The Rich Redmond Show

Coming to you from crash studios
in Music City, USA, Nashville.

This is the rich Redmond show

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the rich redness show. We talk
about all things music,

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the heck comes up. Very exciting

day because I am in the room
with Jim McCarthy, co host, co

producer, drummer
extraordinaire, Jim, how are you

buddy?

Good man, how are you? It's been
it's been a minute. It's

been a minute. You've been so
busy, you're producing 20

podcasts, you know, you're
keeping the world safe for

podcasts, this incredible new
media. Occasionally I'm lucky

enough to get you on the Zoom,
you know, but we've been doing

this on Zoom for about four
years. This pesky, you know,

international pandemic reared
its ugly head, and so we were

not doing the in persons, but
today we are in person. And not

only are we with each other, we
are joined by Australia's

hottest country rock duo.
They're great friends of mine.

Of course, I'm talking about
Nick and Tom Wolf. Are you guys?

Oh, my God, Nick brought his
beautiful bride. Hello. Now,

Todd, you were saying that we
are you are about 10,000 miles

from your homeland. And this
almost seems like a joke when I

say it, because it's so
interesting that I know two

people, three people, several
people from Tasmania. Yeah,

doesn't get further away.
Really, it's so good to be back

over here with you guys. It's
been 2019. Was the last time

we're over and lost changed in
those five years. Yeah,

Nashville's.

Nashville is a lot busier than
it used to be. There's more

traffic, right? It's crazy. It's
been it's such a journey to get

over here. I'd forgotten how
harsh that wrong. No flight is

like it just we used, used to be
pretty good at adapting to the

time zone change, but

this time, what is it like? 24
hours, 15

hours ahead of us right now,
okay, it's like 130 in the

morning back at home. Sometimes,
you know, you land here and it's

you instantly just adjusted.
This time was not the case.

Yeah, it was brutal. That is

brutal jet lag. I remember one
time I went to Japan, and when I

came back, I slept an entire 24
hour period. I suppose I think

you're just supposed to adapt to
the current situation is that,

you know, melatonin land well,
you

know, really embrace melatonin.
We can't at home, you got to get

that through a prescription. And
I think it's like 150 bucks

something, but this time, it's
just Walmart and, yeah, buy like

400 of them. So we've stocked up
on melatonin, stocked up on

melatonin, and

we've stocked up on Advil. PM,
before I go back,

I gotta do these things. Are
watching. Don't

sit my bag.

I always have, like, before I
get on a flight, I got to make

sure I have gum, yeah, to make
sure I have Mucinex. Okay.

Otherwise, it blows out my ears.
Sure.

It's horrible. The Mucinex is
used to, kind of drain the

cavities. Yeah,

it helps you with you just, you
know, because all the gumming up

with the works and drain the
cavities. And when you go, when

you come in for landing, it's
just, I feel like a hope hot

pokers, mayors, yeah,

man, well, I did take that trip
one time to see your beautiful

country. And we, we were only
there for like, five days, yeah,

Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney.
And I feel like Sydney is it

like an amazing combination of,
like, New York and LA, you got

the palm trees, but then there's
the culture, yeah, and there's

like the fashion, and people are
beautiful, and there's like an

energy. But I was, I was there
for like, 18 hours, yeah,

that's a good I see we've said
LA is kind of Sydney's,

Australia's LA, I think it's
probably good, yeah, good

comparison, yeah.

Now let me say this to folks
that aren't familiar with you.

Check these guys out on the
Spotify. These are just some of

their accomplishments. Their
first original music release was

in 2010 and then there's this
amazing story about Australia's

Got Talent, which I want you
guys to get into, six albums,

written and recorded. But that
ain't nothing. Look at this. 19

Australian number one country
songs, nine golden guitar

Awards, which is kind of like
Australia's CMA Awards, and

you're, it says that you're the
most awarded group in Australian

country music history for
Australia, number one albums.

That's a lot of congratulations,
guys.

It's been a hell of a journey.
It's like, I think part of me is

so proud of that, but also don't
like to say because you don't

want to come across as

like, yeah, we're with the
great.

It's just we've worked really
hard at it, and we love doing

this, so we're very proud of
what we've got to achieve,

especially in the last few
years, like where the industry

sort of embraces at home. It's
been, it's been amazing mate. So

yeah, we're, we're very
fortunate to do this

now, one of the one eight. Yes,
I agree. I'm right in there, in

that lane with you, with the
gratitude factor, we're going to

go back, because take us back.
Everyone's got to do that. But

one of the latest
accomplishments, as you guys

played with with the Tasmanian
Symphony Orchestra, we

did. So this came about during
covid. We Australia got locked

down pretty bad. Oh, yeah. So we
couldn't really, like, it was

all sort of different state by
state. So there's a lot of

states we couldn't go into tour.
So it was really hard for us. We

were in Tassie. Now that was one
of the most locked down places,

right? Well, yeah. And the thing
is, we're an island state, so we

didn't even really have covid

there. Like, kind of the good
side of it was they locked it

down really hard and wouldn't
let their own in. But life was

pretty well as it was. We just
couldn't leave, I guess, beacon

still pretty much go anywhere,
and because we had zero or three

cases, and those, those people
would have been like, indoors

or, you know, so obviously
pretty extreme, but it was

pretty for the most part. We was
just kicking around doing what

we

normally do, that's right. So
during that lockdown, a friend

of ours named Tom rhymes had
access to a church of all

things, Wolf brothers playing in
a church. He's like, can you

guys look, I'm doing acoustic
shows. I want to see musicians

just start working again. And we
were like, Great, this would be

really fun. I guess we're
probably known a bit more for,

like, high energy, as you said,
country rock. I'm running over

the stage like an idiot. It was
a really good opportunity. It

was a really good opportunity to
slow things down, talk a bit

more about the story, about the
songs. And he loved Like, he

loved it. And he was like, Well,
I do a lot with the Tasmanian

Symphony Orchestra, yeah. I
think this would actually be a

really cool pairing, like
pairing, yeah. Talked about it

for a few years, and then,
credit to the Tasmanian Symphony

Orchestra, they came to us last
year and said, No, we really

want to do this. We want to
invest in the charts, and we

want to create something that's
really special to Tasmania in

our state. And it was, like,
incredible. We, like, went

through the set list about 20
times with them, and tried to

pick sort of a covering of our
career and tell a story. And,

yeah, it was a playing with that
orchestra was like, such a such

a different beast than what we
normally

do, totally bucket listing, you
know, to hear songs that we've

written over the last 10, you
know, 12 years or whatever,

like, come to life in that
different way. And, you know, we

got to, Tom did such a fantastic
job with the compositions. And

kind of was that, you know, an
early song girl, by the memory,

that was kind of our first
number one that took a

different, you know, some things
took a totally different turn.

Like that. We redid the chords.
We made it more like Glen

Campbell, the song that that you
wrote that kind of night, which

has been a massive song for us,
and it's always a staple in the

set. Let's love it that kind of
took on, let's say like an

Indiana Jones feel.

You know that open the song you
wrote, open the show with this

sort of orchestra intro that
went for two minutes, and it was

like a movie.

It felt like we were Indiana
Jones walking out into the that

was honestly one of the coolest
things ever. Yeah, so good

walking on, walking on the stage
with those shows the world that

was heroic. Heroic. We the
coolest people.

Orchestra is it is such a unique
thing, and it's just so

powerful.

We love combining it and like
for us, you know, Nick and I are

the wolf brothers, obviously,
but we travel with a five piece

band, and we wanted to
incorporate that as well. So

there was some stuff that was
like, drums, electric harmonica,

keys, full, rocking out, yeah.
And then we also stripped it

back to just Nick and I
acoustic,

and total shout out to the boys
in the band and the crew too. I

feel like everyone rose to the
occasion. Yes, uh, we was

really, I'm proud of us all.

I was pretty stressed leading up
to those shows, and I was maybe

the most stressed I've ever
seen.

You over prepare, you know, and
then you just go, and then you

just let it go and let the Muse
take over and and you guys

filmed it. Did you film

it? We recorded it, filmed a
bunch of it. I think actually,

the Tasmanian symphony orchestra
are making like a documentary

process, because they came down
to the farm with Nick and I and

Simon, who runs a TSO and Tom
rhymes. Simon is like, imagine

an orchestra guy. He's exactly
what an orchestra guy looks

like. White hair. He looks like
Mozart. I love you. I love you,

but that was honestly, and we're
going to do it again. And

actually, I haven't even told
you, I got a text from Simon,

literally, yesterday. He wants
to send some of the live

recordings off to other
symphonies around Australia and

do it again, rinse and

repeat once you get the charts.
And that's

the great. England, like, we
actually did a songwrite Two

days ago, right next door to
where, like, the Nashville

Symphony was. And I was like,
Oh, just

to the university. I could
totally see that. See that

happening. And you so you guys
have been in town for like, like

a like, two weeks. You'll come
every couple years or so and

just write right, right every
day, rights.

I feel a bit like an empty show.

For people that don't know,
songwriting is a such a craft,

we're in the songwriting sort of
capital the world for this

particular kind of music,
songwriting capital. And

just, you know, you walk outside
of your house and you know, the

mailman's a songwriter, your
barista is a songwriter.

Everyone is a songwriter. And we
wrote one together about a week

ago, and you came in with a like
a fully fleshed out title.

Great. I were and it just

happened, which I came up with
about 10 minutes before you

walked in. Let's just pretend it
was something I worked on for

years. But no, that's one of my
favorite ones we've got in this

trip. What did

you guys write with this week?
Was a lot a lot of writers,

yeah. So

we wrote, obviously, with
yourself and Eric halby, you

guys wrote that kind of night,
which has been a big part of our

set. We wrote with a great
friend of ours, Jordan Brooker,

we wrote with CJ solar, couple
of great ones with CJ. Yeah, a

couple of great ones with CJ.
Another great mate of ours. Drew

Kennedy, of course, with fellow
Aussie, Phil Barton, synonymous

around town for being just an
energy

and energy vortex.

