuff. And so they were wanted

to make a rhythm machine. And
they came out with the with an

808, and the, or maybe it was
even before that. But the sound,

what reason? I'm sorry, blow

the documentary. I wrote that
down. Yeah, Jim, we should look

it up and see if we

can find guy goes down there.
They didn't have a lot of money.

They went down the street to
this other big Japanese

manufacturer of electronics, and
all of the there's a, I don't

know if it was a transistor or
capacity, something that didn't

come up to spec. They threw it
in a bin. It was faulty, and

Roland would buy those faulty
transistors, or whatever it was

nice. Those are the things that
made the symbol sound. So over

time, obviously, manufacturing
and design got better. They

parted themselves out of
existence, so that that little

high sizzle that's in an 808
symbol, that's a faulty

electronic

that's amazing to hear. Wow. And
Roland did mighty fine. They

just acquired DW drums. Really,
they are the parent company of

for DW drums. Isn't that
incredible?

Wow, crazy. I bought my first
synth, my own personal synth in

Japan. Yeah. I bought a Korg
poly 61

that's all I could afford. Is
it? When you toured Japan with

somebody?

No, I went on an exchange thing.
I was going over there to in

college. Actually, this was, it
was a junior in high school.

Wow. Yeah, it was really cool. I
love those people. I

really want to get to Tokyo.
I've been to the outskirts, like

small town Japan. But, you know,
Tokyo, apparently, is a another

planet.

Oh, it's massive. It's so
massive. But the people are

wonderful, yeah, they're
respectful. And this high rise,

and it was called the Ginza,
it's kind of like Madison Avenue

in Tokyo, gotcha. And they, this
family I was staying with, took

me, and it was like eight floors
of musical gear. What? So they

dropped me off, and, of course,
everything is just stacked up,

and I came home with great use
of space. Yeah, yeah. Very it's,

it's crazy. I came home with
this weird little Drum Synth

that mounts on the rim of a drum
and somehow triggers it had, I

don't think I ever got it to
come on, right, or whatever I

had that. I got that poly 61
they were these people cracked

me up. We drive down the road
and a car had passed, and it was

like, a Toyota Celica Supra,
something like that. And then

they'd go, you like, car? You
know, the two sons spoke a

little bit of English. And I'm
like, Yeah, it's cool, you know,

did whip into a dealership, like
I'm gonna buy a car? I had all

these giant piles of packets and
in Japanese over I don't know

what they thought, you know,
but, oh, my, wonderful,

wonderful, polite, just gracious
people. I love them.

Yeah? Love I gotta get there,
got it?

Yeah, you do. It's, it's
amazing.

Never been to China,

nope, no, never been to China.
Never been to the continent of

Africa. Traveled kind of
everywhere else. But,

yeah, Africa is, I mean, this
is,

you know, we're covering some
topics today. That's the

motherland. I mean, dude, I
mean, and we never. Get there,

no, but Egypt is in Yeah, yeah,
that stuff in Africa. Oh, you've

been to Egypt? Yeah, been Egypt.
Yeah, you know Nick, Nick Buda.

Everyone says Buddha is from
South Africa.

Oh, yeah, you know the country,
South Africa. Yeah, way to you

reminding me something? How do
you count off the track? I'm

trying to remember, because
every drummer has got a

different

count off. So I'll probably go
one two, yeah,

very short percussive. So, so
you know where the transients

are? Yeah,

yeah. So kind of like I used to
watch engineers, when they punch

in and out, they all have a
different technique. You've got

the ones where the button's hot.
You've got the ones that are the

side. Swipers. Swipers. You've
got the sneak up on the remote.

This is back when we were on
tape machines. There's all those

different Hey. Drummers all have
that. I noticed the other night

I was working Steve Brewster,
I've known forever, will not say

the number one. It's always two.
One is never a heavy guttural,

yeah. And you said Nick. His
thing is, I think it's the

accent pops out on the number
two. It's always one tool. It's

like a toll. It's a funny little
two. Listen for it.

Oh yeah, because that's his,
that's his South African. It

must be coming out. What are
some other interesting

ones? Miles has a weird one. He
seems like he's always, he goes

into, like a kid voice a lot
when he's doing one what you

know, his voice is already high.
Yes, so he does it sounds like a

little kid, like

miles could definitely do
cartoon voiceover. Now, I can't

imagine you guys in a room
together, because you just know,

if he or his dad, you have a
freaking frack

thing that that's that, that
energy. Well, Jerry, his dad,

I've known him forever, and
Jerry's speaking voice is

everything's from, like, I don't
know, 2k and above and so, and

he'll start this routine of, you
know, I woke up with the blues

this morning, and he'll do this
little blues lick in his voice.

