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Unknown: Yeah, I wish we just
had hung a little bit more out

there. Yeah, well, it's funny.
You bring that up. Somebody on

your crew, like, well, into the
tour, commented like, Oh, I

didn't realize you guys were
driving yourself, like we were

still in a van. Oh, my, that's
why I thought we didn't care to

hang out because, like, we
weren't into it or something.

No, we just to keep up with your
tour busses. We had to leave as

soon as we got off stage. 2021

you guys were in a van, and now
there's seven CMAs, six ACM an

Entertainer of the Year, a
Grammy you played on the new

record. You probably have an
awesome drum tech. People are

throwing gear at you. They're
like, here's a jacket. Kid.

Throw this jacket on, wear it on
stage.

This is the rich Redmond show.

I was thinking, what should we
kind of pivot and talk about

today? And then I noticed that
you were wearing yet another car

hard shirt, but it's in a
different color, olive green,

which is very you like it,
right? Flattering, yeah,

it's good. I just go to the
Tractor Supply and pick them out

some

I just wonder, if you both bulk,
bulk purchase, where you have

one for every day of the week.
The

thing is, it looks good. It's
durable. Okay, check them out.

Tractor supply.com,

go to your local tractor
supplying for

for sponsors, right as well.
We're sponsorless right now. I

hear Tractor Supply

has money for that kind of
thing. We could use some of that

money. And Tractor Supply, we'd
love some of your money.

I was listening to some old
episodes where we had, you know,

Angie and Kelly McCarthy rock
were sponsoring things and and,

you know, you produce the ads,
and there's some pro level

stuff.

It's like when in Wayne's World,
when everything was sponsored?

Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know,
I just cracked open another

bottle of pure life water. Well,
you stop, for some reason, I

have two open bottles next to
me, and I opened up another one.

So pure life, for when you want
purity in life, I

like how you're breaking the
fourth wall and looking right

into the camera.

And so this is a new thing that
we're trying to start.

Obviously, we have begun the
episode of the rich Redmond

show. It's usually very
exciting. We talk about things

like music, motivation and
success. Those are the three

things that come up without
fail. But today we, you know, we

have had the grant cardones on.
We have had the Victoria Jackson

Bradley. We've had Bradley on
which I read his book. It's good

the hard way, the hard way,
lessons he's learned in life the

hard way. So you don't have to
That's right. And so I've been

enjoying that with my morning
coffee. And we've had on guys

like Huey Lewis, great stuff.
But we people want to know about

drummers, because, you know,
this is the songwriting capital

of the world, Nashville,
Tennessee. Someone's writing a

hit song right now, but without
that drummer to bake the cake,

to build the foundation, this is
just poetry swimming around the

ether, swimming around the
uterus. We make things happen.

So let's get into it. I'm really
excited for this young man today

and hailing from Laurel,
Maryland, apparently it's 20

minutes from DC, big city boy
celebrating 10 years in

Nashville. I met him really
early on. We were on tour

together in 2021 he is the
touring and recording drummer

for the award winning country
recording artist Lainey Wilson.

Look at this. Seven CMAs, six
ACMs. She's a Grammy winner,

Entertainer of the Year, and
this was all in under five

years. Our friend Matt Nolan,
What's

up, buddy? Hey man, thank you
guys for having me.

Yeah, thanks for coming. You
were you're so punctual.

Oh, I appreciate that. Yeah, I
live just a bit away from here.

You're in the Herm Exactly.
That's what me Kurt and Tilly

used to call it, because we have
rented and shared many a band

house in Hermitage and
Donaldson, yeah. And we were, it

was great, because in those days
we were flying so much, and

you're right by the airport.

It's fantastic on fly dates.
Just there. It's a very quick

Uber ride, yeah, but yeah, it's
part of town. It seems like more

and more cats are ending up in.
But are

you in a band house, or are you
all growns up now by yourself?

No, my

fiance, Fallon, and I have a
house, all right, been there for

about four years, so it's great
the transition away from band

house, living. Fiance,

congratulations, man, thank you.
What do you guys? Is it like a

loose date or

no, we're set when we're we're
inside a month now it's March 29

so

March 20 I didn't get an
invitation, but no, rich Neither

did I. No, it's a thing, man.
You know, it's like, I get it

because, you know, just call me
Ross. I'm the divorce guy. I

believe in love. I keep getting
married. But you've got to feed

these people. You've got to, you
know, and God forbid, the cash

bar. I get the cash bar, though,
because this is, like, you know,

bunch of musicians, hey, drunks,
you have to

rock the cash bar. Her

rock to Casper. Give me some
good apps. All right, nice. So

are you keeping it intimate?
Yes,

you know, trying to keep it
small, it ended up working out

to where we actually got a
Saturday, nice. And

did you clear it with with Miss
Wilson? So it was like, Hey,

we're not gonna add something.
And have

to, yeah, here's the thing, the
best of her ability, right?

You've been married while you
were with Jason. Yep, you went

through a wedding. You're about
to go through one. Do you invite

your boss? Is that? Yeah?
Absolutely.

Invite your boss. Yeah, yeah,
no.

It's like, you know, when I
moved to Vegas in Oh, one I was

there three months before my
wife and I got married, and my

boss was like, I'm not invited.
I'm like, Dude, I just moved

here three months ago. I just
met you. And he's like, I'd

still like to be invited. I'm
like, I'm sorry. I'll think

about that next time. I'm 25 I
don't know any better. Plus,

it's 2000 miles away. Awkward.
Sure you're invited. If you can

make it, we'll have you. Hey,

you know what I gotta tell you,
Jim, I'll tell you. I tell you

to invite Jason. I'll tell you
off camera. Okay, I'll tell you

off camera. But there is a
wedding happening very soon with

one of my students. And I have
mentored this kid for like, 15

years. I did not get invitation,

like things that make you go,
Hmm, what did I do?

Yeah, but did you invite Jason
to your wedding? When you the

last married,

oh, with um, Cindy. Cindy tried
to think what our marriage was

like. I remember the the

I mean, he hosted your
engagement party at his house, I

would think that you probably
invited him.

Dude, I'm blanking, man, really,
yeah, I really am. Wow,

all I've got is your your
student might have assumed

you're just busy. Yeah, because
you're so busy, let's go with

that.

That makes everyone feel better.

Oh, my God, you know what? You
know, I just, I think you're a

delightful guy. I have a little
guilt, because when you were out

on the road with us in 2021 I
think that I was still carrying

around this weird I had a rough
time in COVID, like, mentally,

okay, and emotionally, as we all
do, it was rough for me. And

some people were just like,
Dude, it's fine, man. I wrote my

best songs during that period. I
was great. It's like, Man, I

went through most of it in Los
Angeles, and it was like a

zombie apocalypse. It was so
intense and so strict, and it

just got in my mind. And so when
we were getting back on the road

in 21 we were still scrubbing up
and testing up. And, yeah, I

wish we just had hung a little
bit more out there. Yeah,

well, it's funny. You bring that
up. Somebody on your crew, like,

well, into the tour, commented
like, Oh, I didn't realize you

guys were driving yourself, like
we were still in a van. Oh, my,

that's what I thought. We didn't
care to hang out because, like,

we weren't into it or something.
No, we just to keep up with your

tour busses, we had to leave as
soon as we got off.

2021 you guys were in a van, and
now there's seven CMAs, six

ACMs, an Entertainer of the
Year, a Grammy you played on the

new record. You probably have an
awesome drum tech. People are

throwing gear at you. They're
like, here's a jacket. Kid,

throw this jacket on. Wear it on
stage.

Jacket. Yes, drums now, but not
yet. You know, well, you're a

sonar guy. Hey, I'm with sonar,
and happy to be they've been

great. They've been very
helpful, nice, but, yeah, but

we talked about that yesterday
on another episode, that sonar

is really going on the offense?
Yeah, they're getting

aggressive. They're getting
offensive.

So I've noticed, I'm not privy
to any insider information, but

I've noticed some additions.

You know, KHS is, it's May it's
maypex. KHS sonar, right? So, is

it one of your go to guys,
Henry, go is Henry?

Is my, my sonar Artist
Relations, okay, so I

know Henry, so it's the best I'm
gonna text Henry right after

this thing. Let's because Henry
and I were like, drinking

buddies at the red door for
like, a decade, okay, when he

was working at innovative
percussion.

Well, in a past life, you played
sonar, right? I did for for a

decade,

right? Yeah. And I loved all the
drums I had the I had the S

class I had the the lights, and
I had the SQ twos rescue one was

SQ one, sq two, sq two. And I
the only kit that I kept. I kept

the S Class kit, 22, inch kick,
1216, and I recorded that, are

you going to kiss me or not?
2011 Thompson square song on,

and it was so it's kind of like
a little piece of country music

history.

What's their high line? Like,
flagship Sq,

right? Is it SQ too? Yeah.

Well, this particular year, it's
this Anniversary series. But,

yeah, ordinarily the SQ two

because, you know, Mercedes has
an S class. And it's the

flagship of the brand, yes. So
there's

another interesting

connection to Mercedes there.
They made these drums in the 70s

and 80s called the phonic,
sorry, the pharaoh manganese

snares, yes. And apparently they
really had the same metal that

Mercedes made the hood, or
admits out of really? Yeah, they

source the metal in the exact
same place. I wonder if they

have a kinship. Well, other than
both being German

by chance, looking for a, you
know, one off guy to endorse for

a Huey Lewis and a news tribute
act

that sounds like exactly what

they're that's what they're
looking

for. Jim is in a Huey lose
tribute band, and they are

playing may 28 at City winery.
That's the city winery, and me

and about 10 other drummers are
gonna have a giant like last

supper type table, that's right,
and we're gonna drink wine and

eat pizzas and watch you sit
there judge me and laugh. No

judging, but that's right,
that's a tough book, man. He's

got this one song. It's 12
minutes. It's a 12 minute medley

with a bunch of pushes and
figures, and it goes into Boys

Are Back of town. There's a 16
bar drum soul. And then he's got

to go back

into, like, a New Orleans, New
Orleanian type of shuffle. Oh,

yeah.