Lots of like, lots of people
like, and I reckon we could have

written another 20 times, but
the brain is only capable of,

yeah, of so

mentally and physically to do
the thing. A lot of calories are

being burned, neurons are
firing, and it's

just another another place. I
mean, I think you could write

three songs a day, but they're
not going to

be what's the biggest hang up in
a song when you're writing

lyrics

and everything? Second verse?

Is it the second verse? I'll be
like, you know, do I use the

here or, or, you know, is it to
get to that?

Definitely, the thing for me is
if, if the idea is great, you

want to make the whole thing
great, yeah, right. And it's

very easy just to go, like, cold
beer Friday night girl truck,

you know, but you want to dig a
bit deeper than that and make

sure it is great and is going to
stand the test of time, and is

going to hang around and not
just be more. People are saying,

you know, the the cool word of
the week is lit, so let's use

that. That's, yeah, we don't
really like to do

that for guys that are in town,
like riding 567, times a week.

I, I don't know how they're
coming up with the like the

ideas, right when we planned
this event in five years, and we

booked the flights like six,
seven months before we come

here, and we had both had like
ideas in our phone for trying to

come up with great song ideas.
Halfway through, we'd, we'd ran

out of five years. We had six
months to prepare, so

it's a thing, yeah, and to I
think just because everyone's a

musician, everyone's at the top
of their game here, not that

that's not the case at home,
yeah, I guess just it's so

focused, everyone's like, trying
so hard to to get to that next

level here all the time. Yeah,
it's competitiveness, but it's

also lifting everyone up as
well. Yeah, absolutely. You

know, like, on the ideas thing,
when we're at lunch after we

wrote the other day, you you
said something, and I wrote it

down as an idea, yeah, which
turned into, like, a great song.

So let me ask you this, I've
always had an idea for a song,

if it's, if it's mentioned, does
there's somebody able to, oh,

that's a good idea, you know?
And then they run with it, and

all of a sudden, some guy gets
I've always had, you know,

maybe, maybe I shouldn't put it
out. I don't know what the heck.

Be careful. Yet,

You're half two years. I was
like a she's in her get two

years. I always have a theory on
life that you go through

different phases. Most of our
lives are half two years, the

things we have to do and we're
working to our get to years.

This is on record. Okay?

We can write this via zoom

tomorrow, but that is a great
idea. And if you're in a writing

room, you just talk, and you
just, you probably spent half

hour, hour just really talking
about it and going, Okay, what

do we need to say? What exactly?
How do we really shape this

idea? I'm

just a concept guy. Yeah, no one
realization I've had this trip,

particularly is, it is so much
luck, even though everyone's

great at what they do, bringing
great skill set, but it's going

to come down to like, Okay, how
are the three people in this

room feeling on this day? What
have they listened to in their

life, let alone? On the trip,
the drive to the right, or the

previous couple of weeks. What's
kicking around in the in the

cogs, in the mind that's gonna
come out? You know,

does it come out of frustration?
Sometimes, sometimes, yeah, it's

definitely some. That's another
thing is to the awkwardness in

the room, propels the right
fort, because

I'd be really good. In that
sense, I make things really

awkward, like closer mates here,
like Jordan Brook is a really

good mate of ours, and we wrote
a song, and it probably took us

six hours, yeah, and it took
that long because we could relax

laugh,

or Tom was lying in the floor
like crying with laughter.

That's a level of comfort you
don't typically get in

a National Writing Room. If I've
just walked into a ride with

someone I've just met, you're
not gonna do that. But sometimes

that's also good, because then
you're like, sort of say, so

focus on tasks. It's like, okay,
so what are we? What are we?

Okay, what do you think of that?
Like? It's there is so many

variables in it. And then I
think we've been talking a lot

of the writers here, and they're
like, love this, you know, we'd

actually love to pitch some of
this stuff. And you're like,

okay, and then then it's like,
what mood are they in when they

hear the song? But what if they
just listened to before that? So

you just, you got to put it out
there. Hope for the best,

because you're

in a closed room, typically,
right? Yeah. So what if, like,

you know, the receptionist walks
by and you guys are kind of like

at a log jam, and she just
overhears and said, she just

goes, bam, and she just gives
you a suggestion. She's

like, it's gray area.

There was a

story about the friends in low
places, right, where there was

one individual in the room that
just brought stood, like, one

word,

or they got a co write credit,
full credit, really? Yeah,

that's Nashville, because, like,
and I know some of the pop world

stuff when there's, like,
there's a beat maker, and

there's like, a 13 writers on a
song, and everybody it looks at

the number of words, and they
add them up, and they slice and

dice by the number of words, and
then there's like, yeah, if

there's three people in
Nashville, everyone's getting

33.3% right? But in LA and New
York or Atlanta or whatever, and

there's 13 writers there, it's
weird, yeah,

different. Yeah, that is one
thing that's great. And, like,

especially when we first started
coming over here, you know, we

were going into rooms with like,
right? Is it a way better and

more experienced at us. And
they'd be like, No, we'll just

share it out. It's all like,
we'd maybe take an idea and

they'd sit there and write the
song. But no, no, it's all good,

like, so I love that attitude.
It's helping out. And then, you

know, you got to put it

out there. You guys are, you're
the type of artist that are in

the deep end of the pool,
getting your hands dirty so

involved with everything, you
know, doing the writing, because

there are some artists that
just, they just take

the songs, yeah, and that's,
that's also, that's also cool. I

think for us to feel like saying
things that are going to connect

with an audience and feel
authentic, I think they've got

to come from us. You know,
ironically, the only two, a

couple of songs we've ever
released that we haven't written

were written by like, you you
guys, with you guys.

So kind of not you got to me,
yeah. So

I think I feel like they're both
songs like, I think you guys

should re pitch that over here,
because they're just such good

songs,

thanks, man. So yeah, some songs
that we've got in the room and

wrote together, you got to me
that kind of night when I was

the one, no sad songs. Were they
all number ones? Yeah. Oh, my

God, I helped Cory four number
ones. I gotta change my bio. You

know, what's great is that you
guys are these things. What's

what's really makes me proud is
that these are a staple of your

live show. And let's face it, in
this musical economy, taking the

music to the people, directly to
the people, is really a primary

focus of where the music
business is. Like, hey, let's

create this community. Let's
have this healing feeling. Let's

have this special night
together. Please buy a hoodie,

you know,

well, I don't know about you
guys, but for me, covid just

submitted for me, how important
live music is. Live music, I

mean, I know we can be so
connected via the internet, via

our phones, but going into a
room, watching a band or an

artist and getting lost in that
moment is something we all need

to do more of, and even for
myself, like, you know, the most

happiest I've ever had, ever are
in my life is either when I'm

with my kids and my family, or
literally, when I'm on stage and

everyone's in sync and you just
know the band's cooking. I can

look over at Nick he's rocking.
It's like, Ah, this, this, I

love that. Like I have no
desire. I will tour until I die,

like I want to be in a
wheelchair, like getting my wife

and kids to pick me up at
hopefully 90 years old to I can

keep playing. I just love it.
Live for it.

It's got to be extra special
that you guys are connected by

blood. You know, you look over
you're like, Oh, my God, it's my

i. And we came from the same
place, literally. So am I right

in saying that you guys are your
third generation musical family?

Yes,

well, actually fourth. So where
we come from in Tassie, we're

fourth generation farmers,
raspberry farmers, raspberry and

blue raspberry, strawberries,
cherries. That's

good farming.

So we're like on the foothills
of Mount Wellington in Tasmania,

so it's a little bit colder and
stuff. But yeah, our great

grandfather bought the farm in
1899 so what's the 125 curly.

Yeah. Curly was his son. Okay,
so curly wolf was his son, and

he had his own wolf family
orchestra, which is his wife,

our Nan, and our dad and his
brother and everyone played in

so they always had the farm, but
they always played music, always

played music, and I think curly
and our dad especially, maybe

wanted to do what we get to do.
I sort of feel like we're the

beneficiary of, like, four
generations of people who've

just worked their ass off. Yeah,
and we, like, get to actually do

because dad would like say to us
all the time growing up, don't

worry about the farm. Just don't
worry about it. Just do your

music. Do what makes you happy.
So, like, the fact that we get

to do that, I mean, like, we're
at work right now. We're at

Nashville doing a podcast. You
know, after this we're going to

go, like, to loveless cafe. This
is our job, it's pretty easy.

Exactly your

grandfather was in his half two
years.

You're in your get to
generational thing at this

point. It

is so like, we feel very
fortunate to do it. But yeah, a

lot, a lot of music. Dad was a
drum. That was a drama. Yeah,

you helped

him cart his drums around to the
casinos and the,

yeah, yep, we used to take him
to sound check, and if we'd been

good, we'd get to bash the
Rogers kid. He had that big 70s

Rogers, you know, with like,
four Toms Nick's got it. Now,

it's like, it's like, full
Ronnie, Ronnie tart Elvis type.

Yeah,

we've just built a shed, and I'm
so excited to get home and set

up that kit sitting, you know,
in Tony's parents under the

house, you know, gathering dust
for a couple years. And so we've

got no really where to set this
up. And you're going to set them

up. Set them up. I'm going to
get a little PA, you know, and

just bash the hell out like,
obviously a guitarist, but love

drumming, and that's and had
that that kid with that

connection to dad,

I feel like we're both
frustrated drummers at heart,

because we both wanted to be
drummers, but

totally a frustrated But not
because of my drumming. I'm just

naturally frustrated. Give me a
symbol,

dad. Dad was totally like, No,
you can't, can't buy drums.