And I, I had a broken rib one
time, and I hired him on a

record, and I when, and someone
said something that triggered

him doing one of his bits. I
literally ran out of the room

because I knew I was gonna start
laughing and I might black out

from pain. Oh my. But when he's
when he's on, I'll be quiet. If

you want to see me really quiet,
just have one of those guys.

I'll be quiet. It's just too
much. It's too much the place

might, might burn down. Yeah,
it's too much idiocy in one

space.

Yeah. No, I that's interesting.
I go, I go with the short and my

band gets me to do the
countdown, because they play

Playstation hockey on the bus
and so and but they bet on it,

so they've got heads or tails,
and they choose teams or No, I

know it is when they choose
teams, it's the thing is

spinning. And then I go, one
two, right? And they are ready.

They hit the thing. And so they
go, no one does it like you. So

they get me out of my bunk.
We're choosing teams, and I'll

go, one two, ready. And then
they hit the thing, you know?

And it's like they play,

do you keep it in tempo, or do
you throw them off?

Sometimes I'll throw them off,
but they're waiting for that

last percussive

I never did the video game
thing. I had an Atari as a kid.

But, you know, everybody's a
gamer and stuff now have no

interest. I don't

get it, just too much now, with
too many dead gun buttons, duck,

run, grab, shoot, punch. You
know, we go to the map. We were

just firing

on your inventory. We had a
stick and a button. That's all I

could take. That's literally all
I could take. Well,

also, it got pretty scary. Well,
I mean, this is going back 15

years, which is crazy to think.
But you know that game Silent

Hill, yeah? Wait, really scary
movie about that. Look,

yeah, they made a movie about
the video game, but basically

like little damaged demon
children with knives coming and

hacking away at your legs.
Horror

movie game like, Resident Evil.
Resident Evil. That was like a

movie. Why?

Yeah. Well, they made seven of
them with the actress, the

model. What's her name? Mila
JoJo bitch. Yeah, she's

wonderful. I will watch those
movies over and over and over

there.

And that's darkness in our
culture already. Let's just,

let's get the kiddies involved.
Yeah,

let's turn the kids into
zombies.

You're saying my kids shouldn't
watch The Conjuring movies.

Oh, my God, Annabelle is the
most terrifying I've ever seen.

Have you heard about what
happened recently? No, because

they're taking Annabelle on
tour.

The actual doll, the actual
movie is based on, yes, wow.

And apparently, the guy who is
like a ghost, supernatural

researcher of note from
Connecticut, yeah, who, I guess

worked with, Lorraine Warren,
had a tragic, like, a colossal

heart attack while on the tour.

Well, yeah, because, and I was
like, watch this. Yeah, that

stuff's real. Speaking of which,
all of your your website, your

wiki, your marketing materials,
have a wiki. Well, it says,

Christ follower. It's Oh, big
time so, but you're so wacky. I

would never know. Who knows we
could be wacky. I know, but, but

sometimes when I just. When you
lead with that, to me, it just

seems like your your button is
going all the way your top

button is all the way up there.

So that's an even more so today,
the last two years, that's that

is really my that is my biggest
focus now. So

is it a thing where you do a
little reading every day?

Definitely,

yeah, do a little reading. Do a
lot of reading, do a lot of

praying, do a lot of thinking,
do the

Bible study thing. Oh, big time.
That's good. Yeah, men's group,

you do your

all of it. There. All of it. You
know, it's funny too, because I

grew up, I grew up going to
church, being the good kid my my

older brother, God bless him. I
love my brother so much. But

his, his health is terrible, and
when he was young, he did

everything to drive my parents
crazy and partied and just in

that part of the world,
everybody knows everybody's

business, and got in trouble and
just tried and did everything.

And he's really paying a hefty
price for it, but I saw the wake

of destruction that his
lifestyle. You know,

we're talking like food, booze,
women,

all of drugs, alcohol, party,
yeah, all of it. He was married

at 18, at a kid, just so, so
full of promise, and then just

wanted to be a dad and a grown
up immediately. And I just

thought, not gonna do that. So I
was Mr. T toddler, all that

stuff my whole life. I was the
good kid. Yeah, that explained

why I didn't have a lot of
girlfriends. The parents loved

me, yeah, the girls were not
interested because I was a

goody, goody, you know.