And Jim doesn't play all the
time, you know what I mean. But

he's getting back into it, yeah,
first very,

very first day. Yeah, we're
three months out from it.

Hey, so you're not, um, you're
not a girl. So I can ask you how

old you

are, correct on both fronts. I'm
36 Okay,

yeah, because the girls don't
like that. So 36 that is a great

time. I would say it's a great
time in a man's life, I had a

great time between 36 and like
46 great, great window, great

things were happening late. It
was very enjoyable time. So

I agree, Work Life has been
good. Home Life is great, yeah,

you know, enjoying some things
that have come from all the hard

work up to this point, yeah, you
know. So, yeah, it does feel

good.

36 is going okay, soak it up. So
before you connected with Laney,

you spent some time with Maggie
rose. I love her. Them vibes,

and then the Morrison Brothers
Band. Tell us about that,

because I have some experience
with the Morrison Brothers

Band. Do I not? You do?

Yeah, the Morrison Brothers Band
was a country rock band my

brother now we're in, and that
was a band we moved to Nashville

with. And for those of you
listening, I first met rich. We

were writing songs. This is, I
don't know how much of that

you're still doing. I'm not
personally doing a ton, yeah,

but yeah at that time, yeah and
yeah. So we got introduced and

met on a songwriting
appointment. That's right. So,

yeah, that was,

that was really so it's fun. We
got to go back and maybe find

the song we wrote that

day. I'm sure, if I look hard
enough, in these old drop boxes,

I could probably pull it

out. Yeah, I'm wondering if
there's a iPhone recorder demo

I do. And I remember you brought
your, your hand drum, yeah, your

Jim Bay, yeah, that was the
percussion on the work tape. I

love

it because you can make it sound
like a kick and a snare and it

and then once you get that, that
iPhone recorder out, it

compresses it delightfully,
yeah, you know. But yeah, no,

it's, I would say it's hard to
keep both of those worlds alive,

you know. So I had my publishing
deal for five years, and my

buddies, Curt and Tully, you
know, Curt and Tully, they kind

of kept going with it, yeah, and
I asked to not up my deal again.

But you're at a point where you
don't, man, you don't need a

deal. You can just write great
songs and you have great

relationships.

Yeah, I would say where it's
where it's ended up is I

wouldn't want a publisher to
feel like they didn't have my

focus. And now, yeah, while
there was a time in my life

where I was aggressively
pursuing a publishing deal,

yeah, it doesn't seem offhand
like a publisher would feel like

they were getting the most of me
well, because you only have

three days a week to play with.
Yeah, we still write, you know,

situationally, it makes sense.
And we, we've written with Laney

here and there, you know. Well,

that is really smart, because
either that or you're writing in

the room next to her and she
hears something she likes you

like, hey, yeah, come check this
out.

Yeah, I wish that would have
more often. But she doesn't seem

to be pressed for good ideas.
They're, yeah, they're flowing

right now, yeah, you gotta, you
gotta muscle in to get her

attention when it comes to
songwriting.

So all these great experiences
you guys have done all the you

know, the Grand Ole Opry gotta
do that you got tonight. Show,

Kimmel today. Show, Good Morning
America. Dallas Cowboys,

Thanksgiving Day, I think we did
some sort of thing like that.

Fun. I was really upset that
they didn't have turkey for us.

They had chicken, fried chicken.
No,

no, we had turkey. Yes, because
you guys are, you

know, great. ACM, CMAs, people,
choice words. Any good memories

here? Favorite, green rooms.
Favorite. At situations.

Oh, I don't know the green
rooms. I'm sure you know it.

They all look the same. Every
loading dock looks the same. I

know, you know,

we don't really see Jim was
like, you haven't seen Mount

Rushmore? I was like, I have,
no, I haven't seen the Grand

Canyon.

I haven't personally been to the
Grand Canyon. I have personally

been to Mount Rushmore once.
Yeah, but yeah, there's

certainly some performances that
stand out. Yeah. But yet, the

minutia, the daily stuff, it's
crazy, how it does kind of run

together. Now, what

do you do to keep your sanity?
Are you like a are you workout

guy? Are you a reading guy? Or
you go find a local coffee shop?

Guy, definitely

find the coffee shop. I try to
stay in a practice routine. It

just seems like a thing that you
can occupy amounts of time on

the road, yeah, working on the
hands, the pads and constructive

way to to waste time,

yes, so you don't get into
death, scrolling and all that

kind of stuff. It

happens. Yes, I'm aware that,
you know, there are better ways

to keep your mind. I

mean, I'll do it. I'm like, oh
my god, yeah, here's an hour.

What am I doing? Yeah, yeah,
sucks,

yeah. I should get into some
kind of workout routine though.

You know, well,

you're just naturally lean,

yeah, I thought you were about
to say strong. You're

naturally lean. And thank God I
didn't wear that jacket today,

because they have the same
jacket. Was that, right? Yeah,

just throw it on. It works. Man,
this

is always faithful. Yeah? I was
thinking the same thing.

Does Carhartt make a

jean jacket type thing? Of
course, definitely they make

it's a canvas, yeah, it's
durable. Now,

what's the deal with that
company? Is it like a Dickies,

kind of like work wear. Is that
how they started? Durability.

You

want to go out, you know, work
on the ranch, yeah, do some

electrical work, get up on
ladders and crawl through

addicts. This is the clothing to
wear. Car hard at Tractor

barrel. Tractor barrel.

Tractor barrel. Let's get

hybrid advertisers. Let's start
a store called tractor barrel.

Well,

we had, we had Eric Pritchard on
the show, you know, Megan

drummer, and he was talking
about getting barreled, you

know, by this getting barreled
thing. He loves Cracker Barrel.

Okay? He goes around and he eats
at all the Cracker Barrels in

the country. And he takes a
signed eight by 11, and he has

him framed, and he puts them on
the walls at all the Cracker

Barrels,

okay? And they're in black and
white. That's

awesome. Do people not stop you?
They're like, Oh, sir, what are

you doing? He goes, No, I just
make sure that there's like, a

little empty space on the wall
kind of away from folks. And I

just, he has one of those, those
stick them things, the two sided

tape or whatever. It isn't nice.
So smart,

the closest I think I've done in
past bands. You know, remember

when Starbucks used to sell CDs?
Yeah? You know, sometimes you

happen to leave five or six in
there.

That's really smart, but, and
it's but, it's got the but they

couldn't run it through the
register. No, obviously not. It

was just for grassroots
marketing, you know? Yeah,

whatever happened? Happened? Ah,
that's smart. So are you

Starbucks guy? Because there's a
Starbucks right there. It

happens to

be the closest coffee shop to my
house, you know, meow. Oh, yeah.

Did they get because I'm always
Mitch Rich

has noted that the cup says meow
and there's a cat face drawn on

it. I have no idea what that's
about.

I don't know. Maybe there was a
girl that was thought you were

meow.

Hard to say.

So you're always, did they do
that on purpose? By chance

get your name wrong? Yeah. Well,
I have a friend, Stockton, hell

big, and he is an instructor, a
drum set instructor, at the

University of North Texas, and
he used to tour with Maynard

Ferguson. Oh, no. So there's an
on campus Starbucks, and what he

does every day, it's his viral
post that he puts on, and he

just takes a picture of the
different names he gets. He goes

to the same place every day, and
they have never gotten his name

right. Stockton, really
interesting. No, it's like, you

know, stick man or stock you
know, it's, it's always wrong

every day. So,

wow, yeah, crazy. It's, I don't
know what. I don't get Starbucks

enough for them to screw up my
name. So you're always Mitch

nine times out of 10. I met you.
How do you get Mitch from rich?

I understand the obvious, yeah,
but ruh and muh,

unless I'm a mumbler, I don't
know.

I think it's part of like the
game within the game is they're

going to put something other
than your actual name on. It's

like thing no matter what. Yeah,

it's like putting a picture up
at Cracker Barrel. Now, I guess

you know, it's going to become
like an internet sensation of

some sort virality,

yeah. Now I was looking here
that you went to Loyola in New

Orleans, and I was thinking to
myself, well, maybe that's the

connection with Lainey, because
she's from Louisiana, too.

She is. She's from northern
Louisiana,

and the way that state's shaped,
it's not all that close to New

Orleans. Yeah, yeah, I think she
did like that detail that we've

spent time there and appreciated

it. Yeah, did the whole band get
hired as an ensemble? No,

I. No, definitely not. We kind
of came one by one, huh? Who?

Who's the first to be hired so
Aslan, the guitar player and the

band leader. He's been playing
with her since before she was

signed. They were playing bars
together. Nice. I didn't come

aboard until 2020. She had
recently gotten a record deal.