Can't Buy drums. I think because
he was a drummer and he wanted

to be in a band with us. He's
like, You can't buy drums. You

got to be that front

dad was dad's very Tom is very
dad, yeah. Dad was a front man,

but he was the drummer. Yeah,

yeah, because you're always
running around. Tom's kind of

the like, I'm the singer, but
Tom's the announcer, the I

noticed that you

do a lot of housekeeping. Let's
put our hands together, folks,

yeah, let's get out those
lighters. Yeah, exactly, you

know. So, but so, So Nick, you
started on guitar, and you and

Tom you started on piano. So I
started

on piano, and I did really enjoy
that, but Nick's a little bit

older. And then there came a
point when Nick brought home

Metallica's Master of Puppets.
Oh, gosh, and we're in the

lounge room, and mum's literally
walking around going the dance.

That was, like, that was a light
bulb. Like, what's that? You

know? And like, we grew up
listening to some. Was

it the album or the song that
got your master puppets, the

actual song, you know, from,
from Stranger Things, yeah, four

Stranger Things.

And you got to think, this is,
didn't have YouTube. We're

probably the last ones, right,
internet and all this stuff. So,

like,

you want to hear something, it
was given to you by, like, a

cooler, older kid, or, you know,
your cousin, yeah, who was like,

that's the men guy, you know.

And you just didn't, you'd never
heard of it. For, like, I can

remember our older cousin gave
us live after death. I made an

environment, and we were just
like, What? What is this? Is,

who

is Eddie?

Why are they galloping all the
time? Soon

as Nick bought that home piano
was gone. I went and bought a

baseball. I wanted to do that
with Nick.

So did you ever get into any the
Bootsy pop, slap stuff

a little bit during school? I
like that. But, um, that was,

that's probably, that's not my
it's almost

good that you don't that bass
players don't know how to pop

and slap because unless you do
it really well, it's

just very aggressive, very 100%
agree.

We went down to Broadway the
other night. What other day?

Actually? We're too old to go at
night, one o'clock. In the day,

and, yeah, we saw some
completely inappropriate slap

moments, like

I will always love, you

know, here's okay, you brought
up two, two very key songs.

Here's the funny thing, Master
of Puppets, when that song came

out the general public, what you
know you were metalhead, if you

were into that song, right? So
here it is. It got your

attention. And fast forward for,
you know, 30 some odd years.

Ouch. And it's one of the
biggest it was one of the most

downloaded songs because of
Stranger Things, because it was

like an homeless it

was an overheard of it Will
Ferrell, when they abducted the

kids for their their rite of
passage into the fraternity,

they that's the that's the
abduction song. But, I

mean, here's the other thing you
bring up, don't stop believing.

And I always ask this to our
guests that, come on. Do you

think that Neil Shawn and
Jonathan Cain were thinking we

are writing the hit of hits
right now? You know what? I

mean, surely they

must have known they're on a
stunt. But

never know this is gonna pay for
our grand grandchildren. Yeah,

lifestyle, I

don't know. Like, I don't know.
I mean, I'd like to think that

they thought, Chief, we've,
we've got a good one, yeah? But

I mean, like, sometimes we've
been in writing rooms and

written songs and gone. That's
the best thing we've ever

written, and they've gone away
three days and listened to it

and gone. What do we actually,
worst thing with music, you

know, I think once they go out
into the world, it's like they

can do anything, and then you
see, you're seeing now, older

songs, as you said, like that,
reconnect through the internet

and TV shows and stuff. So,

yeah, it just depends. I mean,
you look at Faith No More, you

know, the song that I'm talking
about, we care a lot. Yeah, that

thing is used everywhere. Yeah?
Like, who would have thought

those guys back in 1988 we were
like, oh yeah, this is gonna be,

you know, they came out with the
real thing. And, you know, you

know, What's that song? Can you
feel it? See it, hear it today?

Yeah, that song that was a huge
hit for them, yeah? But here's

like, before Mike Patton was the
singer of faith, no more, yeah,

we care a lot. Was in dirty
jobs. It was, it's used for

production stuff. I heard it
recently on something else. I'm

like this, these guys must be
making Bangkok. Yes, you know

what?

It was also a no no back in the
day for, you know, artistically,

for an artist to license their
song right out of the gate. They

would wait till, like, their get
two years, and they would be

like, okay, screw it. Let's,
let's make some money. But now

it's like, Hey, if you can find
a home for your music, I mean,

anywhere

video games, yeah, look at
Dragonforce, right? Remember

those guys? Yeah, fire in the
flames. That was the, that was

the supreme boss level music,
song you had to play in Guitar

Hero, yeah? Because it was so
fast and that put them on the

map.

Jim your your Spotify playlist
is like all you're like a closet

dad, metalhead.

I've always been through the
heavy stuff. Yeah, you know, I'm

eclectic. I'm all over the map.
I'll listen to Bad Religion.

Then I'll go to, you know,
country stuff, and I'll listen

Huey Lewis in the news. I've
been in a big Cook, big kick for

that. All about Huey.

Yeah, nothing wrong with us.
Nothing wrong with you. I always

fantastic. You know

what? What I was gonna ask you
guys, as you mentioned your, you

know, five guys, Band of
Brothers on the road. Yeah,

you've always had great
drummers. I we were all the red

door the other night. Kip Allen
has played for you. Your current

drummer, David, fantastic. So it
was like a drum nerd moment.

Tell us about your current band,
yeah.

So Dave Roberto on drums. Dave's
fantastic. He's as invested in

the band as like we are, yeah.
He's got a studio back in

Melbourne. He's sending tracks
all over the world.

Damn good mates, and all the new
stuff. He's

on a lot of our new stuff.
Ironically, we were in town and

we bumped into a bunch of
Canadian artists. And I'm like,

hang on. I'm like, our drummers
play drums on your stuff, and

he's here. So that's been really
cool. Our brother, Brody

rainburg, who used to be an
official member of the group,

Solly. So Brody. Brody stepped
back as an official member a

couple albums ago. Like, I think
creatively, he wanted to sort of

create his own voice, which is,
which is totally fine. And we

were like, We don't want you to
leave. He's like, why? He's

like, I he's like, I just want
to be able to do my music, he

said, but I really love to play
every gig. Like, yeah, kind of a

weird setup. Yeah. It works. It
works. And we've got a new guy's

been with us since, actually,
ironically, he did two gigs with

us before covid hit. So we
thought he was like the bad luck

charm for Scott target. And he's
playing keys, he's playing harp.

Great singer. So the band now, I
we think the band's the best

it's musically it's ever been.
It's just a powerhouse. Yeah,

it's amazing when that happens.
Just. It's like, he can't, yeah,

can't replace so I just knew
something was going on, because

I was like, you know, so Brody
was the third official member,

and then all the marketing is,
like, on the covers of those

would be like three, you guys.
It was like, oh, it's like a

rascal flat, right now. It's
like, just two years

we lost the good looking

so we have to write better
songs. No,

look, it was, it was very
natural seeing and, you know,

like, our journey has been a big
journey of coming over here a

lot, yeah. And I think just
before covid, we signed a deal

with broken bow, and which means
we were going to spend a lot

more time here, yeah. And I
don't he was pretty keen to be

more home in Australia. So yeah,
it was very like, it was a

painless sort of thing. It was
no like, arguments or anything

like it was just sort of
naturally what he wanted to do.

Yeah, I guess

it's kind of hard as a fan to
kind of understand that, because

typically, if there's not a guy
on the cover anymore, something

bad happened.

It didn't,

I think it's Tesla. You're still
playing all the shows. He's

just, it's honestly, if

anything, like, our relationship
with broad is the best it's ever

been. Wow, because we're all
just doing what we want, and

there's no kind of and

it's really great, like we show
the boys, obviously, stuff we've

recorded, sometimes they po in
the recording. Sometimes they

don't. But recently we showed
them some stuff we writing and

demoing up, you know, that they
hadn't been involved in. I was

like, Hey, boys in the van, I
check this out, and it's really

cool. Brody's like, that's the
most wolf brothers stuff I've

ever heard. So, yeah, it's like
a family actually. Ironically,

we were all texting each other
before we come here, and we're

like, It's been too long away
from each other. We've got to

get back in

the van at the

end of every one of our tours.
We're just like, all right, that

was great. Now it's time for,
you know, some, you know, peanut

brittle and my mom's cookies and
a little maybe it'll snow here,

and we'll it's the holidays,
we'll take a break, and then

that second week of January
comes around. Like, well, we are

ready, yeah, get back out with
each other,

or you would have like to your
entire, I'm assuming, most of

your entire life. You wouldn't
always packed. You wouldn't know

what to do when you're not doing
it right

now, it's been weird. It's been
weird going from 225, shows a

year to about 50 shows a year. I
have more time, which means I

have more responsibility as I
have a honey do list, I got to

make sure that there's food in
the refrigerator, clean the

house and just do normal things
when you're gone all the time,

you just really don't have to
deal with that stuff. Do

you Do you still enjoy touring
as much I do, man, I

you know. I mean, I love being
in a recording studio with some

some air conditioning and some
great coffee, and you're looking

in the whites of some people's
eyes. And you know, they're all

going to change history. It's
going to affect but there's just

something about being a
troubadour and taking the music

directly to the people. I love
it. I like the balance of the

two. Yeah, you know the idea of
somebody just having a studio

tan and just doing two sessions
a day, five days a week.

Yeah, it's actually ironic. So
you guys have all, like, played

together for like, 25 years,
like, yeah, forever, yeah. So

you guys must be a pretty tight
it's a secret

language.

You wouldn't even need to say
what the next

person, just like Aquaman. And
you'd like, Oh, I get it, yeah.