But always, you were the guy
they complained about not being

able to meet later on in life.
How come I came in a nice guy,

yeah, you know, but then look at
him.

But funny thing is, I'd gone to
church my whole life, and Jesus

was always, kind of, to be
honest, was always kind of a

concept, you know, we'd use the
language of, you know, I have a

relationship with or whatever
you kind of use that sort of

Christian ease. But in the last
year and a half, it has gotten

real. It's gotten really real.
It's really less. It's

completely up ended. And my wife
and I, she's actually ahead on

the same kind of path as me, but
she's, you know, she's home

more, and the kids are grown,
and so she's in deeper than I

am, and I She's far more like I
said. She's just softer and

accepts things more on face
value. And I have to, I have to

examine it from every
conceivable angle, because I'm

just naturally skeptical and all
of that

interesting. I accept things at
face value. I think I'm also a

kind of a pushover.

I am not. I am always the flow,
blah, blah, blah.

Then just show me where the
drums are, as long as I can play

the drum. Yeah, you know. But
no, that's good self examination

and all that stuff is so it's
just, it's gotten really

important in the last

couple it is it? I mean, I'm
that's why I'm kind of trying to

figure out what I do now,
because I've been feathering my

own nest for 35 years, 36 years,
and I'm kind of like, what am I

actually here for? I know it
sounds like a two thirds life

crisis, but it's it. The funny
thing was about a year and a

half ago is when it really
started kind of happening. I say

that this was a catalyst
anything, uh, well, you know,

obviously 2020, was horrible for
everybody, yeah, and it was a

record setting bad year for us.
Of course, the covid thing

happened way. Our family dog had
died. My we had lots of deaths

in the family. I found out my
wife's grandmother, who had died

two years prior. We found out
that year that she had actually

been killed by a serial killer.
What? Yeah, I know everybody

goes what? This guy in Texas was
made some news. He killed at

least 24 to 25 people, all
retired, mostly women in like

nursing facilities. He would
pretend to be a maintenance man,

oh my gosh. And then he'd go in
and strangle him seal their

jewelry. And they finally, they
finally caught him. He went to

prison, and he got killed in
prison, so he's probably in a

toasty spot. Oh yeah. But we
found all of that out. There was

a legal stuff involving my late
mother in law. Yeah, jana's mom

died. It was a rough year. It
was a lot, and that was kind of

like, you know, you get hit with
all that stuff and, you know,

familial issues and with kids,
and it's like, what, what am I

doing? You start really kind of
examining, and out of the blue

God starts dropping what I call
starts dropping weirdos in my

life. And I mean that in the in
the sweetest of sense, because I

grew up in a very legalistic
background. I was to check the

box. Got to get it right, kind
of guy. And these are people

that have made a huge impact,
because they don't live like

anybody that I know at all. Who
are these people? They're like

modern day apostles, the kind of
guys that literally, you if you

were with one of these guys. A
typical scenario, and I've used

this before, is, hey, I got to
stop in Walgreens. Okay? And you

go in and I'm looking for
deodorant, and I can't find my

friend. Is a hypothetical, but
this is exactly the thing that

happens. I can't find him. I
look and he's got an employee in

the back holding crying. He's
praying over them. Who does

this, this kind of stuff, and
who, what? Huh? I had this sweet

Indian kid come to my house when
I was doing music, one of my

other side hustles for faith.
Hustles for Facebook, and he

would show up in a in an old
car, and the next day, at the

time, I'd see him, he's in a
different old, beat up car. What

happened to the last car? Oh,
this family needed so I gave it

to him. Well, Whose car is this?
Another guy just gave it to me.

I'm like, Where are you living?
Oh, like, a yeah, they're just

giving cars and he literally, he
moved here. God told him to move

here. He listened. He saved up
all the money he could for like,

600 bucks and a suitcase, got to
the airport, and then he's like,

now what? So he 100% faith, wow.
Now he's married, he's got kids,

he's doing this mission work,
and he would roll up one day he

was late. I was like, Dude,
where what's, what's going on

your lace, and I'm sorry, in the
mornings, I'll do Uber. And I

picked up a girl this morning at
a liquor store. I said, Okay.

Said, yeah, she had all of this
hard liquor. And he's like, you

gotta, you gotta put party
tonight. She goes, No, I'm gonna

go home. Drink all this I can
because I'm killing myself

today. And he drove her around
for the next two and a half

hours and told her about Jesus
and saves

her. Oh, she's, she said that
for a reason. He is. And

that's when I realized guys like
him, there are no coincidences.

