The Rich Redmond Show

Unknown: Yeah, but he called me
up and he's like, hey, you know

Edwin's doing Letterman tonight,
and then we're at bogarts in

Cincinnati tomorrow, and we need
you there with the show learned

and everything. So I joined that
band, but they were in the

middle of like a 327 gig year

327 gigs, that's like two on
Sundays, a Monday, a Tuesday. We

would

do 21 straight nights with no
break.

This is the rich Redmond show.

You got into education, because
that's always that's really

confused me. It's like a
drooling drummer is teaching.

What great Fourth for God, you
go young. Yeah, they're 910,

years

old. But there's actually,
there's some beauty in that,

because it's before the hormones
kick in,

yes, yeah, once the hormones
kick in, it's hard to teach them

anything, because

I do have experience, like when
I moved here in 97 you know, I

did Park some cars and wait some
tables and make some copies, do

data entry, all that kind of
stuff, right, right? But, but I

was like, Oh my God. Like, you
know, with my masters, I can

make I think it was like $76 a
day as a substitute teacher. And

it really wasn't that bad. I
mean, yes, you do spend a lot of

your time, like with classroom
management, but if the teacher

is nice enough to leave some
lesson plans, and you know what

the heck you're gonna do? It's
not the worst thing. And I would

always try to do like, K through
four, yeah, because I could feel

like I was actually affecting
them somehow. Oh, sure, you

know, whereas after the the
puberty hits, yeah, it's just an

uphill battle. Yeah, they start.
They Sass you, yeah, that's

when they're in elementary
school, they're a little bit

afraid of you, and they really
want you to like them. Yes. And

by the time they get to middle
school, both of those things are

out the window. So I don't know
what the trick is

there. Yeah, like, in second
grade, they're like, are you,

Mr. Redman, are you coming out
to to the jungle gym for during

the recess? I was like, Yeah,
I'll come out with you guys. You

know what I mean? Then your next
thing, I'm climbing the monkey

bars.

It's called the structure, yeah.

Oh yeah, the structure. It's
called the structure.

I love him. Did you see,

did you see your favorite? Oh
yeah, pretty well. I mean, I

love all well.

I mean, it's like, you know,
like Sebastian Maniscalco. I saw

him last year for my birthday.
We were like, fifth row in the

round at the Bridgestone. We
were close enough, I think we

were like, two rows away from,
you know, being picked on,

because he picked on everybody
in the first two rows. Some guy

came and he had, like, you know,
like, a purple suit on some

crazy hat and a giant wallet
chain. And do you wanted to be

picked on, covered with rings
and, yeah, you know. And

Sebastian was like, Let me
guess, you're a musician. He

goes, he goes, a producer.

Oh, no, man.

Oh, excuse me, a producer. The
other funny thing I thought was,

he was like, man, Nashville is
this town is just nothing but

music. I mean, as soon as I land
on the plane, I go, and there's

a bar right there. Somebody's
singing. I go in the bathroom.

Some guy's got a fucking drum
set in the bathroom, dude. I'm

trying to pee in peace here,
man. But and then the third

funny thing, he said, he was
like, everybody's moving here.

And so all these people from New
York and California are like,

look at I'll give you $2 million
get the fuck out of your house

right now.

I'll take the 2 million, but
where would I buy Exactly,

yeah, I gotta say, Yeah, I made
a note to talk about this in one

of our texts. Limitless. Chris
Hemsworth, oh, did you guys

watch it yet? No, okay, do tell
Jim. It's like the second

season. He's doing these things.
It's a show called limitless. Is

it based on the movie Limitless?
No, no, no. It's basically all

about human endurance and brain
development and everything. And

apparently, if you want to
bridge the gap between a fading

brain as we age, they say, do
something that challenges it and

bridges the right and left
lobes, right and you know it one

of those exercises could be
learning a new instrument. So he

chooses the drums,

and he has how many weeks? He's
got two months, two months to

learn, weeks to learn how to
play a drum set, but not only to

play it. It's not like he's just
gonna do a little recital at the

School of Rock. He's gotta go
out there and play the biggest

hit for

what's the Irish kid with the
red hair?

Yeah, and he's got to play it at
a stadium in front of 80,000

Yeah? And, of course, it doesn't
hurt that he's like, a gorgeous

specimen of a human.

But the funny thing is, is that
he's carrying his drumsticks

around, yeah? Like, not just a
parent like a school kid, yeah.

He's got a stick in each hand,
and he's just carrying them

around, like they're, you know,
an accessory, yeah, well, it's

great, like, you know Kevin
Kevin Murphy.

No, let's talk about Kevin
Murphy.

Anyways, Murph place, if he was
here, I'd be kissing him. No.

Kevin Dylan, Matt Dillon's
brother, oh, yeah, yeah, Andra,

yeah, I got to know each other
pretty well because he was a big

Edwin fan. He came out to a lot
of shows because he had to learn

how to play drums enough to be
John Dinsmore. And my cousin was

always hanging with me. That's
killer. And he was always just,

I go, do it. Do it. You go,
shit. I love Vietnam, man. He'd

do the whole he would do this.

He's, I love the fact that he
was an entourage. He got his

god, yeah, because his brother
is hilarious

and playing a part that he was
born to play. Yeah. He like his

pedigree for that, but he was
typecast bro.

But what am I? What am I?
Chopped liver.

You always said that, like, you
know, they had, like, a deep

voice.

See him in a while. Is he okay?
He's, I don't know. We're not

friends, friends. I just wonder
if he retired from Hollywood

because he had a nice little
run. He had a great run, you

know, yeah.

And, I mean, I actually just
watched the Entourage movie for

the first time, like, a few
weeks ago, and it was

good with Haley, Joel Osment,

Oh, that's right, yeah. He was,
like, you

know, a perv. He was the Success
Kid,

yeah. But grown up better,

all grown up, yeah. So who

is that that we have in the
studio today. We've got the

first father and son drum duo,
Dave and Nick Harrison are here

now. Dave is a drummer and a
producer. He's also a school

teacher. His son, Nick is a
drummer, a producer and a mix

engineer. The Harrison family
originally hailing from, where's

that? Morgantown, West
Morgantown, West Virginia. Dave

went to West Virginia
University, School of Music, and

he moved to Nashville, called
Nashville home since 1990 that

was the gone country era. Like
you, I mean, you couldn't go

wrong there. Like, I mean, Alan
Jackson and everybody was like,

it was meteoric. And then you
joined the Edwin McCain band in

January 1996 over the next 10
years, you recorded six albums,

including the monster hit, I'll
be and then along the way, you

get to work with great
luminaries like Maya sharp,

Olivia Newton, John, who need
the blowfish. I want to hear

that story. And then you got
Bradford Marsalis. That's like,

well, left field,

I'll clarify that. Yeah, okay,
well, that's good.

And then, and then Nick, you
know, Nick went to MTSU. Did you

study with Lalo? I studied with
Lalo and Julie Davis. What an

amazing couple. They're amazing.
And then you were in the cadet

strum and Bugle Corps. Yeah, I
did one season of cadets. I got

to hear about that because, you
know, I was in the murder in the

marching band for eight years,
which gives you pretty good

hands. But it's a different
animal than the drum corps

lifestyle.

It was incredible. It was it's
hard to describe, yeah,

sometimes.

So it sets you up for success as
far as, like, teamwork,

preparation, oh, yeah, long
hours.

I mean, I it kind of for people
who really want to do it, they

themselves discover how to
practice by themselves. Yes,

like, it's, it is a very quiet
practice for the most part,

because it is. There's only a
few spots

on those lines, highly
competitive. Yeah, and it

doesn't pay no, it's like you're
a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader or

something, you know? Yeah,
you're sleeping on gym floors.

Oh, yeah. But now I bet, I bet
you've made friends for life

where you're keeping in touch
with these

Oh my gosh. I mean, lifelong
friends. I talked to a lot of

them, at least weekly, if not
daily. Sometimes some of them I

went to school with at MTSU, who
are still my best friends I live

down the street from now. Yes,
I've got to march with. So it's

we're all over the

place. Yeah. So the playing is
at the highest and most intense

level, and the marching is at
the highest and like, you're

crab walking and speed walking
or walking behind backwards,

because I was in the marching
band, I was just like, you know,

I always be focusing on the
music. And they're like, you

know, you got 20 steps, and by
this downbeat, you got to get

over here to the letter J.

I did a season of mystique as
well. And Shane Gwaltney, our

designer, would come in, and he
would just ask you, do you think

you can make that in seven
steps? And you would give it a

try and fail, and he would be
like, cool. That's seven steps

you can take.

You can make it happen. Yeah. So
what happens, if you like, is

that really that
improvisational? No, do stuff

like this. It's very curious,
because, I mean, how long does

it take to do a routine like
that? Because you see some of

these marching bands that do,
like animations and stuff.

We did that in the Texas Tech.
At the Texas Tech, we had a 400

piece marching band, and
sometimes we would only have one

week to put a show together. Oh,
yeah,

yeah. The world, do you

dance choreography? Pretty much
it's different. I mean, every,

every group has a different
procedure with drum corps. For

the most part, there are, there
are plans like they do, create

drill, create choreography
beforehand, because you're

dealing with 154 people at once.
Mystique is an indoor program,

so it's 40 kids, and half of
those are not even in the drum

line. So it was a little bit
easier for for people to come in

and kind of just, you know, have
a basic idea of maybe some

shapes, some forms, they look at
the floor, they look at the

kids, and kind of just pieces
together.

Is that the Music City mystique?
Yes, Music City Mystique Is that

Tom Hurst, you know, Tom,

Tom found. At infinity down in
Orlando. Yeah, Music City

Mystique is one of the oldest
indoor groups that I think they

were founded in 95 something
like that. And then where are

the cadets from? Cadets are from
Allentown, Pennsylvania. When I

was marching, they had a couple
of different cities and all over

Pennsylvania. But when I was
there, it was

Allentown. And how long had they
been the cadets, when you were

in them, when I marched,

it was their 85th anniversary.
Amazing, incredible history.

Yeah, it was, it was a beautiful
thing to, I mean, like, you

know, you see a lot of alumni
come to other drum corps and

support them, and that's
awesome. But to see, like, 100

year old alumni come in and
support us was, was pretty

100 years old. Oh yeah, they got
their canes. That's what I'm

saying. Like it was, it was, it
was

a beautiful thing to see. You
know,

testament to a culture though,
you know, is that they're

willing to come back and pay
tribute and revisit and

everything that's it meant
something in their lives. So it

was a

huge, oh yeah. And, you know,
it's, I'm sure a lot of people

can talk about their individual
experiences with their drum

corps and how powerful it was,
but it just couldn't help, like

I couldn't help but feel that
cadets just was extra special,

yeah, for their age and their I
mean that part of the world has

an intense culture in terms of
loyalty, work ethic, work ethic.

Yeah, exactly. So I don't know
it was, it was, it was amazing.

A lot of locals there that came
to support us, and

and you were a snare drummer,
yeah, you're the best of the

best. And it's hard to get on
that thing and stay on that

thing. And what is it? 1010?
People on a certain line?

Yeah, we had eight that season.
So usually eight to nine, eight

to nine.

Typical 10. If you're crazy, I
don't like that. I don't like

the odd number. I would go to
eight. That's fair. Yeah, eight

is great. 10 Songs are not an
odd number.