That's

implying wise you guys would
know what you're about to do and

you just get you'd already be
going with it. Telepathy. Yeah,

I'm awesome. It really is. Now,
now we're just talking about

being in the studio. We years
ago we wrote together. First, it

was a writing relationship set
up by your manager was and we

became fast friends. And was
like, oh my god, this is

amazing. And you guys were nice
enough

to just jump in and say, like,
rich went so above and beyond,

like, we didn't know Rich from
bar soap, and, you know, we were

big fans, I think, you know,
particularly the early our Dean

stuff like that. You guys did
that, that kind of we, that made

us kind of go, man. I think what
we do is going to work in

country, yeah, because, and you
just went above and beyond. And,

you know, Steve, our manager,
reached out to rich and said,

Oh, do you reckon you could hook
up the boys with a couple of

rights? He booked, like, three
weeks solo rights for us, like

he didn't have to do that.
Didn't have to do that in any

way, shape or form. But, man,
you're so thankful the songs

that were born out the
relationships amazing. You know?

Wow, I

appreciate it. And it's like I
don't feel like I did a thing,

but it's like these little
gestures you can make during

your lifetime can affect a
trajectory of

I mean, it's certainly affected
how,

I mean, after, like, if I come
to Tasmania, I got a place to

stay, you know,

door is open. I

always say that, yeah, funerals
are going to be either people

are there for the true, they
want to honor the person and

really, you know, be there and
it's going to be kind of that

thing, or funerals could be
networking events, right? I

think in Rich's case, it's going
to be, you know, the first

option. I mean, you've been so
good to people over the years.

So good man, you're gonna have
it. You're gonna have an

outpouring, yeah,

man, like it's hopefully it's
not soon,

many, many years, many, many

years, you have gone above and
beyond for us. And, like some of

them, songs that were born in
them, riding trips, like a sad

song. Well, I

learned stuff. You guys helped
me learn how to craft a song.

And, you know, because I'm not a
Guitar Hero, I just, you know, I

think it's, I think drum all
drummers could be natural

writers, because we're, we're in
the best seat in the house

taking it all in, you know, the
whole, the whole vibe of an

organization. And you guys were
nice enough to ask me to come

play drums on this crazy life.
And I went back, this is coming

up on, God, it's gonna be 10
years later. Wow. How could that

be? I was listening to it like,
man, these songs are great.

These arrangements, the mix is
nice. Luke Wooten, sometimes you

can let something air out. You
give it some space, you revisit

it, and you're like, This is
straight up, like, Steve rural

Mellencamp, like, like, it's a
good record, guys, what? I

thought it's pretty good. I

definitely know what you mean
with letting it air out. And

that that record, particularly,
that's one for me, that in the

recent years I've gone back, we
did pretty good.

Job well done. I agree. And all
of those songs came from that

writing trip, which is a really
cool so that record is like a

little piece of time. It's not
like your first album

we came over. We had nothing,
yeah, and I don't think anything

we had ideas. I think we were
touring really hard before we

came over, and then it adorned
on us. Oh, you're going to

Nashville tomorrow to write and
then record. Oh God. But so no,

that is, as you say, Tom a real
capturing that moment in that

chapter. And, yeah, obviously
very special. So glad to have

you as a part of Oh man. And

it was just like, Rich is in the
studio. We just love when Rich

is like, proper. Oh, he's just
an energy do a table, but you

give it a bit more big feels
they need, like

there's some big

thrown backwards, a song that's
really that's been in a set

since that day, and it will be
forever. And you played on that

one and that, you know, I
remember you coming out after

that one, just covered in sweat.
Yeah? I

think you bought, like, 4t
shirts.

I bring a shirt for every song.
Yeah, you do. That's

good. I mean, that is a massive
part of why that song's so cool.

You can't program that.

So wait a minute, you change
your shirts between song

recordings. Yeah, you

do that all the time. Sometimes,
if it's a nice Americana thing

or, you know, a sweet, you know,
troubadour girl, you know, and

we're it's brushes, probably
not, but they're always there in

case it gets heated. And they're
like, all right, rich, a little

bit more. Tommy Lee, and then,
then you got to change the

shirt. Yeah,

you can't have a fan on you,
because it's going to be picked

up by the mics.

Nick is so right though, you
can't, you know, I know we live

in a time where you can program
everything and basically not

touch an instrument to record,
but he can't replicate feel.

Feels so great, and that's
because there was a guy in the

studio working in his absolute
all, yeah, literally,

out of it all you guys, man,
just, just bringing, bringing

that, you know, that passion,
and that's a big part of your

your sound and your lineage, is
that, that country rock vibes.

And then there are some
departures, you know, some

programming, Poppy type stuff,
yeah. And then you had this

record, well, the first one you
got, it's on 2013 nothing but

trouble. 2014 got a live record,
live at CMC rocks. 2015 this

crazy life we just talked about,
country hard. 2018 now this kids

on cassette, 2021 and live in
the dream. 2023 is the latest

one kids on the set cassette is
that that was kind of a little

bit of a tip of a hat to, like,
New Wave you've got to and I

think

that was, that was during covid.
We were putting that one

together, started before, and
then we didn't scrap a lot of

it. But we're like, no, don't I
think that's totally where we

want to

head. That was the lockdown,
yeah?

A lot of, like, I was doing a
lot of at home, piecing it

together with what we've done.
Johnny gasparic In Canada, we

would send stuff to him. He
would do stuff. You know, Matt

fell at home. She's at home.
Lindsay rhymes over here. So

that was a real like through the
internet collab. I really liked

that album. Somehow it came
together. And I think it works

as an album, but, you know, it
very easily couldn't off because

it was so random. Yeah, you
know. But be proud of that one.

But we've got to say, after
that, our kind of instinct and

kind of reaction was like, Okay,
we did that. We want to get

back. To what we do basics now
feel like we scratch that itch.

And so, you know, living the
dream, we've got a new producer,

Rob McCormack, who's a guy we've
worked with on different things

with Lee Kernighan over the
years, and always had such mad

respect for him, because he's
like, we say rod is God,

basically, he's like, a banjo,
champion, mandolin,

phenomenon. Guitar, I'm not
saying this best musicians

anywhere on this encountered in
this play. So you

gotta go to the LA of us.

Rod, this is we've got the
golden mentioned, the golden

guitar, golden guitar awards.
We've got nine of it, but

there's rod's got more. There's
this golden guitar performance

from the mid 90s. You can find
it on YouTube and having a bit

of a guitar off. And the players
are rod McCormick, Tommy Manuel,

a young Keith Urban, and I want
to say Albert, Albert Lee,

Albert Lee, and they're having
this guitar off. I mean, you're

talking about some of the
greatest players, and rod just

wipes the floor, yeah? Like,
he's just phenomenal. So gone

back to him for living the
dream, and just said, We want to

make a country rock record. And
that was, like, a pleasure,

yeah? A

pleasure for us, absolutely
delightful, you know. And but

even that, we were fly. Dave was
flying, shooting the drums in

from his studio in Melbourne.
Nice. And then what we've what

we're doing now, we're in the
midst of recording another one

with Rod, but we're like, you
know what? Like, everyone's

programming drums or sending
them remotely. We play really

well as a band. Why? Why are we
not like, in the studio

together, doing what we do best,

I think covid and everything
kind of

happening now you guys are

done, like, done seven songs
like that, back in the room,

back and that's kind of, that's
the first time we've done that

since crazy life. Yeah, you
know, great, yeah, we

got the new one coming out.

Essentially, seems like such a
no brainer. Don't know why. I

don't know. Like, I

think doing this, you creatively
go different ways. Like, if

you'd ask us at the time when we
were making, when we did country

heart, we were really ready to
do that out try something. And

when we did kids on cassette, we
like, we really wanted to, like,

try some retro wave pop things.
I know that sounds weird, but

that's creative, that we were
like, Yeah, I wanted that sounds

so it's

been a little blessing and a
curse that our musical tastes

are so broad. Yeah, you know, I
think in some ways, maybe we

have, would have been more
successful if, if we were just

in the country, yeah, you know.
But then again, maybe not. I

think that's kind of the beauty
as well, is that we've had all

these other instruments,
influences and stuff we've been

into and drawn on them and and,
I

mean, like, it's art, like, you
can't, I mean, we could,

probably could just make the,
you know, there's a lot of

artists who make the same album,
like, over and over again. Like,

we don't really want to do that.
Like, I'm, I'm very proud of

everything we've done, and I can
sort of go back to those moments

in time to go when we made that
that was us being our most

authentic self. So, yeah, so
that's

the the records are this
beautiful snapshot in time, this

body of work. It's, yeah, it's
this 10 year journey starting in

2013 and now 2023 and then you
get to cherry pick all the

greatest from each record and
put them together for that Matt

live show. Yeah,

it's hard to get set lists
together now, yeah, that's just

set it and forget it for the
year.

It's always the staples. But it
is nice to have those slots in

the set where you bring
something back, yeah, and you

say, kind of, see, online, maybe
people will be asking for a tip,

you know, one song kind of have
a little bit of a cult moment

where, like, there's a song red
dress, and a lot of people

online, like, you never play red
dress. So

we're bringing that one back
lately. And that's like, off our

second album was never, never
single, you know, just so, yes,

it's

nice to do those things, and for
our benefit as well as, you

know, people want to hear those,
those kind of deeper cuts, which

is really nice. Yeah, there's, I
mean, there's nothing in the big

machine that, you know, sends
people to the deep cuts these

days. Obviously, it's, you know,
the singles on the playlist the

radio, whatever, like, that's,
it is nice that people take the

time to listen to the album.

It is nice. You know, that song,
you guys have damn good mates.

It reminds me of Tracy Lawrence
as you find out who your friends

are, right? But, and it's, it's
culturally, it's like, mates.

It's like, you know, that's a
specific thing to your country.