Well, he's, he's obedient very
much. So, you know, I think in

those situations, God gives you
more opportunities to be

obedient. That's dude, Jim.
That's what I'm talking about. I

want. I've had now as Mr.
Skeptic, I've had a few episodes

of things that my rational
reasoning brain cannot

comprehend, and so it is
completely upset the apple cart

and my whole life. And whatever
that drug is, I want it. I want

to be addicted to it. And that's
that's I told a guy this

morning, had a meeting with a
guy I really admire this

morning, and I said, Man, if it
whatever it is now, if it

doesn't have life in it, I have
no interest in it at all. And

thank God that you know. God has
been he's blessed us

financially. I've been investing
for a really long time, and so

he's he's just always kept the
bills paid. I've never bounced a

check. And I know that he's, you
know, he's given. He's always

come through on provision, so I
don't even worry about any of

that stuff. It's kind of like
what, you know, people say,

Well, what are you what are you
trying to do? And I'm like, I'm

currently, I really don't know.
All I know is I, I use the

analogy of, I want to be a
glove, just an empty glove.

That's all I am. And I want him
to fill that glove up and use it

for something he's doing, if
it's music, great. If he says, I

want you to sell everything and
move to Botswana or wherever and

dig wells I'm in. Yeah, I don't
care what it is.

Well, it's interesting the year
of this, at this point of

reinvention, and that you're
you're open to that because you

have made See, our skill set is
one of bringing, helping, to

bring other people's dreams to
fruition

every day. I hope so

well we do now because, because
I don't know this might, might

resonate with but, but I have,
like, a purpose statement for my

life, and my purpose is to
affect people in a positive way

and change their lives. To me,
that's, I can do that with the

drumming. I could do that with
music. I could do that through

teaching, through education. So,
so that's my why. And I, I know

it works. You know what I mean?
So I so that gives me, you know,

like a purpose, a blueprint, a
laser focus for the next. I

don't know. I think I'm gonna,
hope I get another 30 years. I

don't

know why you wouldn't. You know,
because you're one of the most

positive people I have ever met.
Oh, I like to hear that. I

appreciate that, man. I mean, I
know lots of good drummers, but

you, you are a unique, very
unique individual. I love your

positivity. Well, thanks,
partner. I always admire that.

But yeah, he's God is doing
weird, wacky, weird, wacky

stuff.

Yeah, you're at this interesting
crossroads. It's a chapter

that's,

honestly, that's what gets me
out of bed in the morning. Now,

is learning, because I figured
out that what I thought I had a

lock on what the whole religion
thing looked like, and it ain't

about any of it. Yeah, it's,
it's just about its relationship

has nothing to do with the,
really, the religiosity, which

is what was my whole, you know,
the dogma, yeah, I'm having to

unlearn so many things, yeah.
And it's, it's just, it's

amazing. It's,

I mean, in that situation, even
with my kids growing up, they

went to, like, a Christian camp
one summer. Yeah, and they're

like, Dad, we want to be
baptized. And I was like, I

don't think you need to, because
you don't know why you're doing

it. Yeah, I don't

know why. Yeah, I recently got
baptized again. I was as a kid

about 11, because I thought,
hey, it's something I need to

do. And I was terrified. That's
what my friends are doing. Yeah?

Well, it went so much to that
I've always been. Me, but it was

still like, this is the right
thing to do. Mom and dad will

definitely be pleased. And I was
terrified, right? And I did it

this year on Easter. Again, it's
kind of like a re up. I wanted

to mark the day because I really
understand it now. Yeah, where

do you go to church? Well, I've
go to two right now, one on

Wednesdays and one on Sundays.
We, I've been teaching the kids

at Fellowship Bible over on
Concord road years and years.

And so we've been members there
by the YMCA right there. No,

it's right upon the there's like
three big there's a Brentwood

Baptist is up there. Oh yeah,
ours looks like a horse barn.

There's a bunch of there. And
then there's the another one,

anyways, try to Franklin Road
and Concord road, right there.

Gotcha. And so then we'd
finished, we'd go to, like,

early service. A lot of times.
We'd teach the kids. This year

it was fifth grade. And I love
all these kids. They're so

great. And then we would dash
over to this little church that

don't even have a sign. And
it's, it's a very much a It's

bananas. First time I went, I
was like, I don't know about

these people, it was, there was
a guy lying in the floor. There

was a woman in the

back tongue speaking in tongues,
all this stuff.