No. Tom Sawyer, is it

really an odd

bridge? Well, yeah, oh no.

I'm thinking of like an odd
number, like 97 beats per minute

as opposed to 96

you know what I mean? I worked
with some producers that would

not cut and cut at odd

times gonna be 96.9

Yeah, I had no idea that
happened. Yeah,

that's great. It's not I go,
Well, we're clocked in at 87 it

feels really good. Make it 88
for no other reason other than

it's even instead of

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I marched for four years at
Texas Tech University, and we

had this organization called
zeta, Iota, tau zit, and that

was the drum line. And I think
they had their huge like 100

year anniversary or something
like last Saturday. But of

course, I had a family vacation
planned in Long Island, New

York. So are they, like, are you
coming? I was like, No, I can't

come. But that I sent some
heads, like some signed heads

and stuff to like to auction, to
like to help the program and

stuff. But that, you know, I'm
glad for that experience,

because it gives you chops. It
gives you hands that are always

there, but not the kind of hands
you guys got. I mean, it's some

dense stuff

they I mean, they. Was 15 hours
a day sometimes, of just

training

on those Formica countertop,
Remo, right?

Yeah, yeah, we play on those
Kevlar heads.

I mean, all the balance, no
problems, no problems

with the thing is they, man,
they teach you, they teach you

how to protect yourself. You
know, that was, that was

something that I really took
away to, you know, bring into my

drum set world is, how do I play
and continue to play and feel

good and not, you know, you
know, tense up, not, you know. I

know a lot of guys who did the
drum corps stuff are a little

older than me, who are dealing
with, you know, tendinitis

problems, or, you know, early
on, arthritis,

yeah, little tennis elbow right
now.

Not to mention that, you know,
marching sticks are like coat

hanger dowels. I mean, they're
so thick together. You know,

baseball, yeah, it's, I just
don't get it,

Dave, did you ever play with the
Dennis DeLucia model? It was,

like a so thick, and that's what
I would use to, like, practice

and warm up. And then when you
get on the kit, you get

something a little lighter, and
you're like, I'm flying with

these things.

You know, when I was in college,
we used a, I think it was a, I

think it was a pro Mark stick,
but it didn't have a bead on it

at all. It just tapered

and then stopped. It was a
weapon.

It was a baton,

you know, I mean, I was always
the worst guy on the snare line.

I didn't have the hands that
even, even the business majors

had,

but you had the groove that made
his songs, buddy. But the other

thing I noticed about you, Nick,
is I was like, I was like, on

your Instagram, and I was like,
Oh, my God, this guy's got such

a great everything happening for
because in my experience, and I

know this is not a hard and fast
rule, but a lot of the guys that

can play super, super dense,
intense stuff, as as snare

drummers at the highest level,
you get them on the kit, and

they can't always go, boom,
whack, boom, boom, whack, and

make it feel good. And you do
well, you have the discipline

not to do all the stuff

well. I mean, it's also, it's
just a taste thing too. It's

like, I know a lot of snare
drummers, you know, from cadets

who were great jazz guys. I
loved what they were doing. I

know guys who were great gospel
dudes. And, you know, I just

kind of like, you know, because
my dad, I grew up listening to

records and albums and listening
to, you know, studio players.

What was the first album he
turned you on? Was like, hey,

hey, kid. I

feel like my earliest, earliest
memories are probably the

greatest hits, Rufus record, Oh,
wow. Throw in some Isley

Brothers, nice, I mean stuff
like that. Yeah, side, say

again, lakeside, yeah. You know,
a lot of like, Motown R B, those

are there you go. And, of
course, oh yeah, average white

band, can you know? Oh, nice.
Never not

talk about them.

I had all my stuff was in Google
Play and but my I only had two

songs in iTunes, and it was pick
up the pieces and person to

person by the average white
band, yes, and my van would just

automatically go to Apple, you
know, iTunes. And I never, ever

turned it off. Just same songs,
two songs over those two songs,

and then I put in whatever I
wanted to hear. Yeah, I never

turned it off. So I probably
listened to pick up the pieces

in person to person every day
for six

years. I'll get on, I'll get on
a kick like that where, like,

I'll find, like, when Lucinda
put out car wheels on a gravel

road 1999 I was just like, over
and over and over and so

good people go like, Have you
heard this record? I'll listen

to that when I'm done. Listening
to the first average white band

record. But so far, yeah, I'm
not done still in

so what was your did you come
from a musical

family? Yeah. But my parents
were classical musicians. My mom

was a music major. They met in
music school, yeah? My dad, who

is 93 and just stopped playing
the cello, essentially, when he

had an accident about a year, a
little over a year 93 that's

wonderful, yeah. And so he was
taking cello lessons from Jenny

Young, who was Reggie Young's
wife, and I would drive him down

every Saturday for his cello
lesson. He have an hour long

cello lesson. I would ride my
bike on the Natchez Trace and

come back and take him home, but
he studied cello. So they were

very much a very musical family,
you know, nice. And then I just

got the bug, and, you know,
started on piano, and then a

year of trombone, and

I was pretty good on the
trombone for my music education

degree.

You know the difference between
a dead skunk in the road and a

dead trombone player in the
road? No, you're gonna tell us,

though, the skunk might have
been on his way to a gig.

Jim, yes, not bad timing.

I wanted to and I had really
good pitch. So the band director

was heartbroken, because he had
20 kids, wanted to play drums,

yeah, and I had this, you know,
really good sense of pitch,

which came in handy when I was
your background vocal guy. Oh,

yeah, I did all the background
backgrounds with Edwin.

That makes you really, much
harder to get rid of. Yeah. Oh

yeah, when you got that in a
band marketable, yeah?

But now, I mean, it's funny now
when people hire me to do

something and they're like, oh
yeah, we want you to sing too.

And I'm usually like, no, yeah,
just because singing behind

Edwin was was a dream come true,
is easy to do. I have a high

voice. I can hit really high
notes, so I could do those

singing above, but I can't do
oohs and ahs because

I'm yeah,

I'm moving Yeah, and I don't
like it. So I just do what I can

and what I can. If it comes very
easily to me, I can do it very

well. If I have to work on it,
it's a disaster. You can ask

tripper. Tripper had me in the
MIPS for a while doing

background vocals and
percussion. Trip writer, yeah?

And he wrote out these parts.
And I'm like, Dude, you think

you're talking to a background
vocalist, yeah, not just saying

it hard and loud behind Edwin.
You know, that's not necessarily

what you're looking for.

Always respected it so much. You
know, we had Stan Lynch on, I

mean, so he's up there. You get
the Phil Collins's of the world,

like Stuart Copeland would jump
on, jump up on some of that

stuff. Yeah, levant Levon is,
oh, come on, that I don't

know how Carter sang and like
that employed the way he did.

That's, that's

special, yeah? But no, it's
really funny, because I never,

ever struggled with it. No
matter what I was doing on the

kid, I always found it like it
just came out easily. The fifth

limb, I was always singing,
yeah. And, you know, when I grew

up playing along with Nigel
Olsen on Elton John records, I

was always singing, playing, and
so it was just second

nature. Isn't that a dude to
aspire to? I mean, he's right

there in the great in the
pantheon for me. Of like, you

know, the first thing that I
ever got a copy of on with on

eight track was Elton John's
Greatest Hits, Volume One, so

you had honky cat, you had
Daniel, you had Saturday nights,

all right for fighting,

wow, oh yeah, no. Like, the
first thing I ever played, like,

dropped a needle on the on the
record and played along with,

with my kit, was goodbye. Elvi
wrote, yeah. I learned that

whole album. And then about 15
years ago, me and Mike Webb put

together a band with Tony obrada
and, like, some serious cats and

did, like the long players type
thing. That's killer, because we

just wanted to do is Tony still
playing with Chicago, yeah. How

do you believe different? You've
heard that. How he got that gig.

That's the crazy

story. Last minute be

available. He was in line at
will call to pick up tickets.

Tell Jim the story.

He went to see Chicago and was
and they had left tickets where

he knew people because he worked
with Satara before, or whatever.

Yeah, and this is the way I
heard this, right? I haven't, I

can't verify it's total
accuracy, but he had gone to see

them that night. Was standing in
line at will call to get his

tickets, and got a phone call
and said, We need you on stage

tonight now. Oh, wow. And so he
had to go and play the other

guy's rig, and, yeah, and still
has the gig.

So I know I'd be like, Hey, let
me pee first, okay,

and chart out the entire show.

But I think he knew the book,
because, yeah, he'd been kind of

working on the book. I think
there had been a little bit of

talk talk, you know, but yeah,
just, and I was kind of the same

way with Edwin, like they called
me and said, We need you in

Cincinnati tomorrow night with
the show. Learned, come on. Is

how you got the gig. That's how
I got the gig. Damn. Yeah, I

just showed up.

Well, just while we're on the
subject of Chicago, we just got

to do a quick head bow for Wally
and Daniel de los Reyes, his

dad, Wally senior, just passed,
and he had, how old was he? One

hell of a life. 92 years old,
and he still was playing and

passionate

for him. Yeah, you know, getting
back to the singing and playing.

Did you know I actually sang and
play a song when in high school,

my senior year, nice talent show
that's for you. Started

overthinking, thanks. No, I had
to overthink this. It was a song

that was easy to sing and play,
sad but true, by Metallica, I

don't know that, sad but true,
right? So, you know, the only,

the only time we had like 16th
notes was, you know, I'm the,

I'm the one who takes you there
whenever the, you know, yes, I

was able to do it.

Nice, Jim, I still do it. I
played a band called The Get

Down boys, and it's like, Victor
Kraus is the bass player and the

Henry brothers. And it's like,
serious musicians, yeah, but

it's live band karaoke.

And so people, there's a song
book, people can come up and

play whatever. They tell

us what song to learn. Oh, so,
like, we did a gig where we did,

like, a Lizzo song, and then
spirit of radio, and then, you

know, it's like, all over the
place. So you have to, you learn

it before that. We learn them
before the gig, before the gig,

and then then these people come
up, yeah, the singers are not

allowed to come to rehearsal.
It's already four hours.

Actually should be people out of
the audience that pay insane

money to come up play those
songs.

I think that's what it is,
because what the gigs we

normally play are PTO
fundraisers for schools, yeah,

and they started because their
kids went to these schools, PTO,

PTO, yeah, so, but they're but
they have them at like third and

Lindsley and exit in and all
this stuff. So they've actually

been together. There for 15
years. I joined him about three

and a half years ago, yeah. And
so I actually get to sing lead

Yeah, which, you know, I know
where I am in the lead singer

Pantheon, but it's fun and and
because it's karaoke, basically

I get to sing Rick James if I
want. So it doesn't make any

sense for me to do that in any
other Yeah. So we actually have

our 15th anniversary show coming
up at the basement on September

19.

It sounds like a Friday to me.
It is a Friday. Of course, I've

gone.

So I think we started six
o'clock. We're done at eight. I

was

the same saying Nick is like,
Hey, do you want to go out and

do the bus? Because you're still
you're so busy in town, doing

the mixing and all that, You're
never home on a Friday. You're

just never, like, even my Legos
with my hairdresser today, and

he was like, you know, I don't
work on Mondays, Mondays or

Tuesdays, so you got to catch me
on, like, actually, Thursday.