My brother was the year before
me, Tommy, our bass player, was

the year after me. He also did
some subbing. So yeah, it was

kind of one by one. And then we
have the fantastic sav Madigan,

who plays, really, any stringed
instrument, anything with a

strings are bought off. I love
those guys. Yeah, she's been

with us for over a year now,
that's awesome. So yeah, we're

up to five piece backing band,
and

you guys don't have a dress
code. You're allowed to be as

hip and crazy as you want. All

we've ever been told is, you
know, look fitting, yeah? So the

sky's the limit. She doesn't
usually dress down on stage, no,

as you know, it's an event,
yeah? So it can be a high bar,

yeah? But yeah, no, they've it's
not like a dress code or

anything.

Yeah, you're not required to
wear bell bottoms. No,

I would say encouraged, but not,
not required, very difficult to

play drums. Yeah? It would
totally get stuck. Yeah, it's

happened. It really inopportune
times before. Oh, I hate that.

Yeah. So

she is speaking of all the
engagements going on. She just

got engaged

two days ago, apparently. Huh?
She did. It was last week. Yeah.

So are you expecting to get
invited to

hers? I'm not sure you know
it's, it's, it's, whatever it is

we we invited her to ours. Said,
Hey, I understand there's 1000

reasons why this might not work
for you, and that's fine. Yeah,

did

you use maybe some Catholic
guilt in there? But you know,

we'd love to see you there, but
we get it. Yeah, do what you

need to do. He's

doing impersonation of his

my mother, his mother. Yeah, my
mother used to do that, gotta

rest your soul, gotta rest your
soul. And I could actually say

that. It makes sense now, but
there's a my mother was the kind

of person that would be like,
Oh, where you going? We I grew

up in the Northeast with a
cigarette in her mouth. Where

you going? I'm gonna go out. You
know, I could be telling her,

this is the best thing that's
ever gonna happen to me. I

imagine this event is going to
be played in the scenes you see

before you die. You know how you
see your life flash before your

eyes? I anticipate this event to
be one of those things. This is

going to be so monumental. And
I've been so looking forward to

it. Oh, good, because when you
get back, we got something to

talk about, sort of God, we had
to ruin it, yeah? So you could,

you know, it's, it's effective,
right? For people who don't know

that they're being, you know,
Rick rolled, Catholic style,

Catholic girls, little Frank

Zappa. So what did your parents
do? I'm sure they were

supportive. Yeah, very

supportive. Neither were
musicians. Both music fans,

yeah? Dad had a big record
collection. Mom always had the

oldies station on. And at the
time I was growing up, that

primarily meant we were
listening to music from the, you

know, late 50s and 60s, yeah? So
Motown, Memphis, Muscle Shoals,

you know, little Mary wall, wall
of sound. Beatles, all of that.

Yeah, British invasion. That
was, that was always on when we

were riding around with mom. So
it was really their listening

and their enthusiasm for what
they listened to that this music

thing must have emerged from my
brother and I Yeah, so what

you're so with your brother? I
mean, you probably had some

family bands pretty early on, we

did. We struggled to find some
guys that live nearby to play

with. But once I got maybe,
like, late high school, and we

were starting to drive each
other around, we found some guys

and started, yeah, playing at
coffee houses and, you know,

church events, whatever we could
find, yeah, you know, we would

go well out of our way to play
music in front of people, yes,

and continue to do so for many
years.

Yeah, I love that, and I love
hearing about that, because not

to sound like the Get off my
lawn guy, but I usually say one

thing per episode that sounds
like, Get off my lawn. But, you

know, the crazy kids now they're
like, learning just how to DJ.

And it's like, I like the idea
of, like, just being passionate

about a musical instrument and
doing and working on this craft,

and then finding the people to
get into a room to do the thing,

and then you're like, Yeah, play
the school prom. Heck, yeah, you

know.

But no, that's, that's the
attitude, right? Whether we were

under rehearsed, whether we had
one too few people on stage,

whether we were too novice to be
really executing the music in

the set, like when you're that
age, it's just get me in front

of people with the drum set I'm
there.

Yeah, there's something about
when you add that audience into

the room, it just, it just. It
gives it purpose, and it

focuses, and it's like, I'm
sending this out to you, baby.

Would you do that? You'd
actually identify somebody?

Would you play to somebody I
like to

like? Do you pick people out?
Yeah,

every once in a while, yeah,
yeah, you definitely do. I've

seen you do it, yeah,

you pick people out. And that
way, you know, everybody in that

area kind of feels special,
right? Because they're

like, Wow, he's really focusing.
Who tell you my ticos Torres

story? Um,

is this when he was playing with
a screwdriver in his hand

instead of drumsticks or what? I
don't know, what? What story?

What? No, there was one time
where he didn't have drumsticks.

Did you have a drum? I think he
was auditioning for the band or

something, and he picked up,
like, two wrenches or something.

I had a guy. We had saw, we saw
Bon Jovi at Mandalay Bay, yeah.

And because of my connections in
radio on this particular tour,

Bon Jovi had like, side stage
access, where they would platoon

people up and they got to hang
out for about 20 minutes on

either side of the stage and
watch the band up close. And

John would come by and high five
people and stuff, and Courtney

and I got to go up there, and
she was in front of me, and she

wanted to she was a huge fan of
Jon Bon Jovi. And if you

mentioned this, she'll point to
her arm and shake. This is where

He sweated, right? But the whole
time, like I was just watching

Tiko play, and he and I just
locked eyes. And it's like, one

of those things where you kind
of look at somebody like, hey,

and you kind of need to look
away. And you're like, he just

kept looking at you. He was
like, just lasers, just burning

holes through the back of my

head. Something must have been
going on in his brain. He was

kind of just kind of looking in
that direction. He was probably

thinking about what he was
playing, I wouldn't take it

personally. Oh,

I didn't take it personally. It
was just kind of off putting,

yeah, which, you know, something
I need to do is get off putting.

Oh, Jim, give us. Give yourself
a good I mean, these are dad

jokes to the extreme. I think
you have a you have a doctorate

in and bad jokes waiting for it.
Do you know our buddy Tony Mora?

He's like, a great session
drummer here in town. He's been

here 30 years anyways, right up
the road in Franklin, he's got,

he was the first cat in
Nashville to take his garage and

turn it into a world class
recording studio. Okay? And

like, he was in mixed magazine,
and all these producers in

Nashville were, like, they had
it out for him, and they were

sending them, like, mean
messages, Hey, man, you're

ruining things for people that
he just was a visionary. He saw

that. That's where it was going.
Yeah? Jon Bon Jovi recorded

vocals in his studio

last week. That's a good reason
to reach back out to the haters

and be like, what were you
saying? Yeah?

Because, you know, as these as
commercial studios are

demolished, yeah, it's not a big
deal to have somebody, a

celebrity, go to someone's
basement, right, to record

something. Yeah, it's very
common,

because it's like, now they're
getting so more access

accessible, yeah, you know what
I mean, yeah. I mean, but then

again, I'm biased, because I've
been around celebrity for a

majority of my professional
life. Yeah, you got to get used

to them here. You know, you
actually put your pants on one

leg at a time, but

when you do make gold records,
yeah? Hey, do you have a place

for you to kind of make some
noise at the house, or they do

little recording? Yeah? I have a
converted garage. That's

what you did, yeah? So is it
completely soundproofed?

No, no. The exterior walls have
been modified so that hopefully

it's not so obvious what's going
on,

so the doors don't go up, or if
they do, it's just another wall

in front of it. I

wish, yeah, it wasn't a massive
space to begin with. So there

are very obvious things that
most studios do that we were

just going to lose too much
square footage on but yeah,

reducing the amount of volume
that leaked out into the

neighborhood seemed like a
useful and a polite idea.

There's got to be a level of
forgiveness from neighbors if

it's during the day. Yeah,

yeah, they're all pretty cool.
We're close with our neighbors,

and the house closest to that
room, there's folks that rent

that. So really, we kind of
lucked out. If they had a

problem with it, I'm not sure
they could really affect much.

That's good, but no more lucky.
You know that everybody's just

cool. Everybody's looking out
for each other.

More than anything, it's more of
like

it's sending a smoke signal out
into the universe. Come rob me.

You know what I mean,

exactly, exactly. So it was
important to us to be a little

bit more discreet about it. And
I can hear two other musicians

on our street. I mean, so you're
never far,

Alex, I heard the first Garage
Band the other day across the

street in my neighborhood. Yeah,
it was a guitar it must have

been a kid with his drums and a
guitar player just having a

ball. Now, that just warms my
heart.

It really does, because that's
what that's where we came from.

That's where I came from. Yeah,
man, no, in a garage totally.

And you know, those guys play
if, as long as they can decently

play it's not annoying, yeah,
you know, yeah. So I'd imagine

that even if it's loud, but
hearing somebody play their

instrument tastefully, you don't
really mind it, yeah, I wouldn't

think so. You know, yeah,

yeah. And as long as it's not
gratuitous, you know, I'm not,

I'm not banging away at midnight
or strange hours, or six in the

morning, you

know, you know, 10 to 6am is
kind of when I want to practice

my blast beats. That's a

fantastic time to practice. My
favorite time to practice, yeah,

the way home life is right now,
that's not the routine I've

ended up in. Oh,

you know, Sepultura hour at 4am

how many dates are you guys
doing these days?

This coming year? I think we're
shooting for 75 ish the last two

years. No, sorry, the last four
years, it's been considerably

more. Yeah, the year we were out
with you guys, we were somewhere

up near 150

and it was like 180

then 150 again, in last year was

but the 100 something was in a
van. You guys went to the bus in

2022 right, yeah,

that sounds right, yeah, I
believe so. So

that's when she really kind of
hit. Was around that time. Yeah,

we

had our first, I say we she had
her first big hit while we were

on the road with you guys. Yeah?
Because I remember the moment we

found out it went number one. We
had a cake. And I remember there

was guys from yours band and
grew and they're celebrating

just eating, eating all the
cake. Yeah, I remember I offered

someone I was walking around.
They were like, invite all the

guys. And I was like, Hey, do
you want you want cake? And

somebody thought I was making a
reference to something else.