Oh,

well, like that was one we did.
Never expected to like, do as

now it was done for Lee
Kernighan, 25th anniversary. And

for people to know who Lee is,
Lee is, like, the best way to

describe Lee Kun. He's like, the
Garth Brooks of Australia. So

he, we were his band for like,
yeah, he's an icon. We did,

like. Up. We were his live band
and his opening act for like, a

decade, amazing. So which was,
it was going to be one tour, the

first it was going to be one
tour, and ended up being 10

years. We just had this
wonderful relationship. Nick's

written a bunch of stuff,
recorded a bunch of stuff with

him, that 25th anniversary
album. We we all recorded that

with him together in the studio.
So that was, that was

relationship we'd never because
we were fans. Like, Lee is,

like, the Australian country
king. You know, he's singing

like, songs, like, she's my ute
and Outback club and boys from

the bush. And when you're like,
17 country kid in Tasmania,

like, yeah, you can absolutely
we used to go to his gigs at the

casino and, like, get kicked out
because we'd be like, trying to

stage dive,

been the most wonderful working
relationship, wonderful

friendship. And it was actually
Lee's ideas, like, I want to do

this, damn good mates together.
So I think that really, really

sort of SUS our relationship,
friendship, and it's really

connected, like it's even we saw
him recently, and he's like,

Jesus, that one, just that one
just shot out of the gate. And

see that's in every set forever.
So where,

where was the 10 years? Was it
pre 2013

so he No. So during all

of this, during he saw us on
Australia's Got Talent. So 2012

we went on, Australia's Got
Talent, I don't want to say,

reluctantly, but, but going on
reality TV was probably not part

of the plan. Yes, prior to

that, we were in Tasmania. We're
basically a cover band. Had one

original EP out with a few songs
that was country rock, you know,

very influenced by the early
stuff and but we could not get

arrested outside of Tasmania,
like, just couldn't get a gig.

You know, no one. Why would they
want to get a band from Tasmania

when there's all other guys
doing this? Yeah, so we're

working with a manager at the
time. And she said, Well, maybe,

you know, have a go at
Australia's Got Talent. We don't

want to do that. We want to make
it on our own. But what changed

your mind?

Well, she said something really
interesting. She said she's

like, I can't get you booked for
any gigs, like outside of

Tassie, if you go on the TV
show, if you do a half good

audition, she said, like, that's
national TV. It's national

exposure. There'll be a good
clip of you playing live that'll

exist on the internet forever.
She's, like, all of a sudden, I

might be able to get, instead of
getting $1,000 a gig, I might be

able to get you five grand, and
I'll be able to get your

festival spots. And we went, Oh,
okay.

What

have we got to lose? And, you
know, the stars aligned a bit

because that year, they were
wanting to put a focus on

original music. And I think we
did, I think we did five or six

performances, and we only had to
do one cover and had to do one

cover song, which is pretty
amazing, really, yeah, they met.

They sort of really wanted us to
do bigger riches, save a horse,

right? Okay, so we did that, I
think, in our second and that

worked in our favor. That was
huge at the time, and not

thinking with Australia,
countries, not really mainstream

as it is here. So, you know, if
country gets a look in on

mainstream TV, there'll always
be a bit of a tone of, like,

well, let's wheel out the hay
bales. You know, it's not taken

seriously.

Let's get the boots scooting.
Yeah, you know. But there's

always a huge fan base of
country, yes, like, massive, you

know. But for some reason weird
thing doesn't it's a bit of the

poor cousin on mainstream, you
know, so, but when we played

save a horse, you know,
everyone's like, Oh yeah, okay,

yeah, yeah.

It's a rock song.

We're in this, yeah. Like,
people,

people would come to gigs and
like, Oh, you didn't write that.

Oh, wow. I was like, no, no, no.
No. And ironically, when we did

the performance, there's the
breakdown section, and it's like

having ourselves a big and rich
time, yeah. And I said, I want

to say wolf brothers time. And
the producers like, No, you

can't. They said, unless you get
written permission, you can't

say that. So we, like, made it
our mission. And this lady,

Sharon, who was like, helping us
and managing us. At the time,

she got in touch with big and
Rich's team said, wow, boys are

going, Australia's Got Talent.
They're going to do this. They

love the song. It'll be good for
the song. All they want to do is

say, having ourselves a wolf
brothers time, got the letter

back, went straight the
executive producers.

The other thing we did, too,
just, I don't know how this

evolved, but the ending we used
to do for save a horse was we

borrowed a little riff from
Pantera cowboys from hell.

Yeah. Literally did that and
then so that kind of had its own

thing. Because, you know, all
the metal guys sitting at home,

like, what was this guy actually
messaged me recently. Who

remembered it?

Were you guys Pantera fans?
Like, did you catch him on the

latest tour with the, I guess
the tribute cover act that

they've

done, well, personally, I
thought it was done very

tastefully. So yeah, yeah, they

picked good guys,

great guys. And, you know, there
was a huge kind of tribute to

diamond and Vinnie, weird story
of that. So they were a big band

for me growing up, and I never
got to see him in the original

lineup. So, of course, I went
along, so I'm in Brisbane. Loved

it. They had a few technical
issues. The PA kind of died

midway through the first song,
and, yeah, which was pretty

unfortunate, but then they got
it back, and it was pretty good.

I

mean, you got Benante and drums
playing that game, yeah, wild on

guitar, speaking of which, you
know, because they did tour with

Metallica. That was the first
leg of that tour. Yeah, in

Metallica keeps coming up on
this podcast. You were

mentioning covers before you
know what I was I thinking. It

hit me the other day in the
shower. I said, you know, if

anybody wanted this really kind
of, you know, hit it big and

become real mainstream, kind of
like, What? What? Luke combs.

Luke combs. He did the Tracy
Chapman song. Yeah, what? If

nothing else matters was redone.
Yeah, never thought about,

I actually have had that

thought through. Yeah, another
sign from the universe, although

I feel like the thing with
Metallica. Like, pretty hard to

do. If you're not Metallica,
like, you're gonna get a lot of,

a lot of hate, you know, like,
yeah, as a Metallica fan, like,

if, pretty much, if I heard
anyone else, I'd be like that,

yeah. So I think yeah, just to
get back on that, on the Pantera

thing. So went to see him the
next morning I'm flying home,

and, you know, I was feeling I
was on a real high, because this

is a band that was a pivotal
part of my guitar playing, oh

yeah, learning and, you know,
and I'm obviously still ripping

off dime bag licks and stuff
like that. So standing in line

aboard the plane, I looked down
at my feet, and there's two

guitar picks. And look a bit
closer, and it's they've got

dimes face and vinny's face on
these guitar picks. Right? Real.

I'm not looking around thinking
like, is someone playing a joke

on me or something, you know,
and just all you know, business

guys boarding the plane, so I
pick him up, I'm still looking

around. Like, anyway, like, I
put it on Facebook that night,

or whatever, and like, all the
Pantera guys are like, wow.

Like, because I thought maybe
you can just buy them. Like,

Surely no one would be so
careless if, like, they were the

pigs from stage, their pants
must have, must have pigs from

stage.

Did you guys ever think about
putting stuff like that into

your set when you're playing
like, you know, just sometimes a

little out of left field,
Pantera cover. What

we do? We do a couple of little
cover things in the show. We

have this thing we call the
ausmid So another big part of

our sort of sound, and where we
come from, is Australian pub

rock, right? So Ax listeners
will probably know is, like, in

excess. Yeah, there's a couple
of bands you probably know,

Midnight Oil too. But other
bands in Australia, like the

angels, they didn't make it as
big over here, Cold Chisel,

incredible, incredible band
culture, uh, Cold Chisel. Cold

Chisel. Yeah, sorry, it's my
Australian accent. Great. There

was such a wonderful Australian
pub scene in the 80s, but this

just the radiator, so so much
the vinyl, so much good music

came out of Yeah. That is such a
big part of Australian culture

scene. Like, if the if you're
doing cover gigs and pub shows.

You're playing a lot of that
stuff, really. So we they're all

anthemic stuff. So we do, like,
it's like, about eight minutes

long, and we've put, like, six,
seven of them together in one

sort of eight minute song. And
it is, like, the most fun to

play live. Like, if you don't
feel proud to be Australian

after that. I don't know what's
going on. So, so yeah, we do a

little bits and pieces like
that. We jam bits and pieces at

sound check. But, I mean, we got
six albums, yeah, and

predominantly, like,
predominantly, people want to

hear us,

but it's cool to kind of like,
you make that connection, and

it's so much more because a lot
of metal guys, a lot of hard

rock guys like me that grew up
with that music now, country is

that pill? Yeah?

I think we, the way we do it is
not like we're not, we're not

playing like a Pantera roof, but
right, you know, we'll,

we'll a little, we're

doing a solo that'll be a
complete, yeah, Dimebag ripoff,

yeah?

So that's fun. Well. Me

ask you this, because I heard
you guys were, you know, before

you're gonna perform a song
here, hopefully, when the guy

finishes weed whacking,

you got

to make sure the lawn looks
good. The you guys played a

little bit before we went live,
so to speak. And I'm like, Oh my

gosh, you can't, you can't tell
you from Australia, you know,

you have you got, you got the
rubber band thing going on?

That's, can you speak like that?
No, like, if you had to, can you

sound American? Speak

American? Can you speak
American? No, really, great

question.

I can, kind of like, do it. I
have a character that I go like,

you know, do you guys want me
sodas.

Because here's the thing, it's
like, I've tried to do like

British. I do a lot of voiceover
for British is awful for me, and

so is I mean, my Australian is
not very good. I sound like

freaking ring. But

those Australian actors that
call the water, they come over

and you cannot

have so much American TV. And
you know, so we've heard Chris

Hemsworth.

Chris Hemsworth in Red Dawn,
yeah, you can tell Yeah. Mike,

okay, you're trying too hard.
Yeah, sure.

The one I used to do was a lady
when we played one of the shows

over here, we did a cover of
dust on the bottle. She said,

can you say my name? Oh, yeah,
what's your name? Darlene. Oh,

good on you. Darlene, oh, my
God,

when you guys played dust on the
bottom, when

you guys play Creole Williams,

play Creole circuit

over here. Yeah, and we toured
all through the Midwest doing a

bunch of like we did some really
cool gigs. I'm for Dustin Lynch.