It's like, Dude, I will never
catch you on a Thursday. But so

he squeezes me in at 8am on
Wednesday mornings,

but uh, calling the dentist from
the RIP, and I broke a tooth,

and I'm gonna be in town for one
day. Could you please fix it?

I know just people in Nashville
understand I might look like,

you know, I'll call my doctor.
I'm like, look at, you know, I'm

an entertainer. I really need to
get please. Can you get me in?

And they're like, oh, right, you
know?

Well, when I first joined Edwin,
they were in they I kind of

joined him in the middle of a
tour. I did a sub thing for two

weeks, and then, like a third
night, everyone comes up, like,

is someone told me, you sing
like a bird. I was like, I can

sing. Yeah. So I started doing
backgrounds, and it's we got

along great. Who did you
replace? A guy named Todd Hall.

TJ Hall is his original drummer,
and TJ was also from West

Virginia and but you know,
Edwin's saxophone player was the

best man at my wedding, Craig
shields. We've been best friends

since I was in junior high, and
he was in high school, nice. And

I used to go watch him and go,
that's the coolest guy I've ever

seen. He's still the coolest guy
I've ever known. Yeah, but he

called me up and he's like, hey,
you know Edwin's doing Letterman

tonight, and then we're at
bogarts in Cincinnati tomorrow,

and we need you there with the
show learned and everything. So

I joined that band, but they
were in the middle of, like a

327 gig year

327 gigs. That's like two on
Sundays, a Monday, a Tuesday.

We would do 21 straight nights
with no break. And that's hard

on his voice. There were three
hour shows, and he's out there,

you know, just yeah, there's
titanium and leather. Three hour

shows. No breaks, no no. Well,
we got a break. Yeah? Evan would

stay out and do, like, acoustic
seal songs and stuff.

Wow. He sang, like, full bore,
because in the early days it was

very collegey. You're on the
circuit, right?

Yeah. And clubs, yeah. Exit in,
type clubs, everywhere

we went, yeah. So he played,
like, very like, non college

towns, like Boston, you know, I

wouldn't worry about it.

What vocal part did you have?
The high part?

Um, well, if it's in the studio,
it's Edwin, yeah, because that's

like, so he's screwing the screw
like this. So that's all him.

That's all him. That's all
Edwin, yeah, yeah. Because, I

mean, he just, he can, he can
hit anything he wants. Yeah? You

know, his voice is better now
than it was then, but,

but in live situations,
situations, it was always me,

you had to do the high part,

yeah? Wow, yeah, yeah. Now, did
you leave to make the high part?

But I do

it really badly. I

made babies, and then that kind
of caused me to leave, yeah,

because I didn't want to be I'd
already missed a lot of like, he

was still in the NICU. He came
early, and I had to rush home

for his birth, and then he was
still in the NICU, and I had to

get back. Nick was in the NICU,
yeah, that's why we named

him Nick man. You were on that
gym

there's there's trombone.

And then I had his younger
brothers. I have twin boys, and

I was out on the road, and, you
know, it just seemed like it was

the right time to do something
else. And I had fallen into

subbing as a lark. I didn't need
it. I just did it because it was

fun, and I started getting
really interested in it.

Well, some of some of these
names you have in there, I know

that our friend Nick Buda played
he played he played with Cindy

Thompson, he played with Rachel
Proctor, he played with Carolyn

Don Johnson. So you guys
probably threw some

gigs back and forth. Yeah, we
did. And it's so funny that when

the twins were born, they also
were very premature, and so they

came, they were supposed to be
at the end of February, and they

came on Christmas Eve. Oh, wow.
And I had a standing date at the

House of Blues in Orlando the
day after Christmas that we had

done, like, six years in a row
or something like that. And I

knew I couldn't go. I just I
couldn't go, yeah, so I called

Nick beard, and I was like, and
would you please go sub this gig

for me? So he went. He did the
week all the way through New

Year's for me. And I was so
grateful. And he came back, and

he actually scrubbed in and went
in and held the babies with me.

And, oh, these guys are like,
tight. I love Nick. Yeah, Nick,

haven't seen a while. He was an
early he was probably a guest

post covid, maybe like 21 Yeah.

Listen to that one, yeah. But it
was funny, because when I went

back to work with Edwin, you
know, I saw it, when I said,

Man, how about boy do he goes.
That guy showed up looking for

work. I was like, Yeah, you can
play.

That guy showed up. Looking for
work. That's amazing.

Well, I just did a gig with this
get down band. I accidentally, I

do a lot of bike packing your
bike.

You talking about a motorcycle,
no bicycle because you because

you're screaming to hurt
yourself if

you guys rode my bike all the
way across the state of Missouri

the first week of July this
year, 1821,

2121 two by 11,

it's right, seven and three,
travel bike, um,

so we just you got a backpack
full of, like, Nutritional Bars

and stuff.

Lots of Nutritional Bars,
little, little kitchen. Set up.

You gotta have your tent. Yeah,
you know your, uh, everything

you need. This is your zen place
that you do for your spirit.

Best. This guy, like dropped,
drove me from St Charles to this

I can't remember the name of it
now, Clinton. Clinton, Missouri,

nothing, little town. Clinton,
Misery. Oh, you have no idea it

was pouring rain the entire time
out there. He drops me off. It's

pouring rain, and he leaves. And
my car is now 245 miles away,

and here's this bicycle, and I
gotta ride the bike back to my

car. Oh, so it's not even your
bike. No, it's my bicycle. Okay

with me, but I have to pay a guy
to take me so that I can come

back to my car. And it

was west to east, east to west
to

east. Gotcha so and it just
poured rain the first two days,

and I was and I was by myself. I
was supposed to do it with a

friend of mine, but he had to
cancel last minute, so it was

just

me. How was was that about a
week,

six days, six days of

riding. It's pretty cool, man.
So,

so and it poured rain the first
two days, and it's crushed

gravel, so it's almost like
trying to ride a bike on the

beach. Oh yeah. And I was
miserable. I was so miserable, I

almost called him and said, come
pick me up. Come pick me up. I

know it's 11 hours, but please,
come get me again. I did it, but

I had accidentally booked this
bike trip over an existing gig

that I had with the Get down
boys. So I sent him to go play

the gig. And so after the gig, I
contacted Dave, the leader of

the band. And I said, How'd the
boy do? And he said he was

menacingly on point, amazing. So
it's

in your blood, man, it's in your
DNA. It was fun. Now your

younger brothers, do they play?
Yeah, Jack is a saxoy player. Oh

my god.

Both of them have a very pretty
natural ability. And just, I

think, feel of music like the
way they talk about what they

listen to already is really
awesome, amazing. But Jack's a

writer and a saxophonist, and
he's going to school for

composition at MTSU. He's taking
a bunch of classes right now

that I'm giving him some details
on. You know, hey, do this with

this professor. Don't miss this
class. Don't miss the midterm.

Can probably this class a little
bit. You know, that's been

pretty fun. Yeah, I've enjoyed

that. That's amazing. I'm like,
I have three boys, and two of

them went into music, so I'm
like, Don Corleone at the end of

God, I never wanted this for
you.

Michael, it's tough, but you're
like, crushing it, man. So yeah,

I'm trying real hard, right?
Yeah? A nice home set up, yeah?

And then when did the, you know,
I mean, obviously the playing is

in your DNA. And I heard, you
know, your Instagram, you have a

funny Instagram page name, it's
melody or harmony. What is it?

Harmony and me with little
underscores in between,

yeah, harmony, underscore and
underscore me, two E's,

yeah, was harmony a girlfriend

or something? No, that is the
last song on goodbye, yellow

brick road. Oh, my God. Okay.
It's just like, I'm so moved by

and I just made it my Instagram.
I love that one

day that's a little bit harder
for people to follow you.

I've been told that I've I've
been curious whether or not I

should change it, but I like

it. I love that. But I was gonna
say your playing is on point,

that sounds are on point. When
did you discover that you had a

knack for the mixing thing?
Because that's the thing, you

know,

and I so I changed majors. I was
doing music ed, so I was

studying percussion with uh Lalo
and Julie Davila. And as much as

I enjoyed it, because I really
did enjoy it, it just I didn't

feel like I was gaining the
skills I wanted. Yeah, so after

X amount of time of, you know,
trying to decide what I want to

do, I decided to leave school.
And that's right, I was able to

take just a little basic class
on Pro Tools at school. And so I

was asking Jay took all the time
questions, how do I do this? How

do I do this? And one day, he
just invited me. He was like,

you want to, you want to come
check out Penn tavern. I got

some guys I want to introduce
you to. And so he brought me in,

and which that kind of ended up
turning into, like an unofficial

internship. And I mean, I did
that for almost two years,

probably just going in. You
know, with the way Jay works,

it's incredible. He, he's an
incredible producer. So great,

great visions. And he, what's

the biggest act that he
produces? Remind me, okay, um,

didn't he play with, like, like,
the wild feathers or something,

or what it was with, uh
Americana acts,

steel wood. Yeah, he was with
the steel. Woods. Does he live

here in Nashville? Jay. He just
moved to Muscle Shoals.

Beautiful spot. Muscle Shoals. I
think I met

him, like 12 years ago or
something, and then we got

pulled in different directions.

And I never saw, yeah, he's
working over at noble steed now,

doing amazing records. But yeah,
I just got to see him do his

thing. He drummed on everything
he produced. He mixed everything

he was producing. And was just
really able to, like, lay his

hands on the music in a really
cool, really cool way. And that

I was just inspired by that,
yeah, I started, you know,

buying microphones, buying gear,
learning how to record. He told

me the best piece of advice was
to put a mono overhead and a

mono kick on the drum set and
try to make that sound good.

Learn to balance your limbs,
yeah, yeah, exactly, you know,

and you're on the sound
better.com. I looked you up

there. You got all your products
and services up there. Yeah, you

want this? It's gonna cost this.
You want this? I scour the

internet. Yeah, there's, there's
a, there's a lot of David

Harrison's in music. Is that,
right? Yeah, there's like,

guitar players and composers,

and I got a call one day from
Jeff Coffin. He goes this Dave

Harrison, I said, Yeah, I guess,
Hey, man, I have a friend of

mine who just got a new Mac that
he's setting up in his studio,

and I heard that you were the
guy to call. I was like, no, if

you give me an hour in the
manual, I might be able to

figure out how to plug the power
cord, yeah, but I don't know

anything. If you're like, Hey,
Jeff, Let's jam it turned out

there was another engineer in
town named David Harris. Wow.

So, yeah, that's

crazy. Well, I found you on
Instagram. Oh, well, that makes

me and I just followed you, and
I found you Dave as well.

Yeah, no. Need to follow me. I
just post stupid stuff all the

time. Product,

I love the fact that you posted
50 years ago. I was in a theater

to see

jaws. I went and saw Josh.

It was unbelievable, dude. I saw
it last night. It's the

greatest.

Wait a minute. What you like? I
was free last night, damn it.

Jaws, in the

future, you went to lunch today,
didn't you didn't invite me.

So, yeah, I went to lunch today.
Yeah,

Kelly, Kelly burrito and myself
at 10am I

got a breakfast burrito when
they was knocking on the door at

958 Why aren't you guys open?
Comes in. He goes, dude, there's

10am give him a break. Man.
Chill. Yeah, they haven't even

put

out the hot sauces. Call your
friend Jim and see if he wants

to

join you. Oh, no, okay, Jim.