They thought it was code for
something. I was like, No, we

literally have cake. Would you
like some? I was like, Man,

you've been hanging out with
with yours band too long. Most

people mean, do you want a piece
of cake?

Yeah, cake has a different
meaning, though, I guess,

anyway. But yeah, it was, it was
a steady climb from there, you

know, I was around the first
times we noticed people starting

to sing along. And then when we
started noticing people singing

along to songs that hadn't been
radio singles, nice, you know.

And you just start observing
this evidence that things are

kind of coming together. Yes,
you know, and we're all

it's more fun when they're
singing along.

It does. But I mean, and you
know, that's as well as anybody,

um, when the songs are doing
good and the albums are doing

good, and hopefully the record
label and management are feeling

like things are going okay. It
takes the pressure a little bit

off of what you and I do. Yeah,
you know, it's, it's not unheard

of for various people or things
to get kind of, I don't know,

assessed as part of the problem.
Yes. So yeah, it's great when

things are just going, going

smashing. Well, yeah, our sing
along song. Back in my days with

Connecticut, white bread Jim was
the every episode, the esteemed

crowd favorite, what's up your
butt? That was the Sing along.

Oh, I'll tell

you what's up. My butt just went
to go get to my physical today,

and I told the guy, no,

I'm not even sure how much that
was made up. No,

that's not made up at all. Okay.

We were going half and half. He
played kind of like an early rap

rock band in Connecticut, okay,
yeah. They were like, I guess

you could, you could probably
say an early version of what

Limp Bizkit became, yeah, okay,
yeah. People still love that

stuff they do. I could never,
ever see at the time, like, I

can't, how are we ever going to
play arenas with this kind of a

band? Yeah? You know, the songs
that we had were absolutely

disgusting, but

you would have had to tour
relentlessly, and you would had

to get the support of a label,
because all that machinery has

to come together to

never would have had we were way
ahead of our time. Yeah, it

never would have happened in 94

Well, it's good for you to think
to yourself, hey, we were, we

were first on scene. That's
right, we were too early.

And it's still people still
like, you know, some of the fans

still like, going back and it's
on YouTube. You can listen to

all the songs. Yeah.

I mean, when we say that, when
we when we cut hick town, it was

drop de tuning, and I'm riding
on crashes and slamming rim

shots. I'm like, I don't know.
Man, this sounds dangerous. I

don't know if people are gonna
like this. And now it's, seems

polite,

you know, Well, Jim, I was gonna
say that genre got a little bit

of a shot in the leg. You know,
in the last couple years, it

might be time for you guys to,
you know, consider a reunion.

Reunion, yeah, it's

actually been discussed. And my
wife is like, you dude, the kids

can't see you up there. You
know, you were 18 at the time

when that, when you did all
that. Wow.

Jimbo, 18 year old. Jimbo, Body
for Life. Jim,

we had a bunch of songs. Fat Bo
cornhole, ukopia, gosh, can I

even say the one that's about
now, why not? Your chin is my

ball. Rest. That was a I was
that was our ballad. That's a

great place for him. Yeah. Oh,
it's really nice.

I really don't see Laney cutting
these, but

Well, actually, that ties into
this next thing I'm seeing. Did

you play on the wiggles new
album? I

did not. Okay, no, wait

a minute, what? There is another
Matt Nolan. He's a symbol

designer.

There's, yeah, there's a
handful. There's the symbol

designer Matt Nolan, who makes
some unbelievable sounding stuff

interesting to not talk to him
or played any of it in person.

Yeah. And then there's a another
cat in town. Matt knows a

keyboard player and a
songwriter, yes, yeah. And

we've, we've had to get to know
each other over the years,

because we've ended up with each
other's checks before. Oh,

really, no, yeah. And there was
a time where we were both

playing for people on on Broken
Bow, yeah. And so, you know, you

gotta mystery

is hit music, right?

The reason why I asked about the
wiggles here is Laney is

featured on their next album.
Oh, wow.

Wiggles surprised me. No, I
didn't have anything to do with

them. Laney

is doing an incredible amount of
collaborations. I mean, she's

singing with everybody. He's
like, Jelly Roll, and it's a

hardy or, you know, I mean, just
all the cats. And then do you

guys do some of that stuff live,
where you put some of these

voices on track?

We've never put voices on a
track. We do usually play at

least a few of those in the set.
And she just sings the whole

song. This past year, yeah, she
just did a medley of all the

duets, and it was during her
solo acoustic moment, wow. So

yeah, she just, you know, that's
smart, rearranged the things to

make sense, just

her. That's good time for you
guys to go pee. If you want to

go pee, great, great time to use
bathroom.

I love that. And then every once
while, I've been lucky these,

these people would, you know,
happen to be in the same place

at the same time and come up and
do it with us. And that's which

is nice, because in a short
amount of time, your resume has

exploded, because now you have
performed with Jelly Roll. You

have performed with all the
cats, man, you know,

technically,

yes, it feels like it's, you
know, kind of a by default, but

yeah, technically, yes, it's
great.

Hey, man, you know, I this the
what we had a whole episode

where we kind of were me and
Travis McNabb were just totally

riffing on, like, when can you
claim someone and put them on

your resume and say, like, look
at is there? Is there another

Matt Nolan that has played with
Jelly Roll? And the answer is

no, and, and you were on that
stage, and you deserve to be on

that stage, and you provided the
serious backbeat for that guy to

do his thing. That's going on
your resume,

dude? Yeah, it depends on what
the situation is. It has before

it doesn't always, yeah, I like
that.

Now tell me, when did you did
you get formal training, like,

you know, reading, music,
rudiments, all that kind of

stuff. What they were in the
school band? Yeah,

I had a brief foray with the
school band, like, you know,

third grade or so. Played
trumpet for a couple years,

great. And, like, Grant, like
Greg Bissonnette plays the

trumpet,

does? Yeah, yeah, that, that
didn't take, you know, and I got

out of the organized band stuff
for a while. Got back into it in

high school, this time,
percussion, yes, but yeah, I was

playing drum set on the side
before that, yeah, and that,

that always held my attention.
But by high school, it was like,

Cool. If you want to play in the
jazz band, you got to play in

the other band, yeah. And that
means you need to be able to

read. So started working on
that.

Does that help you with your you
ever scribble out some little

charts to help you get through
something last minute? Yeah,

absolutely.

I wasn't much good at it, and by
the time I got done school, I

was a decent reader. Yeah, yeah.
It still comes in very handy.

Page

38 of the syncopation book, that
one, you know, well, I'm just

assuming that, you know, Johnny
vodakavich at Loyola would be,

you know, pushing you and your
reading and all that kind of

stuff.

Yeah. So the way it worked, when
I was there,

you usually studied with Johnny,
like, your junior and senior

year, and it was a guy named
Wayne Moreau. You took lessons

with freshman sophomore year,
and he was more of the technical

instructor, and he would make
sure your your reading was up to

a certain level, yeah. And if
you held the sticks poorly, like

I did, you'd get an earful about
that once a week. Yeah. By the

time you were with Johnny, it
was like very stylistic approach

related stuff. We did a lot of
listening. We did as much

listening as we did play to

the history of New Orleanian
music. Yeah, and you know, it's,

there's a lot of specific things
about the New Orleans style, but

somehow, it's not super
technical. You need some

technique to play that, that
material, but, you know, then

you throw it away, not like a
very, I don't know, classroom

oriented kind of thing. You
learn by watching guys and

hearing guys do it. So the most
I ever got from Johnny was

sitting right next to him while
he's playing, yeah, you know.

And

then would you take advantage of
that, that environment, and go

down and. To watch her and Riley
and, of course, Stanton and

yeah,

saw her in three or four times.
Whenever he was playing with his

group or with somebody at snug
Harbor that was like the

intimate jazz club in town, he
would usually start the show

with a tambourine, and he would
his band would be on stage

playing. He'd walk in from the
back playing tambourines. And

there was times where he would
take a solo on the pipes, you

know, on the wall, behind the
scenes, smart, slick,

like that. Slick, did you become
friendly with Stan

I met Stanton a handful of
times. We're not buddies, but

I've seen him play, oh man, I
don't know, probably 2030, times

with now that I think about it's
been way more than that. And

I've probably seen galactic 20
times, yeah, yeah,

all the time. He like, is part
owner of tippity is, I think

I know I heard they, they made
sure that that place stayed

open, and that people learned
the history that club. And,

yeah, yeah. They've been really
great to music in that city. I

love New Orleans.

Incredible place to visit. I
don't know if I would live

there, but yeah, it's

awfully hot and humid for a lot
of the year. Yeah and yeah.

Weather wise, you're you pretty
much, you can count on some

hurricane, yeah, shuffling. Do
you

ever have the fried alligator?
Yeah? Oh, yeah. It's just like,

tastes like chicken, yeah,
little tough can be Yeah,

I had that for the first time in
Baton Rouge. Yeah. Now is a

baton rouge or Rouge.

I've always heard Baton Rouge
rouge, because I've heard it

like

Bruges with a hard G bat in
Rogue rogue. But with Baton

Rouge, I did a lot of filming
down there for a dealership, and

it was always kind of nice,
because in the afternoons,

probably during the day, you'd
always have like, a pop up

thunderstorm, yeah? And then it
would clear out, you'd get that

kind of post thunderstorm sunset
during the spring, typically.