And I'm like, what is happening,
man? Because, you know, and but

what started all this to kind of
give you some history. After the

crazy year, my wife is really
getting involved. And we get

into a whole row one morning
over the prophetic and I wasn't

hip to what even that was. And
I'm like, is this some kind of,

like psychic ability stuff? And
she's talking, so I'm arguing.

I'm like, I don't believe it.
And she said, Well, there's a

church five minutes from here
that has a psychic, oh, not

psychic, sorry, wow. Has a
prophetic ministry. I'm like,

what time? So I was trying to
shut her up. I went over there

to win an argument, yeah. And
y'all, I sit down. I've never I

was dressed like I am now. I
don't scream musician. And you

know, they said, You have a
phone to record this with. I

thought, Okay, that's cool. She
said, this may not mean anything

to me or whatever. It may not
mean anything to you now, but

let's go ahead and record it. I
thought, well, that's cool. And

she's prays for about 20
seconds, and then launches in,

and what she starts describing
is stuff that I have dealt with

personally, like in my mind for
20 years. She's reading my mail,

and it's like two or three
people, and they start talking.

It's always in sort of a parable
way, but I knew exactly what

they were talking about. And I'm
trying not to give them a tell,

like, Oh, this is a trick, you
know. Needless to say, I was

fully freaked out, yeah? And
that's when I knew, that's the

that was to kick the door open,
because I thought, okay, there's

way more going on here than I

thought. A prophetic ministry,
interesting,

yeah? And it's, all, you know,
uplifting stuff. And there, I

know there's right now, there's
people like, I don't believe any

of that garbage, because I was
that guy. Yeah, I was totally

that guy. And for whatever
reason, he knows how dubious I

am of all of that stuff. And
that was the moment that it

started, the question, the big
question mark popped up. And

from then, it has been story
after story after story. Of just

weird. I feel like I'm living in
an X Files episode, yeah, and

it's been awesome because God's
got a funny sense of humor. And

now, when I tell people these
things that are going on, like

some of my little stories, to
anyone on past, I know they look

at me like, rose just lost its
mind. He's losing

it. Do other people that you've
known for 30 years see something

different in you?

You know, I don't know. I think
some people are like, yeah, you

seem different, because I'm
definitely a different person I

was a year ago. Wow. Oh,
definitely,

yeah, man, holy cow. Well, I'm
glad you're that's happening.

Oh, it's,

it's crazy. It's so much fun and
so crazy. I still, I still have

my days, but yeah, then he'll do
something and just blow my mind.

I feel like, yeah, I ever tell
you the story about the

Salvation Army when I was
working for mix 92 nine? No, so

I had it that we, at the time, I
was working for a group of radio

stations here in town, and we
did a lot of video, and I went

with Anna Marie Ritter over to
the Salvation Army right before

Thanksgiving for the Angel Tree
program, where all the people

basically submitted their
stories and applications to be

recipients of gifts so they
could give their kids Christmas

and stuff like that because they
didn't have the money. And we

interviewed this one woman, and
while I'm looking at her through

my viewfinder, I feel this like,
I kid you not, like a weight on

my shoulders and and it's, I'm
gonna get weepy talking about

this. It's okay, but

tell her I love her. And I'm
like,

I'm looking around, going,

Okay, I don't know where that
came from. You're supposed to

tell this person, yes, yeah, and
I didn't. So we kept on bouncing

around to different people. And
believe it or not, she kept on

popping up on my periphery every
time, no matter I was focused on

a group of kids outside. And
finally, after about three. Or

four instances of this. We're
interviewing some people, and

there she is, right in my left
periphery. And I every night the

weight got heavier and heavier
and, like, I was literally,

like, hunching over just trying
to keep myself upright. And

finally, I'm like, fine, right,
right. Okay, you know I got it.

So I go up to this woman. I
said, Hey, remember Me Before

You know I was she's like, Oh
yeah, you want the camera and

everything. Said, yeah, I gotta
tell you something. I don't

normally do this. This is just
something. I feel like I need to

tell you this, but I feel like
God needs to let you know that

you're loved and that he loves
you, and she just Niagara Falls.