Jim's a little butt hurts a

little bit. Okay. No, I would
have thought. I didn't think you

were in town last

night. That's okay, man. I
watched, you know, all these

movies that you see on the
streaming services that are like

1999 and then two weeks later,
it's 1199 it comes down to 499

and then eventually it works its
way onto Amazon and prime for

free. And so it was the latest

Final Destination bloodlines.

So I gotta say, I did actually
bring my teammate, and he saw

the movie for the first time. No
kid, 27 years old, and he's a

cinemaphile. He's like, a video,
cinema junkie, and

then he's never seen Josh, the
greatest movie ever made for the

first time, right? How much

fun was that? Was awesome for
some for someone like me, yeah,

I've been watching it since I'm
probably five. Yeah, I've seen

it 100 times. I've probably

seen it on the on this, yeah,
big screen. Since I was 13,

did any of the jump scares get
you? Yes, me too.

Like I knew for a fact already
that Hooper was a spoiler alert,

yeah, Ben Gardner's boat movie,
Ben Gardner's boat that was a

great jump scare, but I knew
that Hooper was gonna survive,

yeah, and but when the shark was
coming into the cage. That was

terrible. You think he's gonna
get killed again.

It's also a little bit tainted
by the fact that I used to be, I

don't read as much anymore, but
I used to be this horrible

bookworm. When I was young. I
read Josh before the read

so much different. And Hooper
got killed by the shark. Cooper

was a freaking

douche, Yeah, cuz he was banging
Brody's way. Yeah, Brody shot

Hooper in the neck while the
shark was eating him.

How about one of the greatest
scenes is, the way it's shot is,

is the dudo, who is the police
captain. He's afraid of water,

which is our thing. Yeah, he's
good. Thing is going down, and

he's right about to get in. The
shark is coming down. I'm done.

I'm done.

It's quite possibly the most
perfectly made movie, yeah,

ever, yeah.

And the great thing about it is
it's perfectly made because the

shark didn't work,

and it exactly why, because that
Spielberg had to rely on

Hitchcock esque Yes, scare
tactic he couldn't release

reveal the beast.

Studio was worried and everybody
was sweating bullets, terrible.

Yeah, right, yeah, funny. Have
you seen that the offer on HBO?

Yeah, the making of The
Godfather not yet list. Yeah,

that like, like, the studio was,
like, panicking because this was

going to be a disaster. And now
we're talking about the two

greatest movies. Ever Made.

Do you have a Have you seen
these films? Yeah, okay. Now, do

you have a like for your
generation? Is there a film that

resonates with you that's like,
Oh, I gotta watch it. Like, for

me, it's like, alien. I can
watch it over and over and over,

and if I see it, I just clear my
schedule. I'm like, Oh, well,

fuck. There goes to Yeah.

I mean, I grew up on a lot of
stuff that. I mean, I'm sure

y'all grew up with, like, Star
Wars was the OGs. It was as

original one, okay. I mean,
Return of the Jedi, like, at

least my second favorite

movie, okay, yes, except for the

Ewoks, yeah. You know, they

had to make it cute. I like him
a little bit.

Suck it. He was rude. Shrek is
probably that movie for me,

though. Shrek is Shrek is one.

It is good. That's when they
made like because you were, you

were born in the millennium,
9999 so basically, you remember

having kids around that time.
They made movies that we could

enjoy.

Oh no, if I make a list of my
top 10 favorite movies without

genre being, you know, Nemo is
that's good closer to the top

than to the bottom. Like I love
that

movie, psychedelic trip, where
the father actually loses his

son. He's dealing with this
drama, yeah? And plus

Ellen DeGeneres, of course.

No, it's, I'll sit and watch, we
watch those. I took him to the

theater to see Nemo, and then
when it came out, I bought four

copies. I wanted, one for his
house, one for my house, and two

for the bus.

It was a run where they made
great movies for, you know, all,

like, parents could enjoy them
because they were like little

adult jokes.

Yeah, now, and I'm like, that
was not little though, right

my face. Oh yeah, The
Incredibles.

Oh Madagascar too, with Alec
Baldwin,

dude. It's loaded I left them
moving. The funny

thing is that you had my kid. We
took my kids to see, I think I

was at my camis first movie,
Madagascar too. Yeah, that's

monsters versus aliens. Yep,
great movie.

Oh yeah. How about the Monsters
Inc, with my one eye, Billy

Crystal, whoa. Billy Crystal, I
would say, like, probably

perhaps the greatest host of the
Academy Awards. Oh, by far,

yeah. I mean, Jimmy Kimmel did a
good does a good job

clean. Letterman was the worst
again, but, and

who did a fantastic job was
Conan O'Brien.

Well, Conan's just, yeah, I've
never watched one minute of any

show Conan has ever had, but I
am addicted to him in YouTube

clips. I will watch Conan
YouTube clips all day long. I

like his podcast. I think so
self deprecating, but I've never

seen because I don't really
watch that kind of TV, like I'm

I was born, you know? I had to
sit through regular TV, like,

knowing when things were on,
yeah, and then this YouTube

streaming thing is just, that's
just what the doctor ordered for

me. Yeah, on demand. I don't
like commercials. I don't like,

you know, yeah,

anytime, yeah. Now, are you
still you are a Yamaha drum guy.

Are you still Yamaha drunk?
Well, don't

tell anybody. He switched. I
teach math and science to fourth

graders. No, I'm still a Yamaha
guy. But to be honest with you,

I have a Ludwig kit that I
bought. I bought it like

somebody bought it for me, and
it's just so easy to throw in

the car and go and nowadays,
like most venues, have a house

kit, yeah,

but I saw that you have two
Yamaha kits. And I was like,

maybe they're passed down from
because 119's 82 recording

customers.

That's that's his great kid, um,
but he, when I graduated high

school, he got me a Yamaha Live
Oak, when that one of the rocks,

one of the original ones, before
they took him off the market,

and, you know, revamped them
because they got so popular, and

then put them out for apple
juice. More. I just

didn't know if you can call it,
you know, call the Japanese and

be like, hello. Can I have his

card behind? Dave, who I'll
what.

So now, well, that is, that's a
perfect transition. I was gonna

say. Now, how did you get into
teaching math and science to

fourth graders? And did you go
back to school to get your

your education degree? Yes, I
had an undergrad in applied

music studies, which you know
that and five bucks will get you

a cup of coffee. So I decided I
wanted to do it. I kind of, I

kind of fell into it my my
wife's a teacher, and she

suggested that I try subbing.
And so I started subbing, and I

really liked it. And I found
myself like on the road with

Edwin, thinking about students
back at the school and and then

I started, I wonder what
Johnny's doing today. Yeah, and

I started learning about the
school to prison pipeline, and I

just looked at this as like, I
think this is something I can

do, and there's a lot of people
that do jobs I can't do for the

betterment of people, and this
is what I can do, right? And I

kind of saw the writing on the
wall with what life was going to

be if I didn't do something
different, and I'm not sure I

wanted it, and I just kind of
like I got one life, and I have

multiple interests, so I wanted
to go do this other thing, plus

it gave me insurance. I mean,
Mr. Asthma over here really

needed me to have good
insurance. Get your inhaler. Oh,

he was he gave us, He gave us
some jump scares, that's for

sure. But. And so I just Yeah,
so I went to Tribeca Nazarene

University, got my master's
degree in education, elementary

K through six. Nice. And then I
went to David Lipscomb and got

el classes and got el certified
so students, and I mean, to this

day, I really enjoyed and then,
I mean, there's a lot of can

you, can you speak freely on
this box? Oh, there's a lot of

bullshit that you have to deal
with when you're a teacher. Is a

lot of stuff that's just very,
very difficult. But it doesn't

matter, because at quarter to
eight every day, the kids come

in, and I'm just so happy to see
them. You know, I make fun of

their names, I sing songs about
them.

Now, how many years is that
you've been doing this. That's

my 15th year. Okay, so in that
amount of time, you've seen kids

graduate the system, go on to
college, yeah, I've seen some of

that, and some of the other
direction, and becoming, well,

and become adults tax paying,
you know, citizens, yeah, and

that's got to be, you know, I'm
kind of in the same lane, in the

sense that I don't have a job
connected to a specific

institution, but I do a lot of
mentoring, sure, because I never

had kids, and, you know, I'm
working on probably two decades

now of seeing people go on to
moving to a great Music City, or

getting into college or becoming
part of the industry, and I'm

like, Man, this is so
satisfying.

Yeah, it's very satisfying,
yeah. And just, you know, my, my

goal is to make this one year of
their life where they can grow

and they can enjoy themselves,
and then the rest, you pass it

off to someone else, and
hopefully some kind hands will

hit that student

as well. Yeah, for me, it was
like the most my goal is to

always be the most memorable
teacher can I, because I had Mr.

White House in sixth grade, and
he was a, he was a British chap

and, and he was just really
pushed us. And, you know, we had

a school newspaper, and he
encouraged us to read, like,

insanely advanced literature,
like, remember that book?

There's this book called The
Clan of the Cave bear. It was

that thick. I read that sucker.
He wanted us to read, you know,

all the, you know, The
Canterbury Tales and the

advanced reading summer list.
And I did it in the sixth grade.

Yeah, you know. And he did you
do it

because Daryl Hannah was in the
movie,

I know you, oh, yes, that's back
when you had, you had, you hit

pause, but it was grainy, and
nowadays you can just

there it is.

But you know, a lot of it too
is, you know, like I said, like,

when Nick was born, I had to
leave, and I wanted to come home

and and be a dad, be a dad, you
know, and, and I wanted to be a

dad to his brothers. The three
of them are the three amigos

there. Yeah, they sit around
talking about anime, and do

you have any like like that is,
I want to say appreciation. Are

you aware of that sacrifice? I
mean, do you have any like depth

and weight of measure of the
sacrifice he made?

I think about it a lot. I think
sacrifice is a is a harsher term

that I would probably think
about it. I would, you know, I

think it was just the right
decision, even though I, you

know, I benefited from it. I do
think, like, that is what,

that's what I would want to do
if I was put in that position.

That is, that is me saying,
like, okay, that that's the job.

That is what you have to do.

It's, it was just a decision. I
just made a decision, like

something

else, like it was out of your
system,

a little bit out of my system.
I'd done everything. I realized

that, you know, success was
really just a picture of, like a

guy holding a picture of
success. It wasn't necessarily

the real thing, like there
wasn't that much behind it.

Because I know that, because, to
this day, I can't go to Publix

and buy olive oil without
hearing myself playing drums.

Yeah, yes, I'm not cool. I'm not
sitting in a Scrooge McDuck

vault rolling around gold coins,
you know? So it wasn't what I in

those in those terms, it wasn't
what I thought it was now, in

terms of having experiences,
adventures, and being able to

play great music that I was
really proud of, it was more,

yes, I got to play with the
premier singer songwriter and

acoustic guitar player of his
generation. Yeah, he's one of

the best musicians I've ever
known and ever played with.