Young band got to play, I think
it's country concert in Ohio,

which is like 40,000 people.
Yeah, got to do some really cool

festivals. And then we'd do one
of those, and then the next

night, we'd go and play next to
a corn dog stand, yeah, in the

middle of nowhere. So, like we
we saw a lot of this country, in

particular the Midwest,

and loved it absolutely

so much by bus. But when you're
in a back home and you're

touring in Australia, it's
impossible. Yeah,

bus touring is not really a
thing. There's been guys that

have tried to do it, but I think
maybe the fuel costs, the road

infrastructure, it just doesn't
end up well.

If you break down in the middle
of nowhere, you're attacked by a

legion of muscular kangaroos.
That's a risk.

Yeah, basketball

sized spiders. The

Go is basically we fly into a
major city, rent a van, maybe a

trailer, a couple of vans, and
go from there, do a circuit,

come back out, fly out of that.
Now,

can you trust David as a driver,
or is he the typical drummer

that do not let the drum dress
drive? That's

pretty good. Why

do you not let the drummer?
Well,

just we're dreamers, and we just
start daydreaming and easily,

and that's the I would have to
drive. I'm a driver control

thing.

Brody's very solid driver.
Brody, you

feel safe with Brod at the
wheel? Yeah,

I'm good for like, half an hour.
Then I'm like, are we gonna open

the show?

Go ask her this emails and that
then someone else has to drive.

So, funny enough, he has to do a
lot of emails when we pack up at

the end of the night. Do

you guys detect like, when they
hit the rumble strips of the

road and, like, yes, hit it
like, three times in the last

five minutes. You gotta, we
gotta change

our roads are just not like what
it is here. Like you can get on

the interstate here and drive to
another city and like, it's just

not like that in Australia, and
especially playing in country.

Like we go really regional.
We'll go to a town that's like,

four people are there, you know,
and we go play the races or the

fair or the show or whatever it
is. So we're very lucky in that

regard, that we get to go to
these places, and often that

those gigs for those places are
the event of the year, yeah. So,

like, we get to see some really
cool, really cool things. But,

you might be driving on a road
that's like two lanes, no lions,

doing that for 200 days. So we
have a because Tazzy is an

island, so we have all our gear.
And Tazzy, we also have a bunch

of gear in Sydney, so we can,
you know, if we fly to Sydney,

we can put stuff in vans and
trucks and take it out from

there. So, yes, it's what's just
what we know like, it's just how

we know how to

what are some and I know Jim
would probably like to hear

this, but straight from the
horse's mouth, what are some

common misconceptions about
Australian life and culture?

I think that the all the animals
you know going to kill you or

their. Three every turn. You
know, it's pretty dangerous

animals, obviously,

koala bears,

you guys have equally as
dangerous animals, for sure. You

know, the brown

recluse. You have to watch out
for that in your Airbnb, yeah,

like the stuff, like this
spiders and there's snakes and

stuff. But it's not like you're
not going down to, like the

local Kroger there, you know,
like, you

gotta be out. It's not Crocodile
Dundee.

And there is, there is areas
where there's crocodiles and

stuff. Like, we recently went up
to Darwin, which is up the top

of top end of Australia, and
there's not gonna

go swim in there. You

don't go on the beach. Those are
great weights, great whites

across crocodiles will take you
on the beach. But you know, you

know that there's signs, it's
like, like, lethal

jellyfish. That's the thing is,

maybe there is a bit of

where we are in Tassie, you can
go the beaches, and it's like,

you're not going to have that.
And if there is, I mean, you

touch woods, occasional shark.

The other thing was, to some
people said to me the other

night, so like in covid, like
the government was shooting

people, weren't they? Yeah, that
didn't happen. Look, they locked

down like Melbourne, and
particularly in Victoria was, I

think it was the most locked
down place in the world. And,

you know, completely over the
top and sucked. But they weren't

killing people. They weren't
shooting people

with the lockdown. People could
go grocery shopping, or they

had, there

was a bunch of different rules.
Like, you could go grocery

shopping or to get food and
think, and then a lot of the

rules contradicted, you know,
like we could talk about, talk

about for hours, which are not
that over the moon. I hate

talking about it, so that wasn't
great. And the other

misconception, coming from
Tazzy, coming from Tazzy, people

always, like, ask us about the
Tasmanian devil, yeah, like the

Tasmanian

it's a real thing. So, like, a
it's kind

of like a big cat. It's probably
like a

honey badger. Yeah, that'd be

a big one. It'll be a big one.
Yeah, they have a, like, a

terrifying roar, yeah. So
they're basically a scavenger

animal, you know. But I guess if
you heard, if you were, like an

early settler, and you were, you
know, set up a camp in the

wilderness, and you're sitting
there and you heard this thing

roaring, you'd be absolutely Oh,

my God, terrifying. Yeah. So,
like, we got a friend,

they don't like spin in a
tornado. Slight embellishment,

hunting kangaroos really common
at home. Like it would be deer

here, and I've got a friend who
hunts kangaroo. Discover

population control. Yeah,
there's like 40, 50 million

kangaroos. 40, 40 million.
There's like four kangaroos to

every one person everywhere. So
they're constantly

flexing. Yeah, they're just
jacked.

So where we where we live? Main
one who's gonna farm up the

road, he hunts a lot of
kangaroo. And you know, the bits

he doesn't use, he will just
throw out to and leave for the

devils. And, like he said, you
can listen to the middle of

night and they come

in and it's like, it's like,
terrifying, absolutely,

I've seen

nothing. They'll eat every bit
you don't see a lot of them. I

reckon I've only probably seen
on our farm. I've seen two, seen

two in our farm, in our life. So
what's

the misperceptions you heard
about America

before? Something pretty, pretty
spot on this perception. Like,

we've spent a lot of time in
this country. So, like, we I

love it over here. I love like,
the people have been so good. I

mean, geez,

have you been to New York? I

mean, haven't been to New York?
Only been to LA for like, a day.

You may change your mind

more into the vibe of over here,
down here, than LA, yes, yeah,

for us, but going

through the Midwest, like,
playing all those places, like,

all of those people were like,
salt of the earth, the earth.

Like, if we could have said, can
we have your car so we can drive

up, they'd be like, yeah, oh,
yeah. Did

you ever get to Miami or South
Florida? No, no.

I never did that. Lots, a lot to

explore still. Yeah.

I mean, we sort of based here.
We wrote and record music, and

then we jump in our Chevy
Trailblazer with our trailer and

head off to Indiana, Ohio,
Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah, Pudge

cargo, you weren't that fond of
Chicago. Wasn't

a massive fan of Chicago? No, it
wasn't mine. Pretty good. Wasn't

my scene. The big cities are not
found a very quiet, frightening

misconception I had, coming from
Tasmania, it can be quite cold,

like, well, I thought, yeah,
I'll be right. When we're in

Chicago, we had like, half a day
off, and I thought, well, I'm

probably, I don't know if I'm
going to get back here, so I'm I

put a jacket on, I said I'm
going to go for a little walk.

And I got outside the hotel, and
I was like, when. I could not

breathe. The

coldest I've been to this day
was in Wisconsin. Oh gosh,

walking from the car to the
hotel room a Tundra. Oh, it was

like, it would have died if it
had, like, the middle of

winters.

I was like, minus

you guys get the seasons in
Australia, or is this mostly

just warm, yeah,

I guess I was gonna say they're
less extreme, but that's that's

not true, because, I mean, we
have cyclones, we have droughts,

bushfires and everything like
that, but that's just different.

Like, I mean, around here, you
know, as we were coming in

before, like, there's so much
more timber, or lumber, as you

guys call it, yeah, houses,
because the trees grow, like,

everything so fast, like,
everything's so green. It's

Miller summer and, like, it's
green as, like, middle of

summer, typically, in a lot of
Australian places, is dry,

dusty, yeah, you know. But,
like, harsh, but where

we are in Tassie in winter, it's
more probably, like New Zealand,

ish, yeah, we might get one snow
at our farm during temperature,

mild, temperate, mild, you know.
But then you go right up north,

and it's really quite tropical,
yeah, you know, they'll have a

wet season and a dry season, you
know. And there's, like, six

months where it's just going to
be, like, it's

so funny to think about, like,
you know, the earth is a globe,

you know, flat.

It's not okay. You guys want

to talk about that,

not to talk about

that? It's just just so
exciting, man, you came. You

made dreams come true. You're
popular. Where else have you

guys done any like, Have you hit
Europe or South Africa?

So like I spoke to you a little
bit about our journey, like our

journey, you know, becoming this
is the mecca for what we do come

from music. So we spent many
years coming here, living here,

doing all that stuff. Just
before covid, we signed with

broken bow. We had the meetings
with like John and Lynette, and

they're like, you know, we put
up a million dollars for radio

single. We believe in you guys.
We believe in you as writers.

Terrifying like it was
terrifying. Oh my god. They're

like, you know, we want to do
this, you know. And they are

really global company, so
they're like, We want you to

sign with BMG Australia. We're
going to do this. We're going to

bring you over on tours. We're
going to do the same in

Australia, bring people over. So
we're thinking like, oh my god,

we're gonna be out the road with
you. Oh my god, we're gonna be

with our dean. And would have
been amazing. And we signed that

a month before covid. So we were
about to sign an international

deal. We're about to go to
Canada and do like 35 shows. We

admit the labels and stuff
there. We're about to set up

sort of a base there. Have a
base here, have a base at home,

and start sort of taking over
the world, and then covid hit,

and it just all, it just, it
just didn't like, it just didn't

happen. And, I mean, that's so
it's no one's fault. Like, I saw

John lobar the other night, and
he was, I come up, give me a

cut. Always. I love you boys.
He's still family to us, and he

said, just is what it is like.
You

have to, kind of like, rely on
the fact that everything happens

for a reason, definitely,

you know. And it actually hasn't
been. We haven't been upset

about it at all, like, some
fantastic things happen during

those years. We couldn't go
anywhere with covid. Tom's now

got two amazing kids. Yeah,

that's what you were up to.