And as soon as I said it, I was
like,

interesting. I kid you not,
dude. So he's kind of, that's

how he happened. He's kind of
whispering in your

ear. Okay, you're gonna think
this is funny. That is what my

son does. Now it's all of this
craziness has spilled over onto

him, but that is the exact thing
I've been with him. So he hears

he gets this prompting, whatever
it is he wait, is how you

described it. Yeah, I'll butcher
this story. I'll gotta be quick.

My middle son is my outdoorsman.
The kid loves if he's not

hunting, shooting something,
fishing, he's just not happy.

And he and a friend who, all of
his friends are great, but this

kid's non believer. But they
they love to fish the caning.

They go trout fishing, good
fishermen. And his buddies got a

boat, and they love and they go
like every weekend, nearly So,

on one occasion, not too long
ago, and I'm going to butcher

this story. And he's, he'll kill
me. But anyway, they were coming

back, and they love to stop on
the east side of town. Maybe

it's in Lebanon. There's a lot
of burger out there. Oh, yeah.

And so they stopped on the way
back. They go in to get their

hamburgers and fries and stuff.
And they they were sitting

outside on the tables outside
before it got too ridiculously

hot like it is now. And this
hits him. And this happens. I've

been with him on occasion when
it's this has happened, and I

can just tell he gets this. Gets
this look like, oh, no, I've got

to do this. Yeah, it's this
pressure. And he's like, it's so

uncomfortable for him. And of
course, his buddy has no idea

what's happening. He goes, give
me a second, and he's supposed

to go inside and talk to this
guy that's inside. Whataburger.

Okay? So he walks in, this guy's
there with his wife or

girlfriend or whatever, and he
says, sir, I'm sorry. I don't

want to interrupt you here, but
this is going to sound crazy,

but I feel like, Holy Spirit
whatever is telling me that I

don't know if you just got a new
job or whatever, but I'm

supposed to tell you, keep it
up. You're doing a great job.

Stay with it. Wow. And the wife,
or whatever opens her mouth,

like, looks at him, at her
husband, or whoever, like what.

And he kind of looks at my son,
and he's like, Okay, well, thank

you very much. I needed to hear
that, or whatever. So he's like,

you know, good. He goes and
finishes his hamburger. They

throw their trash away. And as
he's walking back to the truck,

a white pickup is comes roaring
up, and this kid's roughly my

son's age, goes, Hey, come here,
and waves him over. And of

course, my son, sailor, is like,
what is happening now? And as he

approaches this kid, this kid's
he's roughly his age, he starts

crying. And he's like, what is
happening? And he said, Man, I

drove 40 miles out of the way to
eat here tonight. I never come

this way. I just felt like I
should. I had to come to

Whataburger. Big plug for
Whataburger. Yeah, I had to come

here tonight. And it's weird
because I just felt compelled to

come. And I've always wondered
if things like what I saw. And

it turns out he was inside. Were
other people around, I guess,

and Sailor paid him no mind at
all, but he said, I always

wondered if stuff like that
actually happened. And he said,

You have no idea how much that
means to me. And that was

devastating. I mean, my son was
just like, wow. I thought this

was for that person. Turns out
it was. There are other people

that it was for within Well,
yeah, and that's the kind of he

deals with that stuff. That's
cool. And, I mean, I could, we

don't, you don't have the
podcast time of all the

wackiness that's happening,
that's crazy, yeah, yeah. But

it's, it's gotten it's real, so
it's real real. Now,

that's how Hallie happened.
Who's Hallie? My daughter, my

third daughter. That was

that you what you got amorous
that night,

or something? No, no, no. It
wasn't like anything that I was

against having a third child. I
just wanted to keep it at two.

Oh, she got whispered too, and
Courtney was she's like, well, I

just feel like we need three.
And I'm like, No, I said I've

seen, you know, the second child
was a little bit more difficult,

Spencer, and it took a toll

or three. You got to switch up
your defense. You got to go

zone, right? Man to man. So

we had, you know, I was coming
around the bend of Saturn

Parkway on the 65 coming home
from work, and this is, like,

months long, and she had
finally, like, just given it up

and was just going to be okay.
Have to be learning to be okay

with just two as I'm. Sounding
that curve I hear, give her what

she wants.