Wonderful people are like, did
you use a click? I was like, No,

I had Edwin. I didn't. He was
the click. Yeah, that dude's

guitar is guitar. He's the best
drummer that's ever

been. Well, that always works
really good on the on the six

eight feel, because six eight is
better without a click. It just

is. Yeah, those extra two beats,
those extra pesky two beats when

we

when we cut out b the producer,
Matt srlytic, we were sitting

around for an hour while he was
programming the click to get a

little bit faster toward the
bridge and then come back down

into the tempo map. Yeah, it's
tempo mapping, and I'm just

sitting there going, let's just
do it old school. Why are you

doing that? Well, we want to
feel more real, and

let's just play it real. Yeah,

I was gonna do that anyway.
Yeah, at my time, I felt really

confident with my time. I
thought my time was really good.

It was like, I don't have chops,
I don't. Have independence, like

a lot of people have, but I can
keep time, yeah, all day long.

Now, when did you get married?
What year? Oh, which one, I

guess the one that brought you
everything here, Gigi

and I married. I think it was
1985 nice so. And we got

engaged, we dated for a week,
and then we got engaged, and

then I drove to New Hampshire.
And I moved to New Hampshire

because I was studying with Gary
Chaffee in Boston. And after a

summer of that, you know,
comments like, well, you don't

really seem to have any
technique problems, but it's

because you don't have any
technique that one that would

hit home. But I kind of
realized, like, I love a lot of

things, and one of the things I
don't necessarily love is

sitting at a drum set for 12
hours a day. I'm not Vinny Cal

you. I appreciate him. You want
to play with songs, songs, and I

want to go fishing, yes?

Just whatever. Yeah. You know,
really good

fisherman. Yeah. Now it's my
dad's a lot easier to look like

a fisherman.

You gotta have the gear. My
brother is like a, like a, like

a fly Fisher, fly fish.

Oh, yeah, I haven't gotten it as
RSR, the river.

He makes his own, you know. And,
you know. And then he said, he

said, I want to take you fishing
one time rich. And I was like,

do I have to wear those gigantic
boots that go up to your Yeah?

He just cracks up to this day.
He he quotes and be like, do I

have to wear those ridiculous
boots?

Waiters, yeah, into the
bicycling thing. So I do have to

wear the ridiculous shorts. You
have to, because otherwise

you Chief doing distances like
that. Yeah? And I only asked

because I've been really getting
into biking myself. Oh, right

on. And, you know, I actually
want, at my age being so old, I

want to get back. I want to get
more into, like, the E biking,

but not because of the laziness
aspect of it. I just want to

enjoy it, yeah, and build up my
stamina.

Yeah, sure, they're great. I
mean, I'm out there on the

Natchez Trace, and guys on E
bikes are just right past me.

And I don't, you know.

So what is it? Is it have like,
a tiny little motor on

it, or something, got a motor,
and it's pedal assist. So if you

come up to, like, like, in my
case, there's like, a bunch of

hills out here. And if I want to
run all the way down to Main

Street on my bike, it'll, it'll
knock the wind out of you, you

know, I mean, that's doing its
purpose, right? But with any

bike, it just, it just, it makes
it more enjoyable.

Did he wear like, a helmet?

Oh, yeah, I had a bad wreck last
September, and came around the

corner and the whole bike just
went out from under me, and I

separated my shoulder. And,
well,

you know about Dennis Holt's
accident? You know Dennis Holt,

the session drummer in
Nashville. He had, like, a

horrendous motorcycle or
bicycle, because it because a

deer. I almost

got hit by a deer once. How fast
do you go on average?

I'm not a real speed demon. I
don't really want to go fast.

Anything over 30 miles an hour.
I'm nervous and I don't like

it. That's pretty dang fast.
Yeah, I mean, that's, I'm lucky

if I get, you know, 15 miles an
hour.

It's funny, because there's a
there's one down, is this Murray

County? Well, this is
Williamson, but not too far from

right?

So there's one down in Murray
County, Down Columbia that I do

every year, called the
Scarecrow. And I do it's 45

miles, and I do that one, and
it's just in a day. And then

then there's gravel ones like
the gravel grinder and the

gravel revival. And those are
brutal, because those aren't

even roads, they're just
destination. What bike shop do

you like around here? What's
your choice Mohab, and they do

most of my work in Franklin,
okay? And then pretty much

Mohab. Is that where you guys
are? Franklin? No, I live in

Bellevue. Try to drive you guys
had to drive 90 minutes. Yeah,

we came down early. How about
that traffic? Well, we didn't

hit any because, you know, I
took a half day off school

because I knew, like, if I
taught the whole day I wasn't

gonna get I think

it's so cool you guys just like,
you know, because this show is,

like, herding cats. It's like,
you know, the guest list is so

long, all the people that I want
to get, but then I'll, I'll cast

the net, and I'll send it out to
eight drummers, and the first

two that come back like you're
booked, because I, you know, I

got to get somebody right, so I
appreciate

you. And I talked about doing it
for a while, and I was kind of

like, well, why would you know?
And then I thought, you know, it

might be fun. Yeah, yeah. So I
get to bring my best friend, my

favorite trimmer in the world.

I love this. Oh, my God, total.
You know, Jay and Max Weinberg

situation here, man, yeah, yeah,
Nick

was playing saxophone in the
band, and then one day he just

comes to me, he goes, Dad, I
really want to play drums. Like,

well, we got him, so he just
started playing. And I'd never,

I don't think I ever gave you a
drum lesson, ever.

He taught me how to play 50 ways
and pretty shuffled

nice. But those are intensely
complicated. It wasn't the

first. I still can't play them.
Yeah, the pretty shuffles

belongs to a futures and people,
yeah, many people should, yes. I

see a lot of people

using it because you got, you
got the little quiet footnote,

oh yeah, in there that shapes
the phrase.

That's how I've been in my song.
Dogs. Now, instead of doing the

book, I don't, it's good night
tip

your waitress, you just wear
like that's been a tick of mine

for since I was in high school.
Don't play sit down at the kit

and I play 50 ways. It's just
what I do, you know? And now I'm

actually playing with someone
who does 50 ways in their show.

Nice. And I gotta tell you, it's
a lot harder

just to get it to land and feel
good with the inner dynamics

cars coming out of the courses
back into the thing every single

time, I always flub for a couple
of beats.

You know, yeah, and Steve cat is
one of them. He's the most

recorded drummers in history,
but he's also one of the nicest

guys. Yeah, I've

never met him, but I've only
seen him once, yeah, but if I

was gonna see him once, it was
on the Paul Simon rhythm of the

sage store. So that was, when
did you see that 92 was right

after they did the Central Park
thing? Okay? They were here at

Starwood

because I saw them. I want to
say 99 or maybe 2000

Star Wars was Antioch, right?
Yeah, out there.

And if that show was still
going, I'd still be sitting

there going, sure, yeah, it was
unbelievable. Richard T was in

the band. Michael Brecker was in
the man. God, it was, yeah,

it was a big old like, ensemble.

Okay, so there's a saxophone
relationship here, big because

you had to play sax for a little
bit,

right? That my story was, I
wanted to play the drums, and my

mother said I had it too loud.
She wasn't wrong. Why don't you

play the saxophone? I always
like the sack.

Okay? And then you start on the
sax. Yeah, I started love sex.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind giving it
a shot. Now,

it's a great, I mean, it's, it's
linear, so it's very easy to

understand how notes work. I had
a great time, just like,

learning how to play music,
understanding how to read music,

how to just get a grasp

So, and then you get to, you
know, you get to really sell it,

you know, with, with, like, the
Dave Koz thing, you know, like

in the Kenny G thing, and the
circular breathing. So I was

just up in Long Island. And, of
course, you know, in Long

Island, you got to play one
Billy Joel song. I played with

this local band, and the
saxophone player, he plays sax

and Debbie Gibson's band. But I
love it when there's a melodic

solo on an instrument, whether
it be guitar, saxophone, and the

person takes the time to learn
it, no for note, because, you

know, soccer moms can sing it,
they can hum it. Sure you gotta

do it. No for no. And he did
that, you may be right solo. No

for no.

And

I was like, oh, yeah, you got me
on the very first drummer jam

that I did, yes, and it was the
Stuart Copeland one, yeah?

Douglas corner, I did hungry for
you, yeah. And so I brought in

two sax players. Yes, it was
Nicholas and Craig Wright, oh,

my God. And that was played four
notes 10 years ago, okay? And

then, but then there's also

Greg right, Eric Church's
drummer, yes, he played. Those

were my two sacks.

Where was I that night? Oh, my
God, those drummer jams. Man,

we've had, we've had a Jerry
Gaskill one. We had a Stuart

Copeland one. We had a Neil
Pierre one. We had an Alex Van

Halen one, the Phil Collins one.
We did, do we have a Do we have

a bottom one daughter?

Bottom? Yeah, the bottom one.
You had a Jeff won, but those

were before they really took
off.

Dude, that's seven right there.
But there's a picture on your

Instagram, way, way, way down of
you sitting on the Alex Van

Halen, kids, wait, what did you
play?

I played incredible rock because
Junior's Great.

Oh, perfect. It the flam on
snare on the snare on beat four,

you can't beat

Oh no, I had it was so much fun.
And you got to come to some of

those. So, yeah, I

got to see the Phil Collins one.
I did the Stuart Copeland one

with

you. And you know, he did a loud
jams when you were still 15,

yeah, like one or two. Actually,
he

did Jojo, oh, my god,

that was hard.

He just was so great. And he's
up there playing, you know, he

wants, I'm nervous for him, you
know, he walks on stage just a

couple things, looks around,
123,

he's nice. Away. And people are
coming up to me, go, he's got

your time

35 years.

Yeah, no, it's, I'm always
developing. It's the first thing

I check, like, you know, like
when I sat in with this band in

Long Island, the first thing I
did was gather all the footage

from all my friends immediately,
just made sure that I was, is,

is it as good as I remembered it
feeling, you know what I mean?

And I'm hard on myself, but
that's the number one thing.

Yeah, I used to have the mini
disc player, and I would record

my monitor mix, because I had,
like, a little mix mixture, you

know, I had my two mix and then
I was, you know, I had, I ran a

few loops, not a lot of stuff.
Yeah, I wanted to have complete

control over it sure, because
when you don't, you end up it's

tighten up your butt cheeks. You
can't hear that. Ashley Simpson

on SNL, yeah. So I was recording
my monitor mix every night, and

then listening to it after the
gig, and going, Well, why the

hell did I play that film that
just broke everything that was

and so I really just got that
gig down to this essence of. Of

and at one point I did an entire
tour with one a kick drum, a

snare drum, a hat and one
cymbal. Yeah, that was the rig

for the whole that's awesome.
And then God, Hendrix is on

fire, man. I've been covering
that lick up all this time, you

know. So it really was a great
eye opener. Wow.

What was it like when you guys
did the Van Halen one? What was

it like to sit behind that kit?

That's awesome. It felt great.

It was set up great, yeah,
because we weren't allowed to

adjust anything

you gotta Yeah? So, I mean,
this, the seat heights got to

remain the same. I think

that was the only thing we were
allowed to adjust, was the seat,

seat, yeah?