And I'm like, you know, I said
it's, it's kind of gloomy at

times. I said, but your sunsets
are spectacular, yeah? And

they're like, oh, it's not
because of, you know, the

environment. It's because of all
the refineries, just like, you

know, putting stuff out into the
the atmosphere. It makes the

sunlight list look really cool.

That is funny, buddy. Oh my god,
yeah, I will say this. I miss

those cotton candy sunsets in
Los Angeles. Man, my God, every

night

we get some spectacular sunsets
here, though, you could get some

cotton

candy stuff here, yeah, but it's
like, you can count on it every

night, craning Brontosaurus,
palm trees, and then the most

beautiful cotton candy sky. And
you're like, I don't want to be

anywhere else right now. Yeah,

yeah. We're on a hot streak
right now with LA, it's rained

the last three times I've been
there.

They may need it. Well, yeah,

but by all accounts, it's not
common. Now.

Where were you guys playing out
there? Did you I bet you guys

did a small little show with all
the suits at The Troubadour. Do

you ever play there.

I played the Troubadour with
Maggie rose one time. Yeah, but

this last Laney show was at the
Greek first time there was

pretty cool. Man,

gorgeous. That had to be
awesome. Man, it's great. Yeah,

I saw a blondie there. That's
amazing. Yeah, it's like, it's

like, 10,000 people or
something. It might be less.

It's comp some. It's a smaller
Hollywood Bowl,

exactly, yeah, yeah. So the bowl
is has become the bucket list

out there this year, our la
shows at the forum. Ah, which is

really cool. The history there.
It's, I might as well be called

the house that Fleetwood Mac
built.

Yes, you know, we were all set
there to play there the weekend

before, huh? Now the weekend
after the Vegas stuff. So we

never did it, but maybe we'll do
it at some point.

You know Jason, I'm sure he can,
kind of, if he wants, whenever

he wants to, know, they'll make
they'll make time, they'll

cancel the game, but they don't
even play there anymore. What am

I saying? What's that the Lakers
don't play there. Oh, now

where do the Lakers play? Buddy?

Get on the Google later.
Crypto.com, arena, right? Yes.

Is it Staples Center? Unless,

yeah, yeah, formerly state.
Crypto.com,

arena,

not catchy.

Crypto.com, I use them. That's
not into crypto at all. You guys

get into

that? Not a ton, no, just a
little bit about it, yeah, you

know. But I've never tried to
buy or sell an NFT.

I've never done that. I've
bought and sold crypto. Yeah,

no, yeah. I've got, I got into
it back when in 2018 I think,

yeah. And it was like just
jumping through hoops just to

get you had to go through like,
three or four different levels

just to make a purchase, right?
Yeah, we're still early, guys,

right? Well, I can't afford it.
Bitcoins on sale, I know,

but I don't know if I mean How
much for one whole Bitcoin right

now, 80 grand.

80 Some, yeah, 80

some. Something right now, but
you can buy a Satoshi. I'm

looking it up. So a Satoshi is
the are like the nickels, dimes,

quarters of $1 the subdivision.
So they're called Satoshi

subdivisions, subdivisions, and
there's 100 million Satoshis in

each Bitcoin. So you can buy a
bunch of Satoshi stack those

sets, as they say, yeah, yeah.
So you could buy a portion of a

Bitcoin and eventually aspire to
be a whole coiner at some point,

because there's only 21 million
of them, right? So,

ah, let me pay my taxes first
and then see what happens. Hey,

hold out. You might not have to.
I know. Maybe there won't be an

IRS. That'd be great, but I do
want my Social Security.

Okay, I do. I mean, don't you?
No

Man, No, I want it. I

hope you get it too, because
we're all you know,

because you, I think you either
have to pick your Social

Security, or if you have an
income that exceeds it, you

can't have both. You got to pick
one or the other, from what I

understand. So I'd rather exceed
my monthly income. Well, I think

we all went, but, yeah, yeah.
But as, like, it's not going to

amount to much by the time you
get it, but it's like, hey, as,

like, a Hail Mary, I would love
to have it as an option. Yeah,

you know. So tell us about this
new record. Bro, you are on the

new record because I was
listening to all the new tracks.

I'm like, everything is so tight
and dry, and it's just a whole

different approach. I wonder who
played on this. And I was like,

going through my idea of like,
because I know how every session

drummer in Nashville kind of
approach this thing and and

sounds. And

it's you, man, congrats. Thank
you very much, man, and

be cool to yourself on the
radio, right?

Yeah, that was a trip. It was a
trip, I have to first say and

give a shout out to Fred eltrin.
We love friends, and a lot of

what you're hearing may or
probably is Fred playing yeah

and yeah, because of the two
drummers thing, my

responsibilities song to song
kind of changed around. And so

on one tune, it could have been
a very Augs perk kind of role

for me. Maybe I was playing a
kit where we ran it through

effects and so it was a dry kit,
wet effects kit, yeah, thing.

And then there's five or five or
so songs on the album where it's

two of us playing drum set wide
open same time. There are five

specific songs on the album
where our kits were right next

to each other, not baffled, so
basically bleeding into each

other's mics, sharing rooms, all
that kind of thing. So yeah, it

was great. That is

so fun. And and the snare drum
choices. I mean, some of them,

like, and then some of them were
like, like, it was, they're

cranked up. It had like, this
nice overtone, and then sounds

like one of them was maybe,
like, like, you know, your

little jungle snare that you
have, like, super tight with

like, a jingly type thing on it.
Yep, I

can think of exactly the one
you're talking about. Yeah, the

precedent they've kind of said
is more organic kind of drum

sounds, yes. So older, bigger
kits with some muffling Tubby

kind of, you know, kicking toms,
yeah, and then yeah, like a fat,

but, like, maybe slightly
dampened snare thing, yeah. So

yeah. Jay

Joyce. Jay Joyce, so

that, so you do it at his place,
yep. And, and you enjoyed the

process. It was like it wasn't
one of these looking at your

clock, wow. Kind of a process.

Absolutely not. I mean, first
off, the the material that she

kept bringing in, because we
didn't, we didn't have these

tunes to live with for very far
in advance, they, they sent us

some stuff. Yeah, you know, a
couple days before that's

good, yeah? Because then you
don't overthink it exactly,

you know, you don't want to come
in with a too much of a road

map, because then it becomes
this unlearning challenge when

somebody wants to change this
thing, yeah? So yeah, it's

helpful to be slightly familiar
with the tune, but not so much

to where you've already made
decisions that are going to get

overruled, yeah,

but, yeah, man, no. Jay's
brilliant.

Laney's amazing in the studio.
She's one of those people who

really, really enjoys being
there.

And she just, you know, she's
like,

creatively, totally in the zone.
You know, she's just

so nice and outgoing and
enthusiastic and sincere. She

sings great. And she's, you
know, got the whole image thing.

She just doubled down on that
thing with the bell bottoms and

all that. It's like, as she's
tender age of 32 right? I mean,

it's pretty incredible.

Yeah, it's really good. But so,
yeah, to answer your question,

man, it's it was definitely not
boring time there. Yeah, and you

know, the pressure's on. Not
everybody has their their road

guys in there. So we, we
definitely understood what we

had to do to to be invited to
come back to the Father. Going

day, yeah, and it happened,
yeah, well, next day. But you

get this because you've been
doing this for quite a long time

with the band you to work with.
Yeah, it's

very nice to do to wear both the
hats, because then there becomes

a a pride and an ownership that
it goes deeper. Because yes,

you're not just regurgitating
Exactly.

It would be difficult to find
somebody who cared more about

Jason's record yes than you do
Yeah, and you're gonna play in

such a way that stems from that,
you know, but at the

same time and, you know, and
this musical economy and the

idea of having a steady job in
the music business, you know, if

your only job is to regurgitate
at a high level,

still pretty good. Oh, man,
pretty good job. Yeah, no issues

there, yeah, you know, yeah,
man, it's, well, that's cool,

and your parents

got to be super proud, because
they can go crank up the radio.

That's my son, I guess so. It's
my son on the drums. That's my

son's my two sons. Yeah,

my mom tells me when she sees
anyone CMT, or when she hears us

on the radio, things like that.
Yeah,

I will, my mom will call me.
She's like, I heard your

tambourine on the latest trace
Atkins song you were telling me

about. It's very loud in the
mix, nice. It's like, you know,

it's like, I'm playing a
tambourine on beat four. And my

mom is proud of me. So

now I got to bring up, you know,
the obvious. Recently, we had

the Grammys, yes, yes, yeah.
And, you know, Beyonce was in

the category that Laney was in,
yeah, a lot of people. There

were mixed reviews and
reactions. Let's say on, you

know, what had happened in terms
of a little bit of controversy?

I guess you could say, Sure,
what was her take on that? I

know we talked about it before
the show, but, you know, can you

speak to that at all? Yeah. So

I saw her about a week before we
didn't perform, so that those of

us in the backing band, we
didn't go well, yeah? And she

told me she's like, you know,
seems like Beyonce is gonna win.