Yeah, start your touring
musicians. Stay at home for a

little while. You have two kids.
So

I bought my own farm in the
north of Tassie, and then kind

of like, well, I don't think we
want to really come back over

here and start from zero again.
And yeah, and do it, we really

want to solidify in Australia
and be one of those bands that's

always going to be part of the
landscape, if you want to, if

you're going to go see live
music this year, we want, we

were going to be one of the
guys, Yeah, beautiful.

And actually, it's been a little
bit, it's almost been a little

bit liberating in that regard,
because it's sort of like, well,

you know, we're we're very proud
Australians. Yes, love our

country. Love the people in our
country. It's like, well, let's

just be here, and let's write
songs that are really for

Australian people. Like, if
we've got a new single coming

out in July, and it's way more
Australian than maybe some of

this stuff we've done before.
Some people that pub rock

influence in it so

well. And the other good thing
is, I think the Australian

country radio landscape isn't as
everything's not chasing exactly

what's the hot thing right now,
there's room for a bunch of

different that's great sub sub
genres, whatever everyone's

version of country is. That's
all on the on the chart, and all

on the station, you know, so and
accepted by the fans. Really,

yeah,

really accepted by the fan.
There's

nothing wrong with owning the
owning. Love

that about it. I love that about
it. And actually, it spun me out

a little bit to be back over
here, like, as Tom said, the

thing we've we're about to put
out, is very us, but it sounds

nothing like what's the hot. 20
on American nothing.

It's interesting. Yeah,
interesting because I think

there's, there's definitely a
shift in culture happening,

yeah, certainly right now. And
I'll give you guys an edge if

you want to be the next hot
thing or start writing the next

hot trend of country songs, pay
attention to what they wrote in

the 40s and 50s. Tonality wise,
lyric wise,

because Jim is a theory. Yes,
Angel

pendulum books right over there.
Yeah. Well,

okay, all right, explain it
really quick. Okay,

so basically, every 80 or every
40 years, we go through cultural

shifts. Right now, we just
finished a zenith of what we

call a we where we're kind of
like a every time the pendulum

comes to a zenith, it's when we
take it a good thing too far.

Right now we just went through
the darkest part of the 80 year

swing. So we're on the downswing
from a we going back to a

tipping point, which is going to
in the next 40 years, is going

to culminate to a me. Last time
it happened was 1983 and the

tipping point into the last me
was started in 1963 a lot of

people think of the 60s, right?
Yes. Think 60s were really 1963

to 1969 Yeah, right. So if you
think about all the things that

happen, a lot of people, there's
different cultural attitudes

that go along with these
cultural swings. So very

captivating. So

what's the versus me? So I would
think that me would be bad.

No, no, no, none of them are
good or bad.

It's typically like we are, you
know, it's about us, and me is

like, I don't care what it's,

I'm gonna pull it up here. So,
man,

didn't expect

it's really intriguing. So
Upswing we values where we the

upswing from Oh, three to 23 is
what we just went through,

responsibility, humility,
thoughtfulness, conformity,

authenticity, which has been a
big word, yep, and transparency.

So just be real with me. Let's
all collectively come together.

So when we take something too
far, which is what we've just

been through. Yes, we literally
lived through 1943 all over

again in the last year. So now
we're coming back the down the

other side. That's true. All
those values become duty,

obligation, sacrifice,
regimentation, self,

righteousness and
oppressiveness.

You have the world through that.

It's crazy, man.

It's really, really, no, I'm
gonna be, I'm gonna be gone

search this and listen to this
pendulum.

I'll show you the book, the
author on the podcast years ago,

years,

years. That was one of the Zooms
that we did. Yeah, Michael drew

Friday is gonna love this. Yep,

I love that. But, I mean, that's
right now, is when the voices in

the wilderness start coming out.
So the people that are going to

start pulling that pendulum,

well, like we will do this,
we're Tasmanians.

Yeah. You know, if you start
writing songs that resonate with

how people are going to start
thinking,

Well, I'll tell you what we have
done, and it's been lovely, and

it's been liberating. This trip
is we've just sort of gone

because we're not coming over
here to be here and try and get

a radio hit here. We're just
like, we're just going to write

things we just really enjoy and
like even the song we wrote with

you, one of the lyrics is from
fnq to all the way down south.

Now what we're saying,
Australians understand we're

saying fnq is far north
Queensland, from Far North

Queensland all the way down to
south to Tassie So, and when

we've thrown those out in the
writing rooms, guys like, you're

like, is that? Like, no, no,
that's that's

us, that's us.

It feels great. Like, I feel
Yeah, really, really, the

pressure's

off. So, and you've proven
yourself, and you could just

exist in your own skin. And
there's something very

comfortable and incredible about
being the big fish where you

are. Yeah,

look, it's not even so much
that, like I it's few things got

cemented for me this trip. You
know, just artists who are just

fully themselves, exploding,
like saw Cody Johnson at CMA

fest, and that guy is him.
There's no, you know, he started

off with an intro tape with all
these Texas songs. I thought,

Man, this is this guy's cool
came out. He had like, a knife

on his belt. This guy doesn't
care what anyone thinks. And

that was the loudest people were
in that stadium all night, like

they just, I think people are
seeing that. I think that's one

of the positives with the
internet and the way we are

connected now. I think people
see it. I think people are

seeing a lot more. I think we're
seeing a lot more crap, and that

we probably shouldn't right, but
when something like that, stuff

like that, can cut through,
because I don't know, like, he

probably wouldn't have been able
to cut through in the industry,

in the way the industry and the
record industry is here 10 years

ready, or still a

main driver of everything? I'm
so unplugged from. It's been 20

seems to be, I mean, it seems to
be, but I've, I've noticed this

trip. I don't think a lot of the
writers have drawn as much for

that, because you're seeing
right explode. And how else can

I get exposure? Yeah, well, if
something blows up on tick tock

and you. YouTube in Tiktok. Look
at

what's his name, the guy who
blew up, gosh, old man brain

here the men from up north. He
was Oliver,

yeah, Oliver, Anthony, right?
Well, that's a great example.

There's a guy like, singing a
song that he 100% believes,

right? That's pendulum.

That's a boy. I'm saying he's a
voice in the world,

yeah? Like, I mean, like, Who
would have ever thought that? So

it's like, for me, I'm just
going back to everything we do

now. It's like, I'm gonna really
rely on my gut instincts, yeah?

And if it doesn't feel right
there, obviously, we're a group,

so, you know. But I'm always
gonna say, hey, just, you know,

gut check. This doesn't feel
great. Let's talk about it,

because we've definitely done
things like in the past, where

labels have gone, this is, this
is the smack. This is, this is

going to take us to the world.
And we've kind of gone, no,

okay, okay, we'll go with it.
But yeah, it's not, it's not

having

Cody Johnson. Mean, yeah, I mean
he's just doing he wants to do.

He's he is authentic. He's a
super nice guy. I mean, some,

some stylists probably got a
hold of him. He was like, Hey,

you're gonna put you in these
black skinny jeans? He's like,

No, I got the wranglers with the
crease down the middle and giant

belt buckle. Yeah, he's just
doing his thing, uh,

loving it. Yes, I

would be a publicist. Worst
nightmare. I just want to wear,

you know, cargo pants, yeah,
with a hammer holder. Well,

you know, and that's, that's
definitely a thing. That's the

thing I've felt in this
industry, like I'm a bigger guy,

and I've had people to tell me
to lose weight and do this, and

sees my language, I don't

give a fuck, right?

And if you don't like me, fuck
off.

Okay, but here's the thing, is
that you're you also have the

you loom large. So you're a very
tall person. You have a presence

when you walk in a room. And I
love the fact that you're

bringing back

the hair he jumbles as a must
the muscle of the bag,

but you're bringing back the
hairy chest, buddy for all us

guys, I

just, I never I just can't. You
can't shave your

chest. You

don't care you guys what I

am gonna hide it or try and
change it. Or do you even

wearing

the necklace that draws the
attention to

it? I wear this, I got this bit
made, but our pop was in the

Navy. Yeah, really good, man. I
don't really have tatters, so

I've got that mine. You
definitely

have the look, though, when you
walk into a room that people go,

okay, who's that guy?

I know that. Thank you. Lot
worse said

about you walked in and I was
waiting on rich before you got

here, and it's like, Hey, I

feel short. All of a sudden. He
goes, he goes, he goes. You

know, when you walk into a room
as short as you are, people

still probably think of the hair
or something like, Who is that

guy that I never said that you
were short, but, but, no, I

added that but, but he was like,
you really got to stop driving

that Honda. So this guy
convinces me to buy an expensive

car. It was nice, and now I'm
ruined, because once you take an

expensive car, it is like when
the door closes, German cars,

like, Oh, my

engineering, incredible. You
hear the German culture in that.

It's like nine. I thought

you're going to stay in there.
Now,

yesterday was from Munich. It
was like, great. It was like, it

was really, really fun. So I got
to hear all about, you know, the

Munich music scene, the German
music scene, everything. Listen,

I'm gonna lighten the mood just
a second. Remember when we were

at Calypso cafe and those two
people came in. Eric talked to

one, and there was this lady,
and I kept and it's so unlike

me, I wanted to be like, Oh, how
are you how are you doing? I

couldn't remember who she was.
It was my old eye doctor. You

see somebody out of context? I
never have seen her anywhere

other than wearing a white lab
coat. Yeah, staring into my

pupils. That's

totally a thing you can you got
to have the surroundings on.

Yeah? Hey, we're gonna play

a song, but hey, really quickly,
the Fast Five, favorite the fast

it's never fast. But favorite
five, favorite color,

I'm orange. Wow, okay, yeah,

that's weird.