Wow. Jim,

okay, just out of the blue. Out
of the blue. Yeah,

you're on the way to the
vasectomy, and you heard the

I go to, you know, I come home,
and I said, so this is what

happened. Told her, she started
crying, and she's like, well,

that's funny, because today was,
I was just reserved today, it

wouldn't have today it wouldn't
happen. Wow, today I just made

my decision that it wasn't going
to happen and I would have to be

okay with it, yeah, and
reconcile it. I said, No, we're

supposed to do this. And within
a month,

you're like, boom, let's start
right now, some

of that homemade sourdough, and
go upstairs, specifically

whenever she drank vodka. Oh
yeah,

that's a good thing. Hey. So
just this is incredible and

everything. But just so we could
say we had a music podcast. Who

were your favorite keyboard
players, who was like an

inspiration to you? Or was there
a band that was an inspiration?

Oh

my gosh, no. I'm a total weirdo,
because, like all of the

musician, music that everybody
is supposed to, you know, you

don't like Steely Dan, yeah,
it's fine, whatever. Yeah, it's,

it's too it's like, get jazz
guys that just like, we want

more girls. So, yeah, they mixed
rock with their Jazz, or

whatever, got into it, yeah,
rock, yeah.

I've always obviously, well, I
mean,

anything like synth heavy stuff.
I've been like a Depeche Mode

fan for years. Of course, the
80s, when I graduated high

school at 85 was the epicenter
of, like, synth wave and all

that kind of stuff. Now there's
a lot of bad stuff.

Aha, Kaji, goo, goo. You know,
Wang, Chung.

It became, it became cool to
tote around a keyboard back

then. But there's something
about like, when I was on the

road, I remember buying
everybody was listening to sting

10 summoners tales like crazy,
seminal. It's just wonderful

record. And that's at the same
time that I was reading about

producers and all their impact
and stuff. And there's this

famous British producer they
call flood, which is a nickname,

because I think he dumped a
bunch of a drink into a console

or something. Oh, my God, it's
horrible, yeah. But floods done

a lot of really pivotal records
for people. But Depeche Mode

went to him and said, We want to
make a record. That's like, you

too. And then you too, unknown
to them, had gone to flood and

said, We want to make a record
that's like Depeche Mode. So you

get zeropa from YouTube, right?
And songs of faith and devotion

was Depeche Mode. And that's,
it's a really dark layer, layer

upon layer and layer. So it's
not that squeaky, bouncy, you

know, weird synth, pop junk.
It's got a rock and roll

attitude about it, yeah. But
it's, you know, it's like, I

know what a great distorted
guitar sound. I'm a huge ACDC

fan. That's two guitars, bass
and drums done this are those

textures and colors that elicit
those same sort of feelings and

depth and power, but it's done
just, like, what is that

saying? Yeah, like, Gary Newman,
after he did cars, you know,

Baba, oh, yeah, he got really
good and did some, like, really

kind of intense.

He was a punk man, and he saw
since in a studio, and it got

filling with he's like, what is
that? And

all the Nine Inch Nails stuff, I
think is epic, you know? I mean,

some, it's a little darker
subject matter, but it's just so

well done. Yeah, I really like
that stuff and and then just in

closing, you know, I mean,
you're at a crossroads in your

life, where you might be doing
less of this. You're looking

back at this massive body of
work, you know, you're all

music.com is so if somebody is
just graduating from Musicians

Institute, or North Texas State
or Berkeley, they're coming

here,

what do they do? How do they get
into it?

From my perspective, what are
the skill sets? Well, the studio

thing is definitely different.
Yeah, I love how this town is

very open to having people just
hang out and watch the process

go down. Yeah, they're open
sessions. Yeah, they and

everybody's been very, very
friendly. And I've had young

guys, you know, that want to do
this, come to me, and I'm more

than happy to talk to them. I
had a couple of guys kind of

help me early on, and sort of
said, well, you know, you can

expect this. And like, when I
was doing a lot of writing,

wrote a few 100 songs few years
ago, and it was the same kind of

thing, lyrics, oh yeah, you got
it. You got to just get in it.

You got to jump in and head for
everybody else and be a good

person, and, you know, be
willing to take some shots and

put in the hours. That's kind of
what it takes. And you can be

super, super gifted player, but
it's, I would say, it's more

about the hang than anything
else. It's not what is it's not

what you play. It's what you
don't play. Yeah, it's the

space between the notes. Yeah, I
noticed all the things, you

know, but I mean, you did it,
and you're doing it at the

highest level, and whenever I
see you walk in the room, I'm

like, Alright, it's gonna be a
great day. Which is, which is an

awesome, awesome thing. And
sweet, if people want to do you

like to be found roach. Sounds
calm. People can contact you

through there. Yeah, roach
sounds.com, that's Jeff roach.