And I was like, Yeah, you know,
I mean, this is unbelievable

category. This year. It was
Beyonce, Post Malone, Casey

Musgraves, Chris Stapleton and
Laney. It's insane, yeah. So if

I'm not mistaken, well, let me
just say things I'm I can feel,

uh sure about, yeah, all those
people deserve Grammys, and most

of them have already won them,
Laney included. So the company

in that category was like, kind
of crazy, yeah. And so yeah, she

was like, I wouldn't get your
hopes up. I'm pretty sure

Beyonce is going to win this.
And she felt really good about

that. Yeah, you know, she's so
supportive of this movement

that's been drawing new
listeners to country music,

yeah? And diversity and women in
country music, yeah, you know,

she's a really, really strong
supporter of, you know, shaking

things up, yeah? And it it
reaching people that it didn't

used to, yeah, you know. So

this is the music of the people.
Modern country music is the new

rock and roll.

Well, and like, we half absorbed
rock, you know, and pop got the

other half

Yes, you know, yeah, because, I
mean, modern rock is kind of in

the shitter. I mean, we are.
It's a rough period for modern

rock. I listen to the station,
you know, the buzz or whatever,

and I'm trying to keep up with
the stuff, and I can't tell the

bands apart. And it's just, it's
just rough. I mean, there's,

where's the Stone Temple Pilots
and the, you know, the sound

gardens, and it's, it's just a
it's, it's in a slump, and we

have taken all the fans, which
is a good thing. It

just evolved, yeah, you know, I
mean, again, getting back to the

Beyonce thing, I could see what
you're saying. And I love the

fact that she was like, you
know, from afar, she was happy

for but it's so funny to watch
the reactions when they called

out her name. Even she looked
shocked, like, really, I'm

getting one for, for what I did
in country and not my main

genre, okay, yeah, because that
was her first time, she

ends up with both of them,
right, right?

Yeah, big win. She's got

to, Yep, yeah, man, crazy. A lot
of statues. I wonder where these

people put these statues, you
know? I mean,

on a shelf, yeah, a shelf like
you see behind us, that's right

there. That's

right, yeah. I think it usually
happens in the order of trophy

and then shelf, right? You know?
I think you end up putting a

shelf. The best place for that
trophy to go. I don't think you

put it on a shelf that was
already there. It's like where

Michael Scott would put his
Dundies, right?

I used to have a whole shelf
full of my awards. I have no

idea where my awards are now, at
this point, I think they're in a

box in my closet.

Yeah, you know, I've been trying
to downsize and do the Feng Shui

and just be a little bit more
minimalist, minimalist,

minimalist. Remember when we
interviewed Peter Stormare, the

actor and musician he played in
a. And in Constantine, you know,

with key now, Reeves, he played
Satan, and he was the guy. He

came down. He was like, covered
in mud and and it was all in

white. He was all in white,
which was not the obvious

choice, no, but he's the perfect
pick for that. He was the

perfect pick. But he goes, he
goes, I have no art on my walls.

I have very minimal furniture,
eye heels. I don't even have a

junk drawer, so if he doesn't,
but that's so hard to do. What

happens when you're looking for
a stapler, when you're looking

for a scissors, when you're
looking for, you know, some

pens, you gotta have some of
this stuff.

Yeah, I don't think I could go
without a junk drawer. A catch

all. It's a catch all. I would
be pretty, pretty impressed

with, with Fallon and I if we
could do without that. Yeah,

man, I don't know where we go.

Speaking of actors at the time
of this recording, how about

Gene Hackman? I saw

that on the way here. They said
it was a carbon

monoxide, like he may have been
from a carbon monoxide. Was it

really because his wife and his
dog went, they passed as well,

well? Because that would have to
be, that makes sense. It does

make sense. You know, I have the
carbon monoxide, but he was 95

years old. They had a great run,
man, he probably would have kept

killing. I

know you're taken out by car
with CO two.

You got to have the, the the
alarms in your house,

we have them. Yeah, yeah, you
that's terrible. They got them.

Yeah, yeah. I just

put the alarms in the house, the
smoke alarms, where you don't

have to change the batteries for
10 years. They don't need

anything. They're not going to
chirp for a decade. But when

that 10 years comes, the years,
it's going to be like that

episode with Phoebe, where she's
trying to stop the chirping fire

alarm and she can't figure out
how to do it. Are they nickel

batteries or lithium? I don't
know. I just had the handyman do

it. They're energized. Chris
Swanson, if anybody's looking

for an amazing do anything handy
man. Chris Swanson, now if

you're looking for a garage
door, or if you're looking for

LED lighting, then you have to
call Jim McCarthy.

That's right. That's right. But
are they? Are they ever ready

batteries or Duracell? I don't

know, the finest that money can
buy. This is the portion

of the show where I try to make
it as boring as possible.

Oh, my God, you it

is tanking

so well, I should say too, like,
if I'm the guest on here, like,

that's not a great sign of life
for this. Well, it was great

while it lasted. No, the the
good interviews you guys had,

we're all very grateful for.
We're supposed

it was so good. We have to, we
have to kind of balance it out

now, and that's my job.

Okay, you know?

Well, um, what was like? Oh, I
was, I have still not gotten

around to watching any of it's
all overwhelming. Yellowstone.

And then the 1533 or 1890

1883 1923

so she was acting on that show,
and used to play drums too,

right? Yeah, on several
episodes. Now, did you get your

were you able to get your sad
card as an

actor? I was, well, they, they
offered, we're in like this. In

between, you could,

you could have been Taft heart
lead. That's the process where

the producers will say, hey,
this kid, let's get him a SAG

card, and they just push you
through the push the paperwork

through.

Okay, I'm not exactly sure,
yeah, but yeah. But

if you, if there were willing to
do that, and are still willing

to do it, you should get that
card. Yeah? Because then when

you're in there, I was just a
good thing to to maintain,

because you will be paid in a
certain way as a SAG member. Are

you remember the union AFM

also a kind of in progress
thing, but soon to be hard? Yes,

you might as

well just do that, because the
thing about Tennessee, which

minimizes the power of the Union
just a little bit, is the fact

that we're in a right to work
state. Yeah. So I me, I think me

and Tully are the only union
members in our band, but then we

say we have to go do the Today
show. It's a union thing. You

get paid through the Union. But
it doesn't mean that Tully and I

are the only ones that get
everybody gets checked. Yeah,

because Tennessee is a right to
work state, but then Tully and I

have to pay work dues. No one
else does

okay. I thought they still had
to pay their, their non member

dues. But you guys that are
members, are the only ones. We

have to pay our memberships, and
we have to pay our, yeah, our

work dues, so we end up coming
out, but then if we die, we will

have a small funeral benefit
fund, yeah,

which I've been told is rock
solid again for

a while, and then we have a
pension, which is,

that's what I was talking about.
Yeah, the pension is that's hard

to get that dollar amount up.
Let me tell you some of the old

school guys like Eddie bears,
Lonnie Wilson, Chad Cromwell,

Greg Morrow, Paul, I'm these
guys. They're gonna have an

insane because they were in the
heyday of the velvet rope music

business, right? Guys like you
and I were like, kicking and

clawing and scratching and, you
know, the the phone rings

session. I. I'll be there. It's
harder to add up, because it's

not twice a day every day,
right? But those guys had twice

a day every day. God bless them.
Yeah,

no, it's unbelievable, yeah. And
it's a shame that there's not as

much of the recording, and
therefore the, you know, the

union, yeah, work that's around.
But

now, do you do people send you
tracks? Yeah? Yeah. It's not

primarily how like it. For
example, this last break we've

been on, I've been mostly in the
studio, yeah, whichever studio

that happens to be, but yeah,
people do send me stuff, and

it's good. We're all set to

now, don't under charge. Make
sure you charge a good rate,

because you're worth it, right?
Right? Because there's guys out

there that are under charging.
And it's, yeah, it's a race to

the bottom. Man,

yeah. Pretty soon it's, I'll
give you 20 bucks so I can put

my name once.

No, I'm telling you you are
Lainey Wilson's drummer. You

deserve to your whatever rate it
is. You deserve it. Thank you,

man, look at that. Say right,
Jim, that's right. We're gonna

get these pay days.

Okay, so, Hey, Jim, why don't we
do the Is it time for the Fast

Five?

Yeah, but they're no longer
fast. They are never fast,

right? We can do we can switch
things up on the fly and make it

the funny five. Well,

it's always funny.

It is it is funny. I have a
bunch of funny questions in

front of me. Okay, then, then,
why don't you try shaking it up?

Let me shake it up. Shake it up,

buddy. All right, we got the
funny five is cereal soup. Why

or why not? Ooh,

I don't know. I tend to think,
no, I'm struggling for to come

up with a reason to specifically
back that up. I know there are

cold soups, I guess, yeah, it's
not so much of a vegetable thing

cereal, and that's why it's kind

of it's a dessert, you know?
It's a breakfast. I don't think

you can have

a soup, as if you leave it out
long enough it becomes soupy. It

does disgusting. Well, because
all everything dissolves in it

gross. How many? How many holes
does a straw have?

Oh, crazy, right?

Yeah, that one really depends.
Makes your brain, doesn't it?

That's like

those riddles that people you
know post memes of that go

viral, and you're like, I don't
know. I need a little more. What

do

you mean? There's two holes. Is
there the two holes? Or

is there one long hole? Is a hot
dog, a sandwich?

No, no, no.

Those are two different things
you could be in the mood for

anytime.

What's the weirdest smell you've
ever smelled?

He's on a tour bus all the time.
There's a lot of smell.

The loading dock can be a little
crazy. Yeah,

a wharf. We we blew up a fuse
one time. We tried to replace a

fuse and put an incorrect one in
a PA head at my parents house,

and we were rehearsed in the
garage. Oh, and some, some of

those electrical smells can be
kind of wild. Oh, yeah,

I don't know how many, how many
questions did I ask? Three,

three. What's the funniest joke?
You know, by heart? Oh, God.