So, because he was a, he was a
high snare drum guy, yeah, you

know, it's

worked for me. I had to crank
that damn thing because I'm a

low rider like Tommy Aldrich,
which is probably not great for

my

back. So, I mean, but basically
you were hitting it. What naval

level right around there,

he found a video of me playing
all weight recently. It was

interesting. I wish I had
learned the, you know, you don't

get, get to get on the kit. So
sometimes the drum to drum

specifics, right? As a macro
rhythm, I knew that all I have

to do is kind of like phrase
this around the existing drums,

because it could actually get

on the kit, two up and two down,
yeah,

and you're a one up, two down,
yeah, right. But you did. You

played fly by night, and that
was the, I'd never heard of the

drummer jam. That was the first
one I ever went to, yeah, and,

but then I was watching
everybody, and everybody was

coming off going, God, that drum
sets, terrible. Oh, really.

Well, it was just, you know,
massive, massive kit.

It wasn't, I mean, he didn't
really set him up. Neil didn't

really set him up very
ergonomically, back, no,

but it was funny, because and
then Murphy went

up and

did limelight, and I thought he
just crushed that. And then that

was the first time I ever heard
Billy play. He closed the show

with LaVilla strong Jada. And I
was like, Who is this kid? Yeah,

Billy, Billy Freeman. Oh, god,
yeah, Billy's great. And I was

like, Oh, the future of drumming
in

Nashville. He's a, he's he's a,
he's a Vinny type guy. It's so

funny. We had him on the show is
his wife bought him a birthday

greeting from Vinny caluda.
That's awesome.

Well, this is gonna sound like
I'm making this up, but I swear

I'm not. I'm in West Virginia.
I'm in college. I'm trying to

figure out the second verse of
keep it greasy off of Joe's

Garage. And I can't find the
count, yeah. And I go, I

remember hearing that Frank
Zappa lived in Sherman Oaks,

California. So I'm gonna call
411, ask for Sherman Oaks and

look for a number for Vincent or
Vinnie coluda spelled it. They

gave me a number. I called it.
Vinnie answered, come on, this

is amazing. And we talked for 45
minutes, and he was the nicest

person in the world.

And you're like, Hey, man, I'm I
mean, you explained yourself,

yeah, hey, I'm calling from West
Virginia.

I grew up 10 minutes down the
road from where he grew up, so

we knew a lot of the same
people. I played in a band I put

myself through college playing
with a singer that Vinnie had

played with in the past. Yes.
And then we also have a mutual

friend, Randy Sander Beck, who
was Kevin Murphy's teacher at

ETSU, who was my teacher at WVU,

wow. But you know, if you look
at the Zappa songbook, I feel

like Joe's Garage still. It's,
it's so holds up. Yeah, it's

incredible. That's my favorite.
It's the whole thing Joe's

Garage. Lucille has messed up.
My mind is my favorite if you

want to hear how to play reggae
fusion, oh, and then the most

incredible way.

And those buzz rolls in, that
fat snare drum, and those hats,

he's like, 22 right?

And it was just recorded in
like, you know, Zappos basement.

It's, I mean, it's, to me, it's
like, just ridiculous drum sound

thing, yeah, so on those Gretch
drums, those yellow ones, yeah,

unbelievable.

Just they sound so good. And,
and, and it was weird, because

the first thing I've heard Vinny
on was Gino Vannelli Walker,

night Walker. Yeah, dude,
because my friend Jim

florekovich, he's at one of
those Pittsburgh guys union

town. Oh, you never heard of any
call you to, yeah. Oh, man,

Vinnie. And he plays me
Nightwalker. And I'm like, What

the hell is this, you know? And
then he goes, Oh, you got to

check out Joe's Garage. So
that's how I kind of and I'd

already had zoo to lower, so I
was already bozzy owed, but I

hadn't really heard Vinnie
before, so and then it was just

everything Vinnie, yeah, but
Gino was the gig to get because

he went from Graham Lear to
Casey Sherrell, yep, to mark

crani to

Vinny Cal You did to David
garabali, yep.

And he's got some young, Oh,
that 22 year old lion now

fire, yeah, because Gino is a
drummer, and he knows drumming,

yeah, you know so and, you know,
it's funny, because, like, when

I was 25 I lived in the same
town as my parents, and I talked

to them once every other month
for 10 minutes, and he and I

talked. Got a phone four times a
week, and it's an hour and a

half

Wow, because we're talking

about Mark crane, commonality.
We're talking

about Barrymore Barlow, you
know, Jim,

do you have the YouTube pipe
through the system? Uh, what do

you need? I just would it's just
a kill to hear just eight bars

of Lucille has messed up my
mind, please. Lucille has

messed up my mind. It

sounds like roto times it

is perfect.

Yeah, I just, I just turned my
next roommate of mine onto that

record not too long ago, and you
just the look on his face. I was

like, I'm gonna start showing
this album to people. I think

it's good.

Well, it's funny because we were
outside in the waiting to come

in, you know, yeah, he got here
a little early, and I'm showing

him average white band videos,
and he's showing me slipknot.

That definitely just happened,

that new drummer, and Slipknot,
I mean, it's like all the

drummers have been amazing. But,
you know, we were talking to

Jay. That is Eloy coscro. I
mean, yeah,

oh no, tight.

I've just never seen somebody
hit so hard and great sound like

great sound is great, great
tone, great time and totally

accurate.

Yeah, yeah, he's undeniable.
It's I

did I miss the beginning?

Oh, we'll hear it again if you
want.

There we go the way it
straightens out at the very end.

I

love all the symbols with no
bass drum.

Yeah.

Ike Willis. Is he still alive?

I'll be singing this in the
stairwell at school tomorrow. Is

that where you go?

My kids, Nobody's allowed to
talk, but not because they can't

talk in the store, because they
can't mess up my singing. Yeah,

as soon as we hit it, I'm like,
I guess you wonder where

Nice?

So, yeah, I sing

in the stairwell at school,
because the acoustics are

unbelievable. Oh yeah. Like,
those 50s do up groups, yeah.

And then the kids are all just
like, Oh, shut up. And I'm like,

I have a SAG after card.

What do you have, kids?

Yeah, the sad, the sag
residuals, any, anytime you sing

on a late night television show,
the pay, the pay is much better.

Oh yeah. So I always like, just
give me a microphone. But so the

two guys that sing, Jack and
Tully, their checks are fatter

anytime we do a late night show,
if you'd be so surprised, like,

ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna
pull back the curtain. You know

what it pays to play the Tonight
Show, $500 but do you think it's

like you it's like a thing like,
Oh, my God, I'm gonna play that.

And it's incredible
accomplishment. Like, 500

bucks. Oh, that's 750

Yeah. See, you make little bit

more for a little bit learn

how to rep. I don't know how
those guys remember all that

stuff. Somebody who's got the
the dense flow, like, what's his

name,

the the white rapper, kid,
Eminem, yeah.

Oh no. It's I, it's so far
beyond me.

And the rhythm, the rhythm
structure to fit it all in. It's

like

Buster rhymes. That's, it just
boggles my brain.

Maybe just do like gang vocals,
like doubling the vocals.

I'm so busy back there I can't
be singing. I'm sweating and

grunting, twirling.

Lincoln TV is such a weird
thing. I did the view, yeah, you

know, because everyone was the
wedding guy, you know. And we

got there and, and I didn't end
up singing any background. All I

did was play shaker, and could
not ask for more. And they

didn't even have that mic. And I
got my 500 bucks, or whatever it

was, yeah, and, and it was
funny, because it snowed really

bad, and we couldn't fly out. So
I was stuck at the Omni Hotel,

and I just, I went through that
mini bar and the mini fridge and

ordered room service and just
took the took the robe and

skipped out

Regis tab, I'm so happy that you
and I broke our pattern of you

being my Uber because you were
my Uber driver for like, two

events. Oh, did I you were like,
you're like, I'll drive you

home, kid. Oh yeah,

we're at the red door, and I'm
like, rich, let me, let me run

you home.

Thanks. I have been drinking.
I've just been doing meth all

night.

The red door, thank God, yes. So
my new

red door is right up the street.
Is the mission cigar bar right

there as my so good. But near Z,
you know what? You know near,

yeah, he, he went to the mission
cigar lounge in downtown

Franklin on the square. He
really nice. It's really nice,

really, yeah, that's cool.

We might be doing some podcasts
there. Great vibe, man.

Yeah, I used to go to a cigar
bar down on Jim Umbrian with

Buda. Oh, it was like a whiskey
cigar place,

yeah, was it next to 10 roof or
whatever? Yeah, it

was right next to tin roof. What
was that? It was seven years.

Seven years. What's your go to
stogie?

I doubt

I'm the last guy in America I
still smoke.

Oh, good cigarettes. Yeah,

camels, Marlboro lights.

I'm on Marlboro light special
select now, but it was, it was

camel lights for a long time.

Do you lie to your doctor? Do
you lie to him? Or you? Did you

say, like, yeah, I smoke.

Yeah, that's what am I gonna do
lives? What

are they up to? A pack now,
$357.28

and I don't, you know, I do
that, and then sometimes I vape,

and I do a little both. And, you
know, somebody asked me just the

other day, said, I don't know
how anybody can smoke anymore. I

was like, I don't know how
anybody can't Yeah, awesome. Me

and Chris Nix are always, you
know, I quit for two and a half

years. Yeah, I didn't touch a
cigarette. And was it? Was it

miserable? No, not really. I
gotten past the misery part. You

know, the first couple of
months, I can't imagine.

Were you the worst kind of
quitter? Were you like, you

caught a secondhand smoke whiff,
and you're like, Oh no, no, no,

I didn't, because I mean to me,
No, I never did that stuff. I'll

smell it. And I'm like, Oh

yeah, it was weird. I didn't
touch one for the longest time.

And then when we did the Phil
Collins thing, I was doing

auxiliary percussion and a lot
of hand Sonic stuff. Yeah, so I

was at the rehearsal all day
long, and at the end, nicks and

I are out in the driveway, and
he's got a camel light. And I

was like, I let my guard down,
just for a second, and took one

one cigarette. And two and a
half years was out the window

like that. So I know if I ever
really do successfully put them

down. I could never go back.
Yeah, I learned that much.

They still make camel wides.

Probably not this one awful. The
hash on that thing would just

because, you know, I was on
stage with Edwin, and I just

always had a funny Carlos. He'd
be holding a note, and I'd be

like, you know, it was Steve
Gadd in one trick pony with his

cigarette smokes just going into
your eye, and you couldn't be

happier, and you're just
playing, and you're covering

yourself with ash, and because
he's ridiculous, it's so stupid.

Can I try smoking rich? No,
never. Just so smart. Yeah. I

mean, like, really, like, if
there's one thing I would change

if I went back in time, I would
never

start. I really feel bad about
the cigars, because I just know

that still, the smoke is getting
into your

Now, ultimately, you know, you
know when to say when, yeah,

yeah, right now when

it's so funny. For years, I've
always been the, you know, the

Catskills manager, like my
impersonation of anybody in the

music industry. And now I that
guy. I'm a, I'm an old goat in

Nashville, like, survivor of
decades in the industry, smoking

a

cigar, yeah? Crazy guy, yeah.
Oh, that guy's been here

forever, yeah?

But at least, you know, it's so
funny that even though you're

not touring, you get to lay your
hat in in the Music City, one of

the last places for the music
business. But we're all in the

same place at the same time
recording, and there's a great

well of talent, like you just
named like, five bands that you

play with at the third and
Lindsay of the world. And, you

know, tell you the truth, I have
been looking for some fun thing

that I could do where we do,
like a like a guilty pleasures

type or long players type thing,
where we could play four times a

year or something, and it's a
big event, and Nashville comes

out, it's just hard to find.