And then Jim, I think that you
should ask your question. This

is your question,

my question. So if you had to
choose a band to be a tribute

band and be in and it's the only
music and you can play for the

rest of your life over and over
again, what band would you

tribute? Wow, maybe it's the
Peshmerga. It's like one

decision, you got to lock it in
and you're, yeah, that's a tough

one.

It's Pro. Well, it i My favorite
artist of all time, Stevie

Wonder. Okay, so if I could, if
I could just be a fly on

Stevie's? Well, I could, since
you can't see me anyway. Gosh,

see there, what I did. Are you
talking about the I just called

to say I love you period of his

career. No, go back. Okay.
Sorry, 70s,

yeah. 76 is about my favorite
inner vision. Yeah, songs in the

Duke, yeah, come on.

I played that the other day. It
came on my playlist. Yes,

microphones. It's just the
attitude of it

just funny. You say that. I
think it's like, you know you I

need to introduce you to my
brother. And actually, as we

were talking

about Boogie On reggae, woman,
all the

faith stuff and everything, I
pulled up a video that he did,

and I felt like compelled, like
this, you need to hear this.

It's like a testimony that he
gave. I'd love to hear. And I

feel like, I'll send him the
link. Yeah, my brother, last

time he was here, he's, I was
like, you know what's, what's

kind of an artist that I would
have no idea that you like? And

he said, Stevie. One, oh, my
God, oh, he's my, he's my and

he's my brother's a boogie
woogie piano

guy. That's funny. I just love
the soul of Stevie. He just

unchanged it when I was writing
with these pop girls. One, I'll

never forget this. I know I'm
old school. They

didn't know who Stevie Wonder
was. Well, close gotcha, one was

20 and one

was 21 and I'm kind of they were
both lyricists. So I said, I'm

gonna work on the track, and
this was my pop stuff, and I

could hear them back there
humming melodies, and every so

often, and I've told this story
a million times, I'm working on

the beat or whatever, and I turn
around and I just said, Cat

Stevens. A few minutes later,
Paul Simon and I knew, after a

few of these that they had no
idea who I was talking about, so

I said, Hey, let's let's stop
for a second. I need to talk to

you guys. You want to be in the
music industry and you don't

know who these people are? Yes.
So I started playing them songs,

and it was like that 80s bad
horror movie scanners. I thought

their brain was going to
explode. So I played him a few

songs, and then we went back to
work, and I hear him whispering

again about 20 minutes later,
I'm like, what would you make us

a playlist? And I said, You know
what I'll do. I've never made a

playlist yet. I'll make one for
me, and I'll just share it with

you, and it's chock full of
Stevie and Otis Redding and Nina

Simone, nice Bill Withers and,
you know, and then stuff from

the 80s. Is it an

easy link that you can share
with us? Well, let's see. It's a

Spotify playlist, right? Yeah, I
don't even know if it's posted.

I call it

music. That made me It's
awesome, literally, yeah, is

Wichita lineman. Wow. It's
everything from Wichita lineman

to the cult she sells sanctuary,

yeah, make sure you make sure
you get my contact, and I'll put

it in the notes, all right,
yeah. Will do

Yeah. And it's so fun, like 240
songs on there now, and it keeps

growing. I love that. Some of
them are one hit wonders that I

don't even like. But you know
how music is the moment I hear

it. I know exactly where you
were. I remember the sights, the

smells, everything about it. I
love that. Yeah, me too. And at

my age, that's

important. But I also love the
one. I love the one hit wonders

of the 70s, the Rupert Holmes,
you know, if you like pina

colada, yeah, I love the one hit
wonders, man,

you remember m? Who is that?
It's letter M, dong, a dong,

dong dong, Duca. Dong, dong,
pop, pop, pop, yeah, that was

his once seventh grade
cheerleaders did a whole routine

to that in the junior high gym.

And then who was, you know, Oh,
Mickey, you're so fine. She was

great. Oh yeah. She was a, she
was a choreographer.

Tony Basil, that's right,

a male first name. It's crazy.

Maybe we can, we can get some
more kind of like games that we

could play on the show with some
of these one hit wonders and

stuff, we'll quiz our guests.
Yeah, this was very great today,

buddy. I knew it was fun. So
easy. Just wind you

up and oh, do I can bloviate for
hours. I'm a quiet, loquacious

young man.

Jeff, roach in the house. Roach
sounds.com thanks for making the

trip to Spring Hill, buddy.
Thank you guys, Jim, thanks for

your time and talent. Yes, sir.
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