I don't know if I know any funny
jokes by heart. I'm

not to traditional setup,
deliver, memorize this guy.

Yeah, I just try to be
situationally funny.

Yeah, I you know, I guess I try
to get satire, sarcasm, that

kind of thing. But I'm a
terrible joke teller. Tommy from

our band has he could go rapid
fire right now, Tommy, he's got

a town he'd crush it. Oh yeah, I
got nothing.

Let's see

toilet paper over or under, over
has to be over. Yeah,

yeah. And my fiance is the
opposite. So you can, you can

tell who changed it. We switch
it back and forth. Yeah, it's

uh, over. You pull it down
exactly.

But sometimes, what other way
would you do that? Yeah,

sometimes you have to do the
mullet with it on

the back. I thought you were
talking about the wiping pattern

over. Jeez. That would be,

how do you

wipe? I hope the listeners
understand that I understood the

question, because

it's amazing. Yeah, Jim's Jim
treated himself to a bidet. Ah,

I don't know how I got this far
in life without knowing about

that technology, that it's
wonderful,

but he's using cold water. I
would use hot water.

I don't think you want to use
hot water in that. Yeah, warm,

warm, cold's fine, though, okay.
It saves so much toilet paper.

Wow, I

can't believe we're going here.
Favorite color are you just

reverting back? We're

gonna try really fast. You. Was
gonna unpack

the rest of that in the future.

Let's say yellow. I got a yellow
drum set on the road right now.

Yeah,

yellow. Yeah, nice. Okay, fast
taxi. Yellow. Drink. My favorite

drink. Favorite drink, Topo
Chico. Oh, nice coffee drink,

meat. So many cups. Favorite
food or dish,

really anything with noodles,
I'm there. Oh, yeah, like,

Italian food, Japanese food. And
then,

what's the, what's the stuff
where they break the quail egg,

and then, and then there's the
noodles. And it's a, it's a hot

soup,

man, I'm not specifically ramen,
ramen. Oh, okay, I've never had

ramen with a quail egg. I love
ramen,

yeah. Well, you know, the egg
breaks and the yolk kind of gets

put the egg in it, yeah, oh
yeah. Favorite song of the

moment, or all time. One

that comes to mind is give me
some loving by Spencer Davis

Group.

Oh yeah, I love that stuff. Oh

yeah, all the sounds on that
recording work together in like,

the best way. Steve Winwood
singing, he's like, 18 on that

track, he might not even be 18.
Wow. He wrote it, sang it, and

played organ. He's killing

and I believe he might have a
place here. Steve Winwood,

is that right? Yeah. I think I
maybe have heard about

either that or his merch company
is here.

What either lives here or his T
shirts or

warehouse, bound to be true,
okay, a favorite movie

of all time, or of the moment

of all time. We're tied between
All the President's Men and

Moneyball, I will never, I will
never turn either those movies

off from scrolling through
channels in a hotel. One of

those is on all his

presence men. Wasn't that Dustin
Hoffman, yeah. Dustin

Hoffman and Robert

Redford and Moneyball came up
recently. Didn't

it? As somebody else mentioned
Moneyball? Yeah. Recently, yeah,

yeah.

Great movie. I'm big baseball
fan. And what happens in that

movie, the facts that it's based
on, yeah, and it's crazy how

that is. Billy Bean basically
taken over. The way baseball

managing happens now,

yeah, yeah. So are you the guy
that memorizes all the stats and

all that stuff. No,

not so much. I try to keep
current with our record and

who's who's in first and all

that, and then Pro or college
Pro. Okay, because

I love watching college
baseball, but college sports in

general, there's so many teams
to keep track of. It can be kind

of

like Aldean is like college all
the way it's like college

football, college baseball.
Well, he also likes the Braves

and, well,

he's a big Georgia fan. Yeah,
right,

see from Maryland. Maryland
basketball was huge. We followed

that really close, and we still
do. Yeah,

no. Now, who's your who's the
baseball team that you like? Pro

Washington

Nationals, and they weren't
there when I was a kid, we just

had the Orioles, and we had the
Orioles while Cal Ripken played

for him, so that was great. But
then, other than that, we always

rooted for DC teams, kind of
over Baltimore teams, not that

there was a animosity, but once
the NATs came back, and I

believe, oh four, yeah,

you know who I've got back into
it I have a call with tomorrow.

Is Brett Saberhagen, hmm,

that name sounds familiar. It's
a Moneyball thing, right?

No, he was a World Series
pitcher, a World Series winning

pitcher from 1985

but Tully is in charge of his

He's on the board 501, okay,
save his wings. You see me

wearing the hat every now and
then. Yeah, yeah. Are you

interviewing him. They might be
doing a podcast. Ah, look at

that. I got to meet them back in
October. Wonderful people. Yeah,

I

met him at

at someone's wedding, yeah,
yeah. He,

he's like, you go to meet that
guy. And the first time we saw

him, he's got, like, really
piercing, steely blue eyes. And

then you see him like in his
element, which is this point is

in that, you know, the wine
country of California. So he's

all into, you know, ranches and
horses and stuff like that. He

dons a cowboy hat, man. He looks
like the real freaking deal.

It's crazy. Wow. I

can't picture me on a horse
roping and ride and us like, I'm

from Connecticut, you're from,
you know, yeah, that part of the

countries.

I've been instructed to wear a
hat plenty of times, but I have

never ridden a horse in my life.
You

mean, as far as, like, in a
video, put on the cowboy hat,

yeah, yeah, for whatever
occasion, yeah. But you guys,

also, a

lot of you guys, wear that,
those that those hipster hats,

those Silver Lake hats,

guilty as George, I

pulled up that picture of you.
It's a side profile, and you got

the hat on. No, right? Yeah,
like a Zorro had almost

I can't pull it off. I can't you
guys crush it. I cannot do that.

Thank

you. I feel kind of like a fraud
if I'm wearing a proper cowboy

hat. Yes, you know, because,
yeah, that's like, it would

purely be a fashion thing. Yeah,
you know, I didn't grow up with

rodeo. I did not grow up on a
farm. I have respect for those

that did. Yeah, it was

the Indiana Jones had the
fedora. Yeah, bring that back.

You could probably pull that
off. There's

definitely guys doing it. Yeah?
His was, like, leather, right,

something like

that. It was iconic. Yeah, it
was, but it was, I've been doing

the Scally, wearing the Scally
lately? Dead news boys. Oh,

okay, yeah, I'll either it's my
third job of get your papers.

Yeah, selling newspapers. Read
all about it. Yeah. I tried

that very briefly, because
little George from little feet

used to wear them sometimes. And
I was like, Oh, maybe I can get

away with that. Yeah, because
you can. I don't think I ever

found one that looked right on
me. You know, other people, it

looks really slick.

I got the extra large, yeah, my
black one is an extra large, and

it fits my head. It's a little
tight. But then I had to get the

XL for the two XL for the next
one, because it was way too

small for the XL. Okay, because
I have a two foot melon,

Jim, you're funny buddy. So
giant head, little feet, does

that makes me think of Richie
Hayward. Richie Hayward, fan,

huge fan, who's one of my
heroes? Who are your other drum

heroes?

Richie Jim Keltner, nice.

There's so many you know all the
jazz greats, specifically, you

know, Tony Williams and Elvin
Jones occupy a lot of my

listening time. All the great
you know, rock and roll

drummers, Ringo and Charlie and
Keith and Bonham that is

so nice to hear, because we get
no one dropping Tony or elvins

names in here.

Oh man, I'm still trying to
figure out

what to do with the big, well,
the big yellow kit that with the

black dot heads that Tony
Williams played exactly such

power. Yeah, it was amazing.
Man. He was rocking. Had that

fusion stuff, the that he did
with exactly,

well, the fusion thing that
accounted for a lot of our, our

listening for a long time, we
were, like, specifically into

that. And then the straight
ahead, the interest in that jazz

came a little bit later, yeah,

the Tony Williams lifetime that,
yeah, oh my god. And then Elvin

is, like, again, he is like a
bashing passionate. It's, he's

not soft,

no, definitely not. And it's,
it's really emotional, yeah,

it's like, it's like, a trip
thing when he plays. Man,

it's crazy, like you are in the
motherland, like, when he plays,

it's insane. He's in touch

with something. Man, it's, it's
unbelievable. But yeah, and

then, you know, gab procarro,
yeah, all of James Brown's

drummers, Purdy, yeah, I spent
some time in Muscle Shoals.

That's where my fiance's from.
So, you know, Roger Hawkins,

man, yeah, Al Jackson from
Memphis, like, I try to be aware

of all of it, you know, yeah,

I can hear all that stuff. And
you let the microphones do the

work. You got a nice touch.
Drums always sound great, you

know, you incorporate
percussion, emulate the loops,

and you're one of the only guys
I've seen in this genre that has

a China slash swish set
correctly.