Just wait for my average white
band, covered band, and that's

it. That's it for me. I'm just
doing that

well, you and I were supposed to
do some, some big event, and you

and I were going to switch off
on percussion. And then Jason

booked something last minute,
and then I couldn't do it at

all, and you did all of the
auxiliary percussion. I can't

remember what it was like a year
or two

ago, yeah. But yeah, it's funny,
because it's, I feel connected

to all of it, and I'm I just
played on a record with my boy,

Eric Hamilton, and then I've
been playing Eric Hamilton since

night, and then you mixed it,
and he's mixing the album, which

is kind of like having your son
do your colonoscopy,

because he's pulling up all the
files he

can see where the like. Can see
where the mistakes are. Then

I'm going to move that.

He gets the call from me. Hey,
man, second snare drum hit in

the second course, man, you're
going to have to tuck that thing

to the right just a little bit.
He does it for me. I do, but I

came from an era where you
didn't get to do that. You had

to learn when to cough so that
you knew like you're listening

to a song you played on with
your buddies. And you know that

snare drums coming late so you
because it was on two inch tape

and there wasn't any moving,
yeah. But now we get to fix

everything. So I get to sound
like, you know, which is good,

and. Bad, others good and bad.

Yeah, you got the, what is power
of love? Yeah, when it comes in,

it's, there's a flam between the
kick and the snare.

Oh, yeah. That was a thing back
in the day when we recorded to,

I feel like, you know, chime in.
But when we recorded to tape,

and there was a four on the
floor, feel if you flamed a

little bit between the kick and
snare was fat, and it was you

looked the other way, and it was
very acceptable. But now

everything is just so well.

This is what happened when
engineers became producers,

instead of coming from the
music. You had these engineers,

and they're like, up on the
grid. You know, I don't want to

say who, because I don't want to
bad mouth anybody. But there was

a record that sold 10 million
copies, maybe 12 million copies.

And I talked to the guy who
mixed it, and the producer

turned it in, and every hit from
every drum was so on the grid.

Yeah, it didn't sound human at
all, yeah. So this guy had to go

and, like, introduce humanity
into moving things off of the

grid, yeah, you know. And he
goes, and he said, that just

sucked, like he it took him a
month to fix the fixed tracks.

Wow, to unfix them.

Yeah, so 10 million copies here,

that's, I wonder if that's going
to make a comeback, especially

now that AI is so the rage, and
it's good, taking over the music

industry and creative and all
this other stuff. You got to

wonder if that's going to make
like, the way they used to

record a thing again, you know,
a band on the

floor kind of already is, if you
look at like, what Lewis Cole's

doing, that's, that's the only
thing I'm interested in. Did you

record it in your house, in the
stairwell? It doesn't have to be

perfect. It's just beautiful.
Yeah. And he turns me on to

stuff all the time, and I turn
him onto stuff. We're going to

see Noga Erez this week. I don't
know if you've ever checked that

no band out of Israel. And the
new thing, and it's just in time

for an old, fat guy like me is
playing really light, and it's

cranking the freezing but just
playing light because there's no

nobody's on headphones. Yeah,
there's no monitors. You're just

playing and they're making
you're shooting your video and,

man, some really good music is
coming out of that stuff. Nice.

I don't know if you've seen the
the nowhere stuff, if you've not

checked it out, dude, that's
21st century music at nowhere,

nowhere, K, N, O, W, I, E, R,
nowhere. It's Lewis Cole and

Genevieve arcoty, wow. And dude,
do yourself a favor.

Yeah, it's as good as it gets.
Well, I like that when you're

you know. I mean, you see that a
lot in roots music and

Americano, where it's like a
much lighter touch.

Yeah, much the drums sound huge.
I mean there, I mean watching

some of that Beatles documentary
on ringum. I mean, like, there's

times where he is hitting, but
there's also times where, I

mean, we talk about, talk about
this all the time, where the,

like, the idea of the drums were
huge in our heads, but really it

was a single microphone standing
on top of but, you know, the

performance is what's huge,
yeah, you know

the humanity, right? Every

picture tells a story. Mickey

Waller, yeah, my favorite. And
you listen to trash hat rock,

it's like a, it's probably a
Ludwig club date kit with a

couple of mics on it, and
they're all in the right ear.

All the drums are in the right
that's

one of my favorite records, man,
that records and they just came

back from the pub.

Yeah? You know, Oh, we did we
because we did Maggie Mae on a

record, like we decided to, one
day at sound check, we just

started jamming, and we decided
to learn Maggie Mae, and we

learned it, and then we did on
the record, and we said we had

to get in and actually analyze
it. And there's so many wrong

notes, just you can tell they
cut it once, and they were like,

it's fine, move on. And it's
been part of the fabric, guys,

yeah, for 50 years.

Incredible, incredible. Hey,
with you living here since 1990

Yeah. Do you guys have a father
and son restaurant? You guys go,

do you love for your favorite
kind of food?

Kind of, not really one between
the two of us, because he's a

ramen guy. So what's your ramen
joint?

And black dynasty has some of
the best food in Nashville,

hands down. Where's that that's
over. It's over. It's like, kind

of by Sylvan Park, black
dynasty, white dynasty. It's in,

it's in a brewery called Bearded
Iris. Oh, wow. Those guys,

they're just, they're insane.
They travel to Japan a bunch to

go.

Jim's got a beer

podcast. Bearded Iris got some
good stuff. Oh yeah.

It's actually when I got into
beer, because I was going over

there eating ramen all the time,
and they were telling me to

start pairing beers with the
bowls I was getting, and you

need to listen to the ales and
tails podcast on your coaster

there.

Yeah, but that's nasty. Ready?
Can we keep the coasters

Absolutely, yeah.

Man, got coffee cups for you
too. Yeah. You guys are taking

home the iconic

deal, it's not dishwasher safe.
Okay, remember there.

We found out the hard way. It
came out it looked like

a the Hulk, you know, like old
gamma.

No, we need to do. We need to
get a t shirt with the mug on

it, and that says underneath,
not, not dishwasher safe. Yeah.

Yeah, thing that'll be my school
mug, because I have to hand wash

my dishes at school. Yeah, yeah.
How's your teacher lounge? Is it

fun? Gossip and stuff happening
in there? I don't go in it ever.

Do you brown bag it a lot of
times? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if

not, I run over to the twice
daily and get a cheeseburger.

And, you know, I'm still like,
what school is it that you teach

it? Yeah, I teach at Gower
Elementary, which is right next

to McCarthy's bookstore over
there on the west side.

Used to so I substitute Todd at
all the because you know that

back in the day, in 1980 would
be like, you have a job request

at Gower Elementary.

I remember I would get like, 57
calls a day. I was like, if I

could book sessions like this,
I'd be incredible.

And then we had, I had the Map
Quest it to figure out how to

how to get there. That was like,
and

then print it out. We have
survived some technology. Man,

are you finding those calls to
increase over time? Because, I

mean, the teaching professions
kind of,

well, there's no subs anymore.
They've ruined the whole thing.

What do you mean? What do you
mean? Well, we can't get subs

where everybody's just on their
own. Now there's no that whole

thing is just,

they can't find anybody to sell
it. Just made it, I

don't know. They keep tinkering
with it, and less and less

people want to do it. And I'm so
stupid because I worked in

Swimming Pool Heater factories
and painted gas stations, and I

could have been subbing the
whole time. Yeah, indoors.

Well, I mean, it's pretty I
mean, you got to get your

tuberculosis shot and you got to
get a background check the

eye fingerprint check. Yeah,
that went okay, yeah.

But

so when you say you're on your
own, what if you can't make it?

What happens? We just the
principal figures out we have

classroom associates, which are
like subs that come to school

every day and they put them to
work, and then we have a few

people that are still kind of in
the system, but it's, it's, it's

not what it was when you were in
it, wow. And when you were in

it, you would get 30 calls a
day. Oh, it's insane. And what

the worst part was, I figured
out that if, if they, if you

show up before 11 o'clock, you
get the full day's pay. So

they're calling you at 630 in
the morning and you're just

going, Nope, yeah, nope, nope.
And everybody get that 10

o'clock go all right on the land

loop. Oh, the perfect job for
somebody who wants to be a

musician, because if you get a
gig or a recording session or

something, you just don't go,
the computer doesn't go we

really need, you know, just on
to the next call.

Totally. Hey Jim, ask your
question

buddy. You know I'm actually
looking up.

I do have to clarify what they
sure have done, but we'll get to

that.

Okay, so you're waiting on me.
Okay,

you find your special questions,
and I'll take your normal

questions. So if you guys had to
play you guys, each can end you

might have the same, same band,
but if you had to be in a

tribute band, then only play
that music for the rest of your

life. What? What band? I'll let
him

answer for me, average white
band. Yeah,

it's all I care about. Uh,
that's hard. Do

you know Steve? Are you friends
with Ferroni? No, okay,

I wouldn't dare Yeah,

and 77 I cut school to go down
and wait in line to get tickets.

And I got there at seven o'clock
in the morning, and they opened

the ticket window at 10, and I
was the only guy standing, yeah,

first ticket, amazing. And I saw
them on that tour, all right.

And I did get to ask him a
question when he did a clinic at

four long ago. I got to ask him.
So you really, I'm so deep on

him, yeah,

yeah,

okay, so, but who would what
band would you

probably rush? Yeah? I mean,
they're my favorite, yeah,

now what that'll keep it
interesting

for the rest of your life. I
mean, I'm in a bit of a power

windows phase right now, nice,
but I think permanent waves to

grace under pressure, that's,
that's permanent waves, moving

pictures, signals, grace under
pressure is the keyboard. Ears.

It's just unbelievable. I like
signals, the music's crazy.

Talent windows, big money I used
to play, be able to play that

note for note. Well, that was

permanent waves or something
that's no signals. Power signals

factor, big money. Big money's
on power windows. Yeah, that's

power window, yeah.

And I stopped at signals, like I
bought the record, all excited,

like every other rush record,
and put the needle down, and it

was over. I was done

with because of the keyboards.
No, yeah, no reason at all.

I was just done with them, and I
took 35 years off, and then

rediscovered him, rediscovered
him. And it turns out they

didn't wait for me. They just
wouldn't have made music anyway.

They were like, Dave, stop
listening. We should probably

hang this, right?

You got to appreciate the fact
that with the documentaries they

made in the last 20 years on
those guys, they really just say

they played the they didn't give
a damn, and it's they just, you

know, the people followed along,
or that they did. They had a

raving fan base.

The craziest thing was, and I
can't say this 100% sure, but

I'm pretty sure I was at Neil's
very first gig with Rush. Oh my

God, because they were, they
were opening for your right heap

at the Pittsburgh civic arena,
and I remember. Going to see

your eye heat. So I probably saw
rush on Neil's very first gig

ever. But I don't remember,
because I didn't really discover

them until all the world's a
stage, yeah, and from that point

it was on, I saw him like four
times on the Fair Board of Kings

store, and I was the biggest
rush fan in the world, amazing.