We got just black. Man, black.
TSH, yeah, okay, I

would never wear orange. But
favorite drink,

favorite drink

at home, we have a beer called
cascade Largo, which we call

cascode blue. And that's,
that's, is

a strong high octane, or is it
normal? It's

a little bit higher than normal,
but it's, you need to bring it

back here. We'll have you.
Government won't let us. Oh,

really, I

tried to bring some over some
friends. So talk to you really,

government. Let's sort that out.
Interesting. Well, I

live in the north, so I have to
say Bogues red, which is their

rival. Oh, okay, so that's a
rivalry that goes back to the

two colonial sediments of
Tasmania. So wow, yeah, one day

there's Civil War, and I'll
leave the army to the north and

I'll be in the South. I love.

Okay, so what about, like, your
favorite type of food or

favorite dish? Oh,

man, we have indulged over here,
over here, like we love Cracker

Barrel. Oh, really, I heard
they're closing. No, well, I'm

gonna buy the franchise,
whatever. But we just love, we

love the sauce. So the
breakfast. Love the breakfast.

Love the biscuits. Love they

call this shit on the shingle,
which is the biscuits and gravy.

Yeah, yeah, it's a US meal.
Great

thing. I've

really enjoyed the Mexican over
here, sure, so we don't really

have at that in Australia,

but what's the spot do you guys
go to here?

This time with Tony, and I've
enjoyed agaves that's been

that's been delicious.

Briley, okay,

right by the dealership,
Mercedes, dealership, right.

Yeah, tonight. But all I know is
when I walked out on voluntary,

the found myself saying that was
the best food I've had. Very

nice

agave. So we're gonna go there.
We'll go there and write bread.

And now this is people find it
very, very difficult, but, and

this could be based on just
because you love the artist, you

love the production, or you love
the melody, the the story. What

is a song that this thing comes
on in the you're in your Jeep in

the outback, and you just crank
that thing up, man,

I know mine. I'm a Beatles
fanatic, and I think abbroids

the greatest album ever made, in
particular, golden slumbers

carry that weight. The end that
is, in my opinion, some of the

greatest pieces piece of music
ever made. I want that play to

my funeral, just putting that
out there, hopefully too many,

many years away. Yes, why? You
know why the golden slumbers

starts once there was a way to
get back home, would once there

was a way to get back home. It's
just gives me, I just, I don't

know. I just connect with it on
a well, that's on another.

That's the power of music. It
is.

It's power music, amazing.

I gotta think about my funeral
song. What's it gonna be? It

changes weekly for me. Yeah. So
you know this at this moment,

I'm just, I've got a bit of a
thing with about Bon Jovi in

these arms, some reason, just
right, they make so many

production choices that didn't
need to be there, but God, I'm

glad they're there's

like a B side, right? I think it
was

great if hits guys, hits kind of
thing. And they did a couple

extra now, did

you guys go to Premiere to see
the band play?

You guys had the the opportunity
to

meet as a quick because Nick
hates it. But we've recently

signed back to ABC music in
Australia, and our label head

NAT is was over here for CMA
fest. She's just a gem. She's

our biggest supporter. She's so
great. And we bumped into her

and we're having a drink, and
she said, I'm going to a

listening party at Ocean away
tomorrow to listen to the new

Bon Jovi app. Now we're all out
at the time, and if you haven't

picked up on this podcast, I'm
probably a bit more of an

extrovert than Nick. So I was a
little bit drunk, and was like,

I'll come volunteering. And
she's like, Well, no, it's like,

record heads. And she goes,
Well, I'll ask. I'll ask. You

know, she texted the guy was
organized. He said, Yeah, you

can bring a plus one. And that
was me. And these, look, these

guys got to go see Shenandoah.
So they were, I knew that was

that's Nick's vibe anyway. Got
to listen the whole album band

came out. Got to ask him a
question, which was really cool,

because ironically, before this
trip, I'd watch the documentary

about Bon Jovi, and I thought,
my God, these guys, obviously

they're the best, but I thought
they'd write the best third

person bangers. So like
examples, living on a prayer.

Tommy used to work on the docs,
and Gina works at diner all day.

Someday I'll be Saturday night.
You know, Hey, my name is Jim.

Where did I go wrong? My life's
a bargain basement. All the good

shits gone these great
characters, but yet the songs

are like anthems that are sung
in stadiums. And I was like,

how? So I thought, I said, Look,
I'm in a room with Bon Jovi.

This is one of my notes. I'm an
artist. I get this is what I

wanted to do on the songwriting
trip. Now I get to ask Bon Jovi

about it. What did he said he
was really cool. First off, he

sort of said, well, some of it
is experience. He said, I just

know what's going to work with
the crowd, what they're going to

sing. He then said, we don't
always get that right. He I

can't remember the name of the
song, but he referred to a song

off the last couple of albums.
He goes, I thought when we

recorded that, he said, I
thought that was going to be the

next, it's my life. I thought it
was going to be the next, living

on a prayer and he said, the
first time we got on stage and

started playing it, it was like,
the crowd were like, he's like,

God clap. He's like, I got it.
You gotta get it wrong. And then

at that point, Tico Torres
stepped up. I mean, I fucking

love the song. And then anyway,
he just. Said, look, it's, it

has to be come from the heart.
It has to be real. It has to be

true. He said, those characters
exactly don't have to be exactly

real people, but they those
people exist. You know, Tommy

might, I don't think the docs,
but there's definitely a guy

working on the docks, yeah, who
heard that and went shit, that's

me, but

it could be, you know, Tom, you
know, not Tommy and Gina, but it

could be Jeff and Jennifer.
Exactly, they're relating to

that song as well. I know what
it's like to work, you know,

third shift, and he's out there
busting his butt as an

electrician. Exactly, it was, it
was

great, and it was something I
wanted to do this trip. And I

think we got one, we got one,
we've got one, and it was

something want to do on this
trip, because when you think of

country, it's often like, about
the girl, or it's about my home

or my my my feelings this Friday
night, it's all very first

person, yeah, there's not much.
Third Person, interesting. Maybe

that's the shift. Yeah,

I met Gina. She works on the
issue. She works on the inner

workings of the JA Bon Jovi
organization. I said, now, is

that you? And she goes, I'll
never tell, but

it could have been, yeah, it
could have been. So that was a

very, very special moment. And I
think that genuinely enjoyed the

question. When I went up and got
a photo, shook John's hand, he

was like, yeah, good good luck,
mate. I was like, Oh, that's

sweet. Thanks. John Bonjour,
seems

like a nice guy and a very, very
brave documentary, to be sure.

Oh gosh, the

vulnerability of I

feel so sorry for him, because
watching that documentary, it

submitted to me. I thought,
these are some of the best. This

is one of the best bands, yeah,
without a doubt, best

songwriters and reinventing
themselves, yeah, and the fact

that those guys all came from
New Jersey, and they're like,

ticos, I think one of the best
drummers in the world, like

talking about power, he

kind of freaked me out, because
we actually saw them back in

Vegas, where they lived there,
yeah. And if you get in front of

my wife, we mentioned Jon, Bon
Jovi, she'll point to her arm,

because that's where he sweat on
her. They did like a side stage

thing. They would they would
platoon people up, and you've

got to watch the band rock out.
And it was kind of a cool thing.

You know, my radio abilities got
me up there, but whatever. And

when I was up there, I was
standing behind my wife, and,

you know, Richie came over, John
came over, but Tico was just

staring like holes through the
back. I don't

like I'm I'm going

he may have been jonesing for a
cigar. Every shot in that

documentary, you got cigar or a
cigarette.

I know I thought the same. Oh,
my God,

he's walking through the airport
smoking a cigar. Crazy. Last

question. Favorite film. It
comes on, you're gonna put your

life on hold. I am finishing
watching this.

I'd say,

I would say Goodfellas, a

great

movie. I'm gonna give you a
very, very deep Australian cut.

And it's a movie called Sunday,
too far away, and it's like a

70s it's a movie about a sheep
shearer. So there's some

homework for you.

Wow. So this is just culturally.
This is like your jaws close

encounters. It's like popular

now it's more. Now just, just
watch it. It's

a bit of a cult, yeah thing, but
there's some great early

Australia, yeah, it's good. It's
nice, early, strong characters

in it that you just be like,

You guys have watched it be
like, I've never

seen me like, What? Yeah, it's
just another planet. Yeah, it's

good.

Okay, we got, we have to
remember that. And we're gonna

do a song right now. But hey,
let's we're gonna end with the

song. But you guys have the was
it Wolf The wolf brothers.com,

Wolf brothers.com

you can do the Instagram, the
Facebook,

doing all the stuff. Everyone.
Check out the Spotify. Six

records, nine. Golden guitar
awards, 19, number one

Australian country songs.
Congratulations, guys.

Can I just say again how much I
know you guys and thank you for

everything you've done. Thank
you guys.

You deserve everything you get,
mate you

thank you so much for my gift.

I had some. Yeah, I thought we
should

get some. Gentlemen jack, and
you guys are just assuming that

gentlemen, I

will take it lemonade. Might be
a little early, but, you know,

we're Australian, so

we'll pop this after.

But this is, this is a seminal
track for you guys. And if you

got any drummers out there, I am
looking at a chart, because I

care this.

So this basically opens pretty
much every show, yeah, every

show we open this, we almost

so rich Eric and JT, that's
right, yeah. Okay, thanks boy.

Thanks, boys.

It's rude down your window.

Night moves on the radio,
breakfast

in a hometown, All Oh,

take it

easy. Sunrise, by the 1000s
high.

Moonlight 1000 times kind of
night.

It's a drive through the desert.

Stars go

on forever.

It's beautiful. Get away saying
everything you want to say,

take it

easy,

slow, ride everything.
Everything

is alright. Bye.

Sick, Everything,

almost Oh.

Nice guys. So far, that is it.
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You know something, when I when

he's not here, I miss him. He
does so much with the file

management and the editing and
just making all the ugly stuff

behind the scenes look sexy.
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