Well, there's some other
influences there, Mel Lewis. Mel

Lewis and, I believe, John Riley
and Peter Erskine both did the

swish there because they watched
Mel do it. You know, because

you get no he Mel. So Mel would
get so Jim. Mel Lewis was like a

great big band drummer, and he
would play at the Village

Vanguard every Monday night. And
his whole thing is he was a very

quiet, he was a quiet big band
drummer, very, very mellow. But

he could drive all these guys.
And then when it would go to,

like a solely section, which is
like, say, you get all the

saxophones and they're playing,
they're playing this whole

section in unison, he'd go to
the swish, yeah,

yep, it's got this smoky, smoky
sound. You got the rivets in it

too, yeah? 20 rivets in it. So

it's not like he's bashing it on
the upbeats, like Carmine or

Billy goblin. He's because
you're just kind of letting

it well. And I love the the more
rock sounding China's, yeah, you

know, that doesn't seem to be
the most fitting sound for for

laney's music, no. But the
swish, surprisingly, like, if I

have room for it, there's not a
gig I play that that is out of

place on. You can't use it too
much. But, like, it's a really

dynamic symbol, whereas the
other China's I've had, you kind

of got to pick your spot, and
then that's what that moment is

about, you know? Yeah,

my China is the it's just fast
white lightning, and it's, it's,

it's obnoxious, but, but it
works in our crazy band,

yeah, I wouldn't say it's
obnoxious. It does a different

thing, you know. And I got
opportunities way up there

utilize that. You know,

it's the outfield thing. And I
remember getting my first Wuhan

China. The year was probably
like 1985 I'm practicing in a

garage with my band, and I'm
just waiting, you know, Josie on

a vacation far away, Shasha.

Oh, my God, exactly. Man. Love
some of the i. Like those 80s

stones records where I think
Charlie was using that UFI. P,

yes, China symbol. Man, that
thing sounds great.

Yeah. Have you seen the stones
with Jordan live? Ever

I have we opened for him this
year?

This is I would have opened with
this. Nah. Man, I would have

been like, Hey, rich. Have you
heard that we open for the

stones? So where and when was
this? I

was in, I think June Soldier
Field, Chicago. Laney

Wilson, that so cool. Did you go
backstage and talk to the guys?

Didn't

get to talk to the guys, damn
it.

But we did. We did watch them.
The deal was they had a, they

had a closed off sound check,
right? There wasn't supposed to

be people out watching that,
yeah, so mysteriously, like we

all had, you know, things we had
to accomplish on that main

concourse that looks out over
the stage, they sound check for

their entire allotted time. This
was the second show of a two

show run at that venue, and so
there was little reason we could

see for them to be sound
checking that day for two hours.

All this to say, like I get the
sense they really like doing

this. They just like playing.
They like playing. And they go

through so much material live.
You know, maybe they had to bone

up on some stuff they hadn't
touched in a while. But, man, it

was just magic watching them
sound check, wow. And yeah,

Reggie Washington and Steve
Jordan, man, we're just trucking

the whole time. It was crazy.
What

did they used to say that the so
it's Mick and Keith Richards

were left of the stones, right?
Yep. Yeah. Players gone as well.

Yeah, Bill

Wyman is not usually touring
with them, but I think there's

some shows here there that he
pops up and does okay. And Chuck

Lovell was playing. He's been
touring with them for like, a

really long time, but

the original bass player
departed from the is, that is,

it was, uh, it was Darryl Jones
for, like, was it 20 years? So

that's what I meant to say,
Daryl. Would I say? Freddie

Washington, yeah. Sorry, it's
Earl Jones, yeah. So,

well, hey, you know, Mick and
Keith are left, and then Paul

and Ringo are left. I mean,
yeah, come on. I see

what you're saying. A super
band, yeah,

man, Beatles in the stones,
dude, right, yeah. Chuck

Lovell was that keyboard player
that I played that TV show with,

you know, with Paul Rogers and
Leanne rhymes, oh, slash. And he

was, he was the band leader that
day. He's the band leader for

the Rolling Stones for like, 30
years, yeah, if not longer, hmm,

crazy. I did not know that

small world. He sounded great
man. And they just, you know,

like I said, it seemed
incredibly sincere. What they

were up there playing, and they
had Laney sit in for a tune. Oh,

my God. It happens to be like
one of my all time favorite,

which one there's dead flowers
off sticky fingers. Wow. You

know,

I was thinking that

she would do that. Um, think

of the tune right now, but it's
always where a guest female

artist joins them on that song.
Oh, interesting.

See, yeah, I'm not sure which
tune

are you talking about. Gimme,
shelter. Yes. Okay. I mean that

would make sense. That would
mean

it totally makes sense. Okay,
like

they even let Fergie up on stage
to do that with them at one

point, you know, thought

they were doing like AC, DC. Oh,

God, what a great band. Yeah.
Damn, incredible, incredible,

just like Jim Brewer bit, not a
16th note in sight. All just

praying to eighth notes. Just
That's

right, yeah.

Awesome. You ever see the bit
that Jim Brewer does like he

talks about parenting. He goes,
he says, The only thing that

when you have kids is the music.
You got to stop listening to

your music, and you got to
listen to this awful music, and

it's like, sky is blue, yet.

He's like, bring buzz, buzz,
buzz,

okay, I get it. And then Barney,

he's like, and these guys in
these metal bands would be great

if they just did kids music,
man. He's like, they would be

fantastic. You know, Angus Young
and Brian Johnson from AC DC,

and like, you know, he starts
doing it. You gotta watch it.

It's probably better. He is
good. Yeah, you had to be there.

You had to be there. Totally,

hey, so 75 shows this year.
Yeah, man, it's already

happening. Or is about two.

We leave for Europe in two days.

I love this one. We're catching
everybody right before they do

the thing,

yeah. So then it kind of, we
kind of kick off.

And so in Europe, are you
playing like football stadiums?

What

are you guys doing? It's

pretty mixed. We're hitting a
bunch of different countries on

this little run. We're there for
about three weeks. And I think

the. The shows in the UK. I
don't think that was the correct

thing. Some of the shows are
part of a festival, yes. And so

I think rotating through the C
to C thing, yes, yes. So we'll

be rotating through those with a
whole lineup. Those would be

some bigger venues, yeah, but I
have no idea what size this

place we're doing in Paris is,
or we're starting in Zurich. I

don't know a lot of Paris to
play country music. It's

awesome. Yeah? We kind of

show up in and observe how big
she is there, you know? Yeah. So

it might be like 1000 cap one
night and a real big one the

next night. It's a lot of fun.
I'd love to

go to Paris. Man, that'd be
amazing. I don't know if I'm

gonna do it on my dime, you
know, but I mean, if I get there

on somebody else's dime, it'd be
great. And you're definitely

gonna be able to get your
noodles

Right, right? Yeah, noodles of
all types, sure. Man's right,

dude,

I am just happy that I'm happy
for you, and I'm proud of you.

Man, well, thanks

very much. And I want to be sure
to say this, you know, before

you guys kick me out of here,
first off, thanks again for you

guys having me, but rich
especially, you know, thanks for

what you do for everybody. Oh
man, thanks for what you've done

for me. You were somehow one of
the first real cats in town that

I met, and I think you've
basically found me. Everybody I

talked to who's coming up,
they'll say, oh, you know, I

just talked to rich for the
first time. Like, yeah, of

course you did. You know, you're
a great connector of people. And

then, yeah, we all, we all owe
you for that. And to your your

crew with Al Dean, the time we
spent with you guys. For those

who have never really had a
reason to interact with the

Aldean crew, they're the best,
most professional group of

experienced pros you could ever
meet. And so we learned quite a

lot spending that time with you
guys. Well, thank you. And we

still say in conversation. We're
like, well, Aldine and them,

they did it this way. Maybe we
should look into that. Wow, it

had a lasting effect on
everybody. Well,

I just got chills, because I
really, I really feel like I

like I said, at that time, I was
still kind of suffering

mentally, and I didn't feel like
I showed up enough for you so

well, like, I said, Man, we were
in the van most of that tour.

Anyway, I wasn't physically
there for you to show up and

talk to. You know, well, man,
I'm

just super happy for you, and
I'm gonna try to get you this

full sonar deal here. Oh,
thanks.

I'm cool on that one, man,
there's some other stuff, you

know, you could help. Well,

let's talk about those heads. I
would love a head deal. So do

you? Are you a Remo?

I've always played remote heads.
Yes.

Chris Hart, we need to make this
happen. Rich.

I can, I could use a DW deal,
yes, yeah, man.

Well, let's see what this little
tribute band does for you.

That's the CSI sting. Oh, I love
that. Oh, very poorly timed.

Oh, man. Well, that is so sweet,
man. Thank you so much, buddy.

Of course, I'm just like, I just
love people coming in here, and

I just get to publicly say
congratulations, and then, and

then, I'm proud of them, because
this is not an easy thing to do.

Appreciate it. There's a lot of
luck involved. But like I said,

I got some some really good
advice, and I got to watch some

people who have some real pro
level experience. So

Just promise me that now that
you have the platform, that you

are going to keep helping the
next generation.

I'm trying. Man, if anybody
wants to talk about any of this,

I'm here, yeah. What's the

best way for people to find you?
I check Instagram pretty

regularly. Yeah? So since you
slide into your DMS,

yeah? Man, at Matt Nolan drums
and whatever anybody's got out

there fucking help, I'd be happy
to I

love it, man, thank you so much
for being here, bud. Absolutely.

Have a great, great year, man, I
can't wait. We're, I mean, we

don't start till, till,

uh, May, so that's awesome, man.
I hope we see you guys out

there. I hope we get to do it
again and do it right, without

the COVID. Yeah,

yeah. Jim,

yeah. Great kid, right? That's
right. Jason, the friend of his

life, 36 years old, getting
married. He's got a great gig.

That's right, it's awesome.
Sounds

like a lot of fun, yeah, man,
thank you. Man, yeah, it was

great to meet you. You too. Had
a fun

week. Jim, we knocked out like
four or five episodes this week.

No, we got like 500 of them in
the can. We got them in the can.

We love it. Hey to all the
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