But then R B just took over
that, yeah, just became

everything was R B for me, so,
so then he's like, you know,

dude, you're really missing out,
man, you gotta listen, he is

missing out. Great pressure.
Late 80s era is crazy, yeah,

it really was. I'm a fan of that

era. I love it that it's not
nostalgic for you Nick, it's

actually new, yeah, because we
live, we live through it, you

know?

Well, honestly, like, I was in
middle school, and I was that

was, like, the first record I
ever waited to come out. Was

their last studio album,
Clockwork Angels. So I got to

sit there and be excited for a
record to come out, and then it

came out. And I remember being
downstairs watching videos on

the computer. Wow, the
documentary is playing. And I

think, I think my dad told the
story that one of my brothers

was like, come on, come on, dad.
Show him. Show him. And my dad

goes over, like, behind the
computer, and pulls out this

envelope that had two rush
tickets to at Bridgestone. That

would have been what, like 2013
that's one of the greatest

memories of my whole life. I
have a, I mean, this is a rush

tattoo from that record. Wow,
man. So, I mean, I think about

this. I think about seeing
Russia. My dad, white band,

yeah.

So what is that? A

rhythmic thing? Yeah, it's from
the cell. Person, person, okay,

so

I just had fun, you guys.

I see a letter at that letter to
that got that

on the EF for show you with a
haircut.

The thing about

the this was, I heard this and I
decided to become a drummer,

yeah? Like I heard the song, I
heard this lick. I still think

the drummer that played on this
was the original drummer for the

average white band, and I think
he's one of the greatest

drummers that ever lived. And
I've only ever heard him play

eight songs, yeah, and because
he passed away, he died of a

drug overdose when he was 25
when pick up the pieces was

still moving up the charts.
Don't do drugs kids. Don't do

drugs kids. And then feroni came
in and replaced Yeah, but

Robbie, like you go listen to
that record, man. You're just

like he would have played on
Steely Dan records. He was that

good. Jim Gordon, good, he was
Bernard Purdy good,

you know, Oh, how about that?
Jim Gordon, My God, what a

horrible thing you're hearing
voices he was, he was this

incredible session drummer,
like, you know, the Carly Simon

era and the, oh

yeah, all that kind of, the one
that, that picaro

just Yeah, so vain, incredible.
Heard voices in his head. Killed

his mother. Oh, wow. And he's in
prison for life.

Man just recently passed away.

Wow, I just not that long ago.

Well, hopefully his prison
experience was not

tending on a high note, anyway.

On the other hand, I'm a
motivational speaker.

On the other hand,

on a much higher note, it's
funny because people will come

up to me and go, are you still
playing a whole lot? And I'm

like, No, I'm not really playing
as much as I used to, but the

boys kicking ass. So the
franchise?

Yes, franchise is a

good the Harrison family.com
legacy.

So that's Dave Harrison, and
that's Nick Harrison. How do you

guys like to be found? Do you
have like an easy

you know, we established or
Instagram.

Do you like people signing in
your DMS?

Like, I've never understood this
well, like people would call me.

How'd you get my number? I want
to get business cards made up

that just say, Dave Harrison,
recovering asshole, and no phone

number, no.

It's amazing. I contest
information.

Are you an AFM guy? Were you
always like a union guy?

You know, very little, actually,
very little. I didn't do a lot

of the Union session stuff. I
did a lot of custom type work

when I was, when I was doing a
lot of sessions I did. I worked

all the time, but it was not,
you know, Chapel Hill, six songs

in three hours. I hated that
crap. Yeah, I didn't like doing

it.

I have an idea for that business
card. What is it? Put a phone

number on there, but it's not
the right phone number. There

you go, and it goes to recording
of you saying I gave you the

wrong phone number for a reason.
Leave me alone in

this day and age. I thought it'd
be funny to have a business

card, but you have to put it
under a microscope, and it's

everything I've ever done in my
entire life,

or the phone number goes to
Kevin Murphy,

because He will not

answer. He will not

answer, leaving messages all the
time, and then I hear back from

him three weeks later.

Don't you think he needs his own
podcast? Oh, my God, he needs

his own television. Delightful
curmudgeon.com.

Yeah, I met him when he was a
freshman at ETSU. Oh, you guys

go back that far, wow. And the
Kevin Murphy that we all know

and love is just such a teddy
bear. Old Kevin Murphy.

Was nuts come out to

Edwin Giggs, and he would take
my phone and put it in, like

Chinese,

I can't do anything with this
phone, because

who was that American Idol guy
that he played with in the early

days?

Yeah, that he was the

green guy. Yeah,

Josh Grayson. Josh gray that's
when I met him, that era.

So we were doing

a gig, and I was playing with
Jessica harp. I used to get

those road gigs where you're
playing with the person who has

a deal at the moment, kind of,
you know. And we played a gig

with him somewhere in New York,
somewhere upstate New York and

and I said, I said, Hey, man,
I'm just, I don't, can I just

play your drums? And he goes,
Yeah, sure. So pretty good. He

comes up, he goes, Did you bring
your own snare drum and cymbals?

I was like, no. I said, I used
your sticks amazing.

Got it, walked off the stage. I
didn't know you

guys went back that far. That's
crazy.

I love him. I was doing a
record, speaking of Rush, I was

doing a record that was being
produced by Peter Collins, and I

got called in to do percussion,
nice overdubs, and so I'm

working all day on the record.
And man, I just kept going, man,

these drum tracks are killing
me. These are drum sets are so

good. And finally, I just had to
break down. I was like, Who is

the drummer on this stuff? And
they're like, Oh, he's a brand

new guy in town. Just got to
town named Kevin Murphy. And I

was just like, I was started
crying. I was so proud of him.

Nice. The tracks were amazing,
yeah. And I just love I saw him

with tonic. I mean, I saw him
and tonic a bunch of times when

I was with them, but I was
playing with Carol and Don

Johnson. Yeah, we went to see
Sheryl Crow and train, and tonic

was playing on the in the
parking lot, right? And so I'm

just sitting there watching
tonic, just going, what a great

man. Look at this drummer, you
know. And I know Kevin really

well, you know. So I'm like, Oh
my God, he's so good. And then

he looks at me, sees me, and
it's like he just, you know,

reached down and took the little
lid off of the red button and

just pushed that. Just took off
show for me. And I was just

one handed role, same species of
person.

I mean, so what is, what is the
story with Branford Marcellus,

so Branford, you know, he lives
in North Carolina, and we used

to do these gigs with hoodie and
the Blowfish there's like,

Monday after the Masters gigs,
and that this was like that, but

it was like something to do with
the BMW car corporation or

something. It was in Greenville,
South Carolina. And Branford is

just hanging out, and he's
playing with Hootie, and he's

playing with us, and he's just
really cool. And then we're in

the dressing room, and we're
just talking to Branford. And be

like, the cool thing about
Branford, he's just awesome to

talk to. He's just really nice.
And so I said something about

like, I was like, you know, I'll
be totally honest with you,

like, if my monitor mix is
great, I really don't give a

shit if the mains on are on or
not. Like, I don't care about

the audience. I don't care about
their entertainment. I just care

about the musicians I'm playing
with. And I do it for me. I

don't have an altruistic bone in
my body when I play music, it's

just for me. And he goes, Yeah,
I know. Man, like, back when I

was with Sting, I used to, I go,
Wait a minute, you played with

Sting, Jimmy the blue turtles.
And he goes, Yeah, for like,

oh, fuck, man.

And Hendrix. Lee, Hendrix

is on the floor crying loudly.
Hendricks, the bass player,

yeah, he was with Edwin. He was
so, you know, it's just

something I just did to goon on,
you know, Bradford. But then

I've got a snare drum and a set
of brushes, and Branford and I

are just working out jazz, and a
half an hour jazz ended up

having a ball. I just can't
believe it's even happening. So

we finish up, you know, I'm
putting my brushes and stuff,

and I said, Hey, man, I gotta
go. I gotta go jerk off and

update my resume. That's funny
as a joke. Yeah, I put Bradford

Marcelo.

That's amazing. Well, he's never
really played. He seems like the

more approachable the Marcellus

brothers, oh, he's, he's just
like you and me, except that

he's forgotten more about music
than we'll ever know.

And he was the band leader on
The Tonight Show for some time

as well for Jay Leno.

And I just took Jack to see him
with the Nashville Symphony, and

it was unbelievable, amazing.
So, yeah, so that was, that's a

joke I did not play

with I love the story. I don't
play at that gym. How about this

father and son team here? Did
you avoid meeting them? Did you

find your weird questions?

Or I kind of, I'll say, I don't
like that one. I'm sorry. So

maybe I did. What are you
looking forward to in the coming

months?

I a weird

one for me. I got two bicycle
rides. Yeah, I'm doing the

gravel revival and the
Scarecrow, and we're going to

see Noga Erez, and then we're
going to see Steve Ferroni with

Paul Jackson. And I can't
remember everybody that's on

that

gig. Where's that? Leslie, I.

What you're going to totally be
able to go talk

to the guy? Well, yeah, I might
be able to, I get, kind

of let him break the ice for
you, yeah, because I took him to

see

Dave weckel, and then he's not
there at the table with us for

the longest time. He goes back
and said where he goes, I'm

backstage talking to Dave
fearless. Well, he deserves to

go talk to Dave. Yeah, I've
never actually practiced, so I

don't have nothing to say.

What are you looking forward to
the next couple of

months? Well, I just moved into
a new place, living in Donaldson

now, so I'm just excited to
that's the new East Nashville.

Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I've
never really explored there too,

too much.

So Whataburger there now, let's
say again, you got a Whataburger

there now, and you have a red
door.

Thank God I was living in
Antioch, and that Whataburger

came in clutch after, like, late
nights and stuff. So yeah, just

making music, I'm producing,
mixing, drumming, excited for

all of that. I love it. And
Karina

Hardesty, yeah, Karina Nicole,

Karina Bridget. Bridget, she's a
new artist. She's from the

Northeast, and an amazing kind
of Americana soul, like one of

the most amazing voices I've
ever heard, nice my life. And

we're working on some some new
music. You get

her, get her a record deal. Kid,
you know,

your troubles are over. Yeah,

I just, I want 20% chocolate.
That's good, man. Well, it's,

this was so fun, and it's, and
it's a first, and I think it's

probably going to be the last
father and son team.

Well, I mean, you know, I'll be
back in 20 beauties kid, yeah,

and beauties kids coming up. Is
he really how I saw Dave Black

had his kid behind the kit? Oh
yeah, no. My comment was, I

said, be careful with that. I
said, you don't know the pain of

watching your son become twice
the drummer you ever I do crazy.

Oh my god, yeah, no, I never
made life, so I have to live to

you guys. That's right, hey. So
thank you guys. I really

appreciate, really nice. Thanks
for making the trip. And you

know, we go way back, and it's
so cool to see all your Rising

Phoenix, rising trajectory. Ask
him

whose favorite record producer
is. Who's your favorite

record producer? That's a great
Barry White, yeah.

Ask him what his favorite band
is.

So you know about we have that
drummer here. Ed, green. Ed,

green. Oh, is that right? We had
him on the show like six years

ago.

Oh, no kidding. Yeah. I have to
go look for that one. Yeah, ask

him his favorite band, favorite
band right now, I'm a sugar.

Love it, man. Just fun, right?
Fun, awesome. We got to